Browns continue to keep the decision on their No. 1 pick a secret, but there is a mounting belief from HCs and GMs around the league that Cleveland will take Baker Mayfield.
with the recent Allen news...does this make the #2 pick so valuable with Darnold still on the board @ #2?
But there are high risk picks and low risk picks...
To me there are no low risk picks of the qbs
You have to measure the context of the QB flaws being low hanging fruit for the current clickbait media environment and social media echo chamber. These QBs are no more flawed than any other prospects in the draft; they're just more likely to have stories written about them that generate clicks.
You know what's really high risk? Not having a QB.
You know what else is extremely high risk? Missing on this pick..
Whoever the giants pick they better hit on it...
And just for the record I wont ne mad if they take a qb, as long as he was the guy they wanted...
And the agent is telling all the reporters. Its Baker
That's normally what happens, you want to build the relationship with the pick at 1 by removing some of the uncertainty for them. Goff said his agent basically heard a week before the draft that he was going 1.
Same here. Screw these trade down scenarios - I doubt the Giants were in on Mayfield, so the Browns are essentially handing you the top pick of your draft.
I fully expect the Giants to trade down. Especially if word is really leaking early in the day and the Giants have all day to work the phones. They can get a massive haul for Darnold at 2.
Unless, of course, the Giants are in love with him or another player at that spot.
believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.
I see it differently; I think a trade down makes sense in a draft where I don't think there's a big difference (if there is at all) between the supposed blue chips and the next level.
The "win now" move, I think, is to draft Barkley.
If this is true & NYG passes on Darnold and Rosen..
I may become a Jets fan if he takes Barkley over Rosen or Darnold, and the Jets takes one of those guys, especially Rosen. I just can't get my head around taking Barkley at #2 with these QBs available, given the state of the NY Giants right now. They're not one RB away from a Super Bowl team, they're just not. Way too many holes on this team. Unless the Giants are absolutely terrible in two or three years, they will not have another chance to draft a franchise QB. Even a bad team with no franchise QB can be just good enough to be out of QB-drafting range.
And Barkley isn't Leonard Fournette or Ezekiel Elliot. He's not going to grind out 4 yards a clip, wear the opposing defense down in the second half -- that's not his game. His upside is a better Christian McCaffrey. Not a bad player by any means, but I don't think you can rely on him to run the clock down when you're up 7 with 11 minutes left in the game.
RE: If this is true & NYG passes on Darnold and Rosen..
I find it very interesting that JonC hasn't heard a peep about any of the QB's in the draft. DG has openly gushed about Barkley on numerous occasions. If Barkley is the guy why risk losing him by showing your love for him?
What do we have in Webb is the elephant in the room
It's a pretty tiny Elephant IMO. Raanan posted earlier today that 2 of 11 QBs from the 3rd Round in the previous 10 years are real starters. That's pretty tough odds. On top of that, can you really put a whole lot of faith on the previous regime's ability to draft talent? If Webb turns out to be anything that's a bonus but at this point it's not worth altering any draft decisions.
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Everyone I am talking to in the NFL hear the Browns will take Mayfield but all of them cannot believe it's true--same with me
believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.
I see it differently; I think a trade down makes sense in a draft where I don't think there's a big difference (if there is at all) between the supposed blue chips and the next level.
The "win now" move, I think, is to draft Barkley.
Agree. The "trade down" scenario signals a bigger rebuild to me. More players to fill more holes. Barkley is the win now selection. Plug him right in.
I may become a Jets fan if he takes Barkley over Rosen or Darnold, and the Jets takes one of those guys, especially Rosen. I just can't get my head around taking Barkley at #2 with these QBs available, given the state of the NY Giants right now. They're not one RB away from a Super Bowl team, they're just not. Way too many holes on this team. Unless the Giants are absolutely terrible in two or three years, they will not have another chance to draft a franchise QB. Even a bad team with no franchise QB can be just good enough to be out of QB-drafting range.
And Barkley isn't Leonard Fournette or Ezekiel Elliot. He's not going to grind out 4 yards a clip, wear the opposing defense down in the second half -- that's not his game. His upside is a better Christian McCaffrey. Not a bad player by any means, but I don't think you can rely on him to run the clock down when you're up 7 with 11 minutes left in the game.
Barkley is a much better runner than McCaffrey. CMac is like Duke Johnson - more of a receiver than a RB.
I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
There is absolutely a franchise QB in this draft, probably more than one. If you don't trust Gettleman and company to identify that (or those) prospect(s), that's on them, not the draft class. But at least one and probably 2-3 of this class will emerge as franchise QBs.
And you know this for certain how? There are no surefire franchise QBs in this draft...
You can't guarantee anything. You can't guarantee Barkley won't tear an ACL in his first pre-season game like Ki-Jana Carter sadly did. I mean, what about the North Caroline State DE Kentavius Street who tore his ACL just working out for the Giants? You also can't guarantee that he'll be anything more than Christian McCaffrey or Reggie Bush. Not bad, but not amazing.
One thing you can say for sure is that Josh Rosen has proven he can play the position of QB the way an NFL QB is supposed to. That's why he's my choice. A college QB who has proven he can play an NFL caliber and style game in the most important position in sports. You can't guarantee he won't get a bad concussion or tear something in his shoulder and have to retire, either. Weighing the risks though, the benefit of hitting on a franchise QB is just so much higher than the benefit of hitting on even an Hall of Fame RB. Darnold is a bit riskier, but still totally worth the risk.
An ex GM who really knows his stuff was just gushing over Darnold and said he is far and away the best quarterback from this group and can't believe that the Browns aren't picking him.
If the Giants select Barkley they must think that he's on the level of a OJ Simpson,Gale Sayers,Barry Sanders,etc. BTW,those great runners never won anything.
I'm in the QB or trade down crowd, advocating grabbing a future 1 from Buffalo if they're in the mix. Hardly "win now". IMO, it's about maximizing value. To use a poker analogy, we're sitting on a full house at #2 and they don't come around often. I'm looking to double my money when I have a monster hand, not just win the hand. And I just don't see how a player that isn't a QB offering that kind of return. I love Barkley and I love Chubb, I just see more upside in moving out of the pick and collecting more value. You can still get your guy too, you're just taking on a little more risk but for what can be a huge return.
I may become a Jets fan if he takes Barkley over Rosen or Darnold, and the Jets takes one of those guys, especially Rosen. I just can't get my head around taking Barkley at #2 with these QBs available, given the state of the NY Giants right now. They're not one RB away from a Super Bowl team, they're just not. Way too many holes on this team. Unless the Giants are absolutely terrible in two or three years, they will not have another chance to draft a franchise QB. Even a bad team with no franchise QB can be just good enough to be out of QB-drafting range.
And Barkley isn't Leonard Fournette or Ezekiel Elliot. He's not going to grind out 4 yards a clip, wear the opposing defense down in the second half -- that's not his game. His upside is a better Christian McCaffrey. Not a bad player by any means, but I don't think you can rely on him to run the clock down when you're up 7 with 11 minutes left in the game.
Barkley is a much better runner than McCaffrey. CMac is like Duke Johnson - more of a receiver than a RB.
Possibly, but McCaffrey was a great running back in college. He was a really good receiver too, but he ran between the tackles, he did it all as a pure runner. Hindsight is 20/20, but I think in college, McCaffrey was a legit pure running back.
McCaffrey is too small to pound it between the tackles in the NFL. He got stuffed every time they tried - it didn't work at all.
He's 5'11" and barely over 200lbs.
Barkley is like 30lbs heavier than McCaffrey and much stronger. He's much better built to handle those types of runs even though that's not where he's going to make his money.
I find it very interesting that JonC hasn't heard a peep about any of the QB's in the draft. DG has openly gushed about Barkley on numerous occasions. If Barkley is the guy why risk losing him by showing your love for him?
I've heard in the past hour Darnold is the one QB the Giants like.
I find it very interesting that JonC hasn't heard a peep about any of the QB's in the draft. DG has openly gushed about Barkley on numerous occasions. If Barkley is the guy why risk losing him by showing your love for him?
I've heard in the past hour Darnold is the one QB the Giants like.
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Everyone seems convinced its Baker to Cleveland. Im sticking with Darnold. Well see in a few hours!
Guess I'm in the minority as I think it's Darnold still at 1.
I find it very interesting that JonC hasn't heard a peep about any of the QB's in the draft. DG has openly gushed about Barkley on numerous occasions. If Barkley is the guy why risk losing him by showing your love for him?
I've heard in the past hour Darnold is the one QB the Giants like.
Like and conviction to take is different. I hope they take him.
McCaffrey is too small to pound it between the tackles in the NFL. He got stuffed every time they tried - it didn't work at all.
He's 5'11" and barely over 200lbs.
Barkley is like 30lbs heavier than McCaffrey and much stronger. He's much better built to handle those types of runs even though that's not where he's going to make his money.
Despite the weight, Barkley doesn't like to run it between the tackles and prefers to look to kick it outside.
McCaffrey is too small to pound it between the tackles in the NFL. He got stuffed every time they tried - it didn't work at all.
He's 5'11" and barely over 200lbs.
Barkley is like 30lbs heavier than McCaffrey and much stronger. He's much better built to handle those types of runs even though that's not where he's going to make his money.
Despite the weight, Barkley doesn't like to run it between the tackles and prefers to look to kick it outside.
He didn't need to - he was quick enough to beat everyone off the edge and run around them.
He can run between the tackles if he's asked to. He's strong enough and big enough.
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The buzz about the Browns drafting Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield at No. 1 overall shortly after 8 p.m. Thursday night is deafening.
But for what its worth, as of late Thursday morning, Mayfields camp had yet to hear anything from the Browns, a person familiar with the situation told the Beacon Journal/Ohio.com.
I find it very interesting that JonC hasn't heard a peep about any of the QB's in the draft. DG has openly gushed about Barkley on numerous occasions. If Barkley is the guy why risk losing him by showing your love for him?
I've heard in the past hour Darnold is the one QB the Giants like.
Thanks for sharing JonC. So it appears things are playing out just as you predicted.
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By Nate Ulrich
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The buzz about the Browns drafting Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield at No. 1 overall shortly after 8 p.m. Thursday night is deafening.
But for what its worth, as of late Thursday morning, Mayfields camp had yet to hear anything from the Browns, a person familiar with the situation told the Beacon Journal/Ohio.com.
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What would they expect Mayfield's camp to say???
Yes, the Browns called and I'm #1?
Jesus H., they are not going to tell the media this directly.
Browns continue to keep the decision on their No. 1 pick a secret, but there is a mounting belief from HCs and GMs around the league that Cleveland will take Baker Mayfield.
It's a secret ... but there is "a mounting belief from ... GMs around the league"
Soooo... Schefter has access to the inside thinking of "GMs around the league" ... and, even if he did, wtf do they know about CLE intentions?
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you can just base it on what they can do and speculate on what they can be.
Look at us agreeing, dep - it's a draft day miracle!
Lets hug it out...
I'm glad you left out the last word of that quote. But yes, let's.
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But there are high risk picks and low risk picks...
To me there are no low risk picks of the qbs
You have to measure the context of the QB flaws being low hanging fruit for the current clickbait media environment and social media echo chamber. These QBs are no more flawed than any other prospects in the draft; they're just more likely to have stories written about them that generate clicks.
You know what's really high risk? Not having a QB.
You know what else is extremely high risk? Missing on this pick..
Whoever the giants pick they better hit on it...
And just for the record I wont ne mad if they take a qb, as long as he was the guy they wanted...
That's normally what happens, you want to build the relationship with the pick at 1 by removing some of the uncertainty for them. Goff said his agent basically heard a week before the draft that he was going 1.
The Giants are essentially on the clock now.
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If I were a Browns fan, I'd start prepping for Mayfield.
I was wrong on Darnold.
LOL - How many more times will he change his mind before tonight? Someone on BBI was right with they said he didn't know anything yesterday.
More than likely it is the agent, highly doubt jackson is spreading this
PFF loves him too. Not for me, but who knows.
Same here. Screw these trade down scenarios - I doubt the Giants were in on Mayfield, so the Browns are essentially handing you the top pick of your draft.
Unless, of course, the Giants are in love with him or another player at that spot.
I see it differently; I think a trade down makes sense in a draft where I don't think there's a big difference (if there is at all) between the supposed blue chips and the next level.
The "win now" move, I think, is to draft Barkley.
I may become a Jets fan if he takes Barkley over Rosen or Darnold, and the Jets takes one of those guys, especially Rosen. I just can't get my head around taking Barkley at #2 with these QBs available, given the state of the NY Giants right now. They're not one RB away from a Super Bowl team, they're just not. Way too many holes on this team. Unless the Giants are absolutely terrible in two or three years, they will not have another chance to draft a franchise QB. Even a bad team with no franchise QB can be just good enough to be out of QB-drafting range.
And Barkley isn't Leonard Fournette or Ezekiel Elliot. He's not going to grind out 4 yards a clip, wear the opposing defense down in the second half -- that's not his game. His upside is a better Christian McCaffrey. Not a bad player by any means, but I don't think you can rely on him to run the clock down when you're up 7 with 11 minutes left in the game.
Yup. I could live with Chubb at #2, but Barkley would be difficult to defend, IMO.
To me it's either take a QB or trade down.
Fish or cut bait...
What do we have in Webb is the elephant in the room
What do we have in Webb is the elephant in the room
It's a pretty tiny Elephant IMO. Raanan posted earlier today that 2 of 11 QBs from the 3rd Round in the previous 10 years are real starters. That's pretty tough odds. On top of that, can you really put a whole lot of faith on the previous regime's ability to draft talent? If Webb turns out to be anything that's a bonus but at this point it's not worth altering any draft decisions.
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Everyone I am talking to in the NFL hear the Browns will take Mayfield but all of them cannot believe it's true--same with me
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I see it differently; I think a trade down makes sense in a draft where I don't think there's a big difference (if there is at all) between the supposed blue chips and the next level.
The "win now" move, I think, is to draft Barkley.
Agree. The "trade down" scenario signals a bigger rebuild to me. More players to fill more holes. Barkley is the win now selection. Plug him right in.
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he better no what the heck he is doing.
I may become a Jets fan if he takes Barkley over Rosen or Darnold, and the Jets takes one of those guys, especially Rosen. I just can't get my head around taking Barkley at #2 with these QBs available, given the state of the NY Giants right now. They're not one RB away from a Super Bowl team, they're just not. Way too many holes on this team. Unless the Giants are absolutely terrible in two or three years, they will not have another chance to draft a franchise QB. Even a bad team with no franchise QB can be just good enough to be out of QB-drafting range.
And Barkley isn't Leonard Fournette or Ezekiel Elliot. He's not going to grind out 4 yards a clip, wear the opposing defense down in the second half -- that's not his game. His upside is a better Christian McCaffrey. Not a bad player by any means, but I don't think you can rely on him to run the clock down when you're up 7 with 11 minutes left in the game.
Barkley is a much better runner than McCaffrey. CMac is like Duke Johnson - more of a receiver than a RB.
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
There is absolutely a franchise QB in this draft, probably more than one. If you don't trust Gettleman and company to identify that (or those) prospect(s), that's on them, not the draft class. But at least one and probably 2-3 of this class will emerge as franchise QBs.
And you know this for certain how? There are no surefire franchise QBs in this draft...
You can't guarantee anything. You can't guarantee Barkley won't tear an ACL in his first pre-season game like Ki-Jana Carter sadly did. I mean, what about the North Caroline State DE Kentavius Street who tore his ACL just working out for the Giants? You also can't guarantee that he'll be anything more than Christian McCaffrey or Reggie Bush. Not bad, but not amazing.
One thing you can say for sure is that Josh Rosen has proven he can play the position of QB the way an NFL QB is supposed to. That's why he's my choice. A college QB who has proven he can play an NFL caliber and style game in the most important position in sports. You can't guarantee he won't get a bad concussion or tear something in his shoulder and have to retire, either. Weighing the risks though, the benefit of hitting on a franchise QB is just so much higher than the benefit of hitting on even an Hall of Fame RB. Darnold is a bit riskier, but still totally worth the risk.
If the Giants select Barkley they must think that he's on the level of a OJ Simpson,Gale Sayers,Barry Sanders,etc. BTW,those great runners never won anything.
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he better no what the heck he is doing.
I may become a Jets fan if he takes Barkley over Rosen or Darnold, and the Jets takes one of those guys, especially Rosen. I just can't get my head around taking Barkley at #2 with these QBs available, given the state of the NY Giants right now. They're not one RB away from a Super Bowl team, they're just not. Way too many holes on this team. Unless the Giants are absolutely terrible in two or three years, they will not have another chance to draft a franchise QB. Even a bad team with no franchise QB can be just good enough to be out of QB-drafting range.
And Barkley isn't Leonard Fournette or Ezekiel Elliot. He's not going to grind out 4 yards a clip, wear the opposing defense down in the second half -- that's not his game. His upside is a better Christian McCaffrey. Not a bad player by any means, but I don't think you can rely on him to run the clock down when you're up 7 with 11 minutes left in the game.
Barkley is a much better runner than McCaffrey. CMac is like Duke Johnson - more of a receiver than a RB.
Possibly, but McCaffrey was a great running back in college. He was a really good receiver too, but he ran between the tackles, he did it all as a pure runner. Hindsight is 20/20, but I think in college, McCaffrey was a legit pure running back.
He's 5'11" and barely over 200lbs.
Barkley is like 30lbs heavier than McCaffrey and much stronger. He's much better built to handle those types of runs even though that's not where he's going to make his money.
I've heard in the past hour Darnold is the one QB the Giants like.
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I find it very interesting that JonC hasn't heard a peep about any of the QB's in the draft. DG has openly gushed about Barkley on numerous occasions. If Barkley is the guy why risk losing him by showing your love for him?
I've heard in the past hour Darnold is the one QB the Giants like.
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Everyone seems convinced its Baker to Cleveland. Im sticking with Darnold. Well see in a few hours!
Guess I'm in the minority as I think it's Darnold still at 1.
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I find it very interesting that JonC hasn't heard a peep about any of the QB's in the draft. DG has openly gushed about Barkley on numerous occasions. If Barkley is the guy why risk losing him by showing your love for him?
I've heard in the past hour Darnold is the one QB the Giants like.
Like and conviction to take is different. I hope they take him.
He's 5'11" and barely over 200lbs.
Barkley is like 30lbs heavier than McCaffrey and much stronger. He's much better built to handle those types of runs even though that's not where he's going to make his money.
Despite the weight, Barkley doesn't like to run it between the tackles and prefers to look to kick it outside.
I agree Jon, Haslam was so wowed at Darnold's pro day, that I don't see him signing off on any other QB.
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McCaffrey is too small to pound it between the tackles in the NFL. He got stuffed every time they tried - it didn't work at all.
He's 5'11" and barely over 200lbs.
Barkley is like 30lbs heavier than McCaffrey and much stronger. He's much better built to handle those types of runs even though that's not where he's going to make his money.
Despite the weight, Barkley doesn't like to run it between the tackles and prefers to look to kick it outside.
He didn't need to - he was quick enough to beat everyone off the edge and run around them.
He can run between the tackles if he's asked to. He's strong enough and big enough.
He is now odds-on minus 175 favorite at betonline.
Two days ago he was plus 400; at the height of the "it's Darnold or Allen" thinking Mayfield was as high as plus 3300.
Darnold was minus 270 two days ago and has been minus 175 or better for the last month. He is now plus 100.
The money is talking; we'll see.
By Nate Ulrich
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The buzz about the Browns drafting Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield at No. 1 overall shortly after 8 p.m. Thursday night is deafening.
But for what its worth, as of late Thursday morning, Mayfields camp had yet to hear anything from the Browns, a person familiar with the situation told the Beacon Journal/Ohio.com.
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None of us.....
Who knows how many of these QBs will win Super Bowls...
Who knows how many of these non-QBs will win Super Bowls....
I am sure we will have a ton of 20/20 hindsight guys. I love the possible x-Giants, new Jets fans good luck
but for now, the real Giants...should enjoy the new toys
And stop over thinking the future
And let's hope this team can turn it around.....
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it feels like they never intended to go QB which is ashame.
Yup. I could live with Chubb at #2, but Barkley would be difficult to defend, IMO.
To me it's either take a QB or trade down.
Absolutely agree.
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I find it very interesting that JonC hasn't heard a peep about any of the QB's in the draft. DG has openly gushed about Barkley on numerous occasions. If Barkley is the guy why risk losing him by showing your love for him?
I've heard in the past hour Darnold is the one QB the Giants like.
Thanks for sharing JonC. So it appears things are playing out just as you predicted.
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The buzz about the Browns drafting Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield at No. 1 overall shortly after 8 p.m. Thursday night is deafening.
But for what its worth, as of late Thursday morning, Mayfields camp had yet to hear anything from the Browns, a person familiar with the situation told the Beacon Journal/Ohio.com.
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What would they expect Mayfield's camp to say???
Yes, the Browns called and I'm #1?
Jesus H., they are not going to tell the media this directly.
Can you elaborate?
It's a secret ... but there is "a mounting belief from ... GMs around the league"
Soooo... Schefter has access to the inside thinking of "GMs around the league" ... and, even if he did, wtf do they know about CLE intentions?
There's steam still coming off that load of crap