Like he's waiting to see if the governor grants him a stay of execution.
If Jints Central goes with a QB at #2, Webb is instantly more expendable, likely gone, as this newly acquired QB should vault to back-up status.
If Jints Central opts for a non-QB, Webb is likely safe - granted his stay - and he continues to develop into the potential heir apparent.
A very stressful day for Mr. Webb. If it's Barkley/Chubb expect to hear sounds of popping corks as DW celebrates with some chilled champagne.
As DG said, they "better be right" about Webb - and what are the chances they would be right about Webb and wrong about Darnold or Rosen? Isn't the converse much more likely?
That's a reasonable conclusion though. It would validate and underscore the reports of Shurmur being very fond of Webb...
If they still had Josh Johnson as the backup for example, I really don't think there would be any question. We would be drafting a QB for sure.
Why?
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The new annoying trend around here will be everyone who thinks that Webb was the sole reason why they passed on a QB.
That's a reasonable conclusion though. It would validate and underscore the reports of Shurmur being very fond of Webb...
Shurmur is very fond of him because of how hard he works. He hasn't raved about his on field performance.
Why?
I think Eli is here for at least two more years, especially if he finds the fountain of youth this year. And I think Mara is trying to help him go out on the highest note.
So if you invest the #2 pick in a QB, it's obviously Eli's successor and he has to get, IMV, as many reps as possible. And that's only via the back-up.
So why keep Webb around? Webb only creates more confusion. It's not like New England drafting JimG in the second round one year and Brisset in the 3rd round the next. Those aren't huge investments like a #2 pick in the draft.
Why?
Webb wouldn't be likely gone. The Giants would not keep only 2 QBs with the backup being a rookie.
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Why?
I think Eli is here for at least two more years, especially if he finds the fountain of youth this year. And I think Mara is trying to help him go out on the highest note.
So if you invest the #2 pick in a QB, it's obviously Eli's successor and he has to get, IMV, as many reps as possible. And that's only via the back-up.
So why keep Webb around? Webb only creates more confusion. It's not like New England drafting JimG in the second round one year and Brisset in the 3rd round the next. Those aren't huge investments like a #2 pick in the draft.
I agree with this. There are only so many backup snaps to go around, and they would have to go to the #2 pick. There wouldn't be a competition, and Webb wouldn't be developed. Its not like the Skins when RG3 was the starter and Cousins at least got backup snaps. If the Giants want, they would be better off just picking up a veteran in case Eli goes down and the #2 pick isn't ready.
Nope, its because hes the BPA
I agree with this. There are only so many backup snaps to go around, and they would have to go to the #2 pick. There wouldn't be a competition, and Webb wouldn't be developed. Its not like the Skins when RG3 was the starter and Cousins at least got backup snaps. If the Giants want, they would be better off just picking up a veteran in case Eli goes down and the #2 pick isn't ready.
Yes, a bit better said than how I explained it.
And totally agree with the thought of getting a veteran as the stop-gap if Eli sustains an unexpected injury.
Sure it does. If we don't go QB, Webb is the back-up and still the heir apparent. And he gets a jump on Shurmur's system.
If we draft a QB, he loses valuable reps here, if he stays, and there is no guarantee he catches on with another team.
Webb is a non-entity, easily replaceable. Who cares what he thinks. He's got a long way to go to show he's anything more than the heir-apparent of some other team's practice squad.
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How the draft goes today doesn't change his odds of being a long term starter in the NFL.
Sure it does. If we don't go QB, Webb is the back-up and still the heir apparent. And he gets a jump on Shurmur's system.
If we draft a QB, he loses valuable reps here, if he stays, and there is no guarantee he catches on with another team.
Webb is not anyone's "heir apparent". He is a third round draft pick who has not yet taken a single snap in a real NFL game. The odds he will ever be a starting NFL QB are the same odds of any QB taken in the third round: slim to none.
If you think he has greater odds of being a starter than any other third round QB in history, please educate all of us the basis for any such conclusion.... ???
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How the draft goes today doesn't change his odds of being a long term starter in the NFL.
Sure it does. If we don't go QB, Webb is the back-up and still the heir apparent. And he gets a jump on Shurmur's system.
If we draft a QB, he loses valuable reps here, if he stays, and there is no guarantee he catches on with another team.
Webb is not anyone's "heir apparent". He is a third round draft pick who has not yet taken a single snap in a real NFL game. The odds he will ever be a starting NFL QB are the same odds of any QB taken in the third round: slim to none.
If you think he has greater odds of being a starter than any other third round QB in history, please educate all of us the basis for any such conclusion.... ???
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In comment 13933450 baadbill said:
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How the draft goes today doesn't change his odds of being a long term starter in the NFL.
Sure it does. If we don't go QB, Webb is the back-up and still the heir apparent. And he gets a jump on Shurmur's system.
If we draft a QB, he loses valuable reps here, if he stays, and there is no guarantee he catches on with another team.
Webb is not anyone's "heir apparent". He is a third round draft pick who has not yet taken a single snap in a real NFL game. The odds he will ever be a starting NFL QB are the same odds of any QB taken in the third round: slim to none.
If you think he has greater odds of being a starter than any other third round QB in history, please educate all of us the basis for any such conclusion.... ???
"Hello. This is Russell Wilson for NutraSystem...."
That's sorta dumb. Why not say Tom Brady? The issue isn't whether there's EVER been a starting QB taken in the 3rd round. The issue is ... how many QBs have been taken in the 3rd round and what percentage ending up being starters. The answer is: extremely small.
just a guess
just a guess
And you base that upon .... ?
But that has to be how they justify it.
Webb is not anyone's "heir apparent". He is a third round draft pick who has not yet taken a single snap in a real NFL game. The odds he will ever be a starting NFL QB are the same odds of any QB taken in the third round: slim to none.
If you think he has greater odds of being a starter than any other third round QB in history, please educate all of us the basis for any such conclusion.... ???
I'm not sure what I failed to explain. If we don't choose a QB in this draft, and I'll tell you right now next year's crop is slim pickins, then you have to conclude Webb is in good standing at Jints Central. And he is indeed the heir apparent.
I'm not at all suggesting he's going to be good - I still think it's unlikely based on what I saw at Cal - but you have to agree he's taking the baton from Eli. So his odds increase substantially to be a starter in the NFL.
(Again, with the caveat that doesn't mean he's going to be good.)
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Webb is not anyone's "heir apparent". He is a third round draft pick who has not yet taken a single snap in a real NFL game. The odds he will ever be a starting NFL QB are the same odds of any QB taken in the third round: slim to none.
If you think he has greater odds of being a starter than any other third round QB in history, please educate all of us the basis for any such conclusion.... ???
I'm not sure what I failed to explain. If we don't choose a QB in this draft, and I'll tell you right now next year's crop is slim pickins, then you have to conclude Webb is in good standing at Jints Central. And he is indeed the heir apparent.
I'm not at all suggesting he's going to be good - I still think it's unlikely based on what I saw at Cal - but you have to agree he's taking the baton from Eli. So his odds increase substantially to be a starter in the NFL.
(Again, with the caveat that doesn't mean he's going to be good.)
What is the basis of your conclusion that if the Giants draft a RB (or DE) tonight it is because they believe Webb is their future?
What information do you have that tells you, if the Giants don't take a QB, that it isn't simply because they don't believe any of the QBs are worth the #2 pick?
Or that they simply have the RB (or DE) graded so much higher in value that they couldn't take the QB?
Do you have inside information about Webb - or the Giants grades on the QBs and RB/DE that the rest of us don't have?
Can't wait for the new Giant to be announced!
What is the basis of your conclusion that if the Giants draft a RB (or DE) tonight it is because they believe Webb is their future?
What information do you have that tells you, if the Giants don't take a QB, that it isn't simply because they don't believe any of the QBs are worth the #2 pick?
Or that they simply have the RB (or DE) graded so much higher in value that they couldn't take the QB?
Do you have inside information about Webb - or the Giants grades on the QBs and RB/DE that the rest of us don't have?
If they don't draft a QB at #2 or any QB in this draft - maybe they take a flyer in the 5th round or later - commons sense tells you they are all in on Webb. Furthermore, as stated, the college QB crop next year is unimpressive and the future FA market of QBs doesn't look bullish. If you want to say we trade for a Foles or Cunningham, then I guess that that is an option. But who wants to bank on that...
If Jints Central has Barkley rated higher than QBs doesn't mean he's going to be more effective than a QB. You should ALWAYS take the 8.5/9 graded QB over the 10 rated Barkley. RBs are fungible in today's game. And this is a bumper crop of college RB prospects. I am certain there will be another RB or two that will have a career just as good as Barkley. NFL history is on my side there.
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I think the Giants think that Webb is the QB of the future. And they aren't picking a QB
just a guess
And you base that upon .... ?
i'm guessing, if they take a QB with the second pick you cant tell me I was wrong.
Eli's probably gone in two years. You showcase both young QBs, pick one to stay and get a high draft pick for the other.
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I think the Giants think that Webb is the QB of the future. And they aren't picking a QB
just a guess
And you base that upon .... ?
i'm guessing, if they take a QB with the second pick you cant tell me I was wrong.
Gee, thanks for letting us all know. What do you guess the next winning lottery number will be?