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Webb must feel like a person on death row today...

bw in dc : 4/26/2018 11:05 am
Like he's waiting to see if the governor grants him a stay of execution.

If Jints Central goes with a QB at #2, Webb is instantly more expendable, likely gone, as this newly acquired QB should vault to back-up status.

If Jints Central opts for a non-QB, Webb is likely safe - granted his stay - and he continues to develop into the potential heir apparent.

A very stressful day for Mr. Webb. If it's Barkley/Chubb expect to hear sounds of popping corks as DW celebrates with some chilled champagne.



If the Giants do pass on a QB for Barkley or Chubb  
Jay on the Island : 4/26/2018 11:07 am : link
The new annoying trend around here will be everyone who thinks that Webb was the sole reason why they passed on a QB.
he could still have the job as the the back up  
ron mexico : 4/26/2018 11:08 am : link
for the new guy
Look, I want Webb to succeed as much as I want any Giant to succeed  
GiantNatty : 4/26/2018 11:11 am : link
But if the Giants pass up on a much better prospect at the QB position because of him, it will be hard not to think the Giants made a huge mistake (that will in all likelihood land them in QB hell).

As DG said, they "better be right" about Webb - and what are the chances they would be right about Webb and wrong about Darnold or Rosen? Isn't the converse much more likely?
RE: If the Giants do pass on a QB for Barkley or Chubb  
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 13933241 Jay on the Island said:
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The new annoying trend around here will be everyone who thinks that Webb was the sole reason why they passed on a QB.


That's a reasonable conclusion though. It would validate and underscore the reports of Shurmur being very fond of Webb...
I absolutely think Webb is part of the decision making process  
PatersonPlank : 4/26/2018 11:12 am : link
IMO the factors are Eli's abilities, their feelings on Webb and if he can potentially be the QB, and how the draftees stack up to Webb (since they already have him). So I'm not even waiting until tomorrow, the Giants opinion of Webb definitely impacts the decision in my view.

If they still had Josh Johnson as the backup for example, I really don't think there would be any question. We would be drafting a QB for sure.
Webb is a team player.  
GiantFilthy : 4/26/2018 11:12 am : link
He said if the Giants think on of these QBs will help the Giants win games then they should draft him and he's happy to compete.
No QB is better news, of course.  
CT Charlie : 4/26/2018 11:14 am : link
But even if they draft a QB, I think Webb will conclude that the Giants are looking past Eli. That means more opportunity sooner, either here or someplace else.
Likely gone?  
njm : 4/26/2018 11:14 am : link


Why?
RE: RE: If the Giants do pass on a QB for Barkley or Chubb  
Jay on the Island : 4/26/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13933266 bw in dc said:
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The new annoying trend around here will be everyone who thinks that Webb was the sole reason why they passed on a QB.



That's a reasonable conclusion though. It would validate and underscore the reports of Shurmur being very fond of Webb...

Shurmur is very fond of him because of how hard he works. He hasn't raved about his on field performance.
If they go QB, I would hold onto three  
Chef : 4/26/2018 11:18 am : link
QB's for one year...
I wonder if inmates on Death Row  
fivehead : 4/26/2018 11:20 am : link
feel like Davis Webb does today?
Davis Webb  
ThatLimerickGuy : 4/26/2018 11:22 am : link
Is going to be a very very good QB, either here or somewhere else.
just  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2018 11:25 am : link
remember how Griffin and Cousins ended up with the Redskins.
RE: Likely gone?  
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 11:25 am : link
In comment 13933281 njm said:
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Why?


I think Eli is here for at least two more years, especially if he finds the fountain of youth this year. And I think Mara is trying to help him go out on the highest note.

So if you invest the #2 pick in a QB, it's obviously Eli's successor and he has to get, IMV, as many reps as possible. And that's only via the back-up.

So why keep Webb around? Webb only creates more confusion. It's not like New England drafting JimG in the second round one year and Brisset in the 3rd round the next. Those aren't huge investments like a #2 pick in the draft.
RE: Likely gone?  
Mr. Bungle : 4/26/2018 11:25 am : link
In comment 13933281 njm said:
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Why?

Webb wouldn't be likely gone. The Giants would not keep only 2 QBs with the backup being a rookie.
RE: RE: Likely gone?  
PatersonPlank : 4/26/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13933328 bw in dc said:
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Why?



I think Eli is here for at least two more years, especially if he finds the fountain of youth this year. And I think Mara is trying to help him go out on the highest note.

So if you invest the #2 pick in a QB, it's obviously Eli's successor and he has to get, IMV, as many reps as possible. And that's only via the back-up.

So why keep Webb around? Webb only creates more confusion. It's not like New England drafting JimG in the second round one year and Brisset in the 3rd round the next. Those aren't huge investments like a #2 pick in the draft.


I agree with this. There are only so many backup snaps to go around, and they would have to go to the #2 pick. There wouldn't be a competition, and Webb wouldn't be developed. Its not like the Skins when RG3 was the starter and Cousins at least got backup snaps. If the Giants want, they would be better off just picking up a veteran in case Eli goes down and the #2 pick isn't ready.
RE: If the Giants do pass on a QB for Barkley or Chubb  
sharpshooter66 : 4/26/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13933241 Jay on the Island said:
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The new annoying trend around here will be everyone who thinks that Webb was the sole reason why they passed on a QB.


Nope, its because hes the BPA
RE: RE: RE: Likely gone?  
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 13933338 PatersonPlank said:
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I agree with this. There are only so many backup snaps to go around, and they would have to go to the #2 pick. There wouldn't be a competition, and Webb wouldn't be developed. Its not like the Skins when RG3 was the starter and Cousins at least got backup snaps. If the Giants want, they would be better off just picking up a veteran in case Eli goes down and the #2 pick isn't ready.


Yes, a bit better said than how I explained it.

And totally agree with the thought of getting a veteran as the stop-gap if Eli sustains an unexpected injury.
Webb knows who he is.  
baadbill : 4/26/2018 11:42 am : link
How the draft goes today doesn't change his odds of being a long term starter in the NFL.
RE: Webb knows who he is.  
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 11:48 am : link
In comment 13933450 baadbill said:
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How the draft goes today doesn't change his odds of being a long term starter in the NFL.


Sure it does. If we don't go QB, Webb is the back-up and still the heir apparent. And he gets a jump on Shurmur's system.

If we draft a QB, he loses valuable reps here, if he stays, and there is no guarantee he catches on with another team.
The only player that is ready to be a QB in this draft may be Rosen  
Rjanyg : 4/26/2018 11:49 am : link
I don't think there is a true better prospect than Webb.

Most popular player on the New York Giants  
HomerJones45 : 4/26/2018 12:47 pm : link
is always the #2 qb.

Webb is a non-entity, easily replaceable. Who cares what he thinks. He's got a long way to go to show he's anything more than the heir-apparent of some other team's practice squad.
RE: RE: Webb knows who he is.  
baadbill : 4/26/2018 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13933497 bw in dc said:
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How the draft goes today doesn't change his odds of being a long term starter in the NFL.



Sure it does. If we don't go QB, Webb is the back-up and still the heir apparent. And he gets a jump on Shurmur's system.

If we draft a QB, he loses valuable reps here, if he stays, and there is no guarantee he catches on with another team.



Webb is not anyone's "heir apparent". He is a third round draft pick who has not yet taken a single snap in a real NFL game. The odds he will ever be a starting NFL QB are the same odds of any QB taken in the third round: slim to none.

If you think he has greater odds of being a starter than any other third round QB in history, please educate all of us the basis for any such conclusion.... ???
RE: RE: RE: Webb knows who he is.  
njm : 4/26/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13933761 baadbill said:
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How the draft goes today doesn't change his odds of being a long term starter in the NFL.



Sure it does. If we don't go QB, Webb is the back-up and still the heir apparent. And he gets a jump on Shurmur's system.

If we draft a QB, he loses valuable reps here, if he stays, and there is no guarantee he catches on with another team.




Webb is not anyone's "heir apparent". He is a third round draft pick who has not yet taken a single snap in a real NFL game. The odds he will ever be a starting NFL QB are the same odds of any QB taken in the third round: slim to none.

If you think he has greater odds of being a starter than any other third round QB in history, please educate all of us the basis for any such conclusion.... ???


"Hello. This is Russell Wilson for NutraSystem...."
RE: RE: RE: RE: Webb knows who he is.  
baadbill : 4/26/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13933788 njm said:
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How the draft goes today doesn't change his odds of being a long term starter in the NFL.



Sure it does. If we don't go QB, Webb is the back-up and still the heir apparent. And he gets a jump on Shurmur's system.

If we draft a QB, he loses valuable reps here, if he stays, and there is no guarantee he catches on with another team.




Webb is not anyone's "heir apparent". He is a third round draft pick who has not yet taken a single snap in a real NFL game. The odds he will ever be a starting NFL QB are the same odds of any QB taken in the third round: slim to none.

If you think he has greater odds of being a starter than any other third round QB in history, please educate all of us the basis for any such conclusion.... ???



"Hello. This is Russell Wilson for NutraSystem...."


That's sorta dumb. Why not say Tom Brady? The issue isn't whether there's EVER been a starting QB taken in the 3rd round. The issue is ... how many QBs have been taken in the 3rd round and what percentage ending up being starters. The answer is: extremely small.
Just my opinion  
cjac : 4/26/2018 1:09 pm : link
I think the Giants think that Webb is the QB of the future. And they aren't picking a QB

just a guess
RE: Just my opinion  
baadbill : 4/26/2018 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13933822 cjac said:
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I think the Giants think that Webb is the QB of the future. And they aren't picking a QB

just a guess


And you base that upon .... ?
If they do not take a QB  
George from PA : 4/26/2018 1:13 pm : link
They probably see Webb having as much potential as any of the options in the draft.....doesn't prove anything.

But that has to be how they justify it.
RE: RE: RE: Webb knows who he is.  
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13933761 baadbill said:
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Webb is not anyone's "heir apparent". He is a third round draft pick who has not yet taken a single snap in a real NFL game. The odds he will ever be a starting NFL QB are the same odds of any QB taken in the third round: slim to none.

If you think he has greater odds of being a starter than any other third round QB in history, please educate all of us the basis for any such conclusion.... ???


I'm not sure what I failed to explain. If we don't choose a QB in this draft, and I'll tell you right now next year's crop is slim pickins, then you have to conclude Webb is in good standing at Jints Central. And he is indeed the heir apparent.

I'm not at all suggesting he's going to be good - I still think it's unlikely based on what I saw at Cal - but you have to agree he's taking the baton from Eli. So his odds increase substantially to be a starter in the NFL.

(Again, with the caveat that doesn't mean he's going to be good.)
RE: RE: RE: RE: Webb knows who he is.  
baadbill : 4/26/2018 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13933840 bw in dc said:
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Webb is not anyone's "heir apparent". He is a third round draft pick who has not yet taken a single snap in a real NFL game. The odds he will ever be a starting NFL QB are the same odds of any QB taken in the third round: slim to none.

If you think he has greater odds of being a starter than any other third round QB in history, please educate all of us the basis for any such conclusion.... ???



I'm not sure what I failed to explain. If we don't choose a QB in this draft, and I'll tell you right now next year's crop is slim pickins, then you have to conclude Webb is in good standing at Jints Central. And he is indeed the heir apparent.

I'm not at all suggesting he's going to be good - I still think it's unlikely based on what I saw at Cal - but you have to agree he's taking the baton from Eli. So his odds increase substantially to be a starter in the NFL.

(Again, with the caveat that doesn't mean he's going to be good.)


What is the basis of your conclusion that if the Giants draft a RB (or DE) tonight it is because they believe Webb is their future?

What information do you have that tells you, if the Giants don't take a QB, that it isn't simply because they don't believe any of the QBs are worth the #2 pick?

Or that they simply have the RB (or DE) graded so much higher in value that they couldn't take the QB?

Do you have inside information about Webb - or the Giants grades on the QBs and RB/DE that the rest of us don't have?
He's in a tough spot if they pick a position player...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/26/2018 1:30 pm : link
for his entire career it will be him vs. "the field" - comparisons that would be hard for anyone to beat.

Would be interesting though...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/26/2018 1:32 pm : link
if they go RB tonight (Webb sigh of relief) followed up with QB @34 tomorrow (immediate sick feeling in his stomach).

Can't wait for the new Giant to be announced!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Webb knows who he is.  
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13933858 baadbill said:
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What is the basis of your conclusion that if the Giants draft a RB (or DE) tonight it is because they believe Webb is their future?

What information do you have that tells you, if the Giants don't take a QB, that it isn't simply because they don't believe any of the QBs are worth the #2 pick?

Or that they simply have the RB (or DE) graded so much higher in value that they couldn't take the QB?

Do you have inside information about Webb - or the Giants grades on the QBs and RB/DE that the rest of us don't have?


If they don't draft a QB at #2 or any QB in this draft - maybe they take a flyer in the 5th round or later - commons sense tells you they are all in on Webb. Furthermore, as stated, the college QB crop next year is unimpressive and the future FA market of QBs doesn't look bullish. If you want to say we trade for a Foles or Cunningham, then I guess that that is an option. But who wants to bank on that...

If Jints Central has Barkley rated higher than QBs doesn't mean he's going to be more effective than a QB. You should ALWAYS take the 8.5/9 graded QB over the 10 rated Barkley. RBs are fungible in today's game. And this is a bumper crop of college RB prospects. I am certain there will be another RB or two that will have a career just as good as Barkley. NFL history is on my side there.
RE: RE: Just my opinion  
cjac : 4/26/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13933826 baadbill said:
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I think the Giants think that Webb is the QB of the future. And they aren't picking a QB

just a guess



And you base that upon .... ?


i'm guessing, if they take a QB with the second pick you cant tell me I was wrong.
I think it will be  
cjac : 4/26/2018 1:44 pm : link
Barkley, Chubb, or trade down
Why would having two  
joeinpa : 4/26/2018 3:00 pm : link
Young quarterbacks competing to be Eli s successor be a bad thing. Missing on a quarterback is a big deal, good to hedge your bets.
Well said, Joe ...  
Manny in CA : 4/26/2018 3:46 pm : link

Eli's probably gone in two years. You showcase both young QBs, pick one to stay and get a high draft pick for the other.
Webb will get hit shot one day  
djm : 4/26/2018 3:51 pm : link
no matter what happens today. As long as he doesn't play like total dog shit in the preseason he will get someone's attention around the NFL if it isn't here with the Giants.
I firmly believe if they forego a QB  
Matt M. : 4/26/2018 5:05 pm : link
it has more to xo witbnot thinking highly enough of the top guys. This is especially true if they are set on one guy and the Browns select that guy #1. I don't think Webb is factoring in much one way of the other.
RE: RE: RE: Just my opinion  
baadbill : 4/26/2018 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13933888 cjac said:
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In comment 13933822 cjac said:


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I think the Giants think that Webb is the QB of the future. And they aren't picking a QB

just a guess



And you base that upon .... ?



i'm guessing, if they take a QB with the second pick you cant tell me I was wrong.


Gee, thanks for letting us all know. What do you guess the next winning lottery number will be?
Webb must be a very happy man tonight  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/26/2018 9:21 pm : link
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The governor called and he got a last second pardon  
steve in ky : 4/27/2018 12:41 am : link
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