Dianna Russini
@diannaESPN
Spoke to a Giants source. He said the feeling in this building today is the Giants are looking to trade down. When I asked why? He said “we have a ton of needs”
NYG contemplating all options.
Just try it out. There's so much reflexivity in this:
Giants talking to DEN,MIA,NO,AZ,BUF,NE,NO,SD,CIN,JAX for#2
Browns talking to DEN,MIA,NO,AZ,BUF,NE,NO,SD,CIN,JAX for#4
All those teams know that the #4 is devalued if someone else trades into the #2 or Giants take a QB. So teams are forced to wait on trading with CLE to see what NYG do with the #2. NYG will wait on the #2 until they know what CLE is doing.
So in order for CLE to get the most value for the #4, it would make sense for them to trade the #1 to NY. Now CLE can take the QB they probably want and still get a ransom for the #4.
Point is if NYG KNOW they don't like any of the QBs they probably would have traded out already. Tells me they are thinking a specific QB.
Everyone looks at the team record and #2 overall pick and is saying the Giants are terrible and in total rebuild.
But, with a half decent Oline and a good coach, this team could have been anywhere from 8-8 to 11-5ish with the level of talent it had last year.
In today's NFL with all it's parity, if you have a good QB, you're never more than a year or two away from competing. This team is not nearly as bad as it's being made out to be.
Thank you, Jerz. One of the few who makes sense.
It was like everyone picked Philadelphia last year to win and Dallas in 2016. There is a different division champ each year in the NFL East. Nobody knows who is going to win because the teams are closely matched. One or two key injuries (OBJ - last year) can make all of the difference!
Would someone within the building who works for the Giants, reveal their gameplan to a reporter. Makes no sense. These guys all have their jobs on the line. The scouts themselves are fearful for their jobs after the draft. I have spoken to their head west coast scout about this. I just can’t bekieve anything that is being reported today.
I can't believe Gettleman is not set on this pick Â
Is there room to field a big offer? I hope so but I can't believe a guy with his experience is not locked in with Plan A and prepared for Plan B if the Browns do something crazy.
RE: I can't believe Gettleman is not set on this pick Â
Is there room to field a big offer? I hope so but I can't believe a guy with his experience is not locked in with Plan A and prepared for Plan B if the Browns do something crazy.
If he isn’t, he shouldn’t have this job
RE: I can't believe Gettleman is not set on this pick Â
Is there room to field a big offer? I hope so but I can't believe a guy with his experience is not locked in with Plan A and prepared for Plan B if the Browns do something crazy.
I'm sure he has several plans in place.... this isn't his first rodeo.
But if the powers that be dont have any conviction on a QB then why force that pick? Who knows what our FO thinks of the QBs. If they like one then take him but if any doubt why force it? Move back some and gain some capital and take the guy you like.
Once again,I want a franchise Qb and would run to podium for Darnold but I'm a fan and if DG does not like him then why force that pick?
RE: RE: I can't believe Gettleman is not set on this pick Â
Is there room to field a big offer? I hope so but I can't believe a guy with his experience is not locked in with Plan A and prepared for Plan B if the Browns do something crazy.
If he isn’t, he shouldn’t have this job
lets be real, guys. I am sure they have plan a, b, c, d, and E already lined up. He has absolutely nothing to gain by saying that. They wont tip their hand at all until their on the clock or they lose all their leverage.
at a price. They will trade down if it good for team. If not they will make pick. DG seems to have eye for talent, by Friday am, it will be in the books. Based on them backing Eli really doubt they take QB. Then you must wonder @ 2 whats the best pick outside of QB? I sell wood products from Brazil, I do not evaluate talent in NFL. But I must say great running back with our current cast of other weapons might be what the Dr. ordered. Who Knows? but 11-5 to 3-13 who saw that coming.I imagine we can go right back to 11-5, with the right Coaching. But I'm a Homer.
I have a hard time believing any rumors from secondary reporters today. Even the main insiders are suspect, although I would think Schefter, Glazer, Garafolo, etc would due their due diligence before reporting it.
These scouts could be canned next week. They may know what the consensus is in the room, but I doubt they know where Gettleman and Mara are leaning.
Trade down into 4-8 range, adding more picks. Would love Nelson as the pick as O-line is decimated. Giants might win 3-4 games this year with poor roster and tough schedule. Add more bodies and draft well this year and next. Then grab your QB in next draft. Management wants Eli to play this year, a wasted year for the #2 pick if QB sits.
Trade down into 4-8 range, adding more picks. Would love Nelson as the pick as O-line is decimated. Giants might win 3-4 games this year with poor roster and tough schedule. Add more bodies and draft well this year and next. Then grab your QB in next draft. Management wants Eli to play this year, a wasted year for the #2 pick if QB sits.
Only problem with that is there are no good QB's next year.
like stud QB prospects are available in aisle 10 of your local grocery store. Flaws and all, this current crop of prospects is likely the most talented group we'll have access to in the next several years. If the Browns do take Mayfield, the guy we like the best (allegedly) will be sitting right there for us - just have to write his name on a piece of paper. I feel like every other franchise - if put in our exact circumstance - would take Darnold at #2.
Trade down into 4-8 range, adding more picks. Would love Nelson as the pick as O-line is decimated. Giants might win 3-4 games this year with poor roster and tough schedule. Add more bodies and draft well this year and next. Then grab your QB in next draft. Management wants Eli to play this year, a wasted year for the #2 pick if QB sits.
Such short term thinking
RE: If they don't like any of the QBs, then it makes sense Â
But if Darnold is there and they pass on him, they will regret it. The NY media and every Jets fans will be rubbing it in our faces for the next decade.
The one they end up regretting might be Rosen.
He's been torn apart, and yes, carries some injury risk, but he is the best passer easily.
card immediately... with no hesitation... or take time and trade back ... what I don't want to see is the Giants use 9+ minutes and then make a selection.
RE: RE: RE: RE: At least that would make some sense Â
card immediately... with no hesitation... or take time and trade back ... what I don't want to see is the Giants use 9+ minutes and then make a selection.
This is usually how Gettleman operates, so you'll likely get your wish unless we're entertaining trade down offers while we're on the clock.
RE: What I want more than anything ... is to see the Giants turn in their Â
card immediately... with no hesitation... or take time and trade back ... what I don't want to see is the Giants use 9+ minutes and then make a selection.
Why? I would rather they take their time to make sure they get the best offer in and then weigh it verse the player they want. Picking fast never made any sense to me. What does it prove?
RE: For those that know ...trading back to #5 what is that worth Â
According to this, it's a difference of 900 points in value. So, swapping picks and then either next year's 1st, or this year's and next year's 2nd or 3rd. Something like that.
When the Bears moved up from 3 to 2 with the 49ers last year, they gave up last year's 3rd and this year's 3rd and 4th. Draft pick value chart - ( New Window )
RE: RE: What I want more than anything ... is to see the Giants turn in their Â
card immediately... with no hesitation... or take time and trade back ... what I don't want to see is the Giants use 9+ minutes and then make a selection.
Why? I would rather they take their time to make sure they get the best offer in and then weigh it verse the player they want. Picking fast never made any sense to me. What does it prove?
It proves they have so much confidence in the value of the player they are selecting that there isn't any trade offer that would change their minds. That the player they want is so important to the future of the franchise, that they aren't interested in considering any alternative. That's what I want.
Or I want them to trade back because the kind of value I just described doesn't exist at #2.
What I don't want ... is for them to be wishy washy ... might trade might not ... and then end up taking a player after almost trading the pick away.
Aditi Kinkhabwala
@AKinkhabwala
For weeks now, we’ve been reading that an RB is not worth the no. 2 pick. Is any RB worth more than TWO first round picks? That’s one of the questions being asked in #Giants HQ today.
the logical long term solution is to trade down.
Rumors are Giants can get 2 1st ,2nd &3rd this year from Buffalo. Good start.
Broncos are looking to trade also
If Giants can get at least 2 1st, 2-2nd and maybe extra 2nd or 3rd in next 2 drafts .
the logical long term solution is to trade down.
Rumors are Giants can get 2 1st ,2nd &3rd this year from Buffalo. Good start.
Broncos are looking to trade also
If Giants can get at least 2 1st, 2-2nd and maybe extra 2nd or 3rd in next 2 drafts .
But if we don’t land a franchise QB or one of Barkley, Chubb or Nelson.. than I have no faith in DG
Question, if he drafts a QB (becuase you say they are franchise guys) and he fails, would you still be ok with DG as a GM? Give me a break. These QB's are wickedly flawed.
yes i would - you take your shot
Trading would go against DG and the Giants history.... Â
Aditi Kinkhabwala
@AKinkhabwala
For weeks now, we’ve been reading that an RB is not worth the no. 2 pick. Is any RB worth more than TWO first round picks? That’s one of the questions being asked in #Giants HQ today.
1:44pm · 26 Apr 2018
I love it. This is an excellent question and exactly what the team should be discussing.
Actually, they would be discussing this if they have an offer of two first round picks on the table. That sounds good to me.
You trade down based on what your draft board tells you, not based on what your depth chart tells you. I'm not opposed to trading down, but only if it is motivated by the quality of prospects available, not the quantity of holes on the roster. As George Young used to say, don't bring your depth chart into the war room (or something like that).
but ask yourself how many great players the Pats have after Brady? How many household names?
Great players cover up so much shit. The Giants have THREE pretty high picks AFTER the 2nd overall pick. They have the second rounder and the two third rounders. Rome wasn't built in a day but if they hit on 3-4 picks here that's a great start, assuming you added a generational talent at pick 2 or a big time QB.
Everyone loves getting tons of picks just remember one cold hard fact--you WON'T hit on all of them. You probably won't hit on half of them.
but ask yourself how many great players the Pats have after Brady? How many household names?
Great players cover up so much shit. The Giants have THREE pretty high picks AFTER the 2nd overall pick. They have the second rounder and the two third rounders. Rome wasn't built in a day but if they hit on 3-4 picks here that's a great start, assuming you added a generational talent at pick 2 or a big time QB.
Everyone loves getting tons of picks just remember one cold hard fact--you WON'T hit on all of them. You probably won't hit on half of them.
But selling the #2 pick can give you 3 years worth of "just the hits" in two years.
Nelson, Chubb, and Barkley are the only blue chip players at the top of this draft.
Just because ESPN is focused on those guys doesn't mean there the only players on the board. Just go check out SY'56 ratings. Look for 90 and above. And that's just one guy's view. Point is, there's more players worthy of attention who would be far more than "meh".
Aditi Kinkhabwala
@AKinkhabwala
For weeks now, we’ve been reading that an RB is not worth the no. 2 pick. Is any RB worth more than TWO first round picks? That’s one of the questions being asked in #Giants HQ today.
First time for everything :)
Giants talking to DEN,MIA,NO,AZ,BUF,NE,NO,SD,CIN,JAX for#2
Browns talking to DEN,MIA,NO,AZ,BUF,NE,NO,SD,CIN,JAX for#4
All those teams know that the #4 is devalued if someone else trades into the #2 or Giants take a QB. So teams are forced to wait on trading with CLE to see what NYG do with the #2. NYG will wait on the #2 until they know what CLE is doing.
So in order for CLE to get the most value for the #4, it would make sense for them to trade the #1 to NY. Now CLE can take the QB they probably want and still get a ransom for the #4.
Point is if NYG KNOW they don't like any of the QBs they probably would have traded out already. Tells me they are thinking a specific QB.
But, with a half decent Oline and a good coach, this team could have been anywhere from 8-8 to 11-5ish with the level of talent it had last year.
In today's NFL with all it's parity, if you have a good QB, you're never more than a year or two away from competing. This team is not nearly as bad as it's being made out to be.
Thank you, Jerz. One of the few who makes sense.
It was like everyone picked Philadelphia last year to win and Dallas in 2016. There is a different division champ each year in the NFL East. Nobody knows who is going to win because the teams are closely matched. One or two key injuries (OBJ - last year) can make all of the difference!
If he isn’t, he shouldn’t have this job
I'm sure he has several plans in place.... this isn't his first rodeo.
Once again,I want a franchise Qb and would run to podium for Darnold but I'm a fan and if DG does not like him then why force that pick?
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Is there room to field a big offer? I hope so but I can't believe a guy with his experience is not locked in with Plan A and prepared for Plan B if the Browns do something crazy.
If he isn’t, he shouldn’t have this job
lets be real, guys. I am sure they have plan a, b, c, d, and E already lined up. He has absolutely nothing to gain by saying that. They wont tip their hand at all until their on the clock or they lose all their leverage.
this is pretty simple, imo.
These scouts could be canned next week. They may know what the consensus is in the room, but I doubt they know where Gettleman and Mara are leaning.
Only problem with that is there are no good QB's next year.
Such short term thinking
The one they end up regretting might be Rosen.
He's been torn apart, and yes, carries some injury risk, but he is the best passer easily.
Moreover, Eli has four to five productive years remaining
By what measure?
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In comment 13933378 jeff57 said:
Moreover, Eli has four to five productive years remaining
By what measure?
Dog years.
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In comment 13933378 jeff57 said:
Moreover, Eli has four to five productive years remaining
By what measure?
Dog years.
that was funny...
This is usually how Gettleman operates, so you'll likely get your wish unless we're entertaining trade down offers while we're on the clock.
Why? I would rather they take their time to make sure they get the best offer in and then weigh it verse the player they want. Picking fast never made any sense to me. What does it prove?
According to this, it's a difference of 900 points in value. So, swapping picks and then either next year's 1st, or this year's and next year's 2nd or 3rd. Something like that.
When the Bears moved up from 3 to 2 with the 49ers last year, they gave up last year's 3rd and this year's 3rd and 4th.
Draft pick value chart - ( New Window )
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card immediately... with no hesitation... or take time and trade back ... what I don't want to see is the Giants use 9+ minutes and then make a selection.
Why? I would rather they take their time to make sure they get the best offer in and then weigh it verse the player they want. Picking fast never made any sense to me. What does it prove?
It proves they have so much confidence in the value of the player they are selecting that there isn't any trade offer that would change their minds. That the player they want is so important to the future of the franchise, that they aren't interested in considering any alternative. That's what I want.
Or I want them to trade back because the kind of value I just described doesn't exist at #2.
What I don't want ... is for them to be wishy washy ... might trade might not ... and then end up taking a player after almost trading the pick away.
@AKinkhabwala
For weeks now, we’ve been reading that an RB is not worth the no. 2 pick. Is any RB worth more than TWO first round picks? That’s one of the questions being asked in #Giants HQ today.
1:44pm · 26 Apr 2018
Agreed. QB or trade down.
Gain multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks
Get Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson with the 6th pick.
Rumors are Giants can get 2 1st ,2nd &3rd this year from Buffalo. Good start.
Broncos are looking to trade also
If Giants can get at least 2 1st, 2-2nd and maybe extra 2nd or 3rd in next 2 drafts .
GO FOR IT
#2 picks it would give us more needs and ammo to move up
if needed .
Rumors are Giants can get 2 1st ,2nd &3rd this year from Buffalo. Good start.
Broncos are looking to trade also
If Giants can get at least 2 1st, 2-2nd and maybe extra 2nd or 3rd in next 2 drafts .
GO FOR IT
Agree - ( New Window )
BHAHAHAHHAh
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But if we don’t land a franchise QB or one of Barkley, Chubb or Nelson.. than I have no faith in DG
Question, if he drafts a QB (becuase you say they are franchise guys) and he fails, would you still be ok with DG as a GM? Give me a break. These QB's are wickedly flawed.
yes i would - you take your shot
@AKinkhabwala
For weeks now, we’ve been reading that an RB is not worth the no. 2 pick. Is any RB worth more than TWO first round picks? That’s one of the questions being asked in #Giants HQ today.
1:44pm · 26 Apr 2018
I love it. This is an excellent question and exactly what the team should be discussing.
Actually, they would be discussing this if they have an offer of two first round picks on the table. That sounds good to me.
Great players cover up so much shit. The Giants have THREE pretty high picks AFTER the 2nd overall pick. They have the second rounder and the two third rounders. Rome wasn't built in a day but if they hit on 3-4 picks here that's a great start, assuming you added a generational talent at pick 2 or a big time QB.
Everyone loves getting tons of picks just remember one cold hard fact--you WON'T hit on all of them. You probably won't hit on half of them.
Would you rather have Michael Strahan or MArshall Faulk vs 2-3 players like Hankins, Richburg, Ruben Randle and Brandon Jacobs and Phillip Sparks?
Great players cover up so much shit. The Giants have THREE pretty high picks AFTER the 2nd overall pick. They have the second rounder and the two third rounders. Rome wasn't built in a day but if they hit on 3-4 picks here that's a great start, assuming you added a generational talent at pick 2 or a big time QB.
Everyone loves getting tons of picks just remember one cold hard fact--you WON'T hit on all of them. You probably won't hit on half of them.
But selling the #2 pick can give you 3 years worth of "just the hits" in two years.
Just because ESPN is focused on those guys doesn't mean there the only players on the board. Just go check out SY'56 ratings. Look for 90 and above. And that's just one guy's view. Point is, there's more players worthy of attention who would be far more than "meh".
94 Barkley , Saquon , RB , Penn State
90 James , Derwin , S , Florida State
89 Rosen , Josh , QB , UCLA
87 Vea , Vita , DL , Washington
87 Fitzpatrick , Minkah , S , Alabama
86 Jackson , Josh , CB , Iowa
86 Oliver , Isaiah , CB , Colorado
86 Ward , Denzel , CB , Ohio State
86 Payne , Da'Ron , DL , Alabama
86 Chubb , Bradley , Edge , North Carolina State
86 Mayfield , Baker , QB , Oklahoma
86 Leonard , Darius , LB , South Carolina State
85 Hughes , Mike , CB , Central Florida
85 Nelson , Quinton , OG , Notre Dame
85 Smith , Braden , OG , Auburn
@AKinkhabwala
For weeks now, we’ve been reading that an RB is not worth the no. 2 pick. Is any RB worth more than TWO first round picks? That’s one of the questions being asked in #Giants HQ today.
1:44pm · 26 Apr 2018
Spoiler alert:
The answer is no.