He better be right, because he won't have a job in two years if he isn't. I mean you don't want to overreact, but we are now being given an opportunity to have a 30 year stretch of a franchise qb, and to throw that away for a RB would be criminal. At the very least, trade the pick and get capital for a qb next year if you are really sticking to your convictions that Darnold and Rosen aren't that good, get the King's ransom. Please, though, please do not draft Saquon Barkley. It is so short-sighted no matter how good he is.
That said, he doesn't appear to be worried.
That said, he doesn't appear to be worried.
This is what worries me. He is getting old and this is his last GM job. The pressure isn't as high as it would be for a young first time GM who is trying to make his mark.
That said, he doesn't appear to be worried.
And what does that tell you? Does that give you insight? I mean, I want to believe the Giants are going QB at 2, but there seems to be a ton of chatter going in the opposite direction. Do you believe he's put up such a smokescreen so as to fool the entire media?
That takes major balls. MAJOR balls. If Baker flops, Dorsey's going to be out of the league.
That said, he doesn't appear to be worried.
I think it's the biggest decision in the history of this franchise
What else is there? Rozelle brokering the deal to bring in GY?
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There is tremendous pressure on Gettleman to get his right. It's probably the biggest decision he will make during his entire football career.
That said, he doesn't appear to be worried.
This is what worries me. He is getting old and this is his last GM job. The pressure isn't as high as it would be for a young first time GM who is trying to make his mark.
Gettleman gives off the impression of being very self-confident, the smartest guy in the room type. Obviously, we don't know these guys personally or how they are, but his press conferences give me that vibe. So, yes, he does not seem worried.
No one knows what will happen. The Giants will draft who they draft and then we'll see how it plays out over the next few years. I swear, some of you get way too caught up in this stuff. Its almost as if the Giants make the wrong decision, it will impact your life somehow.
if he doesnt like the qbs he needs to trade down
McAdoo notwithstanding (and he was a coach), the Giants are a very loyal franchise. Gettleman should know he has time to rebuild this thing, if that is the way he wants to go. I'm also sure he has gotten the ok from ownership to select a QB, so he won't do that without their blessing.
But I will say this... pick Barkley... and you send an outstanding message to the current team... WIN NOW! SUPERBOWL OR BUST!
Their guys are older, they are pretty set across the board with their rosters. We have a lot of holes.....
Good point. I am just worried about the what if scenario. What if the Giants pass on Darnold and/or Rosen and both go on to become great franchise QB's especially for the Jets. That could bother us for the next 10+ years.
I love Eli so much and he has meant so much to this franchise, but I really hope the Giants will lead with their heads and not their hearts. If in two years we have a Drew Stanton type at QB, are we going to feel that much better about ourselves because we were sentimental to a great guy and great qb who meant so much to us.
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Could work both ways. Experience could be a huge asset and he may feel less pressure because he's not worried about his job.
McAdoo notwithstanding (and he was a coach), the Giants are a very loyal franchise. Gettleman should know he has time to rebuild this thing, if that is the way he wants to go. I'm also sure he has gotten the ok from ownership to select a QB, so he won't do that without their blessing.
When he was hired it was rumored that DG was hired to keep the seat warm for Abrams who needed more experience on the player evaluation and scouting side. If DG plans on retiring in 3 years he might prefer to try to win a SB rather than set this team up for when he isn't around. That is my concern.
That said, he doesn't appear to be worried.
Were the 49ers ruined when they picked Joe Montana in the third round? Were the Patriots ruined when they drafted Brady in the sixth round?
All this first-round QB hysteria is pathetic.
That's an incomplete thought because the real key is how the other ten quality RBs do. This is the deepest draft for RBs in years. And the difference between most of them and Barkley isn't great. So under the circumstances where there also a good crop of QBs, and we have an aging QB, the math says take the QB and find the RB later...
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There is tremendous pressure on Gettleman to get his right. It's probably the biggest decision he will make during his entire football career.
That said, he doesn't appear to be worried.
Were the 49ers ruined when they picked Joe Montana in the third round? Were the Patriots ruined when they drafted Brady in the sixth round?
All this first-round QB hysteria is pathetic.
So are you suggesting we pick a QB at 199 because there is a chance he becomes Tom Brady? Because the stats show that - overwhelmingly - most franchise QBs come from the top of the 1st round.
If the Giants screw this #2 pick up - after botching most of the draft the past decade - we're screwed. Period.
But Gettleman hasn't been in this position before.
why do you believe everything you hear?
I don't think he did.
Well then in my estimation we are screwed. Because we are passing up a QB for Barkley, and that is a huge mistake, one I cannot wrap my head around.
You think it's possible the Giants have been so secretive about this pick they are just running rampant with speculation, or that the pick is actually going to be Barkley because he is the "perfect prospect".
If Shurmer can do the same with any of these QBs (Better yet with Eli and Webb) that he did with Keenum and Bradford. Then that can afford the Giants to get a RB like Barkley or a DE like Chubb who can also fill some needed holes.
My wish is to take back with Denver at #5 then take SB or BC and also gain Denver's 2, 3, & next years 1 or 2 to fill these holes.
Taking a QB tonight does not help NYG for 2018 or 2019 period.
Go Giants!!!
if he doesnt like the qbs he needs to trade down
WTF! Trade down to who? Ok you cant fucking make that comments without backing it up.
The Bill currently have 2 1st round picks, so if you want to trade 2 pick 12 then s fucking be it but you lose out on a premier prospect.
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There is tremendous pressure on Gettleman to get his right. It's probably the biggest decision he will make during his entire football career.
That said, he doesn't appear to be worried.
Were the 49ers ruined when they picked Joe Montana in the third round? Were the Patriots ruined when they drafted Brady in the sixth round?
All this first-round QB hysteria is pathetic.
So are you suggesting we pick a QB at 199 because there is a chance he becomes Tom Brady? Because the stats show that - overwhelmingly - most franchise QBs come from the top of the 1st round.
What??? No, I think we need to get Ol, DB, LB, etc.. We have a guy who we drafted to develop. Eli is here for 2 years at a min. Sorry people, get used to the fact that they believe in Eli still.
If they love a QB, they can take one at #2. (which they may)
Its all a crap shoot at this point.
So 5 QB's went in the 1st and only 1 was anywhere near worth it. You don't think reaching for a QB, only because he was a QB, hurt Cleveland, Cincy, or the rest? Pick the best player, not the best position.
And by the way, I heard this on the radio from a former GM who had the 10th pick in the draft and passed on Culpepper and McCown even though they needed a QB.
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So unless either he or Shurmur are in love with Rosen or Darnold then I fully expect him to trade back.
So I'd say it's 80/20 that he trades back. Whoever gives him the most value with get the #2 pick.
I'm thinking it's Buffalo and the boatload of picks. Especially if their 2019 1st rounder is included
Some big assumptions being made here.
It's going to be a while before anything can be written in stone.
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to stay at 2 and take barkley
if he doesnt like the qbs he needs to trade down
WTF! Trade down to who? Ok you cant fucking make that comments without backing it up.
The Bill currently have 2 1st round picks, so if you want to trade 2 pick 12 then s fucking be it but you lose out on a premier prospect.
He could easily end up like George Rogers with the Saints. Decent numbers, no success and eventually moved elsewhere. We have to build the team.
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While Darnold and Rosen both turn ito busts. What will you say then?
That's an incomplete thought because the real key is how the other ten quality RBs do. This is the deepest draft for RBs in years. And the difference between most of them and Barkley isn't great. So under the circumstances where there also a good crop of QBs, and we have an aging QB, the math says take the QB and find the RB later...
The other RB's don't matter when the decision is between the players available at #2, and who you chose vs who you didn't.
And you only take a QB if you think its the right one. If not, you go in a different direction - because drafting a QB you don't believe in just to draft a QB, can be as problematic as passing on a QB you believe in for something else.
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While Darnold and Rosen both turn ito busts. What will you say then?
That's an incomplete thought because the real key is how the other ten quality RBs do. This is the deepest draft for RBs in years. And the difference between most of them and Barkley isn't great. So under the circumstances where there also a good crop of QBs, and we have an aging QB, the math says take the QB and find the RB later...
The other RB's don't matter when the decision is between the players available at #2, and who you chose vs who you didn't.
And you only take a QB if you think its the right one. If not, you go in a different direction - because drafting a QB you don't believe in just to draft a QB, can be as problematic as passing on a prospect you believe in for something else.
Same here
If we stay put at 2 and select either Barkley or Chubb we are going to be a better team compared to what we were yesterday but the trade down crowd needs to realize we need a "trade partner" and if one one the needy QB teams can't come up far enough and give us a decent haul then basically we need to stay put and choose the guy DG has a conviction in.
They arent trying to trade up to #2 pick in the draft to take a QB. They want in the teens if one falls. Big difference. If we trade back and a QB we like falls then we would jump. Big difference at #2
However, taking a running back with the second pick is just poor strategy, even if he is instantly a top 5 back as Bill Barnwell eloquently explained in his column yesterday. If they aren't taking a quarterback, they have to trade down. There are clearly teams that desperately want these quarterbacks, so I have a very hard time believing a trade is not out there to be made if the Giants choose to go that route.
So 5 QB's went in the 1st and only 1 was anywhere near worth it. You don't think reaching for a QB, only because he was a QB, hurt Cleveland, Cincy, or the rest? Pick the best player, not the best position.
And by the way, I heard this on the radio from a former GM who had the 10th pick in the draft and passed on Culpepper and McCown even though they needed a QB.
Culpepper's career was derailed by injury. He had some really good years and looked like he was going to be awesome. Tim Couch was ruined by an awful Browns team and an interesting stat -- the Browns only drafted 2 o-linemen in the 3 years after Tim Couch was drafted - a 6th rounder and a 7th rounder. Similar to David Carr. Going to an awful team with no o-line can ruin a QB's chances. It actually almost ruined Phil Simms' career. The only guy in that draft who was a huge bust was Akili Smith, and a lot of that was his horrible preparation.
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This draft "could" end up like the 1999 draft. Teams were desperate for a QB so they all reached. The first 3 picks were Couch (bust), McNabb (worth it), and Akili Smith (bust). Also picked in the 1st were Culpepper (Ok but not worth a 1st Rd pick) and Cade McCown (career backup, not worth it).
So 5 QB's went in the 1st and only 1 was anywhere near worth it. You don't think reaching for a QB, only because he was a QB, hurt Cleveland, Cincy, or the rest? Pick the best player, not the best position.
And by the way, I heard this on the radio from a former GM who had the 10th pick in the draft and passed on Culpepper and McCown even though they needed a QB.
Culpepper's career was derailed by injury. He had some really good years and looked like he was going to be awesome. Tim Couch was ruined by an awful Browns team and an interesting stat -- the Browns only drafted 2 o-linemen in the 3 years after Tim Couch was drafted - a 6th rounder and a 7th rounder. Similar to David Carr. Going to an awful team with no o-line can ruin a QB's chances. It actually almost ruined Phil Simms' career. The only guy in that draft who was a huge bust was Akili Smith, and a lot of that was his horrible preparation.
And how is the Giants Oline? You think our Oline might do the same to a qb we draft this year?
And how is the Giants Oline? You think our Oline might do the same to a qb we draft this year?
The difference being that if the Giants do draft a QB he will be a backup this year. This would give the Giants another year to fix the offensive line.