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Polian suggests taking Barkley would be a prudent strategy, despite the fact that running backs have seemingly been devalued in the NFL. Likewise, fortifying the offensive line with Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson would be a more prudent investment of the No. 2 pick than using it on one of the quarterbacks. "Saquon Barkley and Quenton Nelson to the Giants," Polian said. "Based on all of the NFL Draft norms, and this really is an inexact science, but based on all of the norms of the NFL Draft, those are clearly, clearly, clearly the guys with no red flags. There's nothing to nit-pick. "Barkley in particular is tough to pass on for a quarterback who doesn't check nearly every box. Saquon checks every box. The odds of Barkley succeeding are incredibly high. They aren't as high for any of these quarterbacks." |
"3 time winning Superbowl champion QB" is much more telling and epic to this franchise then a up and coming playoff winning QB.
NYG will prob never have this opportunity again.
RBs will be around all day tomorrow...
RB, OT, DE have all been #1 picks, multiple times. I don't know where this logic comes from.
"3 time winning Superbowl champion QB" is much more telling and epic to this franchise then a up and coming playoff winning QB.
NYG will prob never have this opportunity again.
Off of the info I’ve culled, Barkley. Combined with Our receivers and TE, he makes Eli’s job a lot easier. They say his receiving skills are off the charts. Imagine actually converting a 3rd and 2.Imagine the OL and by extension a rested D benefiting as I believe they will. I have ALWAYSbeen against drafting a RB this early. Based on what he brings to the table, I’m all in. Even if Webb is NOT the future goods, he could be more than adequate under the aegis of Shurmur, imo
Theyre way better than 20 year NFL GM's lol
That's a 230 lb man running like a scatback!
No, but RB's are now a much more important part of the passing game. Barkley, like Gurley, could be a lethal addition to the passing attack. Who covers him, usually a LB. What a mismatch. I think in today's wide offenses, RB's are making a big comeback. I point to Gurley, Zeke, Bell, Melvin Gordon, Kamara, etc. as evidence.
T? Sure. DE? Sure.
So if we draft Saquon he will be a mismatch too.
What's holding us back then every year?
So if we draft Saquon he will be a mismatch too.
What's holding us back then every year?
Bad line play, not enough time to allow OBJ and Engram to get separation or complete their routes.
So if we draft Saquon he will be a mismatch too.
What's holding us back then every year?
Bad offensive line play, bad coaching, injuries....
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Engram is a mismatch
So if we draft Saquon he will be a mismatch too.
What's holding us back then every year?
Bad line play, not enough time to allow OBJ and Engram to get separation or complete their routes.
Also no threat of a running game allowing defenses to tee off on Eli with four or five guys and leave 6 or 7 guys deep.
So if we draft Saquon he will be a mismatch too.
What's holding us back then every year?
OBJ is no mismatch if he doesn't have a complementary player, a soft cover two man can stop him if he's the only weaponmajor stop him, stop the iffense.
The 2008 Giants offense was the greatest Giants offense I seen, with Plax and Smith, but without Plax, Walrus and his gameplan farted all over our faces.
Maybe if Eli had a jet pack last year he could have soared above the shifty line and played up to the standard that all of the Josh Rosen fan club has set on this board.
But you're also painting him as THE problem.
Drafting his replacement isn't going to fix all of the problems surrounding him. A rookie QB would likely struggle just as much (if not more) under similar circumstances.
I don't know how many QB's are getting anywhere with the WR group Eli had for 3/4 of last season or a shitty OL that can't protect them.
The position is too important and Eli doesn't make players better around him any longer. I know he has had some bad guy around him but its still my view...
Many people here love Lamar Jackson as a QB prospect. Well, he thinks he should convert to WR. What do you think about that?
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what does Polian know? He hasn't had a good draft in years... BBI logic.
Many people here love Lamar Jackson as a QB prospect. Well, he thinks he should convert to WR. What do you think about that? [/quote
He’s probably right, time will tell. He had a pretty rough combine and pro day. He’s either one of those guys who only looks good in game situations or he’s not going to be that great in the pros and will have to switch positions to maintain a career.
Better not draft Rosen then.
RB, OT, DE have all been #1 picks, multiple times. I don't know where this logic comes from.
Exactly. Some fans and media created this fallacy in the twittersphere and all of a sudden its gospel -despite that it literally doesn't exist because teams are still drafting RB's this high. I guess armchair twitter GM's know more than the professionals.
Off of the info I’ve culled, Barkley. Combined with Our receivers and TE, he makes Eli’s job a lot easier. They say his receiving skills are off the charts. Imagine actually converting a 3rd and 2.Imagine the OL and by extension a rested D benefiting as I believe they will. I have ALWAYSbeen against drafting a RB this early. Based on what he brings to the table, I’m all in. Even if Webb is NOT the future goods, he could be more than adequate under the aegis of Shurmur, imo
Fiddy I think your last point really lit the bulb with me and may throw me into the Barkley camp. Potentially setting up Webb in a year or 2 with a star RB who can do it all (including pick up the blitz) OBJ, Engram and an improved OL is a real good point. He wouldn't have to be Tom Brady with that talent around him.
So if we draft Saquon he will be a mismatch too.
What's holding us back then every year?
Terrible offensive line play, poorly designed offense, bad play calling.
Such a flawed concept.
It's a copycat league. We know this.
Point is, who gives a rat's ass what today's NFL looks like. Bolster what could be an already dangerous offense with the solidification of the O-line.
It makes so much sense to me for the Giants to draft Barkley. He's got the good across the board, would potentially change the game in multiple ways on his own side of the ball, but ALSO would help change the game for his defensive teammates by shortening their day.
How great would it be to be able to hand the ball to a workhorse runner out of the backfield 20 times a Sunday? And get the ball into his hands another 5 times on screens and outs?
I'm all in on Barkley. Would love it if somehow it plays out for the Giants to STILL get him while moving down a slot or two, picking up another pick or two in the process.
Almost too good to be true, that scenario.
Such a flawed concept.
It's a copycat league. We know this.
Point is, who gives a rat's ass what today's NFL looks like. Bolster what could be an already dangerous offense with the solidification of the O-line.
It makes so much sense to me for the Giants to draft Barkley. He's got the good across the board, would potentially change the game in multiple ways on his own side of the ball, but ALSO would help change the game for his defensive teammates by shortening their day.
How great would it be to be able to hand the ball to a workhorse runner out of the backfield 20 times a Sunday? And get the ball into his hands another 5 times on screens and outs?
I'm all in on Barkley. Would love it if somehow it plays out for the Giants to STILL get him while moving down a slot or two, picking up another pick or two in the process.
Almost too good to be true, that scenario.
Good call on the impact on the defense. It’s been a long time since we could actually control the game clock and close out the game in the last 2-4 minutes with a solid running game. I remember losing an incredible amount of games in Coughlin’s last season because we couldn’t run the ball in the fourth quarter and would always set up the opponent with enough time for a game winning drive.
He’s 20, mobile, has played big in big games, and is the quintessential leader.
The Rosen injury thing, is perplexing. I’ve never heard a QB downgraded because he’s taken some hits. Sam Bradford redux I guess. I’m a fan tho. I guess the top end talent like Chubb and Barkley has muddied the water for some of theses guys. Lots of talent making choices many and varied.
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I say support Eli.. get Barkley or replace JPP.
"3 time winning Superbowl champion QB" is much more telling and epic to this franchise then a up and coming playoff winning QB.
NYG will prob never have this opportunity again.
Off of the info I’ve culled, Barkley. Combined with Our receivers and TE, he makes Eli’s job a lot easier. They say his receiving skills are off the charts. Imagine actually converting a 3rd and 2.Imagine the OL and by extension a rested D benefiting as I believe they will. I have ALWAYSbeen against drafting a RB this early. Based on what he brings to the table, I’m all in. Even if Webb is NOT the future goods, he could be more than adequate under the aegis of Shurmur, imo
hell yes. 1 player could be all its needed to make a huge impact on every other area, and Stewart makes a perfect compliment back.
-Calhoun
could go wrong did . The offense had zero continuity in pre-season while we watched the wasted epic battle between two scrub QB's . I am not at all against taking a QB in the first round . Look at the Philly game after the worst flipping disaster we ever witnessed in coaching Eli was
sharp as a tack Vs. The world Champions as much as thats hard to repeat . Eli is still good enough to get it done .
Shore up the line insert Barkley and pray for some health.