The Giants Wire just posted this article, but the source is Walter Football so I guess just take this with a grain of salt (like anything else), but figured I would share it.
Walter Football reports that Mara and Tisch would prefer to see a quarterback drafted at No. 2 overall on Thursday night, and not necessarily someone like Penn State running back Saquon Barkley.
The big mystery of the 2018 NFL Draft is what the Giants will do with the second-overall pick. Ive heard that general manager Dave Gettleman has their top players rated Saquon Barkley, Bradley Chubb, and Quenton Nelson in the top three. However, Ive also heard that the teams owners want the organization to take a quarterback. If Sam Darnold does not go to the Browns, Ive been told that ownership would not want Gettleman to pass on Darnold. That does not mean that Darnold or another quarterback will be the pick, but that is the latest scuttlebutt Ive heard about the Giants. |
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Do what's best for the Giants long-term. It's not a dick-measuring contest with the Jets.
I think this is a scenario where Darnold is there at 2.
But the owners should absolutely not interfere. They hired someone to do this job. Let him do it. Don't meddle.
Lots of misdirection going on right now.
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(not saying you're dumb because that idea might be out there, and it actually is the dumbest idea ever. If the Giants shape their team based upon anything Jets, then they should be contracted immediately.
It's a factor. Wellington hated the Jets and hated getting upstaged by them in the Namath ever. Don't think he didn't pass that down.
In fact, if they make any decision that isn't specifically for the betterment of the Giants, then they're a pack of imbeciles. But, at least, if they made a decision with a team in mind and that team was Philly, Dallas, or Washington, at least that's explainable.
Yeah I should clarify my earlier post. I didn't mean to suggest that I think that because the owners want a QB, that means the Giants definitely take one or that they will ram one down Gettleman's throat. But I think/hope that before they hired Gettleman, Mara and Tisch told him that their desire and best case goal for the future of the franchise is to draft Eli's eventual replacement with the #2 pick of the upcoming draft. We haven't been in this position in 40 years, we don't want to be for another 40 years if we can avoid it, but at least not for another 10. We don't want to go through the post-Simms '90s era again. But we also want to try to make this team better for Eli's couple years to let him go out in the grace he deserves. Can you get on board with those two goals? Can you find us a franchise QB AND -- if there are none available with the # 2 pick -- can you tell us that? And can you still make us a better team without using the #1 pick to provide immediate help to our team?
If the answer is that the Giants' scouting and player personnel departments don't see a potential franchise QB in this draft, the owners won't force DG to take one. But I just don't believe that there isn't a potential franchise QB in this class. The concept that a QB has to have now warts or no red flags to be picked #1 or #2 or in the top #5 just isn't true historically for any one other than Elway (aside from the fact that he refused to play for Baltimore) and Andrew Luck. Every other guy had question marks. Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan -- completion percentage in college. Jameis Winston -- interceptions and serious off-field issues. Marcus Mariota -- can he play in a pro style offense, will he get injured with his relatively slight frame and style of play? Mitch Trubisky -- he's only played 13 games in college, no QB ever succeeds in the NFL when drafted after only a single season as a starting college QB. Carson Wentz missed most of his senior year with an injury--almost as much time as Rosen missed in two years combined. We could go on and on.
Finally, one other thing I'd say is that the Giants can still improve in the short term (and hopefully the long term) even if the pick a QB at #2 overall. They still have 5 other relatively high draft picks, maybe more if they trade Flowers. That can add a lot of depth and a potential immediate starter (possibly 2 but unlikely) to this team. I don't think any additions in the draft will make the Giants a Super Bowl contender this year or probably next year, but they can become respectable, and Eli can go out in class, even if a QB is taken #2 overall.
A Yellow-Jacket-kinda-guy (whoever he is). I have NO idea who Gettleman is talking about, but if that guy is a bust - I mean doesn't produce, like "pronto" (you know how impatient NY is) ....
There'll be nowhere for him to hide.
2. You don't think the owners and Gettleman talked about the plans during the hiring process? Do people think they are coming to the conclusion now? I guarantee that it was discussed when Gettleman was hired.
yahh sure
But John Mara who has been around the NFL his entire life should keep his opinion to himself or even more ridiculous is not capable of making a good decision.
Also having an opinion and expressing it to your GM, is not the same as manipulating the pick.
Wellington wanted to keep Phil Simms. Young wanted Dave Brown. How d that work out.
Mara -- be it Wellie or John, has an opinion that will be heard, but they have always been on record as saying it's the GM and scouts who make the picks. Not ownership, and not coaches (much to Dan Reeves' dismay). You'd hope the GM would have the strength of character and conviction in the process and the board to stand up to owner pressure and the right thing. I think Gettleman does.
If you have Jerry Jones, he is both owner, and pretty much the GM as well. Different story. But they haven't won dick since Johnson was making their picks. Neither has Washington under Snyder, and the Jets . . . their owner is a fool too.
My feeling is that for the Giants to pick, say, Rosen, over Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson, it would be because on Rosen's VISIT to the Giants, he impressed the shit out of them, clicked with Shurmur, and raised his value on the Giants draft board -- at least in their eyes. Did that happen? Who knows?
But let's face it, no draft analyst does ANYTHING like bringing a kid in, putting him on the whiteboard, and picking his brain about specifics (other than occasionally Mooch). The analysts look at the tape, the medicals, and the chatter. The teams do MORE homework than that. And Mara and Tisch have met with some of these kids and may well have opinions.
But I'd be surprised if they don't let their GM do his job.
But John Mara who has been around the NFL his entire life should keep his opinion to himself or even more ridiculous is not capable of making a good decision.
Also having an opinion and expressing it to your GM, is not the same as manipulating the pick.
Wellington wanted to keep Phil Simms. Young wanted Dave Brown. How d that work out.
This is a very ridiculous comparison.
We have no contact with Dave Gettleman and nothing we say has any impact on anything he does.
Trade down a little,take Barkley
Take Chubb at 2
Trade down,take Chubb
Owners want a QB?
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Hearing there are #Jets coaches making a late push for Josh Allen. Buckle up, folks.
This crap again?
They will do what's best for the Giants.
They don't give a flying fuck about the Jets.
If they let the Jets determine the coa for the Giants then this organization is in more disarray than we thought.
Giants fans have a far bigger bug up their ass about the Jets than the team does.
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Hearing there are #Jets coaches making a late push for Josh Allen. Buckle up, folks.
Must be those tweets.
Gettleman must make decisions tonight that are consistent with winning championships as soon as possible.
2. You don't think the owners and Gettleman talked about the plans during the hiring process? Do people think they are coming to the conclusion now? I guarantee that it was discussed when Gettleman was hired.
Yes, but Gettleman can simply say that after all the film review and analysis none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
Noine out of ten times this shit it false rumor horse shit.
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And the owner tells me who to pick, I hand in my resignation.
I've had the sense Mara interferes in this team more than Wellington ever did before George Young. And I believe ownership interference is the most likely cause of the horrible draft record over the past decade.
Whenever anyone asks about Giants' ownership's role in the draft, all we ever hear is a response something along the line of: "It's a process with input from everyone until we get a consensus". Well that's a bunch of horse snot. If the owner makes his desires known, there aren't many who are going to tell him to "fuck off".
I would hope Gettleman took this job with the express agreement of ownership that they would keep their opinions of college football talent to themselves. But I doubt that is the case.
It would not be surprising if the ultimate decision of tonight's pick is made by Mara. Just like it would not be surprising to learn he's played that role in every first round over the past decade.
It seems like DG is able to say F off to the owner. Why he no longer with Carolina.
Look at James Dolan. He owns both the Knicks and Rangers, but he has played much different roles regarding each team. He has done a TON of meddling in the Knicks affairs over the years and it has never worked out. He's not a scout, he doesn't understand roster construction. He's just a brat who was handed the keys to his fathers business.
The Rangers, on the other hand, he has largely stayed away from and let the front office people do their jobs. The Rangers haven't won a Cup since 94 - but they've been one of the most competitive teams in the NHL over the last decade.
It's fine for John Mara to state a preference. I don't expect him not to. But it should end there and hopefully it has.
The time for Mara to assert himself would have been last December when he allowed Spagnuolo to coach as if wins mattered and he had a realistic shot at the job opening.
Mara totally screwed up every aspect of the Eli situation. Let Gettleman and Shurmur decide if they're taking a QB, and if so, which one.
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to trade right?
It is completely possible giants leaked that to get teams to start bidding in the pick...
No way! Everyone knows that Mara and Tisch are telling anyone with a working ear that they HAVE to have a QB no matter what!
Gimme a break...
I'm sure this will lead to some insisting on doom and gloom if/when they DO take a QB, but it's more than likely this is a steaming pile of horse shit. PAr for the course. Is it fucking 8pm yet?
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1. Mara said it November of 2017. Time to start scouting the college QB's.
2. You don't think the owners and Gettleman talked about the plans during the hiring process? Do people think they are coming to the conclusion now? I guarantee that it was discussed when Gettleman was hired.
Yes, but Gettleman can simply say that after all the film review and analysis none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
But it's not true there aren't any franchise qbs... There may be three.
Mara and Tisch have every right to make their opinions known. They own the team, it's their business.
But if they want it to succeed, they should hit the brakes right about there.
We've been laughing at Daniel Snyder for years now for thinking he's a football guy and getting involved in personnel. The Redskins have spent most of his tenure in the cellar of this division because he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.
Yup. I'm sure Mara wants to keep paying Eli 15-20 million dollars no matter what.
Keep thinking when your head in the sand. In the real world money talks, BS walks. That's not to say that Mara doesn't believe in Eli or want him to succeed here but your viewpoints on this are hysterical. Mara wants a younger cheaper QB that can sell jerseys and tickets and win games. You can bet your ass on that.
Trade #2 to the Jets for #3 along with their 1st next year
Jets - Darnold
Trade #3 to the Broncos for #5 and some more
Broncos - Rosen
Browns Trade #4 to the Bills, who take Allen
We end up with Barkley or Chubb anyways, along with a boatload of draft capital
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Rosen?
I think this is a scenario where Darnold is there at 2.
Thanks Jeff. I still expect the Browns to select Darnold so I guess its back to the Barkley rumors at 2.
Keep thinking when your head in the sand. In the real world money talks, BS walks. That's not to say that Mara doesn't believe in Eli or want him to succeed here but your viewpoints on this are hysterical. Mara wants a younger cheaper QB that can sell jerseys and tickets and win games. You can bet your ass on that.
I think Mara's drive for profitability is only matched by his sentimentality for Eli. So he likely thinks he can sell an enormous amount of Barkley jerseys...
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Hearing there are #Jets coaches making a late push for Josh Allen. Buckle up, folks.
Must be those tweets.
Woody Johnson is part of the Trump adminstration so those tweets upped his rating on their board lol.