Report: Giants owners want a QB at no. 2

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Make it happen!

And the owner tells me who to pick, I hand in my resignation.

if Darnold is there DG needs to be blown away...maybe BUF does something crazy

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the shit would Walter Football know about the owner's thoughts?

The owners meddling in the team. This always ends well.... Didn't Wellington get a mandate from the league in the 80s for the same meddling????

Owners tend to get what they want.

Likely the reason they were both meeting with Rosen, and probably didn't expect Darnold to be available. He may be now depending on if you believe the rumors.

But does Walter Football have intel on NYG sources?

to trade right?

at the start of the offseason Ownership were idiots, played it safe with DG, were a huge part of the Eli benching fiasco, keep their relatives to involved in scouting etc. but, with this one report they are suddenly the voices of reason and football knowledge...

Got it.

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Mara and Tisch shouldn't be making any decisions about which football players to take. For better or worse that's what DG is supposed to do.

as the kind of guy that is willing to be the owners puppet.

are those who still believe the owners don't have a say. I find that difficult to believe (for better or worse).

They're emotion driven Jerry Jones clones, let Gettleman do what he's paid to do - make the hard decisions. If HE wants a QB, so be it; otherwise, stay out of it, Bozos

especially with Ernie in the room.

I find it unsettling if the owners are still calling the shots. This should be Dave Gettleman's decision. Not theirs.

but if that headline read: Jerry Jones wants a [insert whatever here] with the Cowboys top pick or Daniel Snyder wants a [insert whatever here] with the Redskins top pick the posts would all be things like LOL Redskins or stuff like that.

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to trade right?

It is completely possible giants leaked that to get teams to start bidding in the pick...

People blast them for going along with Eli benching and not putting a stop to it and blast them when the do step in.

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are those who still believe the owners don't have a say. I find that difficult to believe (for better or worse).

Agree but I think that conversation would have happened before DG was hired

In comment 13933937 Manny in CA said:

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They're emotion driven Jerry Jones clones, let Gettleman do what he's paid to do - make the hard decisions. If HE wants a QB, so be it; otherwise, stay out of it, Bozos

Exactly what I was thinking, well I went Dan Snyder instead of Jerry Jones, but exactly what I was thinking.

I'm sure for future/face of the franchise decisions, there's a lot of collaboration between ownership and GM. Just like in any big organization. If DG wants to replace Eli with X, or not - he'll probably explain his reasoning to the owners, they'll have some dialogue, and a collaborative decision will get made. Sounds reasonable. I'd seriously doubt an owner like Mara is barking orders at DG.

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People blast them for going along with Eli benching and not putting a stop to it and blast them when the do step in.

Slightly different situations, no?

I don�t think their track record is all that good. But it certainly could happen.

Gettleman will make the decision. Period. End of story

What's the point of Gettleman.

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as the kind of guy that is willing to be the owners puppet.

DG was fired by Carolina by the owner for not going along with what he wanted to do. Why would he come to the Giants situation if ownership was going to pull the same nonsense?

I call BS on this article.

smoke. Wouldn�t believe much of anything at this point.

All owners have some level of involvement. They sign off on the big decisions and make their preferences known. No one runs a business without any involvement.

A report not even an hour ago said were looking to trade down

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are those who still believe the owners don't have a say. I find that difficult to believe (for better or worse).

Mara let McAdoo bench Eli for freakin Geno Smith, so... Mra seems to choose when to interject in things

I'm waiting for Ray to drop a Ben "tough as a boot" Fricke reference.

If the Giants don't take a QB and the Jets take Darnold or Rosen, they don't like the agita they will receive down the road.

that Mara and Tisch are open to the QB while DG, who strikes me as a single-minded sort of follow, sees his job as to win. On September 9 against the Jags.

It may well have been M & T who mandated that all of the QBs be brought in for the visits.

Question may be how much latitude M & T think they have to give to DG in his first big moment.

Still hoping for Rosen, but I will not complain with Darnold.

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And the owner tells me who to pick, I hand in my resignation.

I've had the sense Mara interferes in this team more than Wellington ever did before George Young. And I believe ownership interference is the most likely cause of the horrible draft record over the past decade.

Whenever anyone asks about Giants' ownership's role in the draft, all we ever hear is a response something along the line of: "It's a process with input from everyone until we get a consensus". Well that's a bunch of horse snot. If the owner makes his desires known, there aren't many who are going to tell him to "fuck off".

I would hope Gettleman took this job with the express agreement of ownership that they would keep their opinions of college football talent to themselves. But I doubt that is the case.

It would not be surprising if the ultimate decision of tonight's pick is made by Mara. Just like it would not be surprising to learn he's played that role in every first round over the past decade.

It starts by saying they generally don't force decisions on their GM. It sais a QB is their preference but also says that doesn't mean it will be a QB, meaning they are not saying they are forcing it on DG. Yet post after post ripping them for what the article does not say is the case.

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Still hoping for Rosen, but I will not complain with Darnold.

Agree.

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And the owner tells me who to pick, I hand in my resignation.

EXACTLY! And given Gettleman's history with the Carolina ownership, I think he would do just that.

why you would think the owners wouldn't have any input on a franchise shaping draft pick

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And the owner tells me who to pick, I hand in my resignation.

Agreed

to get a QB I am good with.

is going to run this draft.

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In comment 13933912 David B. said: Quote: And the owner tells me who to pick, I hand in my resignation. EXACTLY! And given Gettleman's history with the Carolina ownership, I think he would do just that.

Let him walk.

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why you would think the owners wouldn't have any input on a franchise shaping draft pick

;)

are completely out of the loop.

let him manage the friggen team

chances at running a team. Nobody's hiring a guy who got fired in one place for disagreeing with ownership and then quit another for the same reason.

let him manage the friggen team

happened there

Barkley but I think Eli is shot and I don't like Webb at all. We have a chance to lock up a QB and we have to. We just have to.

DG wants a QB as well. I have been saying for weeks here:

drafting a RB at 2 is stupidity

They can suggest whatever they want - but ultimately, the choice is Gettleman's.

I'd prefer the owners let the football people make the football decisions. That's all.

Let the guy you hired to run the draft run the fucking draft.

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They can suggest whatever they want - but ultimately, the choice is Gettleman's. I'd prefer the owners let the football people make the football decisions. That's all.

Usually, owners should stay out. But this is not a usual situation. Not only are the Giants picking 2 with an aging QB, but the Jets are picking right behind them with a QB vacancy. Business and public relations concerns are involved. If an owner can veto picking up a player because of public relations concerns, why can't he veto a pick because of that.

if you want a QB, then you're okay with Jerry Jones being the owner. And if you're not wedded to one, or don't want one, you think that the professionals should do their jobs.

(not saying you're dumb because that idea might be out there, and it actually is the dumbest idea ever. If the Giants shape their team based upon anything Jets, then they should be contracted immediately.

this is the actual case. Maybe Gettleman has a few players closely lumped and the owners would like him to go with the QB.

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(not saying you're dumb because that idea might be out there, and it actually is the dumbest idea ever. If the Giants shape their team based upon anything Jets, then they should be contracted immediately.

It's a factor. Wellington hated the Jets and hated getting upstaged by them in the Namath ever. Don't think he didn't pass that down.

"Ownership, Gettleman and new head coach Pat Shurmur all have placed a heavy emphasis on playing at least two more years with Eli Manning at quarterback, and all of their actions this offseason have pointed to arming this Giants team to turn around from its 3-13 season and try to win a third Super Bowl with Manning."
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there still is no evidence Gettleman doesn�t want a QB. Even the usual suspects have stated they have heard very little about the QBs, which is what Gettleman May want to be happening.

Rosen?

The Giants should not have the Jets in mind with anything they do. I'm sorry, but stuff like that is setting yourself up to fail.

Do what's best for the Giants long-term. It's not a dick-measuring contest with the Jets.

of those things you probably will never know the truth about.

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Rosen?

I think this is a scenario where Darnold is there at 2.

does Walter Football know what the Giants owners are thinking or want?

But the owners should absolutely not interfere. They hired someone to do this job. Let him do it. Don't meddle.

gettlemen to beane "sorry my bosses want a QB. If you want the #2 you might have to sweeten that deal. maybe i can talk them into it?"

Lots of misdirection going on right now.

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In comment 13934059 Bill L said: Quote: (not saying you're dumb because that idea might be out there, and it actually is the dumbest idea ever. If the Giants shape their team based upon anything Jets, then they should be contracted immediately. It's a factor. Wellington hated the Jets and hated getting upstaged by them in the Namath ever. Don't think he didn't pass that down.

He can hate who he wants. If the team makes a singe football decision with the Jets in mind, they should be contracted.

In fact, if they make any decision that isn't specifically for the betterment of the Giants, then they're a pack of imbeciles. But, at least, if they made a decision with a team in mind and that team was Philly, Dallas, or Washington, at least that's explainable.

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I'm sure for future/face of the franchise decisions, there's a lot of collaboration between ownership and GM. Just like in any big organization. If DG wants to replace Eli with X, or not - he'll probably explain his reasoning to the owners, they'll have some dialogue, and a collaborative decision will get made. Sounds reasonable. I'd seriously doubt an owner like Mara is barking orders at DG.

Yeah I should clarify my earlier post. I didn't mean to suggest that I think that because the owners want a QB, that means the Giants definitely take one or that they will ram one down Gettleman's throat. But I think/hope that before they hired Gettleman, Mara and Tisch told him that their desire and best case goal for the future of the franchise is to draft Eli's eventual replacement with the #2 pick of the upcoming draft. We haven't been in this position in 40 years, we don't want to be for another 40 years if we can avoid it, but at least not for another 10. We don't want to go through the post-Simms '90s era again. But we also want to try to make this team better for Eli's couple years to let him go out in the grace he deserves. Can you get on board with those two goals? Can you find us a franchise QB AND -- if there are none available with the # 2 pick -- can you tell us that? And can you still make us a better team without using the #1 pick to provide immediate help to our team?

If the answer is that the Giants' scouting and player personnel departments don't see a potential franchise QB in this draft, the owners won't force DG to take one. But I just don't believe that there isn't a potential franchise QB in this class. The concept that a QB has to have now warts or no red flags to be picked #1 or #2 or in the top #5 just isn't true historically for any one other than Elway (aside from the fact that he refused to play for Baltimore) and Andrew Luck. Every other guy had question marks. Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan -- completion percentage in college. Jameis Winston -- interceptions and serious off-field issues. Marcus Mariota -- can he play in a pro style offense, will he get injured with his relatively slight frame and style of play? Mitch Trubisky -- he's only played 13 games in college, no QB ever succeeds in the NFL when drafted after only a single season as a starting college QB. Carson Wentz missed most of his senior year with an injury--almost as much time as Rosen missed in two years combined. We could go on and on.

Finally, one other thing I'd say is that the Giants can still improve in the short term (and hopefully the long term) even if the pick a QB at #2 overall. They still have 5 other relatively high draft picks, maybe more if they trade Flowers. That can add a lot of depth and a potential immediate starter (possibly 2 but unlikely) to this team. I don't think any additions in the draft will make the Giants a Super Bowl contender this year or probably next year, but they can become respectable, and Eli can go out in class, even if a QB is taken #2 overall.

They want a QB whoopie !! DG will make the pick or trade it. I'm sure he's aware what the owners want. He will make his best call with all info available.

Are always predictable and Boring. Their pick comes in about a minute after the pick before them is announced.

A Yellow-Jacket-kinda-guy (whoever he is). I have NO idea who Gettleman is talking about, but if that guy is a bust - I mean doesn't produce, like "pronto" (you know how impatient NY is) ....

There'll be nowhere for him to hide.

For the Browns to take Darnold at 1 if this is true. No way we take Allen now. That leaves my favorite QBs in the draft. I would be giddy all off season if we draft Rosen or Mayfield.

Ole Johnnie Mara is all in on the Eli Preservation Project.

1. Mara said it November of 2017. Time to start scouting the college QB's.

2. You don't think the owners and Gettleman talked about the plans during the hiring process? Do people think they are coming to the conclusion now? I guarantee that it was discussed when Gettleman was hired.

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And the owner tells me who to pick, I hand in my resignation.

yahh sure

To be over.

And we are all pretty convicted we are right.

But John Mara who has been around the NFL his entire life should keep his opinion to himself or even more ridiculous is not capable of making a good decision.

Also having an opinion and expressing it to your GM, is not the same as manipulating the pick.

Wellington wanted to keep Phil Simms. Young wanted Dave Brown. How d that work out.

Accorsi walked. And rightfully so.

Mara -- be it Wellie or John, has an opinion that will be heard, but they have always been on record as saying it's the GM and scouts who make the picks. Not ownership, and not coaches (much to Dan Reeves' dismay). You'd hope the GM would have the strength of character and conviction in the process and the board to stand up to owner pressure and the right thing. I think Gettleman does.

If you have Jerry Jones, he is both owner, and pretty much the GM as well. Different story. But they haven't won dick since Johnson was making their picks. Neither has Washington under Snyder, and the Jets . . . their owner is a fool too.


My feeling is that for the Giants to pick, say, Rosen, over Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson, it would be because on Rosen's VISIT to the Giants, he impressed the shit out of them, clicked with Shurmur, and raised his value on the Giants draft board -- at least in their eyes. Did that happen? Who knows?

But let's face it, no draft analyst does ANYTHING like bringing a kid in, putting him on the whiteboard, and picking his brain about specifics (other than occasionally Mooch). The analysts look at the tape, the medicals, and the chatter. The teams do MORE homework than that. And Mara and Tisch have met with some of these kids and may well have opinions.

But I'd be surprised if they don't let their GM do his job.

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And we are all pretty convicted we are right. But John Mara who has been around the NFL his entire life should keep his opinion to himself or even more ridiculous is not capable of making a good decision. Also having an opinion and expressing it to your GM, is not the same as manipulating the pick. Wellington wanted to keep Phil Simms. Young wanted Dave Brown. How d that work out.

This is a very ridiculous comparison.

We have no contact with Dave Gettleman and nothing we say has any impact on anything he does.

Take Barkley at 2
Trade down a little,take Barkley
Take Chubb at 2
Trade down,take Chubb

Owners want a QB?

Lock owners out of War Room

The Giants have done a masterful job at keeping everyone confused. In the end some reporters will be right and others wrong. That doesn�t mean they had the true inside info. They have literally put out they like ALL of the top picks. I like this new regime. If it was Reese everyone would know exactly who we were picking by now.

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If the Giants don't take a QB and the Jets take Darnold or Rosen, they don't like the agita they will receive down the road.

This crap again?

They will do what's best for the Giants.

They don't give a flying fuck about the Jets.

If they let the Jets determine the coa for the Giants then this organization is in more disarray than we thought.

Giants fans have a far bigger bug up their ass about the Jets than the team does.

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Matt Miller � Verified account @nfldraftscout Follow Follow @nfldraftscout More Hearing there are #Jets coaches making a late push for Josh Allen. Buckle up, folks.

Must be those tweets.

I think this has been a big part of the problem over the past decade and Jerry Reese's inability to stand up to them was part of his failure as a GM. Gettleman is paid to win championships and must be given the resources and authority to do this without interference from the owners. Scapegoating Gilbride and Coughlin and then hiring McAdoo simply would never have happened under a competent GM.

Gettleman must make decisions tonight that are consistent with winning championships as soon as possible.

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1. Mara said it November of 2017. Time to start scouting the college QB's. 2. You don't think the owners and Gettleman talked about the plans during the hiring process? Do people think they are coming to the conclusion now? I guarantee that it was discussed when Gettleman was hired.

Yes, but Gettleman can simply say that after all the film review and analysis none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.

don't believe any of this shit. Go by what actually happens not by what you read on the interwebs.

Noine out of ten times this shit it false rumor horse shit.

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In comment 13933912 David B. said: Quote: And the owner tells me who to pick, I hand in my resignation. I've had the sense Mara interferes in this team more than Wellington ever did before George Young. And I believe ownership interference is the most likely cause of the horrible draft record over the past decade. Whenever anyone asks about Giants' ownership's role in the draft, all we ever hear is a response something along the line of: "It's a process with input from everyone until we get a consensus". Well that's a bunch of horse snot. If the owner makes his desires known, there aren't many who are going to tell him to "fuck off". I would hope Gettleman took this job with the express agreement of ownership that they would keep their opinions of college football talent to themselves. But I doubt that is the case. It would not be surprising if the ultimate decision of tonight's pick is made by Mara. Just like it would not be surprising to learn he's played that role in every first round over the past decade.

It seems like DG is able to say F off to the owner. Why he no longer with Carolina.

Look, no one is naive enough to think owners have zero input. The point is, there are different levels of input.

Look at James Dolan. He owns both the Knicks and Rangers, but he has played much different roles regarding each team. He has done a TON of meddling in the Knicks affairs over the years and it has never worked out. He's not a scout, he doesn't understand roster construction. He's just a brat who was handed the keys to his fathers business.

The Rangers, on the other hand, he has largely stayed away from and let the front office people do their jobs. The Rangers haven't won a Cup since 94 - but they've been one of the most competitive teams in the NHL over the last decade.

It's fine for John Mara to state a preference. I don't expect him not to. But it should end there and hopefully it has.

The guy writing checks says it is. The Giants operate by consensus in many things, and that's what Gettleman knew coming in. The idea that a billionaire owner is ever fully hands off is a total fantasy.

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You think he has that title for fun? The Mara's pick the players. I'm sure they'll listen to their new GM and he might even convince them who to pick sometimes. But they're picking the #1 draft pick, they're picking the head coach. It's all they do. They have no other businesses to run. It's what their father did until their uncle forced him to stop. Those days are over now.

I would really feel uncomfortable with him influencing the pick which is obviously much different.

The time for Mara to assert himself would have been last December when he allowed Spagnuolo to coach as if wins mattered and he had a realistic shot at the job opening.

Mara totally screwed up every aspect of the Eli situation. Let Gettleman and Shurmur decide if they're taking a QB, and if so, which one.

Now if DB picks a QB he will look a figurehead GM.

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In comment 13933923 Chef said: Quote: to trade right? It is completely possible giants leaked that to get teams to start bidding in the pick...

No way! Everyone knows that Mara and Tisch are telling anyone with a working ear that they HAVE to have a QB no matter what!

Gimme a break...

I'm sure this will lead to some insisting on doom and gloom if/when they DO take a QB, but it's more than likely this is a steaming pile of horse shit. PAr for the course. Is it fucking 8pm yet?

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Now if DB picks a QB he will look a figurehead GM.

DG

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In comment 13934124 Keith said: Quote: 1. Mara said it November of 2017. Time to start scouting the college QB's. 2. You don't think the owners and Gettleman talked about the plans during the hiring process? Do people think they are coming to the conclusion now? I guarantee that it was discussed when Gettleman was hired. Yes, but Gettleman can simply say that after all the film review and analysis none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.

But it's not true there aren't any franchise qbs... There may be three.

Both will be All-Pros for years. Not interested in Barkley at #2 with talent like Chubb and Nelson on the board. If I thought Barkley was the next Dorsett or Marcus Allen (forget about Jim Brown or Sayers), I'd say, okay, take him. But I don't think he is.

I would say the smartest thing owners can do is hire good football people who have football backgrounds and have experience in scouting players and constructing rosters and leave them to handle the personnel.

Mara and Tisch have every right to make their opinions known. They own the team, it's their business.

But if they want it to succeed, they should hit the brakes right about there.

We've been laughing at Daniel Snyder for years now for thinking he's a football guy and getting involved in personnel. The Redskins have spent most of his tenure in the cellar of this division because he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.

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Ole Johnnie Mara is all in on the Eli Preservation Project.

Yup. I'm sure Mara wants to keep paying Eli 15-20 million dollars no matter what.

Keep thinking when your head in the sand. In the real world money talks, BS walks. That's not to say that Mara doesn't believe in Eli or want him to succeed here but your viewpoints on this are hysterical. Mara wants a younger cheaper QB that can sell jerseys and tickets and win games. You can bet your ass on that.

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Both will be All-Pros for years. Not interested in Barkley at #2 with talent like Chubb and Nelson on the board. If I thought Barkley was the next Dorsett or Marcus Allen (forget about Jim Brown or Sayers), I'd say, okay, take him. But I don't think he is.

Given their relative rankings and evaluation scores, what makes you think that Chubb and Nelson will be all-pro's but Barkley not (that being you're only criterion for not drafting him)?

Brown - Mayfield

Trade #2 to the Jets for #3 along with their 1st next year

Jets - Darnold

Trade #3 to the Broncos for #5 and some more

Broncos - Rosen

Browns Trade #4 to the Bills, who take Allen

We end up with Barkley or Chubb anyways, along with a boatload of draft capital

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Let the guy you hired to run the draft run the fucking draft.

Totally agree with you, but thought all along this could be the scenario. Mara is supposed to run the FB end of this partnership but may be going along with this. Anything is possible after what he did to his old time buddy Coughlin and ELI last year. Think it will be Rosen myself . Have for a while.

would take anything Walter Football says as remotely credible.

No reason to believe much of what's on there.

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In comment 13934076 GFAN52 said: Quote: Rosen? I think this is a scenario where Darnold is there at 2.

Thanks Jeff. I still expect the Browns to select Darnold so I guess it�s back to the Barkley rumors at 2.

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Keep thinking when your head in the sand. In the real world money talks, BS walks. That's not to say that Mara doesn't believe in Eli or want him to succeed here but your viewpoints on this are hysterical. Mara wants a younger cheaper QB that can sell jerseys and tickets and win games. You can bet your ass on that.

I think Mara's drive for profitability is only matched by his sentimentality for Eli. So he likely thinks he can sell an enormous amount of Barkley jerseys...

They have been a big part of the problem. Mara should STFU and let the professionals make the decisions

Regardless of whether or not you want a QB or Barkley you should agree ownership should pick the leadership and get out of the fucking way. This is how we got McAdoo.

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In comment 13934163 Ryan in Albany said: Quote: Matt Miller � Verified account @nfldraftscout Follow Follow @nfldraftscout More Hearing there are #Jets coaches making a late push for Josh Allen. Buckle up, folks. Must be those tweets.

Woody Johnson is part of the Trump adminstration so those tweets upped his rating on their board lol.