All of the barkley supporters

In comment 13934252 firedbytheboss said:

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In comment 13934240 The 12th Man said: Quote: In comment 13934004 NYSports1 said: Quote: In comment 13933984 Eric from BBI said: Quote: not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window ) So when videos of the qb's highlights are put out we call it cherry picking but this SB video is suppose to make it cool to draft him. He wont be juking NFL defenders like that. I can assure you of that. Yeah, Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson, Adrian Peterson, etc.. did not juke any defenders. Your a moron. The kid is an excellent prospect. If we choose to pick Barkley Giants fans will be very happy for years to come. If we choose Darnold or Chubb or another quality prospect I hope they to will be successful for us. Barkley is the best player as of right now in this draft. Let me be real clear.. Barkley is a nice prospect but he is not the best player in this draft when you consider positional value and replacement value.

That is debatable and you can't say that without any certainty or definitiveness. He is widely regarded as the top talent, the best player in the draft. Almost everyone agrees on that point, from public quotes of scouts, coaches, and pundits. The first thing that matters is talent. If you draft a middling QB and Barkley ends up being one of the best players at his position in the NFL, you have made a mistake. Positional and replacement value only matters if you end up with close to as good a Quarterback as the the player is you passed on. If you miss, it's a waste.

But hey, don't let me stop you from making the same short-sighted post you've made here 382 times already, though.

You are the ones who are the ball lickers!

In comment 13934252 firedbytheboss said:

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Let me be real clear.. Barkley is a nice prospect but he is not the best player in this draft when you consider positional value and replacement value.

Oh yes he is, no matter how you try to filter it. He is the best player in the draft, period. Every scout, front office and prognosticator says so. Virtually unanimous.

is a benchmark for the way the Giants view Eli. Eli's story is pretty simple in terms of his age and the way he's played the last few years. There won't be any big changes this year. I believe this pick has much more to say about the way Giants view Webb (and his future).

We don't know what the OL will play like because it will be different players this year so how can people say it will suck in April. This team has more weapons in the receivers then that 2008 team. Teams will not be able bring their safeties up to stop the run game or the TEs and WRs will kill them. Eli only threw for 3200 yards and 21 tds that year. Let Eli go out and win his 3rd Super Bowl and guarantee a Hall of fame bust.

In comment 13934273 allstarjim said:

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In comment 13934252 firedbytheboss said: Quote: In comment 13934240 The 12th Man said: Quote: In comment 13934004 NYSports1 said: Quote: In comment 13933984 Eric from BBI said: Quote: not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window ) So when videos of the qb's highlights are put out we call it cherry picking but this SB video is suppose to make it cool to draft him. He wont be juking NFL defenders like that. I can assure you of that. Yeah, Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson, Adrian Peterson, etc.. did not juke any defenders. Your a moron. The kid is an excellent prospect. If we choose to pick Barkley Giants fans will be very happy for years to come. If we choose Darnold or Chubb or another quality prospect I hope they to will be successful for us. Barkley is the best player as of right now in this draft. Let me be real clear.. Barkley is a nice prospect but he is not the best player in this draft when you consider positional value and replacement value. That is debatable and you can't say that without any certainty or definitiveness. He is widely regarded as the top talent, the best player in the draft. Almost everyone agrees on that point, from public quotes of scouts, coaches, and pundits. The first thing that matters is talent. If you draft a middling QB and Barkley ends up being one of the best players at his position in the NFL, you have made a mistake. Positional and replacement value only matters if you end up with close to as good a Quarterback as the the player is you passed on. If you miss, it's a waste. But hey, don't let me stop you from making the same short-sighted post you've made here 382 times already, though.

I sure Barkley will be really good. There are many analysts wbo think he is going to be excellent and still view him as bad value at 2. I don't know who you call rosen mayfield and darnold middling prospects. They're excellent prospects. Ans if you hit on one who emerges as elite we can be the next patriots. That's what we all want. Barkley can nwver offer that kind of upside.

In comment 13934232 firedbytheboss said:

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In comment 13934134 Zepp said: Quote: We are not going to take a generational talent like Barkley because we are worried about contracts down the road? Oh well #2 picks are only for QB's, LT's and DE's? Well then I guess we would've been sh1t out of luck with LT right. Yeah I'm passing over Lawrence Taylor because the #2 spot is only for QB's. This is not hard guys. This is about winning, not managerial accounting, and its not saving for a rainy day. This is about WINNING. There is absolutely ZERO doubt in most peoples minds that Barkley will help you do that by a long shot. He helps Eli, helps the oline, helps OBJ, Engram, Sheppard and guess what? He helps the defense. If Barkley is not there and everything else is the same then yeah maybe we look at Chubb or even QB. But when you have Marshall friggin Faulk staring at you in the face, a HOF caliber prospect you DO NOT PASS ON HIM!!!!!!! The draft is about getting players that can have an impact. Best Player Available. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD!!!! Sometimes you can over think things too much. Zepp.. Finally starting to sweat this one huh? I've been saying for weeks the mathematical choice is qb. And it's the choice to make if you care about winning. It's gonna be a long night for the Barkley crowd. Sorry. Nothing but a whole lotta love for ya

I'm not sweating at all cuz I'm confident its gonna be Barkley. I just don't understand why all the Barkley haters can't see it.

It'll be fun watching your excuses tonight and how you trash DG and everyone else on the Giants.

Classic BBI unintentional irony.

In comment 13934280 section125 said:

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In comment 13934252 firedbytheboss said: Quote: Let me be real clear.. Barkley is a nice prospect but he is not the best player in this draft when you consider positional value and replacement value. Oh yes he is, no matter how you try to filter it. He is the best player in the draft, period. Every scout, front office and prognosticator says so. Virtually unanimous.

No it is not unanimous. You just live in a bubble where that is all you are hearing.. 538 and Barnwell for instance debunked that notion just yesterday.

Let's not forget that the runners on that good running team were a 4th rounder,7th rounder and a free agent. Running backs are not hard to find and you don't need the best one to win. Quarterback is another story.

He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back.

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In comment 13934162 Jan in DC said: Quote: makes him the highest paid RB in the NFL. I would prefer that we take a QB or trade down. But I'm just someone with a keyboard and internet connection, so wtf do I know. This is flat out incorrect.

Oops. Meant to put "one of the highest".

My point still stands though.

In comment 13934301 NY-Fan said:

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He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back.

Exactly. Yeah you can find a good back anywhere if you luck out. This is a slam dunk great one. You don't pass him up especially when you have other pieces already.

Cuz you're QB is 37? So what Barkley helps him win..TODAY. Forget 3 years from now. After Eli has won his 3rd Super Bowl ala John Elway with Terrell Davis then you can worry about successors.

In comment 13934301 NY-Fan said:

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He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back.

He may or may not be very special. There are some knocks on his game. But even if he is, a 12 year playoff qb is more valuable in this league than an elite runner. Please compare matt ryan to Chris Johnson, who came out in the same draft.

In comment 13934297 firedbytheboss said:

No it is not unanimous. You just live in a bubble where that is all you are hearing.. 538 and Barnwell for instance debunked that notion just yesterday. [/quote]

I said virtually. And I don't care what some clickbait websites conjure up. Barkley is the best prospect in the draft.

And I don't live in a bubble, like you. I am actually a Rosen for QB over Darnold fan. But as far as best football player in the draft, there is Barkley and then there is everyone else (and they are very, very good either.)

I guess I can be called a Barkley supporter because he is the only player in the top tier of my "board." The question for me is how much difference there is between Barkley's tier and the next tier that has Darnold, Mayfield, Chubb, Nelson, Smith, and Vea in no particular order. I personally think Darnold and Mayfield have the best chance at being the most successful QB's in this draft all else being equal, getting the necessary development before being thrown into the fire, etc. That all being said, I am not sure we are looking at a "franchise" QB who basically makes the offense playoff caliber just by having him on the field. I think you are looking more at QB's whose ultimate potential is Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, etc. who can get you far into the playoffs and maybe even win it all, but they are more dependent on the players around them for success. The key for our first round pick, whether it is at #2 or we have traded down, is that we need to hit with this pick regardless of position. Ideally we get a combination of hitting on the pick and important position like QB, LT, DE, etc., but I would rather hit on a lesser position like RB or OG than taking a bust at an important position.

In comment 13934327 firedbytheboss said:

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In comment 13934301 NY-Fan said: Quote: He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back. He may or may not be very special. There are some knocks on his game. But even if he is, a 12 year playoff qb is more valuable in this league than an elite runner. Please compare matt ryan to Chris Johnson, who came out in the same draft.

But is there a 12 year playoff QB in this draft? Even the best QB's I am concerned that in order to be a 12 year playoff QB you are talking more like someone akin to Alex Smith, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, etc. where they need the right talent around them and cannot consistently put a less talented O on their shoulders like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, etc.

In comment 13934330 section125 said:

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In comment 13934297 firedbytheboss said: No it is not unanimous. You just live in a bubble where that is all you are hearing.. 538 and Barnwell for instance debunked that notion just yesterday.

I said virtually. And I don't care what some clickbait websites conjure up. Barkley is the best prospect in the draft.

And I don't live in a bubble, like you. I am actually a Rosen for QB over Darnold fan. But as far as best football player in the draft, there is Barkley and then there is everyone else (and they are very, very good either.) [/quote]


538 and Barnwell over at espn are not click bait websites.

so just highlight a few that didn't. Pass a special talent for a middle of the road QB. Is this what winning football is about now!

This past season. Penn State OL was called subpar.

Hmmmm

In comment 13934350 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 13934327 firedbytheboss said: Quote: In comment 13934301 NY-Fan said: Quote: He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back. He may or may not be very special. There are some knocks on his game. But even if he is, a 12 year playoff qb is more valuable in this league than an elite runner. Please compare matt ryan to Chris Johnson, who came out in the same draft. But is there a 12 year playoff QB in this draft? Even the best QB's I am concerned that in order to be a 12 year playoff QB you are talking more like someone akin to Alex Smith, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, etc. where they need the right talent around them and cannot consistently put a less talented O on their shoulders like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, etc.

I believe so.. Bit evwn another eli manning would be great

Accident

drafting LT when we were already stocked with really good linebackers. You do not past up special talent. Franco Harris was big and nimble like Barkely. He too ran out of bounds instead of overdoing it. How many years did he play.

In comment 13934362 firedbytheboss said:

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In comment 13934350 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 13934327 firedbytheboss said: Quote: In comment 13934301 NY-Fan said: Quote: He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back. He may or may not be very special. There are some knocks on his game. But even if he is, a 12 year playoff qb is more valuable in this league than an elite runner. Please compare matt ryan to Chris Johnson, who came out in the same draft. But is there a 12 year playoff QB in this draft? Even the best QB's I am concerned that in order to be a 12 year playoff QB you are talking more like someone akin to Alex Smith, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, etc. where they need the right talent around them and cannot consistently put a less talented O on their shoulders like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, etc. I believe so.. Bit evwn another eli manning would be great

The calculus gets a lot closer if you don't see any of the QB's having the upside of Brees, Rodgers, etc. I do not believe it is wrong to question the upside of this year's QB crop and well meaning people can reach different results based on their answer to the question of upside and likelihood to reach that level.

If he's such a generational talent, why aren't teams falling all over themselves to trade to get him?

Because they know they can get RBs that will be just as good, if not better later in the draft.

In comment 13934314 Zepp said:

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In comment 13934301 NY-Fan said: Quote: He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back. Exactly. Yeah you can find a good back anywhere if you luck out. This is a slam dunk great one. You don't pass him up especially when you have other pieces already. Cuz you're QB is 37? So what Barkley helps him win..TODAY. Forget 3 years from now. After Eli has won his 3rd Super Bowl ala John Elway with Terrell Davis then you can worry about successors.

That's one hell of a pipe dream. It's a terrible idea to draft for some storybook ending that isn't coming. There's nothing on this team that's going to carry anyone to a super bowl.

Easy for you to say who cares about 3 years from now. The same people saying that now will be the ones whining in two years that the team has no plan.

Right now, looks like Barkley to me. If we're in cap "you know what" , down the road, I'll still be smilin', while polishing those babies.

In comment 13934406 Rflairr said:

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If he's such a generational talent, why aren't teams falling all over themselves to trade to get him? Because they know they can get RBs that will be just as good, if not better later in the draft.

Not many teams in the range of trading up have a primary need at RB and this is one of the deeper drafts in terms of RB's in a long time. Not necessarily bellcow RB's, but definitely RB's who can be part of a RB by committee approach. Having that bellcow RB is useful because it means one less spot that you really need to commit to a RB. You have a bellcow RB and that means Perkins or Vereen could have been replaced with someone at a different position (with bellcow RB replacing the other).

Definitely don't need any to win these days. Running back by committee has been just as much, if not more,successful.

That kind of production is worth a #2 pick.

All the guys on the NFL network said the Giants Gould absolutely take Barkley. Best weapon in the draft

Do not take the Highest rated player on your board , take the 7 or 8th highest player because hes a QB because He MIGHT be a Franchise QB even though there is no Consensus that any of the QBs is cant miss, .... make no sense.

In comment 13934406 Rflairr said:

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If he's such a generational talent, why aren't teams falling all over themselves to trade to get him? Because they know they can get RBs that will be just as good, if not better later in the draft.

I would not be shocked if Cleveland takes Barkley at 1. In fact, their inscrutableness seems to indicate they are seriously considering it.

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Do not take the Highest rated player on your board , take the 7 or 8th highest player because hes a QB because He MIGHT be a Franchise QB even though there is no Consensus that any of the QBs is cant miss, .... make no sense.

It is not just about where a player is ranked. It is also about tiers. Considering there are a finite set of numbers, unless you are arguing about one one hundreth of a point or less, there may not be a large difference between 1 and 7 or 8. As I posted earlier the question to me is the difference between the tier with Barkley and the tier with your highest rated QB. There are some drafts where the gap between #1 and #7 or #8 may actually be smaller than #1 and #3 in other years.

In comment 13934546 OBJRoyal said:

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All the guys on the NFL network said the Giants Gould absolutely take Barkley. Best weapon in the draft

come on those guys are a bunch of stuffed shirts..

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In comment 13934406 Rflairr said: Quote: If he's such a generational talent, why aren't teams falling all over themselves to trade to get him? Because they know they can get RBs that will be just as good, if not better later in the draft. I would not be shocked if Cleveland takes Barkley at 1. In fact, their inscrutableness seems to indicate they are seriously considering it.

i would be utterly floored if they took barkley at one.. teams are not salivating over barkley. the cleveland beat guys were on the radio laughing that the giants would use the second pick on a running back.

In comment 13934406 Rflairr said:

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If he's such a generational talent, why aren't teams falling all over themselves to trade to get him? Because they know they can get RBs that will be just as good, if not better later in the draft.

eggsactly

what are u people smoking?? not an every down back?...and u can get a back just is good in a later round?? u people must be smoking crack...this the best player in the draft...bar none....if hes there at 2...u take him....who gives a shit about contracts now???

In comment 13934453 ATL_Giants said:

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That kind of production is worth a #2 pick.

Tomlinson is a plodding chicken legged 215 lb lightweight compared to Barkley.

In comment 13934397 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 13934362 firedbytheboss said: Quote: In comment 13934350 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 13934327 firedbytheboss said: Quote: In comment 13934301 NY-Fan said: Quote: He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back. He may or may not be very special. There are some knocks on his game. But even if he is, a 12 year playoff qb is more valuable in this league than an elite runner. Please compare matt ryan to Chris Johnson, who came out in the same draft. But is there a 12 year playoff QB in this draft? Even the best QB's I am concerned that in order to be a 12 year playoff QB you are talking more like someone akin to Alex Smith, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, etc. where they need the right talent around them and cannot consistently put a less talented O on their shoulders like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, etc. I believe so.. Bit evwn another eli manning would be great The calculus gets a lot closer if you don't see any of the QB's having the upside of Brees, Rodgers, etc. I do not believe it is wrong to question the upside of this year's QB crop and well meaning people can reach different results based on their answer to the question of upside and likelihood to reach that level.

if you think all the qbs are bad then you dont draft one.. but the bills, jets, cards, broncos, AND PATS know there are good ones here. The Pats.. they have a pretty good track record..

In comment 13934586 firedbytheboss said:

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In comment 13934565 Coach Red Beaulieu said: Quote: In comment 13934406 Rflairr said: Quote: If he's such a generational talent, why aren't teams falling all over themselves to trade to get him? Because they know they can get RBs that will be just as good, if not better later in the draft. I would not be shocked if Cleveland takes Barkley at 1. In fact, their inscrutableness seems to indicate they are seriously considering it. i would be utterly floored if they took barkley at one.. teams are not salivating over barkley. the cleveland beat guys were on the radio laughing that the giants would use the second pick on a running back.

No shit. They want him @ 4

In comment 13934598 Coach Red Beaulieu said:

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In comment 13934453 ATL_Giants said: Quote: That kind of production is worth a #2 pick. Tomlinson is a plodding chicken legged 215 lb lightweight compared to Barkley.

you are funny. the amount of Barkley is better than Sanders, Zeke, Tomlinson, Bell. etc etc I have heard on this board should embarrass you all.

In comment 13934583 firedbytheboss said:

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In comment 13934546 OBJRoyal said: Quote: All the guys on the NFL network said the Giants Gould absolutely take Barkley. Best weapon in the draft come on those guys are a bunch of stuffed shirts..

Oh, since you say so....

In comment 13934599 firedbytheboss said:

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In comment 13934397 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 13934362 firedbytheboss said: Quote: In comment 13934350 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 13934327 firedbytheboss said: Quote: In comment 13934301 NY-Fan said: Quote: He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back. He may or may not be very special. There are some knocks on his game. But even if he is, a 12 year playoff qb is more valuable in this league than an elite runner. Please compare matt ryan to Chris Johnson, who came out in the same draft. But is there a 12 year playoff QB in this draft? Even the best QB's I am concerned that in order to be a 12 year playoff QB you are talking more like someone akin to Alex Smith, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, etc. where they need the right talent around them and cannot consistently put a less talented O on their shoulders like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, etc. I believe so.. Bit evwn another eli manning would be great The calculus gets a lot closer if you don't see any of the QB's having the upside of Brees, Rodgers, etc. I do not believe it is wrong to question the upside of this year's QB crop and well meaning people can reach different results based on their answer to the question of upside and likelihood to reach that level. if you think all the qbs are bad then you dont draft one.. but the bills, jets, cards, broncos, AND PATS know there are good ones here. The Pats.. they have a pretty good track record..

Yes the Pats drafted Brady, but if you look at Bill's overall draft record it is up there with Jerry Reese. The players that have helped Pats win, other than Brady, were late round picks, UDFA's, and free agent signees. Broncos, that same team that thought Brock Ostweiler and Paxton Lynch were starting caliber QB's and don't get me started on the first three. People thought the Class of 1999 was great with 5 QB's in the Top 12. How did that turn out?

Some of the comments are mind numbing .
BaadBill this isn't Ron fucking Dayne and the Reggie Bush
comparison is laughable .
I have been watching this game for a long time he is a one
of a kind in my book . The fact that he is fluid as a receiver with great hands apparently he can block some as
well . He is a bit more like Hershel Walker but faster .IMO

In comment 13934633 Bluesbreaker said:

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Some of the comments are mind numbing . BaadBill this isn't Ron fucking Dayne and the Reggie Bush comparison is laughable . I have been watching this game for a long time he is a one of a kind in my book . The fact that he is fluid as a receiver with great hands apparently he can block some as well . He is a bit more like Hershel Walker but faster .IMO

Huh? I didn't say anything about Ron Dayne or Reggie Bush ... nor did I say anything negative about taking Barkley ... not sure why you seem to think I did ... but, hey, I don't mind ... I'm just pumped for tonight

Because he’s a game changer. There’s good rbs and good players and then there are special game changers.

If you’re a gm and you pass on a game changing talent because of some Pre conceived weird devalued position you’re going to get fired.

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I have been watching this game for a long time he is a one of a kind in my book .

Where? Canada?

Too bad you’ve missed college backs like Dorsett, Sanders, Faulk, M.Allen, Dickerson, Bo Jackson.

Barkley isn’t better than any of them at this stage. He may be close, sure. But this hyperbole that Barkley is so unusual that his skills have never been seen before is asinine.

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Because he’s a game changer. There’s good rbs and good players and then there are special game changers. If you’re a gm and you pass on a game changing talent because of some Pre conceived weird devalued position you’re going to get fired.

You’re only going to go as far as the team around that game changer. We’ve had arguably one of the five biggest game changers in football since 2014.

People who want Barkley, while disappointed, would love the selected player because he’s a Giant.

I really just hope that if Barkley is the pick, the QB at any cost folks won’t shit on him for his tenure here. I suspect they will, but I can still hope.