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Bleedblue10 : 4/26/2018 1:58 pm
I don’t wanna get it twisted he’s an incredible talent but with Odell and Collins coming up on contracts that will make them one of, if not the highest payed players at their position why on earth would we take a rb(a devalued position) at number two and make him top 5 at his. We can draft a qb now and get Eli’s salary of the books in 1-2 years and build a Complete football team with solid players at a lot of positions. That’s how you win in this league. Some of you guys make no sense your playing fantasy football. Barkley isn’t even an every down back. I can’t see the logic in any of this barkley talk and even though all signs point to him I’m praying it’s a smokescreen and the guys running our team now aren’t as clueless as JR. I think tonight’s pick could be a turning point in our organization. Number 2 pick in the draft is a spot for QBs or LTs or DEs, those are the highest paid positions and since we have a LT if we do t take a qb take Chubb or trade down. Maximize the value of the pick this is not fantasy football
I'm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2018 1:59 pm : link
not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )
RE: I'm  
NYSports1 : 4/26/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13933984 Eric from BBI said:
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not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )


So when videos of the qb's highlights are put out we call it cherry picking but this SB video is suppose to make it cool to draft him. He wont be juking NFL defenders like that. I can assure you of that.
NYSports1  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2018 2:06 pm : link
Not sure if you are addressing me. I've never commented on any QB videos on this site.

Also, not sure why you would claim he can't play like that at the NFL level. As long as I've been a fan, I can't think of a RB who Barkley compares to.
I've had to get past the RB label  
Dave on the UWS : 4/26/2018 2:06 pm : link
He has such a unique skill set, he's more of a weapon than just a RB. He will affect everyone else, every play. He will play RB, WR, slot, KR. That's a special player. He's a local kid, great in the locker room.
Wouldn't suck if he is Blue after tonight  
johnnyb : 4/26/2018 2:06 pm : link
although I understand, and agree, with the logic of going QB. But, wow! I would rather root for him than play against him. That is an awesome display of speed, quickness, power and balance.
All of the reasons you cite  
lax counsel : 4/26/2018 2:08 pm : link
Is a large reason why running backs just aren't highly paid in this league. It is a position with a short shelf life that has become increasingly interchangeable over the years. Most teams use a running back by committee approach. It's just not a prudent use of resources to use the number 2 pick on a running back, no matter how good you think he is.

I keep hearing people mention Zeke. Wel once the Giants go out and assemble the cowboys oline, go for it take the running back. I'll also point out hat the cowboys have yet to win a playoff game with Zeke on the roster and, when he got shut down, the Cowboys didn't win.
Barkley  
Pascal4554 : 4/26/2018 2:10 pm : link
is the consensus best prospect in the draft. It is a position of need. If they really believe Manning has years left, drafting him makes a lot of sense. Do I wish we could draft him at like 5 or 6? Yes, but you can't have every dream scenario you want. Manning needs more talent around him if we are going to make another run. Why not draft the best running back?

I understand the financial implications, but the goal is to win football games not have the greatest salary cap management in the world. The short career of running backs concerns me more than the financial implications.
LOL!  
mdthedream : 4/26/2018 2:10 pm : link
We cant worry about contracts esp 4 years later.For one you get Manning off the books. Two who knows whats going to happen with Odell and anyone else for that matter.
I dont  
jtgiants : 4/26/2018 2:10 pm : link
Think you understand how good Barkley is. There are always exceptions
You just know that if the Giants take him, all we will hear  
baadbill : 4/26/2018 2:11 pm : link
on Sunday afternoons is:

"Barkley, hit 5 yards in the backfield, struggles to get back to the LOS"

"Barkley, hit before the hand off even reaches him"

"Barkley, spins away from 5 defenders, before crossing the LOS for an amazing one yard gain."
I would imagine most "barkley supporters" are just fans  
Brown Recluse : 4/26/2018 2:11 pm : link
who havne't aligned themsleves to any one prospect or philosophy, and can see the logic in going a number of different directions. But I guess because you've picked a side, everyone who hasn't dug their heals in with you is automatically on the other side - even if they aren't really.

Kind of like opposing sides in a political debate.
RE: I'm  
Rjanyg : 4/26/2018 2:11 pm : link
In comment 13933984 Eric from BBI said:
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not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )


Just watching the entire Iowa game is unreal. Plus the USC game. He is an exciting player.
I just don't understand  
section125 : 4/26/2018 2:12 pm : link
why anyone would want to draft the best prospect in the draft. Just unbelievable that a 230 RB that runs sub 4.40, catches like a WR and can pick up blitzes should be taken with the 2nd pick in the draft.

Dammit, we may have to pay him 5 years down the road. Can you imagine that the Giants may have to pay a super productive once in 10 year RB?
That said  
mdthedream : 4/26/2018 2:12 pm : link
I am OK if we take a QB as well.
You look at that highlight reel  
Dave on the UWS : 4/26/2018 2:13 pm : link
It reminds me of Gayle Sayers (look him up), he's a hell of a pass receiver.
The Giants  
Nysportsfn13 : 4/26/2018 2:15 pm : link
Obviously do not know this...
RE: I just don't understand  
Reb8thVA : 4/26/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13934038 section125 said:
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why anyone would want to draft the best prospect in the draft. Just unbelievable that a 230 RB that runs sub 4.40, catches like a WR and can pick up blitzes should be taken with the 2nd pick in the draft.

Dammit, we may have to pay him 5 years down the road. Can you imagine that the Giants may have to pay a super productive once in 10 year RB?


Its BBI logic. Its not supposed to make sense
Barkley reminds me of Reggie Bush,  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 2:16 pm : link
though I was more impressed with Bush. I was convinced Bush would be an incredible NFL player. He was good, but he fell short of what I expected.
RE: I'm  
superspynyg : 4/26/2018 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13933984 Eric from BBI said:
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not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )


Difference is Penn State had better Qb....oh no they did not.
A much better oline....no it was actually pretty bad
One of colleges top wrs....nope
A great blocking TE....no he sucks at blocking.
A great defense...not even close
c'mon man  
ATL_Giants : 4/26/2018 2:18 pm : link
RE: I'm  
batman11 : 4/26/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13933984 Eric from BBI said:
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not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )


Well...that was fun to watch! Thanks Eric!
And I'll add one more time  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 2:21 pm : link
Barkley isn't even the most explosive runner in this draft. Lamar Jackson is. More yards and more TDs on fewer carries. Jackson's second best rushing year was more productive than Barkley's best.
watching the you tube video  
Chip : 4/26/2018 2:22 pm : link
the Giants have to take this guy. He is going to be so much fun to watch. I remember Gale Sayers and he is a bigger version of him with the electrifying speed. The QBs all have issues and Barkley is by almost all accounts is the BPA. Why have a QB hold a clipboard for the next 2 or 3 years. This does feel like George Rogers and hoping he is picked so we can get LT. I hope the Giants don't pass on him.
RE: RE: I'm  
Knee of Theismann : 4/26/2018 2:23 pm : link
In comment 13934004 NYSports1 said:
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In comment 13933984 Eric from BBI said:


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not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )



So when videos of the qb's highlights are put out we call it cherry picking but this SB video is suppose to make it cool to draft him. He wont be juking NFL defenders like that. I can assure you of that.


Dude, take it easy. All Eric did was post a video of Barkley highlights, even saying he wasn't pushing for Barkley, and you have to rip into him?

I personally have never seen a RB make runs like that at the college level (aside from Barry Sanders), and his overall performance at the combine was one of the best in history, so explain to me why you think his play wouldn't translate to the NFL? Every scouting report on Barkley thus far has said he checks off all the boxes for him to translate into an All-Pro talent in the NFL.

Just face it: he's an amazing talent and prospect, the question simply comes down to whether or not 1) The Giants like one of the QBs and 2) Is Barkley so good that he is an exception to the rule of not drafting a RB in the top 5.
Interesting  
AD-Blaze : 4/26/2018 2:26 pm : link
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So when videos of the qb's highlights are put out we call it cherry picking but this SB video is suppose to make it cool to draft him. He wont be juking NFL defenders like that. I can assure you of that.


What makes you so sure that he can't and won't do this on Sunday's in the NFL?
RE: And I'll add one more time  
Brown Recluse : 4/26/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13934067 Go Terps said:
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Barkley isn't even the most explosive runner in this draft. Lamar Jackson is. More yards and more TDs on fewer carries. Jackson's second best rushing year was more productive than Barkley's best.


You're probably right. But thats not a knock on Barkley. Jackson just happens to be that electric. Its irrelevant though, because Jackson isn't a RB. He's a QB (who I am a fan of) and not even in the discussion at 2.
RE: Barkley reminds me of Reggie Bush,  
Knee of Theismann : 4/26/2018 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13934052 Go Terps said:
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though I was more impressed with Bush. I was convinced Bush would be an incredible NFL player. He was good, but he fell short of what I expected.


Barkley is 35 pounds heavier (pure muscle) than Reggie Bush. The problem with Bush was he did not have the power to be an every down back in the NFL. His lack of strength was exposed when he got to the NFL. Barkley put up more bench reps than most lineman at the combine.
RE: And I'll add one more time  
section125 : 4/26/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13934067 Go Terps said:
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Barkley isn't even the most explosive runner in this draft. Lamar Jackson is. More yards and more TDs on fewer carries. Jackson's second best rushing year was more productive than Barkley's best.


Yeah, let's draft a RB disguised as QB who won't run so everyone will think of him as only a QB..at least after tonight the nonsense will subside.
When you strive for mediocrity  
Bill L : 4/26/2018 2:34 pm : link
you usually have a good chance of achieving your goals. SO there's that.

However, I still have the philosophy that more often than not, the team with the best players is the most successful.

Tonight might be a good test for which is our philosophy.
Give me a break....  
Zepp : 4/26/2018 2:40 pm : link
We are not going to take a generational talent like Barkley because we are worried about contracts down the road? Oh well #2 picks are only for QB's, LT's and DE's? Well then I guess we would've been sh1t out of luck with LT right. Yeah I'm passing over Lawrence Taylor because the #2 spot is only for QB's.

This is not hard guys. This is about winning, not managerial accounting, and its not saving for a rainy day. This is about WINNING. There is absolutely ZERO doubt in most peoples minds that Barkley will help you do that by a long shot. He helps Eli, helps the oline, helps OBJ, Engram, Sheppard and guess what? He helps the defense.

If Barkley is not there and everything else is the same then yeah maybe we look at Chubb or even QB. But when you have Marshall friggin Faulk staring at you in the face, a HOF caliber prospect you DO NOT PASS ON HIM!!!!!!!

The draft is about getting players that can have an impact. Best Player Available. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD!!!! Sometimes you can over think things too much.
RE: RE: Barkley reminds me of Reggie Bush,  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13934104 Knee of Theismann said:
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In comment 13934052 Go Terps said:


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though I was more impressed with Bush. I was convinced Bush would be an incredible NFL player. He was good, but he fell short of what I expected.



Barkley is 35 pounds heavier (pure muscle) than Reggie Bush. The problem with Bush was he did not have the power to be an every down back in the NFL. His lack of strength was exposed when he got to the NFL. Barkley put up more bench reps than most lineman at the combine.


But did he run like that in college? I see a guy bouncing everything. Why would he stop doing that and change his style?
Comparison to Gale Sayers  
Marty866b : 4/26/2018 2:43 pm : link
Sayers was great. How many championships did he win and the running game was more important then then today.Also, how many games did Sayers play in? Sayers only played in 68 games in his total career over a seven year span due to knee injuries. He averaged 5 yards(not breathtaking) a carry over his short career. Running backs generally have a short career. Barkley may be incredible but I don't see this position as one you would take at #2 with so many other needs despite this running back being the top prospect in the draft.
Pick a qb or trade down is what I think they should do.
How many did Marino win?  
Bill L : 4/26/2018 2:44 pm : link
.
Barkley will be a good player BUT it is not a good pick  
Vanzetti : 4/26/2018 2:45 pm : link
for all the reasons Barnwell outlined yesterday. Top RBs get 10 million per year as free agents and the #2 pick will maKE 7 MILLION.

Top QBs make 30 million and top DEs make 20 million, so a QB or Chubb is a much better value pick. Of course, you can play a hunch that Barkley will be the piece that makes the Giants go from a middling offense to a top five offense.

But if you go against the numbers and play a hunch with the #2 pick, you better be right. Otherwise, you go down in history as the guy who passed on a HOFer. Like when Bum Phillips took George Rodgers instead of LT.

Taking Barkley at #2  
Jan in DC : 4/26/2018 2:46 pm : link
makes him the highest paid RB in the NFL.

I would prefer that we take a QB or trade down. But I'm just someone with a keyboard and internet connection, so wtf do I know.
RE: And I'll add one more time  
BleedBlue : 4/26/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13934067 Go Terps said:
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Barkley isn't even the most explosive runner in this draft. Lamar Jackson is. More yards and more TDs on fewer carries. Jackson's second best rushing year was more productive than Barkley's best.



this comparison is silly....its WAY different when youre taking a carry from backfield and defense has a quick read as opposed to dropping back to pass then scrambling for a 70 yard run. i get that jackson is talented in the running department, but its hard to compare a running QB to a runningback IMO. just different.

jackson ripped off several big runs but fact is he is a HORRIBLE passer in terms of accuracy. i dont even want his dumb ass at 34
RE: I'm  
GeofromNJ : 4/26/2018 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13933984 Eric from BBI said:
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not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )

There's also lots of film of Barkley getting stuffed at the line of scrimmage and being tripped up by a linebacker's extended arm. I would much rather have Chubb, or even Nelson. Both will be All Pro's. Get a running back later.
thats one display of some other worldly godamn skills  
Stu11 : 4/26/2018 2:51 pm : link
I'm really jumping on the Barkley bandwagon. I can definitely see taking a QB here, but as I said on Fiddy's thread having Barkley/OBJ/Engram and hopefully an improved O-line after next off season it sure would help transitioning to Webb and make his life a hell of a lot easier. I mean we have a head coach who just made Case friggen Keenum look like an all pro.
I have to admit, I'll be little disappointed if he is not a Giant  
allstarjim : 4/26/2018 2:53 pm : link
But I will be happy and on-board with whatever choice is made.
RE: Give me a break....  
NYBEN1963 : 4/26/2018 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13934134 Zepp said:
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We are not going to take a generational talent like Barkley because we are worried about contracts down the road? Oh well #2 picks are only for QB's, LT's and DE's? Well then I guess we would've been sh1t out of luck with LT right. Yeah I'm passing over Lawrence Taylor because the #2 spot is only for QB's.

This is not hard guys. This is about winning, not managerial accounting, and its not saving for a rainy day. This is about WINNING. There is absolutely ZERO doubt in most peoples minds that Barkley will help you do that by a long shot. He helps Eli, helps the oline, helps OBJ, Engram, Sheppard and guess what? He helps the defense.

If Barkley is not there and everything else is the same then yeah maybe we look at Chubb or even QB. But when you have Marshall friggin Faulk staring at you in the face, a HOF caliber prospect you DO NOT PASS ON HIM!!!!!!!

The draft is about getting players that can have an impact. Best Player Available. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD!!!! Sometimes you can over think things too much.


And he does not fumble ...I think I heard he only has 1 fumble over the past 2 seasons.
RE: Taking Barkley at #2  
BigBlue2112 : 4/26/2018 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13934162 Jan in DC said:
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makes him the highest paid RB in the NFL.

I would prefer that we take a QB or trade down. But I'm just someone with a keyboard and internet connection, so wtf do I know.


Over the Cap has the 2nd pick at a 2018 cap value of $5.69 mil which would put him behind Bell McCoy Elliot Miller Ingram Fournette McKinnon
BBarkley did not live up to expectations  
Jay in Toronto : 4/26/2018 3:02 pm : link
This past season. Penn State OL was called subpar.

Hmmmm
RE: Taking Barkley at #2  
LI NHB : 4/26/2018 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13934162 Jan in DC said:
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makes him the highest paid RB in the NFL.

I would prefer that we take a QB or trade down. But I'm just someone with a keyboard and internet connection, so wtf do I know.


This is flat out incorrect.
RE: Give me a break....  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13934134 Zepp said:
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We are not going to take a generational talent like Barkley because we are worried about contracts down the road? Oh well #2 picks are only for QB's, LT's and DE's? Well then I guess we would've been sh1t out of luck with LT right. Yeah I'm passing over Lawrence Taylor because the #2 spot is only for QB's.

This is not hard guys. This is about winning, not managerial accounting, and its not saving for a rainy day. This is about WINNING. There is absolutely ZERO doubt in most peoples minds that Barkley will help you do that by a long shot. He helps Eli, helps the oline, helps OBJ, Engram, Sheppard and guess what? He helps the defense.

If Barkley is not there and everything else is the same then yeah maybe we look at Chubb or even QB. But when you have Marshall friggin Faulk staring at you in the face, a HOF caliber prospect you DO NOT PASS ON HIM!!!!!!!

The draft is about getting players that can have an impact. Best Player Available. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD!!!! Sometimes you can over think things too much.


Zepp.. Finally starting to sweat this one huh? I've been saying for weeks the mathematical choice is qb. And it's the choice to make if you care about winning.

It's gonna be a long night for the Barkley crowd. Sorry.

Nothing but a whole lotta love for ya
RE: RE: I'm  
The 12th Man : 4/26/2018 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13934004 NYSports1 said:
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not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )



So when videos of the qb's highlights are put out we call it cherry picking but this SB video is suppose to make it cool to draft him. He wont be juking NFL defenders like that. I can assure you of that.


Yeah, Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson, Adrian Peterson, etc.. did not juke any defenders. Your a moron. The kid is an excellent prospect. If we choose to pick Barkley Giants fans will be very happy for years to come. If we choose Darnold or Chubb or another quality prospect I hope they to will be successful for us. Barkley is the best player as of right now in this draft.
Many a great RB played over 10 years  
bronxgiant : 4/26/2018 3:05 pm : link
so just highlight one that didn't. Pass a special talent for a middle of the road QB. Is this what winning football is about now!
Bill L  
Marty866b : 4/26/2018 3:06 pm : link
Since you asked,Marino did win an AFC championship and played in 262 regular season over a 17 year career. Quarterbacks and great defense wins championships. Historically, having the best running back(not running game) has meant little in winning championships. IMO, the position is a dime a dozen and the life span is too short to pick one with a very high draft pick. How many of the top runners today have won a Super Bowl? Most of the great runners in history never won Super Bowls and even the great Walter Payton didn't win until the Bears had the best defense probably in history.
Whoever they take  
bc4life : 4/26/2018 3:08 pm : link
will be avery good player - Barkley could be special.

Big & Strong, fast but with great moves, can catch. Once they get right side of OLine resolved - imagine having to game plan for Odell, Barkley, & Engram - not to mention Shepard.

And after defenses get done chasing him all over the field - you spell him with a guy like Stewart who is big and runs hard.

I would be very happy with this pick.
RE: RE: RE: I'm  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13934240 The 12th Man said:
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In comment 13933984 Eric from BBI said:


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not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )



So when videos of the qb's highlights are put out we call it cherry picking but this SB video is suppose to make it cool to draft him. He wont be juking NFL defenders like that. I can assure you of that.



Yeah, Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson, Adrian Peterson, etc.. did not juke any defenders. Your a moron. The kid is an excellent prospect. If we choose to pick Barkley Giants fans will be very happy for years to come. If we choose Darnold or Chubb or another quality prospect I hope they to will be successful for us. Barkley is the best player as of right now in this draft.


Let me be real clear..

Barkley is a nice prospect but he is not the best player in this draft when you consider positional value and replacement value.
One thing about a guy that big is  
bc4life : 4/26/2018 3:09 pm : link
you have to prepare to tackle him and that sets you up for his moves.
Barkley = Reggie Bush  
Dnew15 : 4/26/2018 3:11 pm : link
Mark it down
He doesn't look like him physically - but he plays just like him.
These things aren't just "mathematical."  
LI NHB : 4/26/2018 3:13 pm : link
I would venture to suggest that a large portion of Barkley supporters recognize the financial implication of taking an RB there as opposed to a QB.

But the horse-blinded QB crowd says that like its the ONLY decision, without even accounting the actual evaluation of the players. If you don't think the QB is a franchise player than it's a non-discussion.

It's so baffling to me how people look purely at the numbers and have not considered that the organization may not feel that they're worth that, regardless of the model that the Rams and Eagles are functioning under.

You can also be a fantastic team with an expensive quarterback. Shall I give a few examples of those teams?



Take the player you think will have the biggest impact on this team progressing to contention for years to come and you let Abrams deal with the cap.

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allstarjim : 4/26/2018 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13934252 firedbytheboss said:
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not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )



So when videos of the qb's highlights are put out we call it cherry picking but this SB video is suppose to make it cool to draft him. He wont be juking NFL defenders like that. I can assure you of that.



Yeah, Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson, Adrian Peterson, etc.. did not juke any defenders. Your a moron. The kid is an excellent prospect. If we choose to pick Barkley Giants fans will be very happy for years to come. If we choose Darnold or Chubb or another quality prospect I hope they to will be successful for us. Barkley is the best player as of right now in this draft.



Let me be real clear..

Barkley is a nice prospect but he is not the best player in this draft when you consider positional value and replacement value.


That is debatable and you can't say that without any certainty or definitiveness. He is widely regarded as the top talent, the best player in the draft. Almost everyone agrees on that point, from public quotes of scouts, coaches, and pundits. The first thing that matters is talent. If you draft a middling QB and Barkley ends up being one of the best players at his position in the NFL, you have made a mistake. Positional and replacement value only matters if you end up with close to as good a Quarterback as the the player is you passed on. If you miss, it's a waste.

But hey, don't let me stop you from making the same short-sighted post you've made here 382 times already, though.

All of you Barkley supporters, all you motherf@#kers are gonna pay!  
Motley Two : 4/26/2018 3:16 pm : link
You are the ones who are the ball lickers!

RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm  
section125 : 4/26/2018 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13934252 firedbytheboss said:
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Let me be real clear..

Barkley is a nice prospect but he is not the best player in this draft when you consider positional value and replacement value.


Oh yes he is, no matter how you try to filter it. He is the best player in the draft, period. Every scout, front office and prognosticator says so. Virtually unanimous.
Everyone seem to think the 2d overall pick...  
BamaBlue : 4/26/2018 3:17 pm : link
is a benchmark for the way the Giants view Eli. Eli's story is pretty simple in terms of his age and the way he's played the last few years. There won't be any big changes this year. I believe this pick has much more to say about the way Giants view Webb (and his future).
The best Giants team was the 2008 team that led the NFL in rushing.  
fredgbrown : 4/26/2018 3:18 pm : link
We don't know what the OL will play like because it will be different players this year so how can people say it will suck in April. This team has more weapons in the receivers then that 2008 team. Teams will not be able bring their safeties up to stop the run game or the TEs and WRs will kill them. Eli only threw for 3200 yards and 21 tds that year. Let Eli go out and win his 3rd Super Bowl and guarantee a Hall of fame bust.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13934273 allstarjim said:
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not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )



So when videos of the qb's highlights are put out we call it cherry picking but this SB video is suppose to make it cool to draft him. He wont be juking NFL defenders like that. I can assure you of that.



Yeah, Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson, Adrian Peterson, etc.. did not juke any defenders. Your a moron. The kid is an excellent prospect. If we choose to pick Barkley Giants fans will be very happy for years to come. If we choose Darnold or Chubb or another quality prospect I hope they to will be successful for us. Barkley is the best player as of right now in this draft.



Let me be real clear..

Barkley is a nice prospect but he is not the best player in this draft when you consider positional value and replacement value.



That is debatable and you can't say that without any certainty or definitiveness. He is widely regarded as the top talent, the best player in the draft. Almost everyone agrees on that point, from public quotes of scouts, coaches, and pundits. The first thing that matters is talent. If you draft a middling QB and Barkley ends up being one of the best players at his position in the NFL, you have made a mistake. Positional and replacement value only matters if you end up with close to as good a Quarterback as the the player is you passed on. If you miss, it's a waste.

But hey, don't let me stop you from making the same short-sighted post you've made here 382 times already, though.


I sure Barkley will be really good. There are many analysts wbo think he is going to be excellent and still view him as bad value at 2. I don't know who you call rosen mayfield and darnold middling prospects. They're excellent prospects. Ans if you hit on one who emerges as elite we can be the next patriots. That's what we all want. Barkley can nwver offer that kind of upside.
RE: RE: Give me a break....  
Zepp : 4/26/2018 3:21 pm : link
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We are not going to take a generational talent like Barkley because we are worried about contracts down the road? Oh well #2 picks are only for QB's, LT's and DE's? Well then I guess we would've been sh1t out of luck with LT right. Yeah I'm passing over Lawrence Taylor because the #2 spot is only for QB's.

This is not hard guys. This is about winning, not managerial accounting, and its not saving for a rainy day. This is about WINNING. There is absolutely ZERO doubt in most peoples minds that Barkley will help you do that by a long shot. He helps Eli, helps the oline, helps OBJ, Engram, Sheppard and guess what? He helps the defense.

If Barkley is not there and everything else is the same then yeah maybe we look at Chubb or even QB. But when you have Marshall friggin Faulk staring at you in the face, a HOF caliber prospect you DO NOT PASS ON HIM!!!!!!!

The draft is about getting players that can have an impact. Best Player Available. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD!!!! Sometimes you can over think things too much.



Zepp.. Finally starting to sweat this one huh? I've been saying for weeks the mathematical choice is qb. And it's the choice to make if you care about winning.

It's gonna be a long night for the Barkley crowd. Sorry.

Nothing but a whole lotta love for ya


I'm not sweating at all cuz I'm confident its gonna be Barkley. I just don't understand why all the Barkley haters can't see it.

It'll be fun watching your excuses tonight and how you trash DG and everyone else on the Giants.
"Your a moron"  
WillieYoung : 4/26/2018 3:23 pm : link
Classic BBI unintentional irony.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 3:23 pm : link
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Let me be real clear..

Barkley is a nice prospect but he is not the best player in this draft when you consider positional value and replacement value.



Oh yes he is, no matter how you try to filter it. He is the best player in the draft, period. Every scout, front office and prognosticator says so. Virtually unanimous.


No it is not unanimous. You just live in a bubble where that is all you are hearing.. 538 and Barnwell for instance debunked that notion just yesterday.
fredgbrown  
Marty866b : 4/26/2018 3:24 pm : link
Let's not forget that the runners on that good running team were a 4th rounder,7th rounder and a free agent. Running backs are not hard to find and you don't need the best one to win. Quarterback is another story.
Barkley is very special  
NY-Fan : 4/26/2018 3:24 pm : link
He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back.
RE: RE: Taking Barkley at #2  
Jan in DC : 4/26/2018 3:26 pm : link
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makes him the highest paid RB in the NFL.

I would prefer that we take a QB or trade down. But I'm just someone with a keyboard and internet connection, so wtf do I know.



This is flat out incorrect.


Oops. Meant to put "one of the highest".

My point still stands though.
RE: Barkley is very special  
Zepp : 4/26/2018 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13934301 NY-Fan said:
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He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back.


Exactly. Yeah you can find a good back anywhere if you luck out. This is a slam dunk great one. You don't pass him up especially when you have other pieces already.

Cuz you're QB is 37? So what Barkley helps him win..TODAY. Forget 3 years from now. After Eli has won his 3rd Super Bowl ala John Elway with Terrell Davis then you can worry about successors.
RE: Barkley is very special  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13934301 NY-Fan said:
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He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back.


He may or may not be very special. There are some knocks on his game. But even if he is, a 12 year playoff qb is more valuable in this league than an elite runner. Please compare matt ryan to Chris Johnson, who came out in the same draft.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm  
section125 : 4/26/2018 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13934297 firedbytheboss said:

No it is not unanimous. You just live in a bubble where that is all you are hearing.. 538 and Barnwell for instance debunked that notion just yesterday. [/quote]

I said virtually. And I don't care what some clickbait websites conjure up. Barkley is the best prospect in the draft.

And I don't live in a bubble, like you. I am actually a Rosen for QB over Darnold fan. But as far as best football player in the draft, there is Barkley and then there is everyone else (and they are very, very good either.)
Barkley  
Mike in NY : 4/26/2018 3:36 pm : link
I guess I can be called a Barkley supporter because he is the only player in the top tier of my "board." The question for me is how much difference there is between Barkley's tier and the next tier that has Darnold, Mayfield, Chubb, Nelson, Smith, and Vea in no particular order. I personally think Darnold and Mayfield have the best chance at being the most successful QB's in this draft all else being equal, getting the necessary development before being thrown into the fire, etc. That all being said, I am not sure we are looking at a "franchise" QB who basically makes the offense playoff caliber just by having him on the field. I think you are looking more at QB's whose ultimate potential is Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, etc. who can get you far into the playoffs and maybe even win it all, but they are more dependent on the players around them for success. The key for our first round pick, whether it is at #2 or we have traded down, is that we need to hit with this pick regardless of position. Ideally we get a combination of hitting on the pick and important position like QB, LT, DE, etc., but I would rather hit on a lesser position like RB or OG than taking a bust at an important position.
RE: RE: Barkley is very special  
Mike in NY : 4/26/2018 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13934327 firedbytheboss said:
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He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back.



He may or may not be very special. There are some knocks on his game. But even if he is, a 12 year playoff qb is more valuable in this league than an elite runner. Please compare matt ryan to Chris Johnson, who came out in the same draft.


But is there a 12 year playoff QB in this draft? Even the best QB's I am concerned that in order to be a 12 year playoff QB you are talking more like someone akin to Alex Smith, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, etc. where they need the right talent around them and cannot consistently put a less talented O on their shoulders like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, etc.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13934330 section125 said:
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In comment 13934297 firedbytheboss said:

No it is not unanimous. You just live in a bubble where that is all you are hearing.. 538 and Barnwell for instance debunked that notion just yesterday.


I said virtually. And I don't care what some clickbait websites conjure up. Barkley is the best prospect in the draft.

And I don't live in a bubble, like you. I am actually a Rosen for QB over Darnold fan. But as far as best football player in the draft, there is Barkley and then there is everyone else (and they are very, very good either.) [/quote]


538 and Barnwell over at espn are not click bait websites.
Many a great RB played over 10 years  
bronxgiant : 4/26/2018 3:39 pm : link
so just highlight a few that didn't. Pass a special talent for a middle of the road QB. Is this what winning football is about now!
BBarkley did not live up to expectations  
Jay in Toronto : 4/26/2018 3:41 pm : link
This past season. Penn State OL was called subpar.

Hmmmm
RE: RE: RE: Barkley is very special  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 3:41 pm : link
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He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back.



He may or may not be very special. There are some knocks on his game. But even if he is, a 12 year playoff qb is more valuable in this league than an elite runner. Please compare matt ryan to Chris Johnson, who came out in the same draft.



But is there a 12 year playoff QB in this draft? Even the best QB's I am concerned that in order to be a 12 year playoff QB you are talking more like someone akin to Alex Smith, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, etc. where they need the right talent around them and cannot consistently put a less talented O on their shoulders like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, etc.



I believe so.. Bit evwn another eli manning would be great
Sorry for the double post  
Jay in Toronto : 4/26/2018 3:42 pm : link
Accident
I remember going to the draft and the Giants  
bronxgiant : 4/26/2018 3:45 pm : link
drafting LT when we were already stocked with really good linebackers. You do not past up special talent. Franco Harris was big and nimble like Barkely. He too ran out of bounds instead of overdoing it. How many years did he play.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Barkley is very special  
Mike in NY : 4/26/2018 3:49 pm : link
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He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back.



He may or may not be very special. There are some knocks on his game. But even if he is, a 12 year playoff qb is more valuable in this league than an elite runner. Please compare matt ryan to Chris Johnson, who came out in the same draft.



But is there a 12 year playoff QB in this draft? Even the best QB's I am concerned that in order to be a 12 year playoff QB you are talking more like someone akin to Alex Smith, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, etc. where they need the right talent around them and cannot consistently put a less talented O on their shoulders like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, etc.




I believe so.. Bit evwn another eli manning would be great


The calculus gets a lot closer if you don't see any of the QB's having the upside of Brees, Rodgers, etc. I do not believe it is wrong to question the upside of this year's QB crop and well meaning people can reach different results based on their answer to the question of upside and likelihood to reach that level.
Blah with the generational talent nonsense  
Rflairr : 4/26/2018 3:51 pm : link
If he's such a generational talent, why aren't teams falling all over themselves to trade to get him?

Because they know they can get RBs that will be just as good, if not better later in the draft.

RE: RE: Barkley is very special  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 3:54 pm : link
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He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back.



Exactly. Yeah you can find a good back anywhere if you luck out. This is a slam dunk great one. You don't pass him up especially when you have other pieces already.

Cuz you're QB is 37? So what Barkley helps him win..TODAY. Forget 3 years from now. After Eli has won his 3rd Super Bowl ala John Elway with Terrell Davis then you can worry about successors.


That's one hell of a pipe dream. It's a terrible idea to draft for some storybook ending that isn't coming. There's nothing on this team that's going to carry anyone to a super bowl.

Easy for you to say who cares about 3 years from now. The same people saying that now will be the ones whining in two years that the team has no plan.
I want whoever can get us another Lombardi ASAP  
Manny in CA : 4/26/2018 3:59 pm : link

Right now, looks like Barkley to me. If we're in cap "you know what" , down the road, I'll still be smilin', while polishing those babies.
RE: Blah with the generational talent nonsense  
Mike in NY : 4/26/2018 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13934406 Rflairr said:
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If he's such a generational talent, why aren't teams falling all over themselves to trade to get him?

Because they know they can get RBs that will be just as good, if not better later in the draft.


Not many teams in the range of trading up have a primary need at RB and this is one of the deeper drafts in terms of RB's in a long time. Not necessarily bellcow RB's, but definitely RB's who can be part of a RB by committee approach. Having that bellcow RB is useful because it means one less spot that you really need to commit to a RB. You have a bellcow RB and that means Perkins or Vereen could have been replaced with someone at a different position (with bellcow RB replacing the other).
"Bellcow"running backs  
Marty866b : 4/26/2018 4:06 pm : link
Definitely don't need any to win these days. Running back by committee has been just as much, if not more,successful.
How does Barkley compare to LaDainian Tomlinson?  
ATL_Giants : 4/26/2018 4:07 pm : link
That kind of production is worth a #2 pick.
NFL network  
OBJRoyal : 4/26/2018 4:30 pm : link
All the guys on the NFL network said the Giants Gould absolutely take Barkley. Best weapon in the draft
so what some of you guys are saying  
Manning10 : 4/26/2018 4:32 pm : link
Do not take the Highest rated player on your board , take the 7 or 8th highest player because hes a QB because He MIGHT be a Franchise QB even though there is no Consensus that any of the QBs is cant miss, .... make no sense.
RE: Blah with the generational talent nonsense  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/26/2018 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13934406 Rflairr said:
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If he's such a generational talent, why aren't teams falling all over themselves to trade to get him?

Because they know they can get RBs that will be just as good, if not better later in the draft.


I would not be shocked if Cleveland takes Barkley at 1. In fact, their inscrutableness seems to indicate they are seriously considering it.
RE: so what some of you guys are saying  
Mike in NY : 4/26/2018 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13934555 Manning10 said:
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Do not take the Highest rated player on your board , take the 7 or 8th highest player because hes a QB because He MIGHT be a Franchise QB even though there is no Consensus that any of the QBs is cant miss, .... make no sense.


It is not just about where a player is ranked. It is also about tiers. Considering there are a finite set of numbers, unless you are arguing about one one hundreth of a point or less, there may not be a large difference between 1 and 7 or 8. As I posted earlier the question to me is the difference between the tier with Barkley and the tier with your highest rated QB. There are some drafts where the gap between #1 and #7 or #8 may actually be smaller than #1 and #3 in other years.
RE: NFL network  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13934546 OBJRoyal said:
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All the guys on the NFL network said the Giants Gould absolutely take Barkley. Best weapon in the draft


come on those guys are a bunch of stuffed shirts..
RE: RE: Blah with the generational talent nonsense  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13934565 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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If he's such a generational talent, why aren't teams falling all over themselves to trade to get him?

Because they know they can get RBs that will be just as good, if not better later in the draft.




I would not be shocked if Cleveland takes Barkley at 1. In fact, their inscrutableness seems to indicate they are seriously considering it.


i would be utterly floored if they took barkley at one.. teams are not salivating over barkley. the cleveland beat guys were on the radio laughing that the giants would use the second pick on a running back.

RE: Blah with the generational talent nonsense  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13934406 Rflairr said:
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If he's such a generational talent, why aren't teams falling all over themselves to trade to get him?

Because they know they can get RBs that will be just as good, if not better later in the draft.


eggsactly
rb  
jurban : 4/26/2018 4:42 pm : link
what are u people smoking?? not an every down back?...and u can get a back just is good in a later round?? u people must be smoking crack...this the best player in the draft...bar none....if hes there at 2...u take him....who gives a shit about contracts now???
RE: How does Barkley compare to LaDainian Tomlinson?  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/26/2018 4:42 pm : link
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That kind of production is worth a #2 pick.


Tomlinson is a plodding chicken legged 215 lb lightweight compared to Barkley.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Barkley is very special  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 4:43 pm : link
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He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back.



He may or may not be very special. There are some knocks on his game. But even if he is, a 12 year playoff qb is more valuable in this league than an elite runner. Please compare matt ryan to Chris Johnson, who came out in the same draft.



But is there a 12 year playoff QB in this draft? Even the best QB's I am concerned that in order to be a 12 year playoff QB you are talking more like someone akin to Alex Smith, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, etc. where they need the right talent around them and cannot consistently put a less talented O on their shoulders like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, etc.




I believe so.. Bit evwn another eli manning would be great



The calculus gets a lot closer if you don't see any of the QB's having the upside of Brees, Rodgers, etc. I do not believe it is wrong to question the upside of this year's QB crop and well meaning people can reach different results based on their answer to the question of upside and likelihood to reach that level.


if you think all the qbs are bad then you dont draft one.. but the bills, jets, cards, broncos, AND PATS know there are good ones here. The Pats.. they have a pretty good track record..
RE: RE: RE: Blah with the generational talent nonsense  
Motley Two : 4/26/2018 4:43 pm : link
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If he's such a generational talent, why aren't teams falling all over themselves to trade to get him?

Because they know they can get RBs that will be just as good, if not better later in the draft.




I would not be shocked if Cleveland takes Barkley at 1. In fact, their inscrutableness seems to indicate they are seriously considering it.



i would be utterly floored if they took barkley at one.. teams are not salivating over barkley. the cleveland beat guys were on the radio laughing that the giants would use the second pick on a running back.


No shit. They want him @ 4
RE: RE: How does Barkley compare to LaDainian Tomlinson?  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 4:45 pm : link
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That kind of production is worth a #2 pick.



Tomlinson is a plodding chicken legged 215 lb lightweight compared to Barkley.


you are funny. the amount of Barkley is better than Sanders, Zeke, Tomlinson, Bell. etc etc I have heard on this board should embarrass you all.
RE: RE: NFL network  
OBJRoyal : 4/26/2018 4:46 pm : link
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All the guys on the NFL network said the Giants Gould absolutely take Barkley. Best weapon in the draft



come on those guys are a bunch of stuffed shirts..


Oh, since you say so....
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Mike in NY : 4/26/2018 4:46 pm : link
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He just has way to much ability. You are talking about the ability to be one of the great ones not just a good back.



He may or may not be very special. There are some knocks on his game. But even if he is, a 12 year playoff qb is more valuable in this league than an elite runner. Please compare matt ryan to Chris Johnson, who came out in the same draft.



But is there a 12 year playoff QB in this draft? Even the best QB's I am concerned that in order to be a 12 year playoff QB you are talking more like someone akin to Alex Smith, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, etc. where they need the right talent around them and cannot consistently put a less talented O on their shoulders like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, etc.




I believe so.. Bit evwn another eli manning would be great



The calculus gets a lot closer if you don't see any of the QB's having the upside of Brees, Rodgers, etc. I do not believe it is wrong to question the upside of this year's QB crop and well meaning people can reach different results based on their answer to the question of upside and likelihood to reach that level.



if you think all the qbs are bad then you dont draft one.. but the bills, jets, cards, broncos, AND PATS know there are good ones here. The Pats.. they have a pretty good track record..


Yes the Pats drafted Brady, but if you look at Bill's overall draft record it is up there with Jerry Reese. The players that have helped Pats win, other than Brady, were late round picks, UDFA's, and free agent signees. Broncos, that same team that thought Brock Ostweiler and Paxton Lynch were starting caliber QB's and don't get me started on the first three. People thought the Class of 1999 was great with 5 QB's in the Top 12. How did that turn out?
Never seen a RB get to top speed like Barkley  
Bluesbreaker : 4/26/2018 4:52 pm : link
Some of the comments are mind numbing .
BaadBill this isn't Ron fucking Dayne and the Reggie Bush
comparison is laughable .
I have been watching this game for a long time he is a one
of a kind in my book . The fact that he is fluid as a receiver with great hands apparently he can block some as
well . He is a bit more like Hershel Walker but faster .IMO
RE: Never seen a RB get to top speed like Barkley  
baadbill : 4/26/2018 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13934633 Bluesbreaker said:
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Some of the comments are mind numbing .
BaadBill this isn't Ron fucking Dayne and the Reggie Bush
comparison is laughable .
I have been watching this game for a long time he is a one
of a kind in my book . The fact that he is fluid as a receiver with great hands apparently he can block some as
well . He is a bit more like Hershel Walker but faster .IMO


Huh? I didn't say anything about Ron Dayne or Reggie Bush ... nor did I say anything negative about taking Barkley ... not sure why you seem to think I did ... but, hey, I don't mind ... I'm just pumped for tonight
You take Barkley  
djm : 4/26/2018 7:10 pm : link
Because he’s a game changer. There’s good rbs and good players and then there are special game changers.

If you’re a gm and you pass on a game changing talent because of some Pre conceived weird devalued position you’re going to get fired.

RE: Never seen a RB get to top speed like Barkley  
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 7:28 pm : link
In comment 13934633 Bluesbreaker said:
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I have been watching this game for a long time he is a one
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Where? Canada?

Too bad you’ve missed college backs like Dorsett, Sanders, Faulk, M.Allen, Dickerson, Bo Jackson.

Barkley isn’t better than any of them at this stage. He may be close, sure. But this hyperbole that Barkley is so unusual that his skills have never been seen before is asinine.



RE: You take Barkley  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13934942 djm said:
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Because he’s a game changer. There’s good rbs and good players and then there are special game changers.

If you’re a gm and you pass on a game changing talent because of some Pre conceived weird devalued position you’re going to get fired.


You’re only going to go as far as the team around that game changer. We’ve had arguably one of the five biggest game changers in football since 2014.
I know that if a QB or Chubb is taken  
Bill L : 4/26/2018 8:05 pm : link
People who want Barkley, while disappointed, would love the selected player because he’s a Giant.

I really just hope that if Barkley is the pick, the QB at any cost folks won’t shit on him for his tenure here. I suspect they will, but I can still hope.
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