I don’t wanna get it twisted he’s an incredible talent but with Odell and Collins coming up on contracts that will make them one of, if not the highest payed players at their position why on earth would we take a rb(a devalued position) at number two and make him top 5 at his. We can draft a qb now and get Eli’s salary of the books in 1-2 years and build a Complete football team with solid players at a lot of positions. That’s how you win in this league. Some of you guys make no sense your playing fantasy football. Barkley isn’t even an every down back. I can’t see the logic in any of this barkley talk and even though all signs point to him I’m praying it’s a smokescreen and the guys running our team now aren’t as clueless as JR. I think tonight’s pick could be a turning point in our organization. Number 2 pick in the draft is a spot for QBs or LTs or DEs, those are the highest paid positions and since we have a LT if we do t take a qb take Chubb or trade down. Maximize the value of the pick this is not fantasy football
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )
So when videos of the qb's highlights are put out we call it cherry picking but this SB video is suppose to make it cool to draft him. He wont be juking NFL defenders like that. I can assure you of that.
Also, not sure why you would claim he can't play like that at the NFL level. As long as I've been a fan, I can't think of a RB who Barkley compares to.
I keep hearing people mention Zeke. Wel once the Giants go out and assemble the cowboys oline, go for it take the running back. I'll also point out hat the cowboys have yet to win a playoff game with Zeke on the roster and, when he got shut down, the Cowboys didn't win.
I understand the financial implications, but the goal is to win football games not have the greatest salary cap management in the world. The short career of running backs concerns me more than the financial implications.
"Barkley, hit 5 yards in the backfield, struggles to get back to the LOS"
"Barkley, hit before the hand off even reaches him"
"Barkley, spins away from 5 defenders, before crossing the LOS for an amazing one yard gain."
Kind of like opposing sides in a political debate.
Just watching the entire Iowa game is unreal. Plus the USC game. He is an exciting player.
Dammit, we may have to pay him 5 years down the road. Can you imagine that the Giants may have to pay a super productive once in 10 year RB?
Dammit, we may have to pay him 5 years down the road. Can you imagine that the Giants may have to pay a super productive once in 10 year RB?
Its BBI logic. Its not supposed to make sense
Difference is Penn State had better Qb....oh no they did not.
A much better oline....no it was actually pretty bad
One of colleges top wrs....nope
A great blocking TE....no he sucks at blocking.
A great defense...not even close
Well...that was fun to watch! Thanks Eric!
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not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )
So when videos of the qb's highlights are put out we call it cherry picking but this SB video is suppose to make it cool to draft him. He wont be juking NFL defenders like that. I can assure you of that.
Dude, take it easy. All Eric did was post a video of Barkley highlights, even saying he wasn't pushing for Barkley, and you have to rip into him?
I personally have never seen a RB make runs like that at the college level (aside from Barry Sanders), and his overall performance at the combine was one of the best in history, so explain to me why you think his play wouldn't translate to the NFL? Every scouting report on Barkley thus far has said he checks off all the boxes for him to translate into an All-Pro talent in the NFL.
Just face it: he's an amazing talent and prospect, the question simply comes down to whether or not 1) The Giants like one of the QBs and 2) Is Barkley so good that he is an exception to the rule of not drafting a RB in the top 5.
What makes you so sure that he can't and won't do this on Sunday's in the NFL?
You're probably right. But thats not a knock on Barkley. Jackson just happens to be that electric. Its irrelevant though, because Jackson isn't a RB. He's a QB (who I am a fan of) and not even in the discussion at 2.
Barkley is 35 pounds heavier (pure muscle) than Reggie Bush. The problem with Bush was he did not have the power to be an every down back in the NFL. His lack of strength was exposed when he got to the NFL. Barkley put up more bench reps than most lineman at the combine.
Yeah, let's draft a RB disguised as QB who won't run so everyone will think of him as only a QB..at least after tonight the nonsense will subside.
However, I still have the philosophy that more often than not, the team with the best players is the most successful.
Tonight might be a good test for which is our philosophy.
This is not hard guys. This is about winning, not managerial accounting, and its not saving for a rainy day. This is about WINNING. There is absolutely ZERO doubt in most peoples minds that Barkley will help you do that by a long shot. He helps Eli, helps the oline, helps OBJ, Engram, Sheppard and guess what? He helps the defense.
If Barkley is not there and everything else is the same then yeah maybe we look at Chubb or even QB. But when you have Marshall friggin Faulk staring at you in the face, a HOF caliber prospect you DO NOT PASS ON HIM!!!!!!!
The draft is about getting players that can have an impact. Best Player Available. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD!!!! Sometimes you can over think things too much.
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though I was more impressed with Bush. I was convinced Bush would be an incredible NFL player. He was good, but he fell short of what I expected.
Barkley is 35 pounds heavier (pure muscle) than Reggie Bush. The problem with Bush was he did not have the power to be an every down back in the NFL. His lack of strength was exposed when he got to the NFL. Barkley put up more bench reps than most lineman at the combine.
But did he run like that in college? I see a guy bouncing everything. Why would he stop doing that and change his style?
Pick a qb or trade down is what I think they should do.
Top QBs make 30 million and top DEs make 20 million, so a QB or Chubb is a much better value pick. Of course, you can play a hunch that Barkley will be the piece that makes the Giants go from a middling offense to a top five offense.
But if you go against the numbers and play a hunch with the #2 pick, you better be right. Otherwise, you go down in history as the guy who passed on a HOFer. Like when Bum Phillips took George Rodgers instead of LT.
I would prefer that we take a QB or trade down. But I'm just someone with a keyboard and internet connection, so wtf do I know.
this comparison is silly....its WAY different when youre taking a carry from backfield and defense has a quick read as opposed to dropping back to pass then scrambling for a 70 yard run. i get that jackson is talented in the running department, but its hard to compare a running QB to a runningback IMO. just different.
jackson ripped off several big runs but fact is he is a HORRIBLE passer in terms of accuracy. i dont even want his dumb ass at 34
There's also lots of film of Barkley getting stuffed at the line of scrimmage and being tripped up by a linebacker's extended arm. I would much rather have Chubb, or even Nelson. Both will be All Pro's. Get a running back later.
This is not hard guys. This is about winning, not managerial accounting, and its not saving for a rainy day. This is about WINNING. There is absolutely ZERO doubt in most peoples minds that Barkley will help you do that by a long shot. He helps Eli, helps the oline, helps OBJ, Engram, Sheppard and guess what? He helps the defense.
If Barkley is not there and everything else is the same then yeah maybe we look at Chubb or even QB. But when you have Marshall friggin Faulk staring at you in the face, a HOF caliber prospect you DO NOT PASS ON HIM!!!!!!!
The draft is about getting players that can have an impact. Best Player Available. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD!!!! Sometimes you can over think things too much.
And he does not fumble ...I think I heard he only has 1 fumble over the past 2 seasons.
I would prefer that we take a QB or trade down. But I'm just someone with a keyboard and internet connection, so wtf do I know.
Over the Cap has the 2nd pick at a 2018 cap value of $5.69 mil which would put him behind Bell McCoy Elliot Miller Ingram Fournette McKinnon
Hmmmm
I would prefer that we take a QB or trade down. But I'm just someone with a keyboard and internet connection, so wtf do I know.
This is flat out incorrect.
This is not hard guys. This is about winning, not managerial accounting, and its not saving for a rainy day. This is about WINNING. There is absolutely ZERO doubt in most peoples minds that Barkley will help you do that by a long shot. He helps Eli, helps the oline, helps OBJ, Engram, Sheppard and guess what? He helps the defense.
If Barkley is not there and everything else is the same then yeah maybe we look at Chubb or even QB. But when you have Marshall friggin Faulk staring at you in the face, a HOF caliber prospect you DO NOT PASS ON HIM!!!!!!!
The draft is about getting players that can have an impact. Best Player Available. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD!!!! Sometimes you can over think things too much.
Zepp.. Finally starting to sweat this one huh? I've been saying for weeks the mathematical choice is qb. And it's the choice to make if you care about winning.
It's gonna be a long night for the Barkley crowd. Sorry.
Nothing but a whole lotta love for ya
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not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )
So when videos of the qb's highlights are put out we call it cherry picking but this SB video is suppose to make it cool to draft him. He wont be juking NFL defenders like that. I can assure you of that.
Yeah, Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson, Adrian Peterson, etc.. did not juke any defenders. Your a moron. The kid is an excellent prospect. If we choose to pick Barkley Giants fans will be very happy for years to come. If we choose Darnold or Chubb or another quality prospect I hope they to will be successful for us. Barkley is the best player as of right now in this draft.
Big & Strong, fast but with great moves, can catch. Once they get right side of OLine resolved - imagine having to game plan for Odell, Barkley, & Engram - not to mention Shepard.
And after defenses get done chasing him all over the field - you spell him with a guy like Stewart who is big and runs hard.
I would be very happy with this pick.
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not pushing for Barkey, but I'm not sure I've ever seen this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg - ( New Window )
So when videos of the qb's highlights are put out we call it cherry picking but this SB video is suppose to make it cool to draft him. He wont be juking NFL defenders like that. I can assure you of that.
Yeah, Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson, Adrian Peterson, etc.. did not juke any defenders. Your a moron. The kid is an excellent prospect. If we choose to pick Barkley Giants fans will be very happy for years to come. If we choose Darnold or Chubb or another quality prospect I hope they to will be successful for us. Barkley is the best player as of right now in this draft.
Let me be real clear..
Barkley is a nice prospect but he is not the best player in this draft when you consider positional value and replacement value.