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New York Giants 1st Round Pick: RB Saquon Barkley

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2018 8:21 pm
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People are complaining about not taking a QB  
Ken Yadiggit : 4/27/2018 6:48 am : link
Did you all miss the segment right before our pick where it shows the TWENTY-EIGHT QBs that the Browns has chewed through? A high-pick QB is not a guarantee.
Simple math formula  
cznmike : 4/27/2018 6:54 am : link
Look up games where the Giants ran the ball more times than Eli threw the ball over the entire span of his career. When the Giants can run the ball, they win more often than when relying on Eli by himself.

I'm still not convinced this guy is the new EE, but I sure hope he is. Nothing anyone can do now but cheer or bitch about it.
Barkley was the BEST player available at #2  
SGMen : 4/27/2018 6:57 am : link
Chubb was right behind him, IMHO.

Rosen was my favorite QB but his injuries pushed him back. The Giants must really like Webb to pass on Darnold, Rosen, etc.

But this is a truth: if Eli was in this draft he is the consensus #1 pick.

Barkley, Engram, OBJ, Sharpe give us some playmakers. If the OL improves a bit we'll move the ball.
RE: Barkley was the BEST player available at #2  
SGMen : 4/27/2018 6:59 am : link
In comment 13937688 SGMen said:
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Chubb was right behind him, IMHO.

Rosen was my favorite QB but his injuries pushed him back. The Giants must really like Webb to pass on Darnold, Rosen, etc.

But this is a truth: if Eli was in this draft he is the consensus #1 pick.

Barkley, Engram, OBJ, Sharpe give us some playmakers. If the OL improves a bit we'll move the ball.
I mean Shepard not Sharpe. Duh.
The only problem i have,  
BIGbluegermany : 4/27/2018 7:00 am : link
running back is not enough value for a second overall!!
the 'short life span'  
fkap : 4/27/2018 7:07 am : link
doesn't really bother me much. I'll take a kick ass star for 5 years. Presumably a major contributor from day one. Other positions take a year or two or three to hit stride, so half the first contract is gone before the major contribution kicks in.

5 years down the road is a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time in NFL years.

A trade down would have been nice, but reports are that the trade partners weren't coughing up the king's ransom to make it worthwhile.
RE: RE: RE: Absolute lack of Foresight  
Mr. Bungle : 4/27/2018 7:25 am : link
In comment 13937477 ajr2456 said:
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The career expectancy of a running back in today’s NFL is what?


I don't know. Ask Frank Gore.



Frank Gore hasn't averaged 4 yards per carry in 3 years

The comment was about career expectancy. Gore is still playing.
Gore also played on the Colts  
UConn4523 : 4/27/2018 7:28 am : link
those 3 sub 4.0 years. You know, the same Colts who’ve had the worst oline in the nfl during that same time span...
RE: I like the pick. The only QB I would have considered was Rosen if not  
markky : 4/27/2018 7:37 am : link
In comment 13937635 Victor in CT said:
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The concussion history.

Wtf was Cleveland thinking with the 4th pick? I get that everyone has a different opinion on the type of QB you want, but how do you pass on Chubb and Nelson for a DB? And not even the best one?


Browns should have drafted Rosen with 4th pick.
Love Barkley but can he  
Jimmy Googs : 4/27/2018 7:46 am : link
also throw the option pass?

I guess we can use that a lot...
Some questions I have about Barkley...  
trueblueinpw : 4/27/2018 8:15 am : link
1. With only ten fingers, how will he ever wear his 11th Super Bowl ring?
2. Does he bring peace to the Middle East before or after he implements universal basic income?
3. Given LTs character issues off the field, is it really fair to say LT belongs in the same category of football greatness as Barkley?


Anyway, I’m just glad this guy is here because last season sucked.
Excited about Barkley, have wanted a homerun hitter for a long time  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/27/2018 8:25 am : link
Can't wait to watch him run next year.
RE: RE: I'm not sad about missing out on those QBs  
mfsd : 4/27/2018 8:35 am : link
In comment 13937119 fanofthejets said:
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Good let Allen bomb with those zubaz wearing table breaking coke fiends in buffalo. That entire city is basically what Canada crapped out.



Lost in the chatter last night, this is one of the funniest descriptions of Buffalo I’ve heard in a while! Nice work. For a Jets fan
Great quote by Barkley:  
Pete in MD : 4/27/2018 8:38 am : link
"...I got a feeling after the visit, when I got to formally meet all of the coaches and GM and everybody in the building. Leaving there, I just felt like that’s home. That’s the place where I wanted to be. Obviously in the Draft, you don’t decide where you want to go, but if I had to pick, that would be the place that I would pick."

I realize that people say BS like that all of the time but this is a 21 year old kid who has always come off as very humble and sincere. I don't doubt he's telling the truth.
RE: Some questions I have about Barkley...  
Ira : 4/27/2018 8:47 am : link
In comment 13937836 trueblueinpw said:
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1. With only ten fingers, how will he ever wear his 11th Super Bowl ring?
2. Does he bring peace to the Middle East before or after he implements universal basic income?
3. Given LTs character issues off the field, is it really fair to say LT belongs in the same category of football greatness as Barkley?


Anyway, I’m just glad this guy is here because last season sucked.


1. On one of his toes.
2. Simultaneously.
3. You said 'football greatness', so yes.
Great video analysis on Barkley's game.  
Ira : 4/27/2018 9:04 am : link
The Film Room Ep. 66: Saquon Barkley - The Next LaDainian Tomlinson
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Can't wait to read this thread  
Kyle in NY : 4/27/2018 9:24 am : link
in a couple years. Should be interesting

Absolutely thrilled with this pick
Here's the thing with Barkley  
Joey in VA : 4/27/2018 10:10 am : link
That people toss out or simply don't understand about how a football game actually works. The Jaguars came within a whisker of a Super Bowl with a great defense and a punishing offense led by Leonard Fournette. The issue with Fournette is two fold, pass blocking and catching. So when he's off the field it's a really good indicator that the Jags are throwing the ball and when he's in it's the opposite. That makes a defense's job much easier.

Barkley can literally do everything at RB, run inside, run outside, catch the ball down field, be a threat on screens and pass block. There is ZERO hand tipping when he's in the game and when he's not. That advantage alone will pay dividends for this offense. He's a threat anywhere you put him. People will blast the pick, I won't even bother arguing or reading the whining, but this is a sensationally gifted football player who gives everything on the field and is clean off the field. You now have 3 4.40 types on offense, at TE, WR and RB. That's a complete nightmare for defenses.
So many stupid posts  
PaulN : 4/27/2018 10:12 am : link
I wanted a QB, but they went with an all world talent, how can you possibly knock it. They have a QB that they believe is still good, Eli had a GM that was horrendous, and he paid the price, now he will get the support from coaching and the front office he lacked. I am a Giant fan, I want success more then being right, fuck being right, lets go Giants. To all the babies, go root for the Jets, they got Darnold, go ahead, leave,.
Don't  
DanMetroMan : 4/27/2018 10:16 am : link
want to jinx him but even those who don't like the pick have to admit the guy comes off as insanely mature and well spoken so IF he's the goods he'll make an excellent "face of the franchise" type. Not that it's so important vs. winning games but he seems extremely likable.
RE: So many stupid posts  
mfsd : 4/27/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 13938382 PaulN said:
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I wanted a QB, but they went with an all world talent, how can you possibly knock it. They have a QB that they believe is still good, Eli had a GM that was horrendous, and he paid the price, now he will get the support from coaching and the front office he lacked. I am a Giant fan, I want success more then being right, fuck being right, lets go Giants. To all the babies, go root for the Jets, they got Darnold, go ahead, leave,.


Bingo
RE: Here's the thing with Barkley  
Giantfan in skinland : 4/27/2018 10:30 am : link
In comment 13938369 Joey in VA said:
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That people toss out or simply don't understand about how a football game actually works. The Jaguars came within a whisker of a Super Bowl with a great defense and a punishing offense led by Leonard Fournette. The issue with Fournette is two fold, pass blocking and catching. So when he's off the field it's a really good indicator that the Jags are throwing the ball and when he's in it's the opposite. That makes a defense's job much easier.

Barkley can literally do everything at RB, run inside, run outside, catch the ball down field, be a threat on screens and pass block. There is ZERO hand tipping when he's in the game and when he's not. That advantage alone will pay dividends for this offense. He's a threat anywhere you put him. People will blast the pick, I won't even bother arguing or reading the whining, but this is a sensationally gifted football player who gives everything on the field and is clean off the field. You now have 3 4.40 types on offense, at TE, WR and RB. That's a complete nightmare for defenses.


People need to stop talking about Fournette and Elliot when discussing Barkley. As you mention, they are different players with different skill sets. Barkley is not the inside runner that either of those guys are and neither of them compares to him in the passing game. He's a bigger stronger Alvin Kamara.

That said, I continue to believe that people way overstate the impact Fournette and Elliot had on their teams. I think both joined teams that were already ascending.

Fournette had 4 games all season when he averaged more than 4 yards per carry (3.9 on the season). The Jaguars went 3-0 without him in the lineup and actually averaged more yards on the ground in those games. I'm not arguing they were better without him, but I do think you could have plugged a lot of starter level RBs into that team and gotten similar results. Had they taken Deshaun Watson or maybe even Pat Mahomes (still unclear) instead of Fournette, I honestly think they may have beaten the Patriots.

Elliot is much the same for me. I think any number of talented RBs, running behind that line, would have given the cowboys what they needed in the running game (not arguing that they would be as good as Elliot, just that the gulf doesn't justify the difference in price). Imagine how much better Dallas is if they had invested that pick on defense in Jalen Ramsey. The cowboys ran the ball very well last year without Elliot. The drop off was in the passing game when Tyron Smith went down because they couldn't protect Dak (not to mention he had no real receiving threats).

I'm not saying Barkley won't make an impact. I just think when you actually sit down and examine Fournette and Elliot in detail, the impact isn't really what people make it out to be.
best player at a position of need  
RasputinPrime : 4/27/2018 10:44 am : link
very happy with the pick.
Darnold  
bigbb : 4/27/2018 10:54 am : link
Will never be a top 5 quarterback he'll be lucky to be a top 15... I would have been okay with the quarterback but definitely not him horrible footwork and is a turnover machine.
RE: Darnold  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2018 11:30 am : link
In comment 13938558 bigbb said:
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Will never be a top 5 quarterback he'll be lucky to be a top 15... I would have been okay with the quarterback but definitely not him horrible footwork and is a turnover machine.


Good point - a turnover machine would never win anything with the Giants
Everybody kills Eli for the turnovers  
bigbb : 4/27/2018 11:40 am : link
Yet you want to go with somebody that's going to do the same thing okay
RE: RE: Darnold  
Giantfan in skinland : 4/27/2018 11:42 am : link
In comment 13938746 Greg from LI said:
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Will never be a top 5 quarterback he'll be lucky to be a top 15... I would have been okay with the quarterback but definitely not him horrible footwork and is a turnover machine.



Good point - a turnover machine would never win anything with the Giants


The turnovers are a legit concern. Has to be addressed or he's Jameis Winston part deux (which is not a good thing, imo).

That said, the kid is 20 years old and played his first full football season at QB as a senior in high school (and spent his offseasons playing Basketball). To say there's a lot of room for growth/teaching is putting it mildly. He has warts to his game, but I don't think trying to put a ceiling on what he can become makes much sense.
RE: Here's the thing with Barkley  
Klaatu : 4/27/2018 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13938369 Joey in VA said:
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That people toss out or simply don't understand about how a football game actually works. The Jaguars came within a whisker of a Super Bowl with a great defense and a punishing offense led by Leonard Fournette. The issue with Fournette is two fold, pass blocking and catching. So when he's off the field it's a really good indicator that the Jags are throwing the ball and when he's in it's the opposite. That makes a defense's job much easier.

Barkley can literally do everything at RB, run inside, run outside, catch the ball down field, be a threat on screens and pass block. There is ZERO hand tipping when he's in the game and when he's not. That advantage alone will pay dividends for this offense. He's a threat anywhere you put him. People will blast the pick, I won't even bother arguing or reading the whining, but this is a sensationally gifted football player who gives everything on the field and is clean off the field. You now have 3 4.40 types on offense, at TE, WR and RB. That's a complete nightmare for defenses.


Joey, you magnificent bastard, I READ YOUR BOOK!
Time for some highlights  
RobCarpenter : 4/27/2018 12:06 pm : link












That USC highlight is hilarious  
Heisenberg : 4/27/2018 12:14 pm : link
that he can do that at 230 is unreal.
RE: That USC highlight is hilarious  
RobCarpenter : 4/27/2018 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13938975 Heisenberg said:
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that he can do that at 230 is unreal.


I know I shouldn't say this as a Michigan fan but that direct snap TD was something else too.

Would love to see direct snaps to Barkley in the Giants playbook this year, at least to keep defenses on their toes.
RE: RE: huh?  
gmenatlarge : 4/27/2018 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13937205 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I'm sorry by Lamar Jackson's wonderlic is somewhere below warehouseman. He's going to be a gadget player for Baltimore and a dangerous one at that. He will never take Flacco's job.



Dan Marino scored a 13 on his wonderlic. It's about as relevant as leeches are to modern medicine.


Actually the medical use for leeches has been found to be somewhat effective and are being used in certain therapies.
Wanted a QB  
Thegratefulhead : 4/27/2018 12:27 pm : link
Eli best traits have been above the shoulders and his durability. He should be able to spot the mismatch and get us in the right play. I am hopeful today. I want more OL help, would not be unhappy with 3 OL drafted today. We need depth and competition.
Time revisit his combine highlights  
GFAN52 : 4/27/2018 12:36 pm : link

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RE: RE: huh?  
The 12th Man : 4/27/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13937239 bw in dc said:
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I'm sorry by Lamar Jackson's wonderlic is somewhere below warehouseman. He's going to be a gadget player for Baltimore and a dangerous one at that. He will never take Flacco's job.



You couldn't be more wrong. He's going to get it - eventually - and then he's going to kill it. You can't teach that athleticism and his willingness to want to be a pocket QB.

It took a while, but the best Heisman winner finally get drafted.


Just like Michael Vick did.
RE: Time revisit his combine highlights  
Anakim : 4/27/2018 12:51 pm : link
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I wrote this back at the Combine:

Saquon just ran a 4.41 40.

Done. Pack it up. He's the choice for #2, if the Browns don't take him at #1.


And during the season:

And if this leads to us getting Saquon Barkley, then it could be a blessing in disguise. IDK, man. I'm just resigned. A QB isn't the worst idea, but I would not pass on Saquon Barkley. No way. Reese might, but it would be a huge mistake, IMO.
RE: RE: RE: huh?  
The 12th Man : 4/27/2018 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13937450 fanofthejets said:
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I'm sorry by Lamar Jackson's wonderlic is somewhere below warehouseman. He's going to be a gadget player for Baltimore and a dangerous one at that. He will never take Flacco's job.



Please return to the Jets message board. I’m pretty sure no one on here wants to hear you make fun of blue collar workers, “warehousemen”, and tell us how wonderful Darnold is. Enjoy Mark Sanchez 2.0.



Darnold will be a top 5 Qb for a long long time. Thank you. Remember this day


I will remember it just like 81. We took the best player in the draft that day too. People wanted a RB. Giants took LT Jets got McNeil. Yesterday we took best player in the draft, Jets may not have even taken the best QB. Time will tell.
RE: Love Barkley but can he  
Knee of Theismann : 4/27/2018 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13937776 Jimmy Googs said:
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also throw the option pass?

I guess we can use that a lot...


He actually can. I remember he threw at least one TD pass in college. LOL
RE: Time revisit his combine highlights  
Knee of Theismann : 4/27/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13939104 GFAN52 said:
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HAHA! See #21 go down like a heap of bricks when Barkley shoulders him. DBs don't stand a chance tackling this guy. He can outrun every one of them and he's 40 pounds heavier than them. That's why he has so many long runs because once he gets the 2nd level it's bye-bye Saquon.
I'll have a longer post coming, but I'll say this in brief:  
Anakim : 4/27/2018 1:10 pm : link
- Stronger than Joe Thomas
- Quicker than DeSean Jackson
- Faster than Devin Hester
- Jumps higher than Julio Jones



And he's a top notch guy off the field. He's as close to the perfect prospect as I have ever seen. The best player in the Draft BY FAR and legit the best RB prospect since Adrian Peterson.
Barkley to under go another Surgery  
DelZotto : 4/27/2018 2:03 pm : link
This will be his fifth procedure in his four years with the G-Men that has limited him to just 12 starts in the last four years after being the 2nd pick in the 2018 draft. Mean while over in Jet Land the defending SB Champions are negotiating a long term deal for SB QB Darnold that will make him the highest paid player in the NFL. Looking forward the Giants will again try and get it right, oh yes they have the 2nd pick in the up coming draft once more. Hopefully we'll have a conversation with President and GM Mara next week to get his view on the draft and what his plans are going forward.
RE: Barkley to under go another Surgery  
PEEJ : 4/27/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13939507 DelZotto said:
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This will be his fifth procedure in his four years with the G-Men that has limited him to just 12 starts in the last four years after being the 2nd pick in the 2018 draft. Mean while over in Jet Land the defending SB Champions are negotiating a long term deal for SB QB Darnold that will make him the highest paid player in the NFL. Looking forward the Giants will again try and get it right, oh yes they have the 2nd pick in the up coming draft once more. Hopefully we'll have a conversation with President and GM Mara next week to get his view on the draft and what his plans are going forward.


What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
RE: RE: Barkley to under go another Surgery  
BleedBlue : 4/27/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13939565 PEEJ said:
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This will be his fifth procedure in his four years with the G-Men that has limited him to just 12 starts in the last four years after being the 2nd pick in the 2018 draft. Mean while over in Jet Land the defending SB Champions are negotiating a long term deal for SB QB Darnold that will make him the highest paid player in the NFL. Looking forward the Giants will again try and get it right, oh yes they have the 2nd pick in the up coming draft once more. Hopefully we'll have a conversation with President and GM Mara next week to get his view on the draft and what his plans are going forward.



What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


Business Ethics

LMAO.

seriously a dumb comment from delzotto
RE: RE: Barkley to under go another Surgery  
DelZotto : 4/27/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13939565 PEEJ said:
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This will be his fifth procedure in his four years with the G-Men that has limited him to just 12 starts in the last four years after being the 2nd pick in the 2018 draft. Mean while over in Jet Land the defending SB Champions are negotiating a long term deal for SB QB Darnold that will make him the highest paid player in the NFL. Looking forward the Giants will again try and get it right, oh yes they have the 2nd pick in the up coming draft once more. Hopefully we'll have a conversation with President and GM Mara next week to get his view on the draft and what his plans are going forward.



What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


Beware Bradly Chubb the LT replica.
RE: RE: Barkley to under go another Surgery  
Brown Recluse : 4/27/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13939565 PEEJ said:
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This will be his fifth procedure in his four years with the G-Men that has limited him to just 12 starts in the last four years after being the 2nd pick in the 2018 draft. Mean while over in Jet Land the defending SB Champions are negotiating a long term deal for SB QB Darnold that will make him the highest paid player in the NFL. Looking forward the Giants will again try and get it right, oh yes they have the 2nd pick in the up coming draft once more. Hopefully we'll have a conversation with President and GM Mara next week to get his view on the draft and what his plans are going forward.



What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


I thought it was actually pretty funny.
By being drafted second overall, Barkley’s $31m guaranteed money  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2018 3:02 pm : link
Is the second most guaranteed money given to RB all-time, behind Adrian Peterson. ($36m)
RE: Barkley to under go another Surgery  
GFAN52 : 4/27/2018 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13939507 DelZotto said:
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This will be his fifth procedure in his four years with the G-Men that has limited him to just 12 starts in the last four years after being the 2nd pick in the 2018 draft. Mean while over in Jet Land the defending SB Champions are negotiating a long term deal for SB QB Darnold that will make him the highest paid player in the NFL. Looking forward the Giants will again try and get it right, oh yes they have the 2nd pick in the up coming draft once more. Hopefully we'll have a conversation with President and GM Mara next week to get his view on the draft and what his plans are going forward.


Meanwhile, after leading the NFL again in fumbles and interceptions, the NY Jets cut ties with Sam Darnold, their former number one draft pick from USC. It’s been reported that Darnold has an offer from a team in the Canadian Football League.
RE: By being drafted second overall, Barkley’s $31m guaranteed money  
Giantfan in skinland : 4/27/2018 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13939782 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Is the second most guaranteed money given to RB all-time, behind Adrian Peterson. ($36m)


Man, think of all the pretzels and hot dogs he could buy with that.
RE: By being drafted second overall, Barkley’s $31m guaranteed money  
Jerry in DC : 4/27/2018 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13939782 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Is the second most guaranteed money given to RB all-time, behind Adrian Peterson. ($36m)


Numbers don't win football games. Football players win football games. Bud Grant told me that the only number I should care about is being number one. And that's how you become the best. Don't gimme this number crock. Hog mollie! Donut!
RE: RE: By being drafted second overall, Barkley’s $31m guaranteed money  
SGMen : 4/27/2018 4:07 pm : link
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Is the second most guaranteed money given to RB all-time, behind Adrian Peterson. ($36m)



Numbers don't win football games. Football players win football games. Bud Grant told me that the only number I should care about is being number one. And that's how you become the best. Don't gimme this number crock. Hog mollie! Donut!
Barring injury, Barkley will earn his pay over 5 years. He wasn't take #2 only because of his physical attributes and production. He was taken cause he is a character guy and good lockerroom teammate as I understand it. The kid's a father so he'll be primed to produce and such.
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