with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
but at least the people who were crying about not taking one at 2 might be slightly happier. And the team must see something they like quite a bit in him so we'll see if they're right or not.
I don't think they're really "all in" on Eli, and even if they are, they need to start finding a successor. Maybe it's Davis Webb, maybe no.
I also think they're in a great position to groom two young QBs. Last year they thought they were a contender and they needed a veteran to step in if Eli got hurt. This year, it doesn't matter.
arm just isn't strong enough for the NFL, especially late in the season in Giants stadium. Webb has a MUCH stronger arm, and has been in the league for a year already working his ass off.
Gentleman will give us some schoolmarmish lecture about "value." But the answer is stop wasting picks on day three QBs. Tom Brady was a complete fluke.
I get that you don't want Crosby. He only quick setted in pass protection in college. But Nickerson was still available, and this team needs a CB.
This is the same kind of crap that was supposed to end when Reese was fired.
If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
This is obviously the calculus. They have a plan
i agree. def a little insurance and creating competition. not bad. could save us from having to spend a high pick on a QB in near future...if webb or this guy pan out, we could fill other holes early in draft next year
RE: Nothing wrong with taking a developmental QB late.
in this league if you ain't got a QB. We now have two guys who have a shot to succeed Eli. And if neither pan out we will have to make a move but as someone who wanted one of the QB's in round 1 this makes me feel much better mainly because I think we only make this pick if Shurmur really likes this kid.
I don't think they're really "all in" on Eli, and even if they are, they need to start finding a successor. Maybe it's Davis Webb, maybe no.
I also think they're in a great position to groom two young QBs. Last year they thought they were a contender and they needed a veteran to step in if Eli got hurt. This year, it doesn't matter.
You can't groom two young QB's especially when your starting QB is learning a new offensive system, there's just not enough snaps, especially in season.
Very similar to Jimmy Garropollo. I think he's what you want in a QB where the NFL is heading.
Very accurate QB, very solid decision maker, great pocket presence. His footwork is outstanding. Deep ball accuracy and arm strength has been a concern, but he can throw it 50 yards easy.
with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
the value must have been too high their board to pass. Ultimately this brings back the scenario that many of us have talked about on BBI for months, and I specifically likened to the 1993 season. In 1993, the Giants had one more run in Simms to be competitive and wanted to have Dave Brown and Kent Graham sit behind him and learn. Come 1994, it became a battle to see who could earn the starting job.
The Giants essentially said that they didn't see the QB value at #2 and Barkley was too good to pass up. However, in round 4, looking at Lauletta, they will invest in that developmental pick at QB and set up for a battle in camp to be the backup, and ultimately target a battle in 2019 (if Eli is still there) to see who takes over as the starter.
They also bring in competition for Webb so he's not handed anything. I would have liked to see the tackle there, but he's sliding for a reason and there will be a run on QBs soon.
To me, it makes sense in the larger picture, but I still wanted to see another OL there.
Hoping 1 of 2 OL drop, both do, and they go a short QB?
First disappointment under DG...at least it was #108 and not 9 or 10.Thought he might be 5th.
That's a PS pick. Smaller, OK arm but fine for PS system, mobile QB .
with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Pennington's arm got worse after the numerous surgeries o the shoulder...
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
I like Lauletta and Webb. If you dont that is fine. People bitch about drafting a QB at 2 because we will never get another chance. If you miss on that pick you're fucked. If you have a 3rd and 4th round pick then the risk is minimal. Like pj posted earlier the odds of any 4th round pick working out is slim so why not take the chance on a QB? Under one of the west coast guys (Holmgren?) they say you should take a QB every year because the upside is worth it. So, stop bitching about stupid shit like twisting my words around.
As much as I wanted a positional player here, how can we
I recall when Simms was selected and guys were bitching. But we chose Perkins, our coach, in part because he was a QB guru. So things turned out fine for us.
If Lauletta is running our team in 3 years we're gonna be thankful for today.
I love Lauletta. Smart, smart QB. Great measurables. Excellent intangibles. Throws plenty hard enough for mid-range and sideline throws. Long ball floats a bit but he is very coachable and could get stronger.
The same guys imploding that we did not draft a QB at 2
that is actually who he is... Case Keenum also doesn't have a big arm but he is amazingly quick and reading plays correctly and making the correct anticipation throws. That is this kid. Not the type of QBs I like but you have to know that Shurmur will get the most of our him if he can play.
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Some of you dont get this pick? Really? You dont get it? Maybe they like this kid. Just a thought...
Webb was never going to stop the giants from taking a qb first second or 4th. Hes a piece to work with. Hes potential. Now they have another piece to work with. Another potentials How is this hard to understand?
If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
I like Lauletta and Webb. If you dont that is fine. People bitch about drafting a QB at 2 because we will never get another chance. If you miss on that pick you're fucked. If you have a 3rd and 4th round pick then the risk is minimal. Like pj posted earlier the odds of any 4th round pick working out is slim so why not take the chance on a QB? Under one of the west coast guys (Holmgren?) they say you should take a QB every year because the upside is worth it. So, stop bitching about stupid shit like twisting my words around.
Agreed.
People need to chill. Round 4-7 is where you take chances like this kid, Hurst and Griffin.
So instead of one longshot late round developmental QB
He fits everything Gettleman was saying that he looks for in a QB...
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Kyle has excellent leadership qualities and character and his intangibles might be the best in this draft glass of talented quarterbacks. He works well from the pocket and has the athleticism and agility to manipulate the pocket and extend plays and make first downs and touch downs with his feet as well as in the pass game. He is smart and instinctive and works the offense like a coach on the field.
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Kyle Lauletta has the potential to lift his game and the game of his teammates around him intellectually. I saw this at the Senior Bowl practices. He wouldnt change a play or a route if it didnt work all he did was say to his teammate, when you run that if you see a defense player between us just move a little to one side or the other so that I can see you better. These are the little things that make the play successful and teach your teammates and at the same time acknowledges why the Quarterback didnt complete the play the first time. This is maturity, instincts, and coach on the field intangibles that most young quarterbacks dont have.
If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
I like Lauletta and Webb. If you dont that is fine. People bitch about drafting a QB at 2 because we will never get another chance. If you miss on that pick you're fucked. If you have a 3rd and 4th round pick then the risk is minimal. Like pj posted earlier the odds of any 4th round pick working out is slim so why not take the chance on a QB? Under one of the west coast guys (Holmgren?) they say you should take a QB every year because the upside is worth it. So, stop bitching about stupid shit like twisting my words around.
I'll "bitch" about whatever I want. It's a draft discussion thread. If you're going to take my comments so personally, perhaps you'd be best not to read them.
Hoping 1 of 2 OL drop, both do, and they go a short QB?
First disappointment under DG...at least it was #108 and not 9 or 10.Thought he might be 5th.
That's a PS pick. Smaller, OK arm but fine for PS system, mobile QB .
How could they be sold on Webb or not sold on Webb? The guy hasnt played a regular season snap! Hes a piece. A guy to work with. Nothing more nothing less. You dont ignore him but you dont ignore collegiate prospects either.
the value must have been too high their board to pass. Ultimately this brings back the scenario that many of us have talked about on BBI for months, and I specifically likened to the 1993 season. In 1993, the Giants had one more run in Simms to be competitive and wanted to have Dave Brown and Kent Graham sit behind him and learn. Come 1994, it became a battle to see who could earn the starting job.
The Giants essentially said that they didn't see the QB value at #2 and Barkley was too good to pass up. However, in round 4, looking at Lauletta, they will invest in that developmental pick at QB and set up for a battle in camp to be the backup, and ultimately target a battle in 2019 (if Eli is still there) to see who takes over as the starter.
They also bring in competition for Webb so he's not handed anything. I would have liked to see the tackle there, but he's sliding for a reason and there will be a run on QBs soon.
To me, it makes sense in the larger picture, but I still wanted to see another OL there.
franchise QB at #2. But why not up our chances of finding Eli's replacement in the 4th round when he was considered a 2nd round value by some? On Thursday most of you guys were ok having our #2 overall pick hold the clipboard for a year and weren't concerned about 2018. Now all of a sudden we're going for the Super Bowl in 2018? If we're not SB contenders who cares if we didn't get a 2018 starter? We'll get him next year. Also, who is this difference maker we'll be getting in the 4th round anyway?
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Because the draft is not an exact science? Why did teams pass on joe Montana? Because as in tune and sharp and dedicated as the nfl scouting process is, its not perfect.
guys everyone breathe....jesus this board is like a fucking roller coaster. we took a developmental QB AGAIN with a coach who does a good job of getting the most out of his guys....webb n KL will battle for the backup job, and hopefully one is the successor. you are all acting like its impossible that webb or KL are the next guy for us....see romo, garapollo, etc. it happens. i would have rathered a OL or a CB but im okay with the pick
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
How stupid people are. Why do you think Webb is out now? We needed a third QB, may even bring in a 4th, here is a guy with a shot at developing, he gets to develop under Eli and with Webb, maybe one or both can develop into a decent QB, but at least we have a couple of young back ups. I am convinced that no matter what the Giants do people here are going to bitch, especially when they make their predictions and the Giants don't do as they predict. Such a huge blow to fragile ego's.
would've been a tackle. I'm actually kind of liking this pick. Outside of Baker at #2 (which was impossible), I'd rather have this guy in R4 than the "top" guys from #3-#10. Looks like a QB in the mold of Keenum. I can get behind it.
Kid showed at the Senior Bowl that nobody, no level of talent intimidates him. Right about where I had him going, but never thought we would be the ones to take him. Several teams were high on him and figured to pick him between 3rd and 5th rounds. Tough, smart and will continue to get better. At worst, trade bait at some point.
will rear it's head again this year. Lots of teams carry 3. Plenty of cases where teams have to actually use their 3rd stringer in games due to injuries. A 3rd QB will be one of the inactives every week so it doesn't really affect much.
How stupid people are. Why do you think Webb is out now? We needed a third QB, may even bring in a 4th, here is a guy with a shot at developing, he gets to develop under Eli and with Webb, maybe one or both can develop into a decent QB, but at least we have a couple of young back ups. I am convinced that no matter what the Giants do people here are going to bitch, especially when they make their predictions and the Giants don't do as they predict. Such a huge blow to fragile ego's.
If you are just looking for a 3rd stringer with all of Giants needs and lack of picks you use UDFA
That many of the posters who typically don't know what they are talking about are upset with this pick. That confirms the Giants made a good choice here.
with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
together with passing on what seemed like some talent that could have contributed right away on an OL that needs to improve significantly if we're going to do something with the 2 years that Eli has left - just doesn't seem like a coherent strategy.
Of course, a couple of guys had him rated as a 2nd round talent, so that justifies it. Davis Webb was rated a 1st rounder by some last season, and that meant a lot for how much playing time he got in a lost season.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
Reese & Co is still the gift that keeps on giving. Spending a pick on Webb but never letting him play in a 3-13 season and now our new regime is forced to use up another mid round pick for yet another backup QB.
Where have you gone Ryan Nassib, our nation turns its lonely eyes to you...
Honestly, if they have needs at this point they will probably be filled by June 1st cuts. This is where you take guys that help you more in the future. Every now and then you may hit on one that helps you right away. I like the pick, good value. The Pats do this stuff all the time, they drafted Garoppolo and picked Brisett as well a year or two later.
with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Weak arm? Where is everyone getting this from?
I don't know where everyone is getting it from, but I'm getting it from my own viewing of him
I guess the Giants are buying an insurance policy after Eli leaves and create competition for Webb. All the experts are raving about him. I guess we all get caught up into needs. I just surprised about the pick.
Removes any QB questions. Eli is our QB for the next 2 years.
Teams spent a fortune to get a young QB who will be anointed. The Giants spent only a 3rd and a 4th to get 2 NFL caliber QBs. No rush. Both will work hard and may the best man win. A battle rather than an anointment.
I really like Webb and Lauletta. Great family backgrounds and solid adults you would want to lead your team. Which ever one wins the eventual job down the road, it will be the results of proving it.
Time to start worrying about other positions. The Giants are set at QB.
Awesome.
If there is a negative, and its a very small one, it means you need to keep 3 QBs on your 53 man roster.
RE: Let the Future Giants Starting QB competition begin!
Could probably improve his long ball spin. (As did Alex Smith?)
As opposed to:
Guys with low football I. Q. Who spin it nice deep, but to where nobody knows, I mean, EFF that in the NFL. (Example redacted, nobody that's here anyway)
Well, it's better than just Webb. I guess the hope is between Webb and Lauletta pushing each other, one of them will emerge as a franchise guy. We'll see.
Bill Walsh built an entire offense around a QB with a weak arm.
Also guess who had the following draft report:
Negatives: Poor build. Very skinny and narrow. Looks a little frail and lacks great physical stature and strength. Can get pushed down more easily than you'd like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
This is the math question to ponder:
(a) Barkley + Lauletta?
or
(b) Darnold/Rosen + Chubb/Jones/any of the highly rates RBs in this deep RB pool.
This is the legacy test for Jints Central and Mara/Gettleman/Accorsi...
together with passing on what seemed like some talent that could have contributed right away on an OL that needs to improve significantly if we're going to do something with the 2 years that Eli has left - just doesn't seem like a coherent strategy.
Of course, a couple of guys had him rated as a 2nd round talent, so that justifies it. Davis Webb was rated a 1st rounder by some last season, and that meant a lot for how much playing time he got in a lost season.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
Did you think the OL left on the board in Rd4 were going to come in and start?
I'm sure a lot of the people in this thread bashing Lauletta's "weak" arm were touting Mason Rudolph's "strong" arm when they ripped off the same 52 mph at the combine. They also probably like DeShaun Watson and his 49 mph cannon. Be rational.
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
I remember before his last year in college Landry Jones was being tossed around as a possible first rounder. Granted, he did indeed suck in the pros and his time is up with Rudolph in the fold.
He's got a giant, impossible to ignore flaw with a weak arm and played against sub-par competition. This is a very, very low percentage of success move.
First of all Chubb was gone also. you keep trying to add players that weren't available and you go hey would you want a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder or a 1st and a 4th? Really it should be in your own words
Would you want
A) Darnold + Chubb
or
B) Barkley + Will Hernandez + Lauletta
there fixed for you... I a keeping the 1st round ranked stud OG thank you.
with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Weak arm? Where is everyone getting this from?
I don't know where everyone is getting it from, but I'm getting it from my own viewing of him
Please quantify that, all measurable analysis has him in the same range as most of today's NFL QBs.
together with passing on what seemed like some talent that could have contributed right away on an OL that needs to improve significantly if we're going to do something with the 2 years that Eli has left - just doesn't seem like a coherent strategy.
Of course, a couple of guys had him rated as a 2nd round talent, so that justifies it. Davis Webb was rated a 1st rounder by some last season, and that meant a lot for how much playing time he got in a lost season.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
Did you think the OL left on the board in Rd4 were going to come in and start?
On this OL? Where we're hoping that a 6th rounder and a UDFA from the season prior compete for a starting spot, I'm going to go out on a limb and say why not?
Have in Webb. They said that. This pick is about value and position competition. If his arm was stronger he would have gone high first round. I wouldnt have picked him ONLY because of his arm in MetLife, but thats me what do I know.
I just don't see how you can handle a move to a new system and give two developmental guys the required snaps to give either a fair shot at progressing. Shouldn't be a massive issue in training camp but it'll very problematic inseason.
Or they think enough of Webb to backup Eli this year rather than bring in a Vet. They now have 2 young kids let the competition begin. If one of them turns into something, it's a homerun. I'll trust our new HC that there's a possibility here.
He's got a giant, impossible to ignore flaw with a weak arm and played against sub-par competition. This is a very, very low percentage of success move.
Percentage? NERRRRRRRRRRRRRD!
We don't do the math thing around here folks (bangs on keyboard, makes nerd noises).
with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Weak arm? Where is everyone getting this from?
I don't know where everyone is getting it from, but I'm getting it from my own viewing of him
Please quantify that, all measurable analysis has him in the same range as most of today's NFL QBs.
Well, he had trouble throwing the ball downfield in college.
RE: RE: Nothing wrong with taking a developmental QB late.
1. Not give up too early on Eli (after last years debacle) and give him to the end of his contract (which the Giants are big on) . That means 2 years IF he plays well this year under a much better HC/OC combination and improved OL.
2. Believe in Davis Webb enough (at least not to anoint another guy at pick #2 over him). He has been the consummate back up the day he stepped into the Giants facility and has busted his butt. A model QB understudy and exactly the persona the Giants love for their QB.
3. Take a QB later in draft (but still top 4 rounds) that you have a very high grade on like Lauletta, Mike White, or maybe Faulk. So the 'investment' is not as high but he can also provide competition and insurance for Davis Webb in case he doesn't pan out.
4. Also just as important a rare 'transformational' grade on a player you can take at the top of draft instead of a QB in Barkley.
If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
I like Lauletta and Webb. If you dont that is fine. People bitch about drafting a QB at 2 because we will never get another chance. If you miss on that pick you're fucked. If you have a 3rd and 4th round pick then the risk is minimal. Like pj posted earlier the odds of any 4th round pick working out is slim so why not take the chance on a QB? Under one of the west coast guys (Holmgren?) they say you should take a QB every year because the upside is worth it. So, stop bitching about stupid shit like twisting my words around.
Ron Wolfe in his book me ruined that about theory of drafting a QB every year.
I'm just against picking any quarterback in any round unless you like the guy so much you intend to insert him as the starter by mid season of current year. Stupid waste of a draft pick as was the last QB we drafted.
of you guys are ridiculous. It's starting to get comical with all the complaining. I'm excited to see this young QB develop. If he does, awesome. If he doesn't we still have Webb, and didn't waste a premium pick on him. Big fan of what the Giants are doing. For me this is smart drafting. I hope it all works out, and I can't wait to start rooting for this rookie class.
1) There's limited number of developmental snaps to go around
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
that Gettleman will take the highest rated player on his board no matter the perceived (by the fans... 99% of whom arent as knowledgeable about the team as they think) needs of the team... which, to the best of my knowledge, usually works out for the best in the end.
What he can do is anticipate coverage and put the ball in the right spots. Kid had 4 offensive coordinators in 4 years, so he is used to both pro and spread type offenses. His tape screams at me like a former Giants nemesis in Tony Romo. Small school guy. Known as a leader. Some arm strength questions, but gets the job done.
Is he better than Webb? I dont know. But at least now, you have two shots at the heir apparent to Eli.
Removes any QB questions. Eli is our QB for the next 2 years.
Teams spent a fortune to get a young QB who will be anointed. The Giants spent only a 3rd and a 4th to get 2 NFL caliber QBs. No rush. Both will work hard and may the best man win. A battle rather than an anointment.
I really like Webb and Lauletta. Great family backgrounds and solid adults you would want to lead your team. Which ever one wins the eventual job down the road, it will be the results of proving it.
Time to start worrying about other positions. The Giants are set at QB.
Awesome.
If there is a negative, and its a very small one, it means you need to keep 3 QBs on your 53 man roster.
The Steelers seem to be following the same model with Dobbs and Lauletta.
Or they think enough of Webb to backup Eli this year rather than bring in a Vet. They now have 2 young kids let the competition begin. If one of them turns into something, it's a homerun. I'll trust our new HC that there's a possibility here.
You can spin it however you want, but if the Giants have to hedge their bets by taking another QB, it means that they're not sold on Webb.
I was actually holding out hope that they passed on a QB at 2 because they really liked Webb. Now I know that they don't.
After watching RGIII / Cousins, even Wentz / Foles, tho not #1s
I get it. Insurance & flexibility at the most important position, as well as a shot at a starter / backup, if not the chance to flip one should both produce
Also makes sense given Shurmur's situation in MN w/ Bridgewater / Bradford / Keenum and his QB coaching experience (as well as what Bettcher saw at QB in AZ fwiw). Maybe they don't like Webb, maybe they just like KL, or maybe they know they need a #1 / #2 soon with Eli near the end
And that's what the Giants did....I have no problem with this....everybody here is so freakin emotional, which is why none of you are making picks for an NFL team......one day, I have a feeling that every negative poster on this thread is gonna be called out at some time in the future......you go with your board....
I hope Webb pans out, this is just another opportunity. If they can hit on one of the two it allows them to go 1-3 more years with Eli and then hopefully have a successor ready without having to spend really premium picks on a guy either selecting him or trading up for him.
Right approach I think.
They also just didnt have a third string QB until now.
First of all Chubb was gone also. you keep trying to add players that weren't available and you go hey would you want a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder or a 1st and a 4th? Really it should be in your own words
Would you want
A) Darnold + Chubb
or
B) Barkley + Will Hernandez + Lauletta
there fixed for you... I a keeping the 1st round ranked stud OG thank you.
Jones and Chubb went after Hernandez. So both were available.
Fine. I'll add a third varriable.
Darnold + Chubb + Christian.
Something to think about...
RE: The pick make no sense for a number of reasons
1) There's limited number of developmental snaps to go around
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
1. Shurmur obviously likes him and dont you think he knows a thing or two about qbs. I have no problem letting he and Webb battle it out for Elis throne.
2. Crosby apparently is not as good as Wheeler, Biz, and Flowers.
So, this pick is more for the future, right? KL can be more beneficial in the long run than Crosby. In fact, KL just might be the man after Elis two years are up. We dont really know, do we?
3. Do you trust Shurmur, DG, and our new qb coach? Or do you trust your skills in evaluating qbs more?
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Its called gambling. The pats probably looked at who would likely pick a Qb and thought he could last later. Same may hold true with the Saints.
thought about it for a bit. It's not a stupid pick...
of you guys are ridiculous. It's starting to get comical with all the complaining. I'm excited to see this young QB develop. If he does, awesome. If he doesn't we still have Webb, and didn't waste a premium pick on him. Big fan of what the Giants are doing. For me this is smart drafting. I hope it all works out, and I can't wait to start rooting for this rookie class.
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
Check the link, plenty of flukes on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB. List of Fluke QBs picked later in the draft... - ( New Window )
Unless the Giants believe he's a lot better than Webb, this is where I begin to have a problem with BPA. I don't buy needing to have two developmental QB's unless they both have exceptional potential to develop into a quality franchise QB. If they drafted a speed bump, it would be more likely to actually to ultimately contribute.
First of all Chubb was gone also. you keep trying to add players that weren't available and you go hey would you want a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder or a 1st and a 4th? Really it should be in your own words
Would you want
A) Darnold + Chubb
or
B) Barkley + Will Hernandez + Lauletta
there fixed for you... I a keeping the 1st round ranked stud OG thank you.
Jones and Chubb went after Hernandez. So both were available.
Fine. I'll add a third varriable.
Darnold + Chubb + Christian.
Something to think about...
No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.
And that's what the Giants did....I have no problem with this....everybody here is so freakin emotional, which is why none of you are making picks for an NFL team......one day, I have a feeling that every negative poster on this thread is gonna be called out at some time in the future......you go with your board....
People said that about Nassib and others as well. Pretty sure no one regrets their posts about those guys..
1. Shurmur obviously likes him and dont you think he knows a thing or two about qbs. I have no problem letting he and Webb battle it out for Elis throne.
2. Crosby apparently is not as good as Wheeler, Biz, and Flowers.
So, this pick is more for the future, right? KL can be more beneficial in the long run than Crosby. In fact, KL just might be the man after Elis two years are up. We dont really know, do we?
3. Do you trust Shurmur, DG, and our new qb coach? Or do you trust your skills in evaluating qbs more?
How do you know Crosby is not as good? Its only the 4th round, Biz was a 6th rounder and Wheeler undrafted
RE: The pick make no sense for a number of reasons
1) There's limited number of developmental snaps to go around
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
1 - How do you know how many developmental snaps are available? are you at the Giants practices, meetings, training camp...That's a false statement.
2 - This regime did not spend any picks on anyone last year, this is their first draft.
3 - Again, how do you know neither is ready?
4 - I don't even have to name the qbs who were drafted later in the drafting that are starting right now for NFL teams.
5 - The Draft is not the end all be all for getting depth in this league, NFL FA, UDFA, and post training camp cuts will all be considered as well.
So many of the same people who said we had to have a QB are now bitching we drafted one. You can not Make it up. So it was okay
to take a QB in the 1st round hold the clipboard and do nothing and not focus on a position of need Now they take one they believe talent is better than where they are drafting him and the world ends.Thank God your not the GMs. This is creating competition at the most important position on the field. Good for DG and his staff. Great job so far.
...but I'm not crazy about some of the negatives including:
Arm strength is a substantial concern;
Can't make all the NFL throws;
Perception of pressure can affect him;
Feet start dancing nervously when his internal clock goes off (hello Kerry Collins).
Positives include:
Heralded by scouts as team leader and elected team captain twice;
Has experience from shotgun, pistol and under center;
Footwork is smooth in play-action and setup;
Able to throw accurately to intermediate targets on the move.
very different from the nassib pick. nassib was hopefully never going to play for the giants. remember those quotes? AND they traded up to get nassib. AND it was clear from watching him in college that he sucked. i don't think this kid sucks, he has a chance to take the reigns from Eli, and they didn't trade up to get him
the part that concerns me is they seem to be trying to win now. would they not have been better off drafting someone here who can help with this? there are LOTS of holes on this team still.
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
Check the link, plenty of flukes on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB. List of Fluke QBs picked later in the draft... - ( New Window )
10 QB on a list that goes back to Bart Starr in 1956. How many QBs total were taken in round four or later in the last 62 years?
RE: RE: The pick make no sense for a number of reasons
1) There's limited number of developmental snaps to go around
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
1 - How do you know how many developmental snaps are available? are you at the Giants practices, meetings, training camp...That's a false statement.
2 - This regime did not spend any picks on anyone last year, this is their first draft.
3 - Again, how do you know neither is ready?
4 - I don't even have to name the qbs who were drafted later in the drafting that are starting right now for NFL teams.
5 - The Draft is not the end all be all for getting depth in this league, NFL FA, UDFA, and post training camp cuts will all be considered as well.
Thank you for this intelligent rebuttal. You win....hands down.
under the new regime. This pick has nothing to do with them "liking" him. This is about them picking their own QB and creating competition at the most important position in football.
So many of the same people who said we had to have a QB are now bitching we drafted one. You can not Make it up. So it was okay
to take a QB in the 1st round hold the clipboard and do nothing and not focus on a position of need Now they take one they believe talent is better than where they are drafting him and the world ends.Thank God your not the GMs. This is creating competition at the most important position on the field. Good for DG and his staff. Great job so far.
So all QB's drafted are equal? There's a big difference between taking a QB you feel will be your next franchise QB to stand around for a season or two and learn compared to taking one who is likely to never do anything OTHER than stand around.
If they believe Webb can never be a starter, and Lauletta can, it's an entirely different story. I don't have an absolute opinion about Lauletta one way or the other, but from what I've seen, I don't have overwhelming confidence he will be that guy.
very different from the nassib pick. nassib was hopefully never going to play for the giants. remember those quotes? AND they traded up to get nassib. AND it was clear from watching him in college that he sucked. i don't think this kid sucks, he has a chance to take the reigns from Eli, and they didn't trade up to get him
the part that concerns me is they seem to be trying to win now. would they not have been better off drafting someone here who can help with this? there are LOTS of holes on this team still.
There's a lot of revisionist history at play here. It's really not much different from the Nassib pick at all. Nassib was someone Mayock and others listed as having starter potential. And it was clear he didn't have it after a few years.
The quote of "we hope he never has to play" was very clear. Eli Manning was their best option at the time. If Nassib had to play, something bad happened to the starter.
But I've read alot about this kid. I think the basement is Case Keenum. The ceiling...Joe Montana
I agree on the basement :-)
I don't get the angst.
Neither DG or PS drafted Webb.
It's a little irrational to be upset, when for the most important position on any football team, the leadership of our franchise didn't pick Webb and we're all supposed to fall in line and think he's nailed that job?
And this isn't Nassib 2.0. With Nassib they traded UP to get him.
I feel Shurmer and Shula are very good at developing and evaluating QB's. They had conviction in this kid. There is no way this was just the scouts here. The HC and OC had to be heavily involved here.
Guys days 1 and 2 were a homerun.
This is the first pick which is more towards the future.
So many of the same people who said we had to have a QB are now bitching we drafted one. You can not Make it up. So it was okay
to take a QB in the 1st round hold the clipboard and do nothing and not focus on a position of need Now they take one they believe talent is better than where they are drafting him and the world ends.Thank God your not the GMs. This is creating competition at the most important position on the field. Good for DG and his staff. Great job so far.
It's not too hard to figure out that these people wanted a specific QB not just any QB. I wanted draft either Darnold or Rosen. I didn't want Allen, Rudolph, Jackson, or Lauletta. Lauletta lacks the arm strength to handle the winds of Metlife stadium.
Low percentage chance guys to be our franchise about. The chances are neither works out, but it is like buying another raffle ticket- it improves your chances somewhat. I dont mind it, at first glance or thought. Both guys were the MVP of the Senior Bowl
The Giants selected Richmond quarterback Kyle Lauletta with their fourth-round pick.
"Very good in all areas. Winner. Competitor. Only lacks elite arm strength, but he makes up for it with his legs and moxie," Giants coach Pat Shurmur told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a text message. ESPN - ( New Window )
So many of the same people who said we had to have a QB are now bitching we drafted one. You can not Make it up. So it was okay
to take a QB in the 1st round hold the clipboard and do nothing and not focus on a position of need Now they take one they believe talent is better than where they are drafting him and the world ends.Thank God your not the GMs. This is creating competition at the most important position on the field. Good for DG and his staff. Great job so far.
It's not too hard to figure out that these people wanted a specific QB not just any QB. I wanted draft either Darnold or Rosen. I didn't want Allen, Rudolph, Jackson, or Lauletta. Lauletta lacks the arm strength to handle the winds of Metlife stadium.
The "wind" of Met Life is a myth. Met Life is no where near as windy as Giants Stadium. Not even close.
My concern is the strategy, chances of drafting a real franchise guy here is so low. With all the holes on the roster at CB, DE, OL, to take this shot is almost irresponsible.
1. Shurmur obviously likes him and dont you think he knows a thing or two about qbs. I have no problem letting he and Webb battle it out for Elis throne.
2. Crosby apparently is not as good as Wheeler, Biz, and Flowers.
So, this pick is more for the future, right? KL can be more beneficial in the long run than Crosby. In fact, KL just might be the man after Elis two years are up. We dont really know, do we?
3. Do you trust Shurmur, DG, and our new qb coach? Or do you trust your skills in evaluating qbs more?
My concern is the strategy, chances of drafting a real franchise guy here is so low. With all the holes on the roster at CB, DE, OL, to take this shot is almost irresponsible.
Exactly! Even though it's only a 4th round pick, a 4th round CB, LB, DL or OL who gets to play even a little is going to a lot more valuable the QB who probably never will.
The Giants selected Richmond quarterback Kyle Lauletta with their fourth-round pick.
"Very good in all areas. Winner. Competitor. Only lacks elite arm strength, but he makes up for it with his legs and moxie," Giants coach Pat Shurmur told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a text message. ESPN - ( New Window )
From a cursory review, isn't this basically what they say about Darnold? Just that KL maybe has better mechanics & a quicker release?
but Eli is just about done (or already done depending on who you ask). when nassib was picked it was as a just in case backup, not as a potential replacement in a year or two
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
Check the link, plenty of flukes on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB. List of Fluke QBs picked later in the draft... - ( New Window )
10 QB on a list that goes back to Bart Starr in 1956. How many QBs total were taken in round four or later in the last 62 years?
Heres an article From 2016 tracking QBs taken in the 4th round since 1980. I love how it starts. Also, I have a suspicion that if the Pats had indeed taken Lauletta, it would have been caonsidered a great move, value pick, future replacement for Brady etc. in fact at least one draft review gave us an A for this pick.
The fourth round of the NFL draft has never been a throwaway round for quarterbacks.
Since 1980, there have been 58 quarterbacks selected in the fourth. NFL teams have found NCAA passing champions (Stefan LeFors), consensus All-Americas (Mark Herrmann) and Heisman Trophy winners (Danny Wuerffel, Chris Weinke) there.
Quarterbacks in that round have gone on to produce 3,000- (Aaron Brooks, Kyle Orton) and 4,000-yard passing seasons (Scott Mitchell, Kirk Cousins) in the NFL. They've also gone on to be named Pro Bowler (Steve Beuerlein) and NFL MVP (Rich Gannon).
Kyle Lauletta will never amount to anything in the NFL. And 9 or the next 10 guys drafted will never amount to anything in the NFL. And all the guys you wanted to draft will never amount to anything in the NFL.
As as aside, it's pretty interesting to see the level of expertise that you guys have when it comes to a Richmond QB and a UTEP OG. You guys really must have been putting in hours watching that "film".
I actually have seen Lauletta play one game of football. From my recollection Richmond scored a lot of points and Lauletta played well. I have no further opinion, aside from the obvious - 4th round picks usually don't go very far.
1) There's limited number of developmental snaps to go around
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
1 - How do you know how many developmental snaps are available? are you at the Giants practices, meetings, training camp...That's a false statement.
2 - This regime did not spend any picks on anyone last year, this is their first draft.
3 - Again, how do you know neither is ready?
4 - I don't even have to name the qbs who were drafted later in the drafting that are starting right now for NFL teams.
5 - The Draft is not the end all be all for getting depth in this league, NFL FA, UDFA, and post training camp cuts will all be considered as well.
1 - because there's a limited number of snaps at practice. Hence why Webb want ready to play Game 15 of a 3-13 season.
2 - whether this regime spent the pick or not two mid round picks have been spent on developmental Qbs when one could have went to the secondary for example.
3 - Lauletta isn't ready to play if Eli goes down Week 1 else he doesn't go round 4.
4 - your harping on the exceptions not the rules. 8 of the 12 playoff teams were led by a first round QB, and before you say Foles, Wentz got them the number one seed
New York Giants: Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond A+ Grade
I don't understand why Kyle Lauletta wasn't selected on Day 2. He easily could've been taken on Day 2, and it could be argued that he's the fifth-best quarterback in the class. Kyle Lauletta could definitely replace Eli Manning in a year or two and become a solid starter in the NFL
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The Giants selected Richmond quarterback Kyle Lauletta with their fourth-round pick.
"Very good in all areas. Winner. Competitor. Only lacks elite arm strength, but he makes up for it with his legs and moxie," Giants coach Pat Shurmur told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a text message. ESPN - ( New Window )
From a cursory review, isn't this basically what they say about Darnold? Just that KL maybe has better mechanics & a quicker release?
And b4 someone says it, I'm just noticing similar analysis not saying one is as good
No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.
Are you suggesting Christian isn't a good OL prospect? Or perhaps you don't know who he is?
Christian Sam OG from ASU? Yeah I am a pac-12 guy and he isn't even close to Will Hernandez who everyone had as a 1st rounder. Sam is a 5th rounder.
No, Geron Christian, Louisville.
You're lost...
Geron was picked in the 3rd round so you are cheating again. That is why I didn't know who you were talking about. I assumed you would be talking about someone that hasn't been taken or taken in the 4th as that is the same as Lauletta.
You are saying hey you want 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder or a 1st, 2nd, and 4th rounder.
Here let me help you.
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
under the new regime. This pick has nothing to do with them "liking" him. This is about them picking their own QB and creating competition at the most important position in football.
This pick has EVERYTHING to do with the Giants not liking Webb. As you noted, they wanted to pick their own QB.
but Eli is just about done (or already done depending on who you ask). when nassib was picked it was as a just in case backup, not as a potential replacement in a year or two
I agree Eli is close to the end. But it's going to be Barkley's team when Eli's done. If Saquon is what they think he is, it's a lot easier for the next QB, whoever it is, to step in and play.
The Reese/Coughlin regime was TERRIBLE at this. Jared Lorenzen, Andre Woodson, Ryan Perilloux, Rhett Bomar, Ryan Nassib... They couldn't find a QB who even ended up being good enough to flip for a pick.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
But wemore any CB or WR available for NYG to take? At one point I did say theyd 100% draft Lauletta. Just am wondering if a potential WR 2 or CB to either replace BMarsh or DRC as nickel. Guess its on William Gay
RE: I assume this means we're carrying 3 QBs all season.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
But the argument can be made that realizing they need to replace him and to continue to do it with mid round guys and passing on better options is a bad strategy.
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
Check the link, plenty of flukes on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB. List of Fluke QBs picked later in the draft... - ( New Window )
10 QB on a list that goes back to Bart Starr in 1956. How many QBs total were taken in round four or later in the last 62 years?
Heres an article From 2016 tracking QBs taken in the 4th round since 1980. I love how it starts. Also, I have a suspicion that if the Pats had indeed taken Lauletta, it would have been caonsidered a great move, value pick, future replacement for Brady etc. in fact at least one draft review gave us an A for this pick.
The fourth round of the NFL draft has never been a throwaway round for quarterbacks.
Since 1980, there have been 58 quarterbacks selected in the fourth. NFL teams have found NCAA passing champions (Stefan LeFors), consensus All-Americas (Mark Herrmann) and Heisman Trophy winners (Danny Wuerffel, Chris Weinke) there.
Quarterbacks in that round have gone on to produce 3,000- (Aaron Brooks, Kyle Orton) and 4,000-yard passing seasons (Scott Mitchell, Kirk Cousins) in the NFL. They've also gone on to be named Pro Bowler (Steve Beuerlein) and NFL MVP (Rich Gannon). 4th round QBs since 1980 - ( New Window )
Cousins is by far the best of that lot. Add in Beuerlein and Gannon and that's three. Out of 58. Brooks, Orton, and Mitchell were decidedly average. The rest were awful. No thanks.
Brooks and Mitchell also had much better arms than Lauletta. This isn't just that we have a ton of holes. His lack of arm strength means the overwhelming likelihood is that he's at best a backup.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
But the argument can be made that realizing they need to replace him and to continue to do it with mid round guys and passing on better options is a bad strategy.
and the other argument can be made that franchise qbs are not always drafted early in the draft, because they are in fact not.
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
Oh, for crissakes you really can't follow.
I'm taking Darnold over Barkley? Easy enough?
Then I'm taking players who were available in rounds 2 and 3 that were selected AFTER we picked.
Let me dummy it down further:
We selected Hernandez in round 2. Right? Instead, we could have had Chubb or Jones because both were available. So RB need filled - capiche?
In round three, we selected Lo Carter. Are you with me? Instead, we could have selected Geron Christian who went after Carter. Thus, oline need filled...
If you can acknowledge that you get this, we can move forward. Otherwise, on to the next pick...
strength isn't about throwing 60 yard bombs. It's about throwing 20 yard outs and comebacks against exceptionally tight windows, or deep seam passes before a safety crushes the receiver.
It's all good - you Pac12 guys are normally lost since good football is really east of the Mississippi... ;)
Hey just because you are asleep doesn't mean we aren't still playing great football... Oh and Darnold.. Pac12! so even you want Barkley over Darnold! hahaha
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
And I suggest you stop taking everything a HC says about liking or not liking a player as fact. What the hell was he supposed to say about Webb when asked?
I stand by my comment. If the Giants/Shurmur/DG were "actually impressed" with Webb, they wouldn't have hedged their bets and taken another QB.
And might I also suggest you tone it down with the condescending "this isn't that hard folks" comments, as if you're the only one who has figured this out and yours is the only opinion that matters!
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
Oh, for crissakes you really can't follow.
I'm taking Darnold over Barkley? Easy enough?
Then I'm taking players who were available in rounds 2 and 3 that were selected AFTER we picked.
Let me dummy it down further:
We selected Hernandez in round 2. Right? Instead, we could have had Chubb or Jones because both were available. So RB need filled - capiche?
In round three, we selected Lo Carter. Are you with me? Instead, we could have selected Geron Christian who went after Carter. Thus, oline need filled...
If you can acknowledge that you get this, we can move forward. Otherwise, on to the next pick...
Right so you are saying then...
Darnold, Chubb, Geron Christian, BJ Hill, some random 4th rounder you want to name later
or
Barkley, Will Hernanadez, Carter, Hill, or Lauletta
Again I am keeping Carter and the day one starter at OG which we need bad.
12 of 32 teams last year had starting QB's who were not drafted in the first round. Not saying all of those 12 are franchise guys either. But, there's value to be had later in the draft. You trust your board, and make the picks you see fit. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Let's just start rooting for the kid, he's a Giant now.
strength isn't about throwing 60 yard bombs. It's about throwing 20 yard outs and comebacks against exceptionally tight windows, or deep seam passes before a safety crushes the receiver.
And he did this at the Senior Bowl and while at Richmond. The kid may wind up being horrible but theres a vast difference between not having elite arm strength and having a noodle arm. No one said Chad Pennington had an elite arm but he was good until the injuries.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
But the argument can be made that realizing they need to replace him and to continue to do it with mid round guys and passing on better options is a bad strategy.
and the other argument can be made that franchise qbs are not always drafted early in the draft, because they are in fact not.
There are exceptions sure, but drafting developmental options late who already have the odds against them relies so much on being able to develop them.
Rosen and Darnold have much more in their favor skill wise to be at least league average.
strength isn't about throwing 60 yard bombs. It's about throwing 20 yard outs and comebacks against exceptionally tight windows, or deep seam passes before a safety crushes the receiver.
And he did this at the Senior Bowl and while at Richmond. The kid may wind up being horrible but theres a vast difference between not having elite arm strength and having a noodle arm. No one said Chad Pennington had an elite arm but he was good until the injuries.
he has a stronger arm that Deshaun Watson... so arm strength can be over rated if you can make quick decisions, with a quick release, and are accurate. Now who knows if Kyle does or not... time will tell and the odds are he, like most 4th rounders won't make it.
But without serious offensive line help, which Hernandez is, it's a waste.
If that is addressed to me, I satisfy that OL need with Geron Christian over Hernandez. GC is a stud tackle who may stay at T or could move to G. Skins got a real bargain with him in the 3rd round...
Kirk Cousins was tied for number one in QB velocity
strength isn't about throwing 60 yard bombs. It's about throwing 20 yard outs and comebacks against exceptionally tight windows, or deep seam passes before a safety crushes the receiver.
And short to middle distance throws are where he excels. Sorry you hate the pick, but many draft experts give it an "A". I love it. Hate away.....
is even going to be head coach in 3-4 years from now? If Eli plays like crap and Darnold is playing well, good chance both he and Gettleman we'll be out 3 years from now if they've totally blown there evaluations of this years QB class. If they are right, then the forth round pick may turn out fine - odds are against it, and they keep making the same mistakes over and over again.
Thanks for the links. Seems like he has a lot of positives in terms of throwing w/ anticipation, footwork, supposedly already top level reads / processing in play, good accuracy on the run, pocket presence...a lot to like and hope that he can develop into a starter if not solid backup
I think this is a good gamble. If Shurmur likes him then that is good enough for me. Lauletta is very accurate and he goes through his progressions quickly and gets rid of the football. I could have overblown his lack of arm strength. He has plenty for the short and intermediate throws. It's the long ball that is the only concern. If this kid had a stronger arm he would have been in discussion for a top 10 pick.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
Exactly. QB Lauletta was a very good value pick here and as noted he has a quick release which is good in today's era.
QB competition is a good thing so I'm very happy with this quality value pick.
lauletta than have a dud like geno smith clogging up the roster for no purpose fact is they needed barkley they need to get the running game going with guice,ajayi and zeke in the division now they need the horses to compete with that
shurmurs offence is heavily keyed to the running back with play actions,screens and designed RB passes that requires a dual threat guy like barkley to make it really work and one who is a good enough blocker to play from the start in week 1 the only guy in the draft that would give that was barkley
the OL is a mess and hernandez is neck and neck with nelson as best OG in the draft so getting him in the second was a steal and also a huge need for them so once you factor these picks in you were looking mid rounds for a QB if you were going to draft one this year
they clearly believe in eli and gave him a better OL and a key weapon to make him better,one that eases the stress on him to make something out of nothing as well ,they like webb as do the majority of the team but they arent taking that for granted and are adding their development guy (as webb was a reese pick not the current staff's pick)
DG added alot of free agent CB's and this was a weak CB class they are also needing more strength and depth along the front 7 to allow bettcher to change to that hybrid 3-4/4-3 scheme so they are getting him the guys to allow that to happen even thou they are listed as DT's the guys they pick will need to play some 3-4 DE when martin and vernon drop off into OLB at the snap
DG doesnt value the CB position as much and bettcher didnt have shutdown corners in arizona either the honey badger was key in his scheme as collins will be for him here he made arizona a better defence with lesser personnel and is looking to do the same here except he does have 1 shutdown CB and another one who if he gets his head right can be as well
the scheme is about confusing the offence on what coverage they are facing and where they are going to bring pressure from on any given play,they where to predictable under spags last year and teams had figured him out that was why the defence struggled versus the previous year with the same personnel bar hankins
they can still add a WR before the season starts if the price is right a motivated dez could be a good addition especially in the games against dallas where you know he will give you 110% but with barkley and engram they have guys who can play WR routes that will allow them to adjust without the WR if needed
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
And I suggest you stop taking everything a HC says about liking or not liking a player as fact. What the hell was he supposed to say about Webb when asked?
I stand by my comment. If the Giants/Shurmur/DG were "actually impressed" with Webb, they wouldn't have hedged their bets and taken another QB.
And might I also suggest you tone it down with the condescending "this isn't that hard folks" comments, as if you're the only one who has figured this out and yours is the only opinion that matters!
RB or WR. Saquon should be a 3-down back. None of this split carries nonsense. Keep Gallman, maybe keep Perkins.
Engram serves as a WR in some packages which means you don't have to keep the normal number of WRs.
If they're running a 3-4, which they are, it means they need to keep more linebackers on the roster as well.
No Engram does not serve as a WR in some packages . He serves as a TE split out wide once and awhile when they think they can get a match up advantage with a S. Engram did not go to WR when all the injuries hit. He remained a TE.
As for needing a preponderance of LBs-this is not a dogmatic 3-4. The DC mixes fronts . You will see some odd fronts and evens.
the value must have been too high their board to pass. Ultimately this brings back the scenario that many of us have talked about on BBI for months, and I specifically likened to the 1993 season. In 1993, the Giants had one more run in Simms to be competitive and wanted to have Dave Brown and Kent Graham sit behind him and learn. Come 1994, it became a battle to see who could earn the starting job.
The Giants essentially said that they didn't see the QB value at #2 and Barkley was too good to pass up. However, in round 4, looking at Lauletta, they will invest in that developmental pick at QB and set up for a battle in camp to be the backup, and ultimately target a battle in 2019 (if Eli is still there) to see who takes over as the starter.
They also bring in competition for Webb so he's not handed anything. I would have liked to see the tackle there, but he's sliding for a reason and there will be a run on QBs soon.
To me, it makes sense in the larger picture, but I still wanted to see another OL there.
I hope Webb and Lauletta have a lot more success than Brown and Graham. Dark days.
The actuary tables suggest he will be dead in 11 years . No offense ; Im alive after being diagnosed with cancer 3 during that magical Super Bowl run of 11. But heres the thing: hes going to he judged at QB. The three he passed on versus his RB, how long Eli continues to play , how well he plays and if either young QB is worth a damn . Especially with Darnold in the same building , he could get lit up like a fire cracker . But thats going to take some time .
The picks looked good to this informed amateur . I didnt like Hill , but DTs are tough to project . He ignored what could be an extremely porous secondary . But maybe he has some guys lined up that are under everybodys radar .
Then apart from all of this is Beckham . Whats he going to do with him ? Stay tuned for a very interesting summer saga .
What jumped out to me was his quick release. I've never seen a Giants QB with that quick of a release. Reminded me of Tony Romo the way he gets it out so fast.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
And I suggest you stop taking everything a HC says about liking or not liking a player as fact. What the hell was he supposed to say about Webb when asked?
I stand by my comment. If the Giants/Shurmur/DG were "actually impressed" with Webb, they wouldn't have hedged their bets and taken another QB.
And might I also suggest you tone it down with the condescending "this isn't that hard folks" comments, as if you're the only one who has figured this out and yours is the only opinion that matters!
hey fuckhead this is Eric's site, you are here because he allows it, so either deal with it or go kick rocks. OH and he's absolutely right, this was a solid pick. Effya
What jumped out to me was his quick release. I've never seen a Giants QB with that quick of a release. Reminded me of Tony Romo the way he gets it out so fast.
strength isn't about throwing 60 yard bombs. It's about throwing 20 yard outs and comebacks against exceptionally tight windows, or deep seam passes before a safety crushes the receiver.
Good points made here. I looked at some film of KL, including the Senior Bowl, and he threw the ball pretty far on a few passes I noticed right on the money. Maybe he cant throw it as far as Allen, but Allen is also not nearly as accurate. So, would you rather have the guy who can throw it 100yds but usually miss the Wr, or a guy who can move nicely in the pocket and zip it in for 10-20 yd gains all day long?
Fans moved to outrageous statements due to their own convictions of whom should be drafted, but that is basically what this site has become during the past two months.
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
Oh, for crissakes you really can't follow.
I'm taking Darnold over Barkley? Easy enough?
Then I'm taking players who were available in rounds 2 and 3 that were selected AFTER we picked.
Let me dummy it down further:
We selected Hernandez in round 2. Right? Instead, we could have had Chubb or Jones because both were available. So RB need filled - capiche?
In round three, we selected Lo Carter. Are you with me? Instead, we could have selected Geron Christian who went after Carter. Thus, oline need filled...
If you can acknowledge that you get this, we can move forward. Otherwise, on to the next pick...
Except in your scenario we have an inferior RB, an inferior OL, and a QB that turns the ball over twice a game.
Great draft
RE: RE: I assume this means we're carrying 3 QBs all season.
You know that we carried three QBs last year, right?
Yes I realize that. I'm not saying I disagree with the pick - I know little about Lauletta. But there are times when any team could use the extra player at a different position as the season wears on.
possible, not probable that he reaches it (don't know the guy, but that's my feeling about all QB's drafted in the 4th round or lower).
What does it say about Webb? Nothing we can divine. Maybe Giants are looking for Webb's backup next year. Maybe they're looking at Webb backing up KL next year. Maybe Webb isn't panning out and they're looking at a new backup for Eli (not like the Giants to give up on a 3rd round pick after a year, but this is a new regime. Still, after one year? doesn't seem likely to me, considering the praise thrown his way). IF we presume Webb didn't suck so bad as to be on the bubble, this may be an early indicator that Eli may be on his last year. Doubt they're going to keep the same 3 QBs on the roster for 2 years waiting for Eli to retire, and it would be a poor use of resources to plan on a backup QB that far out.
strength isn't about throwing 60 yard bombs. It's about throwing 20 yard outs and comebacks against exceptionally tight windows, or deep seam passes before a safety crushes the receiver.
Good points made here. I looked at some film of KL, including the Senior Bowl, and he threw the ball pretty far on a few passes I noticed right on the money. Maybe he cant throw it as far as Allen, but Allen is also not nearly as accurate. So, would you rather have the guy who can throw it 100yds but usually miss the Wr, or a guy who can move nicely in the pocket and zip it in for 10-20 yd gains all day long?
I like this kid. Montana didnt have a rocket arm either 😳
I think it is very good that the office sees that this team needs to start thinking QB in the very near future. If he can play, he will start when Eli is gone. Yeah, I guess we could've made another pick that was going to play this year since we are 'win now,' but it's not like we're winning the SB this year, anyway. Good pick.
I think it is very good that the office sees that this team needs to start thinking QB in the very near future. If he can play, he will start when Eli is gone. Yeah, I guess we could've made another pick that was going to play this year since we are 'win now,' but it's not like we're winning the SB this year, anyway. Good pick.
I think the win now proclamation is overstated. Giants are trying to put the best team together as possible. As DG said, Rome wasnt built in a day. Itll take time. Has nothing to do with Eli.
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
Nassib was not able to read NFL defenses. He would drop back, look for his primary, then scan the field, see nothing open and run to his right, hoping to hit an open receiver or hoping to gain five yards. Every play was like that with Nassib. I think Lauletta won't have that problem. But can he throw the out, or fire it between two defenders? Don't know.
lauletta than have a dud like geno smith clogging up the roster for no purpose fact is they needed barkley they need to get the running game going with guice,ajayi and zeke in the division now they need the horses to compete with that
shurmurs offence is heavily keyed to the running back with play actions,screens and designed RB passes that requires a dual threat guy like barkley to make it really work and one who is a good enough blocker to play from the start in week 1 the only guy in the draft that would give that was barkley
the OL is a mess and hernandez is neck and neck with nelson as best OG in the draft so getting him in the second was a steal and also a huge need for them so once you factor these picks in you were looking mid rounds for a QB if you were going to draft one this year
they clearly believe in eli and gave him a better OL and a key weapon to make him better,one that eases the stress on him to make something out of nothing as well ,they like webb as do the majority of the team but they arent taking that for granted and are adding their development guy (as webb was a reese pick not the current staff's pick)
DG added alot of free agent CB's and this was a weak CB class they are also needing more strength and depth along the front 7 to allow bettcher to change to that hybrid 3-4/4-3 scheme so they are getting him the guys to allow that to happen even thou they are listed as DT's the guys they pick will need to play some 3-4 DE when martin and vernon drop off into OLB at the snap
DG doesnt value the CB position as much and bettcher didnt have shutdown corners in arizona either the honey badger was key in his scheme as collins will be for him here he made arizona a better defence with lesser personnel and is looking to do the same here except he does have 1 shutdown CB and another one who if he gets his head right can be as well
the scheme is about confusing the offence on what coverage they are facing and where they are going to bring pressure from on any given play,they where to predictable under spags last year and teams had figured him out that was why the defence struggled versus the previous year with the same personnel bar hankins
they can still add a WR before the season starts if the price is right a motivated dez could be a good addition especially in the games against dallas where you know he will give you 110% but with barkley and engram they have guys who can play WR routes that will allow them to adjust without the WR if needed
Yes they clearly do believe in Eli and they live in the past
The one great thing McAdoo showed us was that with the talent around them even Geno Smith was much better than the present day Eli. I think mangement had Ben hogtied from replacing Eli. The decision to not start Webb was mind boggling when the season was entirely lost.
This will likely cost us a few seasons until the whole world agrees Eli has lost his abilities...his skills, his awareness, especiallly his footwork all are exacltly what you would expect of a QB pushing 40. He still has a good arm but since he rarely steps into his throws or plants his feet quickly enough the arm has become a "Loose Cannon"
christ
The kids a ball player, I'll say that much.
By far my least favorite pick of our draft.
CB...WR...OT?
Hmm
What a downer, in the midst of a great draft.
Andre' Woodson
Rhett Bomar
Ryan Nassib
Davis Webb
Another Richmond pick, huh? Reese flashbacks... Haha
now we dont hitch the wagon to just webb, we have two young guys learning from Eli, not bad.
they clearly like wheeler/flowers combo at RT.
Corner is really our biggest need and thats probably where I would have went with it, but again not to mad about this...
Or could be a
Ryan Nassib pick which is a waste
Yeah?
What do you think Webb's next career will be?
This is obviously the calculus. They have a plan
I also think they're in a great position to groom two young QBs. Last year they thought they were a contender and they needed a veteran to step in if Eli got hurt. This year, it doesn't matter.
Ao hign on him they waited til the 4th rd
Gentleman will give us some schoolmarmish lecture about "value." But the answer is stop wasting picks on day three QBs. Tom Brady was a complete fluke.
I get that you don't want Crosby. He only quick setted in pass protection in college. But Nickerson was still available, and this team needs a CB.
This is the same kind of crap that was supposed to end when Reese was fired.
So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
So we can continue building a mean and nasty trench wrecking type team such as in days of yore as opposed to being stuck looking for qbs each year.
Let's see how fast we can do it
Perfect for the WCO, I suppose
Hopefully he can do some dips and get that arm strength up lol
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This is obviously the calculus. They have a plan
i agree. def a little insurance and creating competition. not bad. could save us from having to spend a high pick on a QB in near future...if webb or this guy pan out, we could fill other holes early in draft next year
Nassib?
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Ao hign on him they waited til the 4th rd
So you prefer to Jay Bromley the pick
" you cant get a QB late in the draft" ignoring Brady, Wilson, Cousins, Prescott...
Had to assume Shurmur would want a QB at some point.
I also think they're in a great position to groom two young QBs. Last year they thought they were a contender and they needed a veteran to step in if Eli got hurt. This year, it doesn't matter.
You can't groom two young QB's especially when your starting QB is learning a new offensive system, there's just not enough snaps, especially in season.
Strange, strange pick.
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Kyle Lauletta was our QB4 coming into this draft, above Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.
Hes got a lot of similarities, on field and mentally, to Jimmy Garoppolo.
Great opportunity with the #Giants now. And his chip on his shoulder has only grown. You got a good one, NY.
Perfect for the WCO, I suppose
+1.
Yeah. But I was hoping it wasnt true.
Lol probably the first thing you said I agree with
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This guy is way better then Webb.
Yeah?
Very similar to Jimmy Garropollo. I think he's what you want in a QB where the NFL is heading.
Very accurate QB, very solid decision maker, great pocket presence. His footwork is outstanding. Deep ball accuracy and arm strength has been a concern, but he can throw it 50 yards easy.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Or still (b) Lauletta + Barkley?
Dobbs round 4 and Rudolph round 3 for Pitt.
Webb round 3 and Lauletta round 4 for Giants.
The Giants essentially said that they didn't see the QB value at #2 and Barkley was too good to pass up. However, in round 4, looking at Lauletta, they will invest in that developmental pick at QB and set up for a battle in camp to be the backup, and ultimately target a battle in 2019 (if Eli is still there) to see who takes over as the starter.
They also bring in competition for Webb so he's not handed anything. I would have liked to see the tackle there, but he's sliding for a reason and there will be a run on QBs soon.
To me, it makes sense in the larger picture, but I still wanted to see another OL there.
First disappointment under DG...at least it was #108 and not 9 or 10.Thought he might be 5th.
That's a PS pick. Smaller, OK arm but fine for PS system, mobile QB .
Webb has a fight on his hands.
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with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Pennington's arm got worse after the numerous surgeries o the shoulder...
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So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
I like Lauletta and Webb. If you dont that is fine. People bitch about drafting a QB at 2 because we will never get another chance. If you miss on that pick you're fucked. If you have a 3rd and 4th round pick then the risk is minimal. Like pj posted earlier the odds of any 4th round pick working out is slim so why not take the chance on a QB? Under one of the west coast guys (Holmgren?) they say you should take a QB every year because the upside is worth it. So, stop bitching about stupid shit like twisting my words around.
I recall when Simms was selected and guys were bitching. But we chose Perkins, our coach, in part because he was a QB guru. So things turned out fine for us.
If Lauletta is running our team in 3 years we're gonna be thankful for today.
This guy sucks
If NE drafted him....which they were....it would have been a genius move.
Does that about cover it?
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that is actually who he is... Case Keenum also doesn't have a big arm but he is amazingly quick and reading plays correctly and making the correct anticipation throws. That is this kid. Not the type of QBs I like but you have to know that Shurmur will get the most of our him if he can play.
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
lol
Some of you dont get this pick? Really? You dont get it? Maybe they like this kid. Just a thought...
Webb was never going to stop the giants from taking a qb first second or 4th. Hes a piece to work with. Hes potential. Now they have another piece to work with. Another potentials How is this hard to understand?
Go nuts.
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If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
I like Lauletta and Webb. If you dont that is fine. People bitch about drafting a QB at 2 because we will never get another chance. If you miss on that pick you're fucked. If you have a 3rd and 4th round pick then the risk is minimal. Like pj posted earlier the odds of any 4th round pick working out is slim so why not take the chance on a QB? Under one of the west coast guys (Holmgren?) they say you should take a QB every year because the upside is worth it. So, stop bitching about stupid shit like twisting my words around.
Agreed.
People need to chill. Round 4-7 is where you take chances like this kid, Hurst and Griffin.
I keep wanting to believe the organization has changed it's ways, and I keep seeing signs that suggest otherwise.
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Like how the Bromley pick was so freakin bad when there were quality OL still available.
Let's see how Crosby or Allen does in the next few years.
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If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
I like Lauletta and Webb. If you dont that is fine. People bitch about drafting a QB at 2 because we will never get another chance. If you miss on that pick you're fucked. If you have a 3rd and 4th round pick then the risk is minimal. Like pj posted earlier the odds of any 4th round pick working out is slim so why not take the chance on a QB? Under one of the west coast guys (Holmgren?) they say you should take a QB every year because the upside is worth it. So, stop bitching about stupid shit like twisting my words around.
I'll "bitch" about whatever I want. It's a draft discussion thread. If you're going to take my comments so personally, perhaps you'd be best not to read them.
Rooting for Webb.
First disappointment under DG...at least it was #108 and not 9 or 10.Thought he might be 5th.
That's a PS pick. Smaller, OK arm but fine for PS system, mobile QB .
He's 6'3. That's short? Jesus
How could they be sold on Webb or not sold on Webb? The guy hasnt played a regular season snap! Hes a piece. A guy to work with. Nothing more nothing less. You dont ignore him but you dont ignore collegiate prospects either.
The Giants essentially said that they didn't see the QB value at #2 and Barkley was too good to pass up. However, in round 4, looking at Lauletta, they will invest in that developmental pick at QB and set up for a battle in camp to be the backup, and ultimately target a battle in 2019 (if Eli is still there) to see who takes over as the starter.
They also bring in competition for Webb so he's not handed anything. I would have liked to see the tackle there, but he's sliding for a reason and there will be a run on QBs soon.
To me, it makes sense in the larger picture, but I still wanted to see another OL there.
Once again, Matt is The Voice of Reason.
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Kyle Lauletta was much higher on our QB board this year than Davis Webb was last year
Another Danny Kanell in all likelihood.
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Trade the loser of the competition between Webb and Lauletta?
The NY Giants love Senior Bowl Heroes.
Because the draft is not an exact science? Why did teams pass on joe Montana? Because as in tune and sharp and dedicated as the nfl scouting process is, its not perfect.
I give up.
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Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
How is drafting a 4th round QB going to put the Giants in QB hell? They're not committing that much to him. If he sucks he sucks.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/richmonds-kyle-lauletta-has-everything-nfl-teams-should-but-dont-look-for-in-a-qb-prospect
Or still (b) Lauletta + Barkley?
Replace darnold with Rosen... Id be tempted to think that one over. Rosen is going to shine out west.
They have 2 young talented QBs and the time to develop them. I would have preferred taking a tackle here, but I can't say this was a bad pick.
If you are just looking for a 3rd stringer with all of Giants needs and lack of picks you use UDFA
I think it was only the finger.
also, 1935 Giants had 4 quarterbacks.
This guy sucks
Pennington was on his way to an outstanding career if not for the injuries.
Your post sucks.
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with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Weak arm? Where is everyone getting this from?
Ill have what youre smoking
Of course, a couple of guys had him rated as a 2nd round talent, so that justifies it. Davis Webb was rated a 1st rounder by some last season, and that meant a lot for how much playing time he got in a lost season.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/richmonds-kyle-lauletta-has-everything-nfl-teams-should-but-dont-look-for-in-a-qb-prospect
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Where have you gone Ryan Nassib, our nation turns its lonely eyes to you...
Honestly, if they have needs at this point they will probably be filled by June 1st cuts. This is where you take guys that help you more in the future. Every now and then you may hit on one that helps you right away. I like the pick, good value. The Pats do this stuff all the time, they drafted Garoppolo and picked Brisett as well a year or two later.
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with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Weak arm? Where is everyone getting this from?
I don't know where everyone is getting it from, but I'm getting it from my own viewing of him
I didn't like the Webb pick at all so wtf do I know .
At first I thought they got him to flip him to someone who needs a QB worse.
Love this move.
Removes any QB questions. Eli is our QB for the next 2 years.
Teams spent a fortune to get a young QB who will be anointed. The Giants spent only a 3rd and a 4th to get 2 NFL caliber QBs. No rush. Both will work hard and may the best man win. A battle rather than an anointment.
I really like Webb and Lauletta. Great family backgrounds and solid adults you would want to lead your team. Which ever one wins the eventual job down the road, it will be the results of proving it.
Time to start worrying about other positions. The Giants are set at QB.
Awesome.
If there is a negative, and its a very small one, it means you need to keep 3 QBs on your 53 man roster.
How about we give them all a shot at starting this season...
Could probably improve his long ball spin. (As did Alex Smith?)
As opposed to:
Guys with low football I. Q. Who spin it nice deep, but to where nobody knows, I mean, EFF that in the NFL. (Example redacted, nobody that's here anyway)
Also guess who had the following draft report:
Negatives: Poor build. Very skinny and narrow. Looks a little frail and lacks great physical stature and strength. Can get pushed down more easily than you'd like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own.
This. Shurmurs a QB guru...the more QBs he has to evaluate and coach up, the more likely we will find Eli's successor.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
This is the math question to ponder:
(a) Barkley + Lauletta?
or
(b) Darnold/Rosen + Chubb/Jones/any of the highly rates RBs in this deep RB pool.
This is the legacy test for Jints Central and Mara/Gettleman/Accorsi...
Of course, a couple of guys had him rated as a 2nd round talent, so that justifies it. Davis Webb was rated a 1st rounder by some last season, and that meant a lot for how much playing time he got in a lost season.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
Did you think the OL left on the board in Rd4 were going to come in and start?
4th Round QB, BAD. 4th Round Anything Else, GOOD!
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Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
I remember before his last year in college Landry Jones was being tossed around as a possible first rounder. Granted, he did indeed suck in the pros and his time is up with Rudolph in the fold.
This guy sucks
But chad Pennington was a good QB until he got hurt. Ill take Chad Pennington in the 4th
Or still (b) Lauletta + Barkley?
You are cheating here also...
First of all Chubb was gone also. you keep trying to add players that weren't available and you go hey would you want a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder or a 1st and a 4th? Really it should be in your own words
Would you want
A) Darnold + Chubb
or
B) Barkley + Will Hernandez + Lauletta
there fixed for you... I a keeping the 1st round ranked stud OG thank you.
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with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Weak arm? Where is everyone getting this from?
I don't know where everyone is getting it from, but I'm getting it from my own viewing of him
Please quantify that, all measurable analysis has him in the same range as most of today's NFL QBs.
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together with passing on what seemed like some talent that could have contributed right away on an OL that needs to improve significantly if we're going to do something with the 2 years that Eli has left - just doesn't seem like a coherent strategy.
Of course, a couple of guys had him rated as a 2nd round talent, so that justifies it. Davis Webb was rated a 1st rounder by some last season, and that meant a lot for how much playing time he got in a lost season.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
Did you think the OL left on the board in Rd4 were going to come in and start?
On this OL? Where we're hoping that a 6th rounder and a UDFA from the season prior compete for a starting spot, I'm going to go out on a limb and say why not?
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/richmonds-kyle-lauletta-has-everything-nfl-teams-should-but-dont-look-for-in-a-qb-prospect
This is a must read...thanks for posting as it really points out his skill set... very good pick!
Or they think enough of Webb to backup Eli this year rather than bring in a Vet. They now have 2 young kids let the competition begin. If one of them turns into something, it's a homerun. I'll trust our new HC that there's a possibility here.
Percentage? NERRRRRRRRRRRRRD!
We don't do the math thing around here folks (bangs on keyboard, makes nerd noises).
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with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Weak arm? Where is everyone getting this from?
I don't know where everyone is getting it from, but I'm getting it from my own viewing of him
Please quantify that, all measurable analysis has him in the same range as most of today's NFL QBs.
Well, he had trouble throwing the ball downfield in college.
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Never know what youre going to get. There are more pressing needs obviously, but Im fine with him and Webb battling it out.
Nassib?
You win some, you lose some. You keep going.
1. Not give up too early on Eli (after last years debacle) and give him to the end of his contract (which the Giants are big on) . That means 2 years IF he plays well this year under a much better HC/OC combination and improved OL.
2. Believe in Davis Webb enough (at least not to anoint another guy at pick #2 over him). He has been the consummate back up the day he stepped into the Giants facility and has busted his butt. A model QB understudy and exactly the persona the Giants love for their QB.
3. Take a QB later in draft (but still top 4 rounds) that you have a very high grade on like Lauletta, Mike White, or maybe Faulk. So the 'investment' is not as high but he can also provide competition and insurance for Davis Webb in case he doesn't pan out.
4. Also just as important a rare 'transformational' grade on a player you can take at the top of draft instead of a QB in Barkley.
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If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
I like Lauletta and Webb. If you dont that is fine. People bitch about drafting a QB at 2 because we will never get another chance. If you miss on that pick you're fucked. If you have a 3rd and 4th round pick then the risk is minimal. Like pj posted earlier the odds of any 4th round pick working out is slim so why not take the chance on a QB? Under one of the west coast guys (Holmgren?) they say you should take a QB every year because the upside is worth it. So, stop bitching about stupid shit like twisting my words around.
Ron Wolfe in his book me ruined that about theory of drafting a QB every year.
Well, he had trouble throwing the ball downfield in college.
Everyone has a weakness
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Well, he had trouble throwing the ball downfield in college.
Everyone has a weakness
Right...but weak arm strength for a QB is a biggie
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
What he can do is anticipate coverage and put the ball in the right spots. Kid had 4 offensive coordinators in 4 years, so he is used to both pro and spread type offenses. His tape screams at me like a former Giants nemesis in Tony Romo. Small school guy. Known as a leader. Some arm strength questions, but gets the job done.
Is he better than Webb? I dont know. But at least now, you have two shots at the heir apparent to Eli.
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Well, he had trouble throwing the ball downfield in college.
Everyone has a weakness
Right...but weak arm strength for a QB is a biggie
Now you are body shaming
Love this move.
Removes any QB questions. Eli is our QB for the next 2 years.
Teams spent a fortune to get a young QB who will be anointed. The Giants spent only a 3rd and a 4th to get 2 NFL caliber QBs. No rush. Both will work hard and may the best man win. A battle rather than an anointment.
I really like Webb and Lauletta. Great family backgrounds and solid adults you would want to lead your team. Which ever one wins the eventual job down the road, it will be the results of proving it.
Time to start worrying about other positions. The Giants are set at QB.
Awesome.
If there is a negative, and its a very small one, it means you need to keep 3 QBs on your 53 man roster.
The Steelers seem to be following the same model with Dobbs and Lauletta.
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Or else why pick Lauletta?
Or they think enough of Webb to backup Eli this year rather than bring in a Vet. They now have 2 young kids let the competition begin. If one of them turns into something, it's a homerun. I'll trust our new HC that there's a possibility here.
You can spin it however you want, but if the Giants have to hedge their bets by taking another QB, it means that they're not sold on Webb.
I was actually holding out hope that they passed on a QB at 2 because they really liked Webb. Now I know that they don't.
Also makes sense given Shurmur's situation in MN w/ Bridgewater / Bradford / Keenum and his QB coaching experience (as well as what Bettcher saw at QB in AZ fwiw). Maybe they don't like Webb, maybe they just like KL, or maybe they know they need a #1 / #2 soon with Eli near the end
Lauletta's 52 mph had him near the bottom of the 2018 class per the link above.
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Right approach I think.
They also just didnt have a third string QB until now.
First of all Chubb was gone also. you keep trying to add players that weren't available and you go hey would you want a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder or a 1st and a 4th? Really it should be in your own words
Would you want
A) Darnold + Chubb
or
B) Barkley + Will Hernandez + Lauletta
there fixed for you... I a keeping the 1st round ranked stud OG thank you.
Jones and Chubb went after Hernandez. So both were available.
Fine. I'll add a third varriable.
Darnold + Chubb + Christian.
Something to think about...
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
^This.
Lauletta is very accurate, but has a weak arm...and he was taken on Day 3.
2. Crosby apparently is not as good as Wheeler, Biz, and Flowers.
So, this pick is more for the future, right? KL can be more beneficial in the long run than Crosby. In fact, KL just might be the man after Elis two years are up. We dont really know, do we?
3. Do you trust Shurmur, DG, and our new qb coach? Or do you trust your skills in evaluating qbs more?
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Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Its called gambling. The pats probably looked at who would likely pick a Qb and thought he could last later. Same may hold true with the Saints.
They are butthurt over Darnold not being taken.
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Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
Check the link, plenty of flukes on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB.
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First of all Chubb was gone also. you keep trying to add players that weren't available and you go hey would you want a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder or a 1st and a 4th? Really it should be in your own words
Would you want
A) Darnold + Chubb
or
B) Barkley + Will Hernandez + Lauletta
there fixed for you... I a keeping the 1st round ranked stud OG thank you.
Jones and Chubb went after Hernandez. So both were available.
Fine. I'll add a third varriable.
Darnold + Chubb + Christian.
Something to think about...
No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.
People said that about Nassib and others as well. Pretty sure no one regrets their posts about those guys..
2. Crosby apparently is not as good as Wheeler, Biz, and Flowers.
So, this pick is more for the future, right? KL can be more beneficial in the long run than Crosby. In fact, KL just might be the man after Elis two years are up. We dont really know, do we?
3. Do you trust Shurmur, DG, and our new qb coach? Or do you trust your skills in evaluating qbs more?
How do you know Crosby is not as good? Its only the 4th round, Biz was a 6th rounder and Wheeler undrafted
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
1 - How do you know how many developmental snaps are available? are you at the Giants practices, meetings, training camp...That's a false statement.
2 - This regime did not spend any picks on anyone last year, this is their first draft.
3 - Again, how do you know neither is ready?
4 - I don't even have to name the qbs who were drafted later in the drafting that are starting right now for NFL teams.
5 - The Draft is not the end all be all for getting depth in this league, NFL FA, UDFA, and post training camp cuts will all be considered as well.
to take a QB in the 1st round hold the clipboard and do nothing and not focus on a position of need Now they take one they believe talent is better than where they are drafting him and the world ends.Thank God your not the GMs. This is creating competition at the most important position on the field. Good for DG and his staff. Great job so far.
Im taking barkley/lauletta/hernandez
over
darnold/chubb/christian
stupid but im going with our guys.
No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.
Are you suggesting Christian isn't a good OL prospect? Or perhaps you don't know who he is?
You can sign guys like this as vet free agents all day long.
...but I'm not crazy about some of the negatives including:
Arm strength is a substantial concern;
Can't make all the NFL throws;
Perception of pressure can affect him;
Feet start dancing nervously when his internal clock goes off (hello Kerry Collins).
Positives include:
Heralded by scouts as team leader and elected team captain twice;
Has experience from shotgun, pistol and under center;
Footwork is smooth in play-action and setup;
Able to throw accurately to intermediate targets on the move.
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the part that concerns me is they seem to be trying to win now. would they not have been better off drafting someone here who can help with this? there are LOTS of holes on this team still.
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Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
Check the link, plenty of flukes on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB. List of Fluke QBs picked later in the draft... - ( New Window )
10 QB on a list that goes back to Bart Starr in 1956. How many QBs total were taken in round four or later in the last 62 years?
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1) There's limited number of developmental snaps to go around
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
1 - How do you know how many developmental snaps are available? are you at the Giants practices, meetings, training camp...That's a false statement.
2 - This regime did not spend any picks on anyone last year, this is their first draft.
3 - Again, how do you know neither is ready?
4 - I don't even have to name the qbs who were drafted later in the drafting that are starting right now for NFL teams.
5 - The Draft is not the end all be all for getting depth in this league, NFL FA, UDFA, and post training camp cuts will all be considered as well.
Thank you for this intelligent rebuttal. You win....hands down.
I've been to two of his games. Daughter goes to JMU.
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No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.
Are you suggesting Christian isn't a good OL prospect? Or perhaps you don't know who he is?
Christian Sam OG from ASU? Yeah I am a pac-12 guy and he isn't even close to Will Hernandez who everyone had as a 1st rounder. Sam is a 5th rounder.
to take a QB in the 1st round hold the clipboard and do nothing and not focus on a position of need Now they take one they believe talent is better than where they are drafting him and the world ends.Thank God your not the GMs. This is creating competition at the most important position on the field. Good for DG and his staff. Great job so far.
So all QB's drafted are equal? There's a big difference between taking a QB you feel will be your next franchise QB to stand around for a season or two and learn compared to taking one who is likely to never do anything OTHER than stand around.
If they believe Webb can never be a starter, and Lauletta can, it's an entirely different story. I don't have an absolute opinion about Lauletta one way or the other, but from what I've seen, I don't have overwhelming confidence he will be that guy.
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No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.
Are you suggesting Christian isn't a good OL prospect? Or perhaps you don't know who he is?
Christian Sam OG from ASU? Yeah I am a pac-12 guy and he isn't even close to Will Hernandez who everyone had as a 1st rounder. Sam is a 5th rounder.
Oh wait that is Sam Jones I was thinking of. You must mean Geron?
the part that concerns me is they seem to be trying to win now. would they not have been better off drafting someone here who can help with this? there are LOTS of holes on this team still.
There's a lot of revisionist history at play here. It's really not much different from the Nassib pick at all. Nassib was someone Mayock and others listed as having starter potential. And it was clear he didn't have it after a few years.
The quote of "we hope he never has to play" was very clear. Eli Manning was their best option at the time. If Nassib had to play, something bad happened to the starter.
I agree on the basement :-)
I don't get the angst.
Neither DG or PS drafted Webb.
It's a little irrational to be upset, when for the most important position on any football team, the leadership of our franchise didn't pick Webb and we're all supposed to fall in line and think he's nailed that job?
And this isn't Nassib 2.0. With Nassib they traded UP to get him.
I feel Shurmer and Shula are very good at developing and evaluating QB's. They had conviction in this kid. There is no way this was just the scouts here. The HC and OC had to be heavily involved here.
Guys days 1 and 2 were a homerun.
This is the first pick which is more towards the future.
It's an excellent draft.
to take a QB in the 1st round hold the clipboard and do nothing and not focus on a position of need Now they take one they believe talent is better than where they are drafting him and the world ends.Thank God your not the GMs. This is creating competition at the most important position on the field. Good for DG and his staff. Great job so far.
It's not too hard to figure out that these people wanted a specific QB not just any QB. I wanted draft either Darnold or Rosen. I didn't want Allen, Rudolph, Jackson, or Lauletta. Lauletta lacks the arm strength to handle the winds of Metlife stadium.
"Very good in all areas. Winner. Competitor. Only lacks elite arm strength, but he makes up for it with his legs and moxie," Giants coach Pat Shurmur told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a text message.
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So many of the same people who said we had to have a QB are now bitching we drafted one. You can not Make it up. So it was okay
to take a QB in the 1st round hold the clipboard and do nothing and not focus on a position of need Now they take one they believe talent is better than where they are drafting him and the world ends.Thank God your not the GMs. This is creating competition at the most important position on the field. Good for DG and his staff. Great job so far.
It's not too hard to figure out that these people wanted a specific QB not just any QB. I wanted draft either Darnold or Rosen. I didn't want Allen, Rudolph, Jackson, or Lauletta. Lauletta lacks the arm strength to handle the winds of Metlife stadium.
The "wind" of Met Life is a myth. Met Life is no where near as windy as Giants Stadium. Not even close.
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No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.
Are you suggesting Christian isn't a good OL prospect? Or perhaps you don't know who he is?
Christian Sam OG from ASU? Yeah I am a pac-12 guy and he isn't even close to Will Hernandez who everyone had as a 1st rounder. Sam is a 5th rounder.
No, Geron Christian, Louisville.
You're lost...
Im assuming facetious?
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Im assuming facetious?
Not at all. I love the pick.
My concern is the strategy, chances of drafting a real franchise guy here is so low. With all the holes on the roster at CB, DE, OL, to take this shot is almost irresponsible.
2. Crosby apparently is not as good as Wheeler, Biz, and Flowers.
So, this pick is more for the future, right? KL can be more beneficial in the long run than Crosby. In fact, KL just might be the man after Elis two years are up. We dont really know, do we?
3. Do you trust Shurmur, DG, and our new qb coach? Or do you trust your skills in evaluating qbs more?
^THIS^
But seriously.
- Now you have 2x yoots to learn under Manning.
Round 1 2019 a.k.a. next year? All you skinny guys might get your early WR again! Woot woot!
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Im assuming facetious?
Not at all. I love the pick.
Why? Always interested in your take(s)
My concern is the strategy, chances of drafting a real franchise guy here is so low. With all the holes on the roster at CB, DE, OL, to take this shot is almost irresponsible.
Exactly! Even though it's only a 4th round pick, a 4th round CB, LB, DL or OL who gets to play even a little is going to a lot more valuable the QB who probably never will.
"Very good in all areas. Winner. Competitor. Only lacks elite arm strength, but he makes up for it with his legs and moxie," Giants coach Pat Shurmur told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a text message. ESPN - ( New Window )
From a cursory review, isn't this basically what they say about Darnold? Just that KL maybe has better mechanics & a quicker release?
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Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
Check the link, plenty of flukes on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB. List of Fluke QBs picked later in the draft... - ( New Window )
10 QB on a list that goes back to Bart Starr in 1956. How many QBs total were taken in round four or later in the last 62 years?
Heres an article From 2016 tracking QBs taken in the 4th round since 1980. I love how it starts. Also, I have a suspicion that if the Pats had indeed taken Lauletta, it would have been caonsidered a great move, value pick, future replacement for Brady etc. in fact at least one draft review gave us an A for this pick.
The fourth round of the NFL draft has never been a throwaway round for quarterbacks.
Since 1980, there have been 58 quarterbacks selected in the fourth. NFL teams have found NCAA passing champions (Stefan LeFors), consensus All-Americas (Mark Herrmann) and Heisman Trophy winners (Danny Wuerffel, Chris Weinke) there.
Quarterbacks in that round have gone on to produce 3,000- (Aaron Brooks, Kyle Orton) and 4,000-yard passing seasons (Scott Mitchell, Kirk Cousins) in the NFL. They've also gone on to be named Pro Bowler (Steve Beuerlein) and NFL MVP (Rich Gannon).
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As as aside, it's pretty interesting to see the level of expertise that you guys have when it comes to a Richmond QB and a UTEP OG. You guys really must have been putting in hours watching that "film".
I actually have seen Lauletta play one game of football. From my recollection Richmond scored a lot of points and Lauletta played well. I have no further opinion, aside from the obvious - 4th round picks usually don't go very far.
Notice NE traded down after NYG took him. Supposedly the Pats were high on him.
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1) There's limited number of developmental snaps to go around
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
1 - How do you know how many developmental snaps are available? are you at the Giants practices, meetings, training camp...That's a false statement.
2 - This regime did not spend any picks on anyone last year, this is their first draft.
3 - Again, how do you know neither is ready?
4 - I don't even have to name the qbs who were drafted later in the drafting that are starting right now for NFL teams.
5 - The Draft is not the end all be all for getting depth in this league, NFL FA, UDFA, and post training camp cuts will all be considered as well.
1 - because there's a limited number of snaps at practice. Hence why Webb want ready to play Game 15 of a 3-13 season.
2 - whether this regime spent the pick or not two mid round picks have been spent on developmental Qbs when one could have went to the secondary for example.
3 - Lauletta isn't ready to play if Eli goes down Week 1 else he doesn't go round 4.
4 - your harping on the exceptions not the rules. 8 of the 12 playoff teams were led by a first round QB, and before you say Foles, Wentz got them the number one seed
New York Giants: Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond A+ Grade
I don't understand why Kyle Lauletta wasn't selected on Day 2. He easily could've been taken on Day 2, and it could be argued that he's the fifth-best quarterback in the class. Kyle Lauletta could definitely replace Eli Manning in a year or two and become a solid starter in the NFL
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgrades4.php#ixzz5DzOm4goH
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The Giants selected Richmond quarterback Kyle Lauletta with their fourth-round pick.
"Very good in all areas. Winner. Competitor. Only lacks elite arm strength, but he makes up for it with his legs and moxie," Giants coach Pat Shurmur told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a text message. ESPN - ( New Window )
From a cursory review, isn't this basically what they say about Darnold? Just that KL maybe has better mechanics & a quicker release?
And b4 someone says it, I'm just noticing similar analysis not saying one is as good
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No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.
Are you suggesting Christian isn't a good OL prospect? Or perhaps you don't know who he is?
Christian Sam OG from ASU? Yeah I am a pac-12 guy and he isn't even close to Will Hernandez who everyone had as a 1st rounder. Sam is a 5th rounder.
No, Geron Christian, Louisville.
You're lost...
Geron was picked in the 3rd round so you are cheating again. That is why I didn't know who you were talking about. I assumed you would be talking about someone that hasn't been taken or taken in the 4th as that is the same as Lauletta.
You are saying hey you want 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder or a 1st, 2nd, and 4th rounder.
Here let me help you.
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
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Notice NE traded down after NYG took him. Supposedly the Pats were high on him.
But they could have taken him right before us
This pick has EVERYTHING to do with the Giants not liking Webb. As you noted, they wanted to pick their own QB.
Rhett Bomar
Ryan Nassib
Davis Webb
Kyle Lauletta
Rhett Bomar
Ryan Nassib
Davis Webb
Kyle Lauletta
WTF does that have to do with the price of rice in China? DG drafted them? No. He didn't.
I'll give you a hint... Not a lot of 60 yard bombs.
I agree Eli is close to the end. But it's going to be Barkley's team when Eli's done. If Saquon is what they think he is, it's a lot easier for the next QB, whoever it is, to step in and play.
Rhett Bomar
Ryan Nassib
Davis Webb
Kyle Lauletta
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
We carried 3 last season.
You know that we carried three QBs last year, right?
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
But the argument can be made that realizing they need to replace him and to continue to do it with mid round guys and passing on better options is a bad strategy.
I wanted Darnold too, but I think we've had a good couple days.
RB or WR. Saquon should be a 3-down back. None of this split carries nonsense. Keep Gallman, maybe keep Perkins.
Engram serves as a WR in some packages which means you don't have to keep the normal number of WRs.
If they're running a 3-4, which they are, it means they need to keep more linebackers on the roster as well.
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Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
Thats a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
Check the link, plenty of flukes on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB. List of Fluke QBs picked later in the draft... - ( New Window )
10 QB on a list that goes back to Bart Starr in 1956. How many QBs total were taken in round four or later in the last 62 years?
Heres an article From 2016 tracking QBs taken in the 4th round since 1980. I love how it starts. Also, I have a suspicion that if the Pats had indeed taken Lauletta, it would have been caonsidered a great move, value pick, future replacement for Brady etc. in fact at least one draft review gave us an A for this pick.
The fourth round of the NFL draft has never been a throwaway round for quarterbacks.
Since 1980, there have been 58 quarterbacks selected in the fourth. NFL teams have found NCAA passing champions (Stefan LeFors), consensus All-Americas (Mark Herrmann) and Heisman Trophy winners (Danny Wuerffel, Chris Weinke) there.
Quarterbacks in that round have gone on to produce 3,000- (Aaron Brooks, Kyle Orton) and 4,000-yard passing seasons (Scott Mitchell, Kirk Cousins) in the NFL. They've also gone on to be named Pro Bowler (Steve Beuerlein) and NFL MVP (Rich Gannon). 4th round QBs since 1980 - ( New Window )
Cousins is by far the best of that lot. Add in Beuerlein and Gannon and that's three. Out of 58. Brooks, Orton, and Mitchell were decidedly average. The rest were awful. No thanks.
Brooks and Mitchell also had much better arms than Lauletta. This isn't just that we have a ton of holes. His lack of arm strength means the overwhelming likelihood is that he's at best a backup.
Senior bowl mvp - ( New Window )
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This isn't that hard folks.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
But the argument can be made that realizing they need to replace him and to continue to do it with mid round guys and passing on better options is a bad strategy.
and the other argument can be made that franchise qbs are not always drafted early in the draft, because they are in fact not.
Rhett Bomar
Ryan Nassib
Davis Webb
Kyle Lauletta
Andre Woodson.
Here let me help you.
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
Oh, for crissakes you really can't follow.
I'm taking Darnold over Barkley? Easy enough?
Then I'm taking players who were available in rounds 2 and 3 that were selected AFTER we picked.
Let me dummy it down further:
We selected Hernandez in round 2. Right? Instead, we could have had Chubb or Jones because both were available. So RB need filled - capiche?
In round three, we selected Lo Carter. Are you with me? Instead, we could have selected Geron Christian who went after Carter. Thus, oline need filled...
If you can acknowledge that you get this, we can move forward. Otherwise, on to the next pick...
Hey just because you are asleep doesn't mean we aren't still playing great football... Oh and Darnold.. Pac12! so even you want Barkley over Darnold! hahaha
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QBs have we taken in the Eli era?
Rhett Bomar
Ryan Nassib
Davis Webb
Kyle Lauletta
Andre Woodson.
So Giants have spent a 3rd, two 4ths and two sixths on QBs.
That's a lot to invest with nothing to show for it imo. Let's hope Webb or Lauletta can actually play in the NFL.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
And I suggest you stop taking everything a HC says about liking or not liking a player as fact. What the hell was he supposed to say about Webb when asked?
I stand by my comment. If the Giants/Shurmur/DG were "actually impressed" with Webb, they wouldn't have hedged their bets and taken another QB.
And might I also suggest you tone it down with the condescending "this isn't that hard folks" comments, as if you're the only one who has figured this out and yours is the only opinion that matters!
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Here let me help you.
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
Oh, for crissakes you really can't follow.
I'm taking Darnold over Barkley? Easy enough?
Then I'm taking players who were available in rounds 2 and 3 that were selected AFTER we picked.
Let me dummy it down further:
We selected Hernandez in round 2. Right? Instead, we could have had Chubb or Jones because both were available. So RB need filled - capiche?
In round three, we selected Lo Carter. Are you with me? Instead, we could have selected Geron Christian who went after Carter. Thus, oline need filled...
If you can acknowledge that you get this, we can move forward. Otherwise, on to the next pick...
Right so you are saying then...
Darnold, Chubb, Geron Christian, BJ Hill, some random 4th rounder you want to name later
or
Barkley, Will Hernanadez, Carter, Hill, or Lauletta
Again I am keeping Carter and the day one starter at OG which we need bad.
exactly right... Getting Hernandez is a huge win and should have been a first rounder.
And he did this at the Senior Bowl and while at Richmond. The kid may wind up being horrible but theres a vast difference between not having elite arm strength and having a noodle arm. No one said Chad Pennington had an elite arm but he was good until the injuries.
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This isn't that hard folks.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
But the argument can be made that realizing they need to replace him and to continue to do it with mid round guys and passing on better options is a bad strategy.
and the other argument can be made that franchise qbs are not always drafted early in the draft, because they are in fact not.
There are exceptions sure, but drafting developmental options late who already have the odds against them relies so much on being able to develop them.
Rosen and Darnold have much more in their favor skill wise to be at least league average.
https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/3/20/17141056/2018-nfl-draft-film-review-strengths-weaknesses-richmond-kyle-lauletta-new-england-patriots
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strength isn't about throwing 60 yard bombs. It's about throwing 20 yard outs and comebacks against exceptionally tight windows, or deep seam passes before a safety crushes the receiver.
And he did this at the Senior Bowl and while at Richmond. The kid may wind up being horrible but theres a vast difference between not having elite arm strength and having a noodle arm. No one said Chad Pennington had an elite arm but he was good until the injuries.
he has a stronger arm that Deshaun Watson... so arm strength can be over rated if you can make quick decisions, with a quick release, and are accurate. Now who knows if Kyle does or not... time will tell and the odds are he, like most 4th rounders won't make it.
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QBs have we taken in the Eli era?
Rhett Bomar
Ryan Nassib
Davis Webb
Kyle Lauletta
Andre Woodson.
So Giants have spent a 3rd, two 4ths and two sixths on QBs.
That's a lot to invest with nothing to show for it imo. Let's hope Webb or Lauletta can actually play in the NFL.
Nothing to show for it because Eli was entrenched, so it was about Eli getting hurt or going down. He never did
If that is addressed to me, I satisfy that OL need with Geron Christian over Hernandez. GC is a stud tackle who may stay at T or could move to G. Skins got a real bargain with him in the 3rd round...
A more pertinent consideration than what round Cousins and Lauletta happened to be drafted in.
Link - ( New Window )
And short to middle distance throws are where he excels. Sorry you hate the pick, but many draft experts give it an "A". I love it. Hate away.....
Lauletta can be BRady's successor, clone of Garrapalo - ( New Window )
Don't quit your day job
https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/3/20/17141056/2018-nfl-draft-film-review-strengths-weaknesses-richmond-kyle-lauletta-new-england-patriots
Thanks for the links. Seems like he has a lot of positives in terms of throwing w/ anticipation, footwork, supposedly already top level reads / processing in play, good accuracy on the run, pocket presence...a lot to like and hope that he can develop into a starter if not solid backup
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
QB competition is a good thing so I'm very happy with this quality value pick.
shurmurs offence is heavily keyed to the running back with play actions,screens and designed RB passes that requires a dual threat guy like barkley to make it really work and one who is a good enough blocker to play from the start in week 1 the only guy in the draft that would give that was barkley
the OL is a mess and hernandez is neck and neck with nelson as best OG in the draft so getting him in the second was a steal and also a huge need for them so once you factor these picks in you were looking mid rounds for a QB if you were going to draft one this year
they clearly believe in eli and gave him a better OL and a key weapon to make him better,one that eases the stress on him to make something out of nothing as well ,they like webb as do the majority of the team but they arent taking that for granted and are adding their development guy (as webb was a reese pick not the current staff's pick)
DG added alot of free agent CB's and this was a weak CB class they are also needing more strength and depth along the front 7 to allow bettcher to change to that hybrid 3-4/4-3 scheme so they are getting him the guys to allow that to happen even thou they are listed as DT's the guys they pick will need to play some 3-4 DE when martin and vernon drop off into OLB at the snap
DG doesnt value the CB position as much and bettcher didnt have shutdown corners in arizona either the honey badger was key in his scheme as collins will be for him here he made arizona a better defence with lesser personnel and is looking to do the same here except he does have 1 shutdown CB and another one who if he gets his head right can be as well
the scheme is about confusing the offence on what coverage they are facing and where they are going to bring pressure from on any given play,they where to predictable under spags last year and teams had figured him out that was why the defence struggled versus the previous year with the same personnel bar hankins
they can still add a WR before the season starts if the price is right a motivated dez could be a good addition especially in the games against dallas where you know he will give you 110% but with barkley and engram they have guys who can play WR routes that will allow them to adjust without the WR if needed
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This isn't that hard folks.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
And I suggest you stop taking everything a HC says about liking or not liking a player as fact. What the hell was he supposed to say about Webb when asked?
I stand by my comment. If the Giants/Shurmur/DG were "actually impressed" with Webb, they wouldn't have hedged their bets and taken another QB.
And might I also suggest you tone it down with the condescending "this isn't that hard folks" comments, as if you're the only one who has figured this out and yours is the only opinion that matters!
And I suggest you lose your little attitude.
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QBs have we taken in the Eli era?
Rhett Bomar
Ryan Nassib
Davis Webb
Kyle Lauletta
Andre Woodson.
And how many developmental picks did Reese hit on at all? Gotta be close to zero...which is especially troubling considering how many he drafted.
Different regime now with different philosophies. Lets see what happens.
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What position loses a player? Is this a problem?
RB or WR. Saquon should be a 3-down back. None of this split carries nonsense. Keep Gallman, maybe keep Perkins.
Engram serves as a WR in some packages which means you don't have to keep the normal number of WRs.
If they're running a 3-4, which they are, it means they need to keep more linebackers on the roster as well.
No Engram does not serve as a WR in some packages . He serves as a TE split out wide once and awhile when they think they can get a match up advantage with a S. Engram did not go to WR when all the injuries hit. He remained a TE.
As for needing a preponderance of LBs-this is not a dogmatic 3-4. The DC mixes fronts . You will see some odd fronts and evens.
The Giants essentially said that they didn't see the QB value at #2 and Barkley was too good to pass up. However, in round 4, looking at Lauletta, they will invest in that developmental pick at QB and set up for a battle in camp to be the backup, and ultimately target a battle in 2019 (if Eli is still there) to see who takes over as the starter.
They also bring in competition for Webb so he's not handed anything. I would have liked to see the tackle there, but he's sliding for a reason and there will be a run on QBs soon.
To me, it makes sense in the larger picture, but I still wanted to see another OL there.
I hope Webb and Lauletta have a lot more success than Brown and Graham. Dark days.
Pay Kirwan and Jim Miller we orally fellating him right after he was picked.
Ill trust them.
Though I would have preferred other moves this year.
I hope it works out.
The picks looked good to this informed amateur . I didnt like Hill , but DTs are tough to project . He ignored what could be an extremely porous secondary . But maybe he has some guys lined up that are under everybodys radar .
Then apart from all of this is Beckham . Whats he going to do with him ? Stay tuned for a very interesting summer saga .
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This isn't that hard folks.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
And I suggest you stop taking everything a HC says about liking or not liking a player as fact. What the hell was he supposed to say about Webb when asked?
I stand by my comment. If the Giants/Shurmur/DG were "actually impressed" with Webb, they wouldn't have hedged their bets and taken another QB.
And might I also suggest you tone it down with the condescending "this isn't that hard folks" comments, as if you're the only one who has figured this out and yours is the only opinion that matters!
hey fuckhead this is Eric's site, you are here because he allows it, so either deal with it or go kick rocks. OH and he's absolutely right, this was a solid pick. Effya
Eric Galko
Verified account @OptimumScouting
4h4 hours ago
Kyle Lauletta was our QB4 coming into this draft, above Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.
Hes got a lot of similarities, on field and mentally, to Jimmy Garoppolo.
Great opportunity with the #Giants now. And his chip on his shoulder has only grown. You got a good one, NY.
JIMMY G2
Good points made here. I looked at some film of KL, including the Senior Bowl, and he threw the ball pretty far on a few passes I noticed right on the money. Maybe he cant throw it as far as Allen, but Allen is also not nearly as accurate. So, would you rather have the guy who can throw it 100yds but usually miss the Wr, or a guy who can move nicely in the pocket and zip it in for 10-20 yd gains all day long?
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like the value and the player.
Pay Kirwan and Jim Miller we orally fellating him right after he was picked.
Ill trust them.
What? You will trust those two over a some BBI members! That is bold.....lol
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Here let me help you.
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
Oh, for crissakes you really can't follow.
I'm taking Darnold over Barkley? Easy enough?
Then I'm taking players who were available in rounds 2 and 3 that were selected AFTER we picked.
Let me dummy it down further:
We selected Hernandez in round 2. Right? Instead, we could have had Chubb or Jones because both were available. So RB need filled - capiche?
In round three, we selected Lo Carter. Are you with me? Instead, we could have selected Geron Christian who went after Carter. Thus, oline need filled...
If you can acknowledge that you get this, we can move forward. Otherwise, on to the next pick...
Except in your scenario we have an inferior RB, an inferior OL, and a QB that turns the ball over twice a game.
Great draft
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What position loses a player? Is this a problem?
You know that we carried three QBs last year, right?
Yes I realize that. I'm not saying I disagree with the pick - I know little about Lauletta. But there are times when any team could use the extra player at a different position as the season wears on.
What does it say about Webb? Nothing we can divine. Maybe Giants are looking for Webb's backup next year. Maybe they're looking at Webb backing up KL next year. Maybe Webb isn't panning out and they're looking at a new backup for Eli (not like the Giants to give up on a 3rd round pick after a year, but this is a new regime. Still, after one year? doesn't seem likely to me, considering the praise thrown his way). IF we presume Webb didn't suck so bad as to be on the bubble, this may be an early indicator that Eli may be on his last year. Doubt they're going to keep the same 3 QBs on the roster for 2 years waiting for Eli to retire, and it would be a poor use of resources to plan on a backup QB that far out.
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strength isn't about throwing 60 yard bombs. It's about throwing 20 yard outs and comebacks against exceptionally tight windows, or deep seam passes before a safety crushes the receiver.
Good points made here. I looked at some film of KL, including the Senior Bowl, and he threw the ball pretty far on a few passes I noticed right on the money. Maybe he cant throw it as far as Allen, but Allen is also not nearly as accurate. So, would you rather have the guy who can throw it 100yds but usually miss the Wr, or a guy who can move nicely in the pocket and zip it in for 10-20 yd gains all day long?
I like this kid. Montana didnt have a rocket arm either 😳
I think the win now proclamation is overstated. Giants are trying to put the best team together as possible. As DG said, Rome wasnt built in a day. Itll take time. Has nothing to do with Eli.
Nassib was not able to read NFL defenses. He would drop back, look for his primary, then scan the field, see nothing open and run to his right, hoping to hit an open receiver or hoping to gain five yards. Every play was like that with Nassib. I think Lauletta won't have that problem. But can he throw the out, or fire it between two defenders? Don't know.
He is going to give Davis Webb a run for his money
Eli, win a B then RETIRE Please.....
Love this pick!!!!!!!!!!
shurmurs offence is heavily keyed to the running back with play actions,screens and designed RB passes that requires a dual threat guy like barkley to make it really work and one who is a good enough blocker to play from the start in week 1 the only guy in the draft that would give that was barkley
the OL is a mess and hernandez is neck and neck with nelson as best OG in the draft so getting him in the second was a steal and also a huge need for them so once you factor these picks in you were looking mid rounds for a QB if you were going to draft one this year
they clearly believe in eli and gave him a better OL and a key weapon to make him better,one that eases the stress on him to make something out of nothing as well ,they like webb as do the majority of the team but they arent taking that for granted and are adding their development guy (as webb was a reese pick not the current staff's pick)
DG added alot of free agent CB's and this was a weak CB class they are also needing more strength and depth along the front 7 to allow bettcher to change to that hybrid 3-4/4-3 scheme so they are getting him the guys to allow that to happen even thou they are listed as DT's the guys they pick will need to play some 3-4 DE when martin and vernon drop off into OLB at the snap
DG doesnt value the CB position as much and bettcher didnt have shutdown corners in arizona either the honey badger was key in his scheme as collins will be for him here he made arizona a better defence with lesser personnel and is looking to do the same here except he does have 1 shutdown CB and another one who if he gets his head right can be as well
the scheme is about confusing the offence on what coverage they are facing and where they are going to bring pressure from on any given play,they where to predictable under spags last year and teams had figured him out that was why the defence struggled versus the previous year with the same personnel bar hankins
they can still add a WR before the season starts if the price is right a motivated dez could be a good addition especially in the games against dallas where you know he will give you 110% but with barkley and engram they have guys who can play WR routes that will allow them to adjust without the WR if needed
Yes they clearly do believe in Eli and they live in the past
The one great thing McAdoo showed us was that with the talent around them even Geno Smith was much better than the present day Eli. I think mangement had Ben hogtied from replacing Eli. The decision to not start Webb was mind boggling when the season was entirely lost.
This will likely cost us a few seasons until the whole world agrees Eli has lost his abilities...his skills, his awareness, especiallly his footwork all are exacltly what you would expect of a QB pushing 40. He still has a good arm but since he rarely steps into his throws or plants his feet quickly enough the arm has become a "Loose Cannon"