I don't think they're really "all in" on Eli, and even if they are, they need to start finding a successor. Maybe it's Davis Webb, maybe no.
I also think they're in a great position to groom two young QBs. Last year they thought they were a contender and they needed a veteran to step in if Eli got hurt. This year, it doesn't matter.
arm just isn't strong enough for the NFL, especially late in the season in Giants stadium. Webb has a MUCH stronger arm, and has been in the league for a year already working his ass off.
Gentleman will give us some schoolmarmish lecture about "value." But the answer is stop wasting picks on day three QBs. Tom Brady was a complete fluke.
I get that you don't want Crosby. He only quick setted in pass protection in college. But Nickerson was still available, and this team needs a CB.
This is the same kind of crap that was supposed to end when Reese was fired.
If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
This is obviously the calculus. They have a plan
i agree. def a little insurance and creating competition. not bad. could save us from having to spend a high pick on a QB in near future...if webb or this guy pan out, we could fill other holes early in draft next year
RE: Nothing wrong with taking a developmental QB late.
in this league if you ain't got a QB. We now have two guys who have a shot to succeed Eli. And if neither pan out we will have to make a move but as someone who wanted one of the QB's in round 1 this makes me feel much better mainly because I think we only make this pick if Shurmur really likes this kid.
I don't think they're really "all in" on Eli, and even if they are, they need to start finding a successor. Maybe it's Davis Webb, maybe no.
I also think they're in a great position to groom two young QBs. Last year they thought they were a contender and they needed a veteran to step in if Eli got hurt. This year, it doesn't matter.
You can't groom two young QB's especially when your starting QB is learning a new offensive system, there's just not enough snaps, especially in season.
Very similar to Jimmy Garropollo. I think he's what you want in a QB where the NFL is heading.
Very accurate QB, very solid decision maker, great pocket presence. His footwork is outstanding. Deep ball accuracy and arm strength has been a concern, but he can throw it 50 yards easy.
with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
the value must have been too high their board to pass. Ultimately this brings back the scenario that many of us have talked about on BBI for months, and I specifically likened to the 1993 season. In 1993, the Giants had one more run in Simms to be competitive and wanted to have Dave Brown and Kent Graham sit behind him and learn. Come 1994, it became a battle to see who could earn the starting job.
The Giants essentially said that they didn't see the QB value at #2 and Barkley was too good to pass up. However, in round 4, looking at Lauletta, they will invest in that developmental pick at QB and set up for a battle in camp to be the backup, and ultimately target a battle in 2019 (if Eli is still there) to see who takes over as the starter.
They also bring in competition for Webb so he's not handed anything. I would have liked to see the tackle there, but he's sliding for a reason and there will be a run on QBs soon.
To me, it makes sense in the larger picture, but I still wanted to see another OL there.
Hoping 1 of 2 OL drop, both do, and they go a short QB?
First disappointment under DG...at least it was #108 and not 9 or 10.Thought he might be 5th.
That's a PS pick. Smaller, OK arm but fine for PS system, mobile QB .
with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Pennington's arm got worse after the numerous surgeries o the shoulder...
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
I like Lauletta and Webb. If you dont that is fine. People bitch about drafting a QB at 2 because we will never get another chance. If you miss on that pick you're fucked. If you have a 3rd and 4th round pick then the risk is minimal. Like pj posted earlier the odds of any 4th round pick working out is slim so why not take the chance on a QB? Under one of the west coast guys (Holmgren?) they say you should take a QB every year because the upside is worth it. So, stop bitching about stupid shit like twisting my words around.
As much as I wanted a positional player here, how can we
I recall when Simms was selected and guys were bitching. But we chose Perkins, our coach, in part because he was a QB guru. So things turned out fine for us.
If Lauletta is running our team in 3 years we're gonna be thankful for today.
I love Lauletta. Smart, smart QB. Great measurables. Excellent intangibles. Throws plenty hard enough for mid-range and sideline throws. Long ball floats a bit but he is very coachable and could get stronger.
The same guys imploding that we did not draft a QB at 2
What do you think Webb's next career will be?
This is obviously the calculus. They have a plan
I also think they're in a great position to groom two young QBs. Last year they thought they were a contender and they needed a veteran to step in if Eli got hurt. This year, it doesn't matter.
Ao hign on him they waited til the 4th rd
Gentleman will give us some schoolmarmish lecture about "value." But the answer is stop wasting picks on day three QBs. Tom Brady was a complete fluke.
I get that you don't want Crosby. He only quick setted in pass protection in college. But Nickerson was still available, and this team needs a CB.
This is the same kind of crap that was supposed to end when Reese was fired.
So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
So we can continue building a mean and nasty trench wrecking type team such as in days of yore as opposed to being stuck looking for qbs each year.
Let's see how fast we can do it
Perfect for the WCO, I suppose
Hopefully he can do some dips and get that arm strength up lol
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If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
This is obviously the calculus. They have a plan
i agree. def a little insurance and creating competition. not bad. could save us from having to spend a high pick on a QB in near future...if webb or this guy pan out, we could fill other holes early in draft next year
Nassib?
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They are high on him.
Ao hign on him they waited til the 4th rd
So you prefer to Jay Bromley the pick
" you cant get a QB late in the draft" ignoring Brady, Wilson, Cousins, Prescott...
Had to assume Shurmur would want a QB at some point.
I also think they're in a great position to groom two young QBs. Last year they thought they were a contender and they needed a veteran to step in if Eli got hurt. This year, it doesn't matter.
You can't groom two young QB's especially when your starting QB is learning a new offensive system, there's just not enough snaps, especially in season.
Strange, strange pick.
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Kyle Lauletta was our QB4 coming into this draft, above Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.
Hes got a lot of similarities, on field and mentally, to Jimmy Garoppolo.
Great opportunity with the #Giants now. And his chip on his shoulder has only grown. You got a good one, NY.
Perfect for the WCO, I suppose
+1.
Yeah. But I was hoping it wasnt true.
Lol probably the first thing you said I agree with
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This guy is way better then Webb.
Yeah?
Very similar to Jimmy Garropollo. I think he's what you want in a QB where the NFL is heading.
Very accurate QB, very solid decision maker, great pocket presence. His footwork is outstanding. Deep ball accuracy and arm strength has been a concern, but he can throw it 50 yards easy.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Or still (b) Lauletta + Barkley?
Dobbs round 4 and Rudolph round 3 for Pitt.
Webb round 3 and Lauletta round 4 for Giants.
The Giants essentially said that they didn't see the QB value at #2 and Barkley was too good to pass up. However, in round 4, looking at Lauletta, they will invest in that developmental pick at QB and set up for a battle in camp to be the backup, and ultimately target a battle in 2019 (if Eli is still there) to see who takes over as the starter.
They also bring in competition for Webb so he's not handed anything. I would have liked to see the tackle there, but he's sliding for a reason and there will be a run on QBs soon.
To me, it makes sense in the larger picture, but I still wanted to see another OL there.
First disappointment under DG...at least it was #108 and not 9 or 10.Thought he might be 5th.
That's a PS pick. Smaller, OK arm but fine for PS system, mobile QB .
Webb has a fight on his hands.
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with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Pennington's arm got worse after the numerous surgeries o the shoulder...
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If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
I like Lauletta and Webb. If you dont that is fine. People bitch about drafting a QB at 2 because we will never get another chance. If you miss on that pick you're fucked. If you have a 3rd and 4th round pick then the risk is minimal. Like pj posted earlier the odds of any 4th round pick working out is slim so why not take the chance on a QB? Under one of the west coast guys (Holmgren?) they say you should take a QB every year because the upside is worth it. So, stop bitching about stupid shit like twisting my words around.
I recall when Simms was selected and guys were bitching. But we chose Perkins, our coach, in part because he was a QB guru. So things turned out fine for us.
If Lauletta is running our team in 3 years we're gonna be thankful for today.
This guy sucks
If NE drafted him....which they were....it would have been a genius move.
Does that about cover it?
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