Reese & Co is still the gift that keeps on giving. Spending a pick on Webb but never letting him play in a 3-13 season and now our new regime is forced to use up another mid round pick for yet another backup QB.
Where have you gone Ryan Nassib, our nation turns its lonely eyes to you...
Honestly, if they have “needs” at this point they will probably be filled by June 1st cuts. This is where you take guys that help you more in the future. Every now and then you may hit on one that helps you right away. I like the pick, good value. The Pats do this stuff all the time, they drafted Garoppolo and picked Brisett as well a year or two later.
with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Weak arm? Where is everyone getting this from?
I don't know where everyone is getting it from, but I'm getting it from my own viewing of him
I guess the Giants are buying an insurance policy after Eli leaves and create competition for Webb. All the experts are raving about him. I guess we all get caught up into needs. I just surprised about the pick.
Removes any QB questions. Eli is our QB for the next 2 years.
Teams spent a fortune to get a young QB who will be anointed. The Giants spent only a 3rd and a 4th to get 2 NFL caliber QBs. No rush. Both will work hard and may the best man win. A battle rather than an anointment.
I really like Webb and Lauletta. Great family backgrounds and solid adults you would want to lead your team. Which ever one wins the eventual job down the road, it will be the results of proving it.
Time to start worrying about other positions. The Giants are set at QB.
Awesome.
If there is a negative, and its a very small one, it means you need to keep 3 QBs on your 53 man roster.
RE: Let the Future Giants Starting QB competition begin! Â
Could probably improve his long ball spin. (As did Alex Smith?)
As opposed to:
Guys with low football I. Q. Who spin it nice deep, but to where nobody knows, I mean, EFF that in the NFL. (Example redacted, nobody that's here anyway)
Maybe this was the QB Gettleman liked all along. Â
Well, it's better than just Webb. I guess the hope is between Webb and Lauletta pushing each other, one of them will emerge as a franchise guy. We'll see.
Bill Walsh built an entire offense around a QB with a weak arm.
Also guess who had the following draft report:
Negatives: Poor build. Very skinny and narrow. Looks a little frail and lacks great physical stature and strength. Can get pushed down more easily than you'd like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
This is the math question to ponder:
(a) Barkley + Lauletta?
or
(b) Darnold/Rosen + Chubb/Jones/any of the highly rates RBs in this deep RB pool.
This is the legacy test for Jints Central and Mara/Gettleman/Accorsi...
together with passing on what seemed like some talent that could have contributed right away on an OL that needs to improve significantly if we're going to do something with the 2 years that Eli has left - just doesn't seem like a coherent strategy.
Of course, a couple of guys had him rated as a 2nd round talent, so that justifies it. Davis Webb was rated a 1st rounder by some last season, and that meant a lot for how much playing time he got in a lost season.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
Did you think the OL left on the board in Rd4 we’re going to come in and start?
I'm sure a lot of the people in this thread bashing Lauletta's "weak" arm were touting Mason Rudolph's "strong" arm when they ripped off the same 52 mph at the combine. They also probably like DeShaun Watson and his 49 mph cannon. Be rational.
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
That’s a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
I remember before his last year in college Landry Jones was being tossed around as a possible first rounder. Granted, he did indeed suck in the pros and his time is up with Rudolph in the fold.
He's got a giant, impossible to ignore flaw with a weak arm and played against sub-par competition. This is a very, very low percentage of success move.
First of all Chubb was gone also. you keep trying to add players that weren't available and you go hey would you want a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder or a 1st and a 4th? Really it should be in your own words
Would you want
A) Darnold + Chubb
or
B) Barkley + Will Hernandez + Lauletta
there fixed for you... I a keeping the 1st round ranked stud OG thank you.
with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Weak arm? Where is everyone getting this from?
I don't know where everyone is getting it from, but I'm getting it from my own viewing of him
Please quantify that, all measurable analysis has him in the same range as most of today's NFL QBs.
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together with passing on what seemed like some talent that could have contributed right away on an OL that needs to improve significantly if we're going to do something with the 2 years that Eli has left - just doesn't seem like a coherent strategy.
Of course, a couple of guys had him rated as a 2nd round talent, so that justifies it. Davis Webb was rated a 1st rounder by some last season, and that meant a lot for how much playing time he got in a lost season.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
Did you think the OL left on the board in Rd4 we’re going to come in and start?
On this OL? Where we're hoping that a 6th rounder and a UDFA from the season prior compete for a starting spot, I'm going to go out on a limb and say why not?
Have in Webb. They said that. This pick is about value and position competition. If his arm was stronger he would have gone high first round. I wouldn’t have picked him ONLY because of his arm in MetLife, but that’s me what do I know.
I just don't see how you can handle a move to a new system and give two developmental guys the required snaps to give either a fair shot at progressing. Shouldn't be a massive issue in training camp but it'll very problematic inseason.
Or they think enough of Webb to backup Eli this year rather than bring in a Vet. They now have 2 young kids let the competition begin. If one of them turns into something, it's a homerun. I'll trust our new HC that there's a possibility here.
He's got a giant, impossible to ignore flaw with a weak arm and played against sub-par competition. This is a very, very low percentage of success move.
Percentage? NERRRRRRRRRRRRRD!
We don't do the math thing around here folks (bangs on keyboard, makes nerd noises).
with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Weak arm? Where is everyone getting this from?
I don't know where everyone is getting it from, but I'm getting it from my own viewing of him
Please quantify that, all measurable analysis has him in the same range as most of today's NFL QBs.
Well, he had trouble throwing the ball downfield in college.
RE: RE: Nothing wrong with taking a developmental QB late. Â
1. Not give up too early on Eli (after last years debacle) and give him to the end of his contract (which the Giants are big on) . That means 2 years IF he plays well this year under a much better HC/OC combination and improved OL.
2. Believe in Davis Webb enough (at least not to anoint another guy at pick #2 over him). He has been the consummate back up the day he stepped into the Giants facility and has busted his butt. A model QB understudy and exactly the persona the Giants love for their QB.
3. Take a QB later in draft (but still top 4 rounds) that you have a very high grade on like Lauletta, Mike White, or maybe Faulk. So the 'investment' is not as high but he can also provide competition and insurance for Davis Webb in case he doesn't pan out.
4. Also just as important a rare 'transformational' grade on a player you can take at the top of draft instead of a QB in Barkley.
If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
I like Lauletta and Webb. If you dont that is fine. People bitch about drafting a QB at 2 because we will never get another chance. If you miss on that pick you're fucked. If you have a 3rd and 4th round pick then the risk is minimal. Like pj posted earlier the odds of any 4th round pick working out is slim so why not take the chance on a QB? Under one of the west coast guys (Holmgren?) they say you should take a QB every year because the upside is worth it. So, stop bitching about stupid shit like twisting my words around.
Ron Wolfe in his book me ruined that about theory of drafting a QB every year.
I'm just against picking any quarterback in any round unless you like the guy so much you intend to insert him as the starter by mid season of current year. Stupid waste of a draft pick as was the last QB we drafted.
of you guys are ridiculous. It's starting to get comical with all the complaining. I'm excited to see this young QB develop. If he does, awesome. If he doesn't we still have Webb, and didn't waste a premium pick on him. Big fan of what the Giants are doing. For me this is smart drafting. I hope it all works out, and I can't wait to start rooting for this rookie class.
1) There's limited number of developmental snaps to go around
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
that Gettleman will take the highest rated player on his board no matter the perceived (by the fans... 99% of whom aren’t as knowledgeable about the team as they think) ‘needs’ of the team... which, to the best of my knowledge, usually works out for the best in the end.
Kid can’t throw it 80 yards downfield. Well, shit.
What he can do is anticipate coverage and put the ball in the right spots. Kid had 4 offensive coordinators in 4 years, so he is used to both pro and spread type offenses. His tape screams at me like a former Giants nemesis in Tony Romo. Small school guy. Known as a leader. Some arm strength questions, but gets the job done.
Is he better than Webb? I don’t know. But at least now, you have two shots at the heir apparent to Eli.
Removes any QB questions. Eli is our QB for the next 2 years.
Teams spent a fortune to get a young QB who will be anointed. The Giants spent only a 3rd and a 4th to get 2 NFL caliber QBs. No rush. Both will work hard and may the best man win. A battle rather than an anointment.
I really like Webb and Lauletta. Great family backgrounds and solid adults you would want to lead your team. Which ever one wins the eventual job down the road, it will be the results of proving it.
Time to start worrying about other positions. The Giants are set at QB.
Awesome.
If there is a negative, and its a very small one, it means you need to keep 3 QBs on your 53 man roster.
The Steelers seem to be following the same model with Dobbs and Lauletta.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/richmonds-kyle-lauletta-has-everything-nfl-teams-should-but-dont-look-for-in-a-qb-prospect
Here you go - ( New Window )
Where have you gone Ryan Nassib, our nation turns its lonely eyes to you...
Honestly, if they have “needs” at this point they will probably be filled by June 1st cuts. This is where you take guys that help you more in the future. Every now and then you may hit on one that helps you right away. I like the pick, good value. The Pats do this stuff all the time, they drafted Garoppolo and picked Brisett as well a year or two later.
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with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Weak arm? Where is everyone getting this from?
I don't know where everyone is getting it from, but I'm getting it from my own viewing of him
I didn't like the Webb pick at all so wtf do I know .
At first I thought they got him to flip him to someone who needs a QB worse.
Love this move.
Removes any QB questions. Eli is our QB for the next 2 years.
Teams spent a fortune to get a young QB who will be anointed. The Giants spent only a 3rd and a 4th to get 2 NFL caliber QBs. No rush. Both will work hard and may the best man win. A battle rather than an anointment.
I really like Webb and Lauletta. Great family backgrounds and solid adults you would want to lead your team. Which ever one wins the eventual job down the road, it will be the results of proving it.
Time to start worrying about other positions. The Giants are set at QB.
Awesome.
If there is a negative, and its a very small one, it means you need to keep 3 QBs on your 53 man roster.
How about we give them all a shot at starting this season...
Could probably improve his long ball spin. (As did Alex Smith?)
As opposed to:
Guys with low football I. Q. Who spin it nice deep, but to where nobody knows, I mean, EFF that in the NFL. (Example redacted, nobody that's here anyway)
Also guess who had the following draft report:
Negatives: Poor build. Very skinny and narrow. Looks a little frail and lacks great physical stature and strength. Can get pushed down more easily than you'd like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own.
This. Shurmurs a QB guru...the more QBs he has to evaluate and coach up, the more likely we will find Eli's successor.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
This is the math question to ponder:
(a) Barkley + Lauletta?
or
(b) Darnold/Rosen + Chubb/Jones/any of the highly rates RBs in this deep RB pool.
This is the legacy test for Jints Central and Mara/Gettleman/Accorsi...
Of course, a couple of guys had him rated as a 2nd round talent, so that justifies it. Davis Webb was rated a 1st rounder by some last season, and that meant a lot for how much playing time he got in a lost season.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
Did you think the OL left on the board in Rd4 we’re going to come in and start?
4th Round QB, BAD. 4th Round Anything Else, GOOD!
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Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
That’s a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
I remember before his last year in college Landry Jones was being tossed around as a possible first rounder. Granted, he did indeed suck in the pros and his time is up with Rudolph in the fold.
This guy sucks
But chad Pennington was a good QB until he got hurt. I’ll take Chad Pennington in the 4th
Or still (b) Lauletta + Barkley?
You are cheating here also...
First of all Chubb was gone also. you keep trying to add players that weren't available and you go hey would you want a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder or a 1st and a 4th? Really it should be in your own words
Would you want
A) Darnold + Chubb
or
B) Barkley + Will Hernandez + Lauletta
there fixed for you... I a keeping the 1st round ranked stud OG thank you.
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with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Weak arm? Where is everyone getting this from?
I don't know where everyone is getting it from, but I'm getting it from my own viewing of him
Please quantify that, all measurable analysis has him in the same range as most of today's NFL QBs.
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together with passing on what seemed like some talent that could have contributed right away on an OL that needs to improve significantly if we're going to do something with the 2 years that Eli has left - just doesn't seem like a coherent strategy.
Of course, a couple of guys had him rated as a 2nd round talent, so that justifies it. Davis Webb was rated a 1st rounder by some last season, and that meant a lot for how much playing time he got in a lost season.
Obviously it's just my opinion - but I get the really bad feeling we're going to be looking back on this draft as the definitive turning point for a franchise that was already trending in the wrong direction finally falling off a cliff. I really hope we're not looking at a number of long term, high performing QBs, and our take was a 1st round RB and a QB in the 4th.
Did you think the OL left on the board in Rd4 we’re going to come in and start?
On this OL? Where we're hoping that a 6th rounder and a UDFA from the season prior compete for a starting spot, I'm going to go out on a limb and say why not?
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/richmonds-kyle-lauletta-has-everything-nfl-teams-should-but-dont-look-for-in-a-qb-prospect
This is a must read...thanks for posting as it really points out his skill set... very good pick!
Or they think enough of Webb to backup Eli this year rather than bring in a Vet. They now have 2 young kids let the competition begin. If one of them turns into something, it's a homerun. I'll trust our new HC that there's a possibility here.
Percentage? NERRRRRRRRRRRRRD!
We don't do the math thing around here folks (bangs on keyboard, makes nerd noises).
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with all the OL and CB's on the board. Lauletta does not have the arm strength to play in Metlife stadium. This is the first pick I don't like and I think it was a real waste.
I thought he had a weak arm too. But so did Chad Pennington.
Weak arm? Where is everyone getting this from?
I don't know where everyone is getting it from, but I'm getting it from my own viewing of him
Please quantify that, all measurable analysis has him in the same range as most of today's NFL QBs.
Well, he had trouble throwing the ball downfield in college.
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Never know what youre going to get. There are more pressing needs obviously, but I’m fine with him and Webb battling it out.
Nassib?
You win some, you lose some. You keep going.
1. Not give up too early on Eli (after last years debacle) and give him to the end of his contract (which the Giants are big on) . That means 2 years IF he plays well this year under a much better HC/OC combination and improved OL.
2. Believe in Davis Webb enough (at least not to anoint another guy at pick #2 over him). He has been the consummate back up the day he stepped into the Giants facility and has busted his butt. A model QB understudy and exactly the persona the Giants love for their QB.
3. Take a QB later in draft (but still top 4 rounds) that you have a very high grade on like Lauletta, Mike White, or maybe Faulk. So the 'investment' is not as high but he can also provide competition and insurance for Davis Webb in case he doesn't pan out.
4. Also just as important a rare 'transformational' grade on a player you can take at the top of draft instead of a QB in Barkley.
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If one of Webb or Lauletta work out we are golden.
So if one of them turns out to be an AVERAGE NFL QB we're "golden"?
I like Lauletta and Webb. If you dont that is fine. People bitch about drafting a QB at 2 because we will never get another chance. If you miss on that pick you're fucked. If you have a 3rd and 4th round pick then the risk is minimal. Like pj posted earlier the odds of any 4th round pick working out is slim so why not take the chance on a QB? Under one of the west coast guys (Holmgren?) they say you should take a QB every year because the upside is worth it. So, stop bitching about stupid shit like twisting my words around.
Ron Wolfe in his book me ruined that about theory of drafting a QB every year.
Well, he had trouble throwing the ball downfield in college.
Everyone has a weakness
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Well, he had trouble throwing the ball downfield in college.
Everyone has a weakness
Right...but weak arm strength for a QB is a biggie
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
What he can do is anticipate coverage and put the ball in the right spots. Kid had 4 offensive coordinators in 4 years, so he is used to both pro and spread type offenses. His tape screams at me like a former Giants nemesis in Tony Romo. Small school guy. Known as a leader. Some arm strength questions, but gets the job done.
Is he better than Webb? I don’t know. But at least now, you have two shots at the heir apparent to Eli.
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Well, he had trouble throwing the ball downfield in college.
Everyone has a weakness
Right...but weak arm strength for a QB is a biggie
Now you are body shaming
Love this move.
Removes any QB questions. Eli is our QB for the next 2 years.
Teams spent a fortune to get a young QB who will be anointed. The Giants spent only a 3rd and a 4th to get 2 NFL caliber QBs. No rush. Both will work hard and may the best man win. A battle rather than an anointment.
I really like Webb and Lauletta. Great family backgrounds and solid adults you would want to lead your team. Which ever one wins the eventual job down the road, it will be the results of proving it.
Time to start worrying about other positions. The Giants are set at QB.
Awesome.
If there is a negative, and its a very small one, it means you need to keep 3 QBs on your 53 man roster.
The Steelers seem to be following the same model with Dobbs and Lauletta.