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New York Giants 4th Round Pick: QB Kyle Lauletta

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RE: RE: I guess they're not sold on Webb  
Jim in Tampa : 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13943184 Watson said:
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In comment 13942980 Jim in Tampa said:


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Or else why pick Lauletta?



Or they think enough of Webb to backup Eli this year rather than bring in a Vet. They now have 2 young kids let the competition begin. If one of them turns into something, it's a homerun. I'll trust our new HC that there's a possibility here.


You can spin it however you want, but if the Giants have to hedge their bets by taking another QB, it means that they're not sold on Webb.

I was actually holding out hope that they passed on a QB at 2 because they really liked Webb. Now I know that they don't.
After watching RGIII / Cousins, even Wentz / Foles, tho not #1s  
ChaChing : 1:08 pm : link
I get it. Insurance & flexibility at the most important position, as well as a shot at a starter / backup, if not the chance to flip one should both produce

Also makes sense given Shurmur's situation in MN w/ Bridgewater / Bradford / Keenum and his QB coaching experience (as well as what Bettcher saw at QB in AZ fwiw). Maybe they don't like Webb, maybe they just like KL, or maybe they know they need a #1 / #2 soon with Eli near the end
You go with your board  
And that's what the Giants did....I have no problem with this....everybody here is so freakin emotional, which is why none of you are making picks for an NFL team......one day, I have a feeling that every negative poster on this thread is gonna be called out at some time in the future......you go with your board....
Garopollo threw a respectable 56 mph  
shyster : 1:09 pm : link
at the 2014 combine.

Lauletta's 52 mph had him near the bottom of the 2018 class per the link above.





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CBS gave it an A  
jeff57 : 1:09 pm : link
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I really like this pick  
Oscar : 1:09 pm : link
I hope Webb pans out, this is just another opportunity. If they can hit on one of the two it allows them to go 1-3 more years with Eli and then hopefully have a successor ready without having to spend really premium picks on a guy either selecting him or trading up for him.

Right approach I think.


They also just didn’t have a third string QB until now.
RE: RE: So...  
bw in dc : 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13943176 Amtoft said:
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First of all Chubb was gone also. you keep trying to add players that weren't available and you go hey would you want a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder or a 1st and a 4th? Really it should be in your own words

Would you want

A) Darnold + Chubb
or
B) Barkley + Will Hernandez + Lauletta

there fixed for you... I a keeping the 1st round ranked stud OG thank you.


Jones and Chubb went after Hernandez. So both were available.

Fine. I'll add a third varriable.

Darnold + Chubb + Christian.

Something to think about...
RE: The pick make no sense for a number of reasons  
AcidTest : 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13943196 ajr2456 said:
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1) There's limited number of developmental snaps to go around
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth


^This.
It seems like an odd pick  
OlyWABigBlue : 1:10 pm : link
but in all honesty Shurmur may have PTSD from the recent QB situation/attrition in Minny and may just be hedging his bets.
But you kind of see how it is  
Anakim : 1:10 pm : link
I mean Josh Allen has shit accuracy, but he had a huge arm. He could throw the ball out of the stadium...over 'dem mountains. And he was taken top-10.


Lauletta is very accurate, but has a weak arm...and he was taken on Day 3.
BBI is not getting it  
5BowlsSoon : 1:10 pm : link
1. Shurmur obviously likes him and don’t you think he knows a thing or two about qbs. I have no problem letting he and Webb battle it out for Eli’s throne.

2. Crosby apparently is not as good as Wheeler, Biz, and Flowers.

So, this pick is more for the future, right? KL can be more beneficial in the long run than Crosby. In fact, KL just might be the man after Eli’s two years are up. We don’t really know, do we?

3. Do you trust Shurmur, DG, and our new qb coach? Or do you trust your skills in evaluating qbs more?
RE: RE: If  
SJGiant : 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13943063 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 13943047 AcidTest said:


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Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?



That’s a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?


It’s called gambling. The pats probably looked at who would likely pick a Qb and thought he could last later. Same may hold true with the Saints.

thought about it for a bit. It's not a stupid pick...  
Torrag : 1:10 pm : link
...it's a really, really stupid pick.
RE: Some  
RobCarpenter : 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13943194 Giantfootball025 said:
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of you guys are ridiculous. It's starting to get comical with all the complaining. I'm excited to see this young QB develop. If he does, awesome. If he doesn't we still have Webb, and didn't waste a premium pick on him. Big fan of what the Giants are doing. For me this is smart drafting. I hope it all works out, and I can't wait to start rooting for this rookie class.


They are butthurt over Darnold not being taken.
RE: RE: RE: If  
Since1976 : 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13943096 AcidTest said:
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Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?



That’s a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?



Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.



Check the link, plenty of “flukes” on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB.
List of “Fluke” QBs picked later in the draft... - ( New Window )
I'm less happy.  
TC : 1:11 pm : link
Unless the Giants believe he's a lot better than Webb, this is where I begin to have a problem with BPA. I don't buy needing to have two developmental QB's unless they both have exceptional potential to develop into a quality franchise QB. If they drafted a speed bump, it would be more likely to actually to ultimately contribute.
RE: RE: RE: So...  
Amtoft : 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13943224 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13943176 Amtoft said:


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First of all Chubb was gone also. you keep trying to add players that weren't available and you go hey would you want a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder or a 1st and a 4th? Really it should be in your own words

Would you want

A) Darnold + Chubb
or
B) Barkley + Will Hernandez + Lauletta

there fixed for you... I a keeping the 1st round ranked stud OG thank you.



Jones and Chubb went after Hernandez. So both were available.

Fine. I'll add a third varriable.

Darnold + Chubb + Christian.

Something to think about...


No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.
RE: You go with your board  
In comment 13943218 I Love Clams Casino said:
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And that's what the Giants did....I have no problem with this....everybody here is so freakin emotional, which is why none of you are making picks for an NFL team......one day, I have a feeling that every negative poster on this thread is gonna be called out at some time in the future......you go with your board....


People said that about Nassib and others as well. Pretty sure no one regrets their posts about those guys..
RE: BBI is not getting it  
TommyWiseau : 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13943231 5BowlsSoon said:
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1. Shurmur obviously likes him and don’t you think he knows a thing or two about qbs. I have no problem letting he and Webb battle it out for Eli’s throne.

2. Crosby apparently is not as good as Wheeler, Biz, and Flowers.

So, this pick is more for the future, right? KL can be more beneficial in the long run than Crosby. In fact, KL just might be the man after Eli’s two years are up. We don’t really know, do we?

3. Do you trust Shurmur, DG, and our new qb coach? Or do you trust your skills in evaluating qbs more?


How do you know Crosby is not as good? Its only the 4th round, Biz was a 6th rounder and Wheeler undrafted
RE: The pick make no sense for a number of reasons  
In comment 13943196 ajr2456 said:
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1) There's limited number of developmental snaps to go around
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth


1 - How do you know how many developmental snaps are available? are you at the Giants practices, meetings, training camp...That's a false statement.

2 - This regime did not spend any picks on anyone last year, this is their first draft.

3 - Again, how do you know neither is ready?

4 - I don't even have to name the qbs who were drafted later in the drafting that are starting right now for NFL teams.

5 - The Draft is not the end all be all for getting depth in this league, NFL FA, UDFA, and post training camp cuts will all be considered as well.
So many ridiculous comments  
The 12th Man : 1:13 pm : link
So many of the same people who said we had to have a QB are now bitching we drafted one. You can not Make it up. So it was okay
to take a QB in the 1st round hold the clipboard and do nothing and not focus on a position of need Now they take one they believe talent is better than where they are drafting him and the world ends.Thank God your not the GM’s. This is creating competition at the most important position on the field. Good for DG and his staff. Great job so far.
um  
BleedBlue : 1:14 pm : link
not really a legit ciomparison but ill bite.

Im taking barkley/lauletta/hernandez

over

darnold/chubb/christian


stupid but im going with our guys.
If they actually liked Webb as much as they claim to  
Greg from LI : 1:15 pm : link
Then this pick makes absolutely no sense.
Again, people seriously think Shurmur wasn’t taking a QB?  
Sean : 1:15 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: So...  
bw in dc : 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13943244 Amtoft said:
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No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.


Are you suggesting Christian isn't a good OL prospect? Or perhaps you don't know who he is?
A Wasted Pick  
Red Dog : 1:15 pm : link
First move DG has made that I don't agree with.

You can sign guys like this as vet free agents all day long.

how many who don't like the pick  
bc4life : 1:16 pm : link
actually follow Richmond football?
NFL.com had this guy projected in Round Three...  
M.S. : 1:17 pm : link

...but I'm not crazy about some of the negatives including:

Arm strength is a substantial concern;
Can't make all the NFL throws;
Perception of pressure can affect him;
Feet start dancing nervously when his internal clock goes off (hello Kerry Collins).

Positives include:

Heralded by scouts as team leader and elected team captain twice;
Has experience from shotgun, pistol and under center;
Footwork is smooth in play-action and setup;
Able to throw accurately to intermediate targets on the move.





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Strong pick  
Go Terps : 1:17 pm : link
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couple points  
GiantsFan84 : 1:17 pm : link
very different from the nassib pick. nassib was hopefully never going to play for the giants. remember those quotes? AND they traded up to get nassib. AND it was clear from watching him in college that he sucked. i don't think this kid sucks, he has a chance to take the reigns from Eli, and they didn't trade up to get him

the part that concerns me is they seem to be trying to win now. would they not have been better off drafting someone here who can help with this? there are LOTS of holes on this team still.

I don’t mind taking a QB here  
SomeFan : 1:17 pm : link
but the weak arm talk is concerning. His review of weaknesses by NFL.com meantioned the bad arm at least 4-5 times. Weak armed QBs have little upside.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If  
AcidTest : 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13943240 Since1976 said:
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In comment 13943063 Chris in Philly said:


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Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?



That’s a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?



Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.




Check the link, plenty of “flukes” on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB. List of “Fluke” QBs picked later in the draft... - ( New Window )


10 QB on a list that goes back to Bart Starr in 1956. How many QBs total were taken in round four or later in the last 62 years?
RE: RE: The pick make no sense for a number of reasons  
5BowlsSoon : 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13943251 Giantfootball025 said:
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In comment 13943196 ajr2456 said:


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1) There's limited number of developmental snaps to go around
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth



1 - How do you know how many developmental snaps are available? are you at the Giants practices, meetings, training camp...That's a false statement.

2 - This regime did not spend any picks on anyone last year, this is their first draft.

3 - Again, how do you know neither is ready?

4 - I don't even have to name the qbs who were drafted later in the drafting that are starting right now for NFL teams.

5 - The Draft is not the end all be all for getting depth in this league, NFL FA, UDFA, and post training camp cuts will all be considered as well.


Thank you for this intelligent rebuttal. You win....hands down.
RE: how many who don't like the pick  
bw in dc : 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13943271 bc4life said:
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actually follow Richmond football?


I've been to two of his games. Daughter goes to JMU.
Fyi  
5BowlsSoon : 1:19 pm : link
Mayock had him as rated number 66
Davis Webb has had one mini camp  
under the new regime. This pick has nothing to do with them "liking" him. This is about them picking their own QB and creating competition at the most important position in football.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So...  
Amtoft : 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13943267 bw in dc said:
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No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.



Are you suggesting Christian isn't a good OL prospect? Or perhaps you don't know who he is?


Christian Sam OG from ASU? Yeah I am a pac-12 guy and he isn't even close to Will Hernandez who everyone had as a 1st rounder. Sam is a 5th rounder.
Well, he  
LS : 1:21 pm : link
have the fastest shuttle time for a QB at the combine in the last 2 years. And his arm is better than Deshaun Watson's.
RE: So many ridiculous comments  
TC : 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13943254 The 12th Man said:
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So many of the same people who said we had to have a QB are now bitching we drafted one. You can not Make it up. So it was okay
to take a QB in the 1st round hold the clipboard and do nothing and not focus on a position of need Now they take one they believe talent is better than where they are drafting him and the world ends.Thank God your not the GM’s. This is creating competition at the most important position on the field. Good for DG and his staff. Great job so far.

So all QB's drafted are equal? There's a big difference between taking a QB you feel will be your next franchise QB to stand around for a season or two and learn compared to taking one who is likely to never do anything OTHER than stand around.

If they believe Webb can never be a starter, and Lauletta can, it's an entirely different story. I don't have an absolute opinion about Lauletta one way or the other, but from what I've seen, I don't have overwhelming confidence he will be that guy.
What's  
hilarious is they might still be able to get Crosby in the 5th. Lol.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So...  
Amtoft : 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13943299 Amtoft said:
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In comment 13943244 Amtoft said:


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No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.



Are you suggesting Christian isn't a good OL prospect? Or perhaps you don't know who he is?



Christian Sam OG from ASU? Yeah I am a pac-12 guy and he isn't even close to Will Hernandez who everyone had as a 1st rounder. Sam is a 5th rounder.


Oh wait that is Sam Jones I was thinking of. You must mean Geron?
RE: couple points  
In comment 13943279 GiantsFan84 said:
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very different from the nassib pick. nassib was hopefully never going to play for the giants. remember those quotes? AND they traded up to get nassib. AND it was clear from watching him in college that he sucked. i don't think this kid sucks, he has a chance to take the reigns from Eli, and they didn't trade up to get him

the part that concerns me is they seem to be trying to win now. would they not have been better off drafting someone here who can help with this? there are LOTS of holes on this team still.


There's a lot of revisionist history at play here. It's really not much different from the Nassib pick at all. Nassib was someone Mayock and others listed as having starter potential. And it was clear he didn't have it after a few years.

The quote of "we hope he never has to play" was very clear. Eli Manning was their best option at the time. If Nassib had to play, something bad happened to the starter.
RE: I know I'm going to crushed  
DavidinBMNY : 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13943084 PatchoguePete said:
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But I've read alot about this kid. I think the basement is Case Keenum. The ceiling...Joe Montana


I agree on the basement :-)

I don't get the angst.

Neither DG or PS drafted Webb.

It's a little irrational to be upset, when for the most important position on any football team, the leadership of our franchise didn't pick Webb and we're all supposed to fall in line and think he's nailed that job?

And this isn't Nassib 2.0. With Nassib they traded UP to get him.

I feel Shurmer and Shula are very good at developing and evaluating QB's. They had conviction in this kid. There is no way this was just the scouts here. The HC and OC had to be heavily involved here.

Guys days 1 and 2 were a homerun.

This is the first pick which is more towards the future.

It's an excellent draft.



RE: So many ridiculous comments  
In comment 13943254 The 12th Man said:
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So many of the same people who said we had to have a QB are now bitching we drafted one. You can not Make it up. So it was okay
to take a QB in the 1st round hold the clipboard and do nothing and not focus on a position of need Now they take one they believe talent is better than where they are drafting him and the world ends.Thank God your not the GM’s. This is creating competition at the most important position on the field. Good for DG and his staff. Great job so far.

It's not too hard to figure out that these people wanted a specific QB not just any QB. I wanted draft either Darnold or Rosen. I didn't want Allen, Rudolph, Jackson, or Lauletta. Lauletta lacks the arm strength to handle the winds of Metlife stadium.
My gut on this is we now have two  
Essex : 1:22 pm : link
Low percentage chance guys to be our franchise about. The chances are neither works out, but it is like buying another raffle ticket- it improves your chances somewhat. I don’t mind it, at first glance or thought. Both guys were the MVP of the Senior Bowl
Shurmer on Lauletta - ESPN  
JPinstripes : 1:23 pm : link
The Giants selected Richmond quarterback Kyle Lauletta with their fourth-round pick.

"Very good in all areas. Winner. Competitor. Only lacks elite arm strength, but he makes up for it with his legs and moxie," Giants coach Pat Shurmur told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a text message.
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RE: RE: So many ridiculous comments  
In comment 13943314 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13943254 The 12th Man said:


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So many of the same people who said we had to have a QB are now bitching we drafted one. You can not Make it up. So it was okay
to take a QB in the 1st round hold the clipboard and do nothing and not focus on a position of need Now they take one they believe talent is better than where they are drafting him and the world ends.Thank God your not the GM’s. This is creating competition at the most important position on the field. Good for DG and his staff. Great job so far.


It's not too hard to figure out that these people wanted a specific QB not just any QB. I wanted draft either Darnold or Rosen. I didn't want Allen, Rudolph, Jackson, or Lauletta. Lauletta lacks the arm strength to handle the winds of Metlife stadium.



The "wind" of Met Life is a myth. Met Life is no where near as windy as Giants Stadium. Not even close.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So...  
bw in dc : 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13943299 Amtoft said:
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No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.



Are you suggesting Christian isn't a good OL prospect? Or perhaps you don't know who he is?



Christian Sam OG from ASU? Yeah I am a pac-12 guy and he isn't even close to Will Hernandez who everyone had as a 1st rounder. Sam is a 5th rounder.


No, Geron Christian, Louisville.

You're lost...
RE: Strong pick  
Big Blue '56 : 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13943277 Go Terps said:
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I’m assuming facetious?
RE: RE: Strong pick  
Go Terps : 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13943326 Big Blue '56 said:
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I’m assuming facetious?


Not at all. I love the pick.
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