My concern is the strategy, chances of drafting a real franchise guy here is so low. With all the holes on the roster at CB, DE, OL, to take this shot is almost irresponsible.
1. Shurmur obviously likes him and don’t you think he knows a thing or two about qbs. I have no problem letting he and Webb battle it out for Eli’s throne.
2. Crosby apparently is not as good as Wheeler, Biz, and Flowers.
So, this pick is more for the future, right? KL can be more beneficial in the long run than Crosby. In fact, KL just might be the man after Eli’s two years are up. We don’t really know, do we?
3. Do you trust Shurmur, DG, and our new qb coach? Or do you trust your skills in evaluating qbs more?
My concern is the strategy, chances of drafting a real franchise guy here is so low. With all the holes on the roster at CB, DE, OL, to take this shot is almost irresponsible.
Exactly! Even though it's only a 4th round pick, a 4th round CB, LB, DL or OL who gets to play even a little is going to a lot more valuable the QB who probably never will.
The Giants selected Richmond quarterback Kyle Lauletta with their fourth-round pick.
"Very good in all areas. Winner. Competitor. Only lacks elite arm strength, but he makes up for it with his legs and moxie," Giants coach Pat Shurmur told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a text message. ESPN - ( New Window )
From a cursory review, isn't this basically what they say about Darnold? Just that KL maybe has better mechanics & a quicker release?
but Eli is just about done (or already done depending on who you ask). when nassib was picked it was as a just in case backup, not as a potential replacement in a year or two
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
That’s a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
Check the link, plenty of “flukes” on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB. List of “Fluke” QBs picked later in the draft... - ( New Window )
10 QB on a list that goes back to Bart Starr in 1956. How many QBs total were taken in round four or later in the last 62 years?
Here’s an article From 2016 tracking QBs taken in the 4th round since 1980. I love how it starts. Also, I have a suspicion that if the Pats had indeed taken Lauletta, it would have been caonsidered a great move, value pick, future replacement for Brady etc. in fact at least one draft review gave us an “A” for this pick.
“The fourth round of the NFL draft has never been a throwaway round for quarterbacks.
Since 1980, there have been 58 quarterbacks selected in the fourth. NFL teams have found NCAA passing champions (Stefan LeFors), consensus All-Americas (Mark Herrmann) and Heisman Trophy winners (Danny Wuerffel, Chris Weinke) there.
Quarterbacks in that round have gone on to produce 3,000- (Aaron Brooks, Kyle Orton) and 4,000-yard passing seasons (Scott Mitchell, Kirk Cousins) in the NFL. They've also gone on to be named Pro Bowler (Steve Beuerlein) and NFL MVP (Rich Gannon).”
Kyle Lauletta will never amount to anything in the NFL. And 9 or the next 10 guys drafted will never amount to anything in the NFL. And all the guys you wanted to draft will never amount to anything in the NFL.
As as aside, it's pretty interesting to see the level of expertise that you guys have when it comes to a Richmond QB and a UTEP OG. You guys really must have been putting in hours watching that "film".
I actually have seen Lauletta play one game of football. From my recollection Richmond scored a lot of points and Lauletta played well. I have no further opinion, aside from the obvious - 4th round picks usually don't go very far.
1) There's limited number of developmental snaps to go around
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
1 - How do you know how many developmental snaps are available? are you at the Giants practices, meetings, training camp...That's a false statement.
2 - This regime did not spend any picks on anyone last year, this is their first draft.
3 - Again, how do you know neither is ready?
4 - I don't even have to name the qbs who were drafted later in the drafting that are starting right now for NFL teams.
5 - The Draft is not the end all be all for getting depth in this league, NFL FA, UDFA, and post training camp cuts will all be considered as well.
1 - because there's a limited number of snaps at practice. Hence why Webb want ready to play Game 15 of a 3-13 season.
2 - whether this regime spent the pick or not two mid round picks have been spent on developmental Qbs when one could have went to the secondary for example.
3 - Lauletta isn't ready to play if Eli goes down Week 1 else he doesn't go round 4.
4 - your harping on the exceptions not the rules. 8 of the 12 playoff teams were led by a first round QB, and before you say Foles, Wentz got them the number one seed
New York Giants: Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond A+ Grade
I don't understand why Kyle Lauletta wasn't selected on Day 2. He easily could've been taken on Day 2, and it could be argued that he's the fifth-best quarterback in the class. Kyle Lauletta could definitely replace Eli Manning in a year or two and become a solid starter in the NFL
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The Giants selected Richmond quarterback Kyle Lauletta with their fourth-round pick.
"Very good in all areas. Winner. Competitor. Only lacks elite arm strength, but he makes up for it with his legs and moxie," Giants coach Pat Shurmur told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a text message. ESPN - ( New Window )
From a cursory review, isn't this basically what they say about Darnold? Just that KL maybe has better mechanics & a quicker release?
And b4 someone says it, I'm just noticing similar analysis not saying one is as good
No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.
Are you suggesting Christian isn't a good OL prospect? Or perhaps you don't know who he is?
Christian Sam OG from ASU? Yeah I am a pac-12 guy and he isn't even close to Will Hernandez who everyone had as a 1st rounder. Sam is a 5th rounder.
No, Geron Christian, Louisville.
You're lost...
Geron was picked in the 3rd round so you are cheating again. That is why I didn't know who you were talking about. I assumed you would be talking about someone that hasn't been taken or taken in the 4th as that is the same as Lauletta.
You are saying hey you want 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder or a 1st, 2nd, and 4th rounder.
Here let me help you.
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
under the new regime. This pick has nothing to do with them "liking" him. This is about them picking their own QB and creating competition at the most important position in football.
This pick has EVERYTHING to do with the Giants not liking Webb. As you noted, they wanted to pick their own QB.
but Eli is just about done (or already done depending on who you ask). when nassib was picked it was as a just in case backup, not as a potential replacement in a year or two
I agree Eli is close to the end. But it's going to be Barkley's team when Eli's done. If Saquon is what they think he is, it's a lot easier for the next QB, whoever it is, to step in and play.
The Reese/Coughlin regime was TERRIBLE at this. Jared Lorenzen, Andre Woodson, Ryan Perilloux, Rhett Bomar, Ryan Nassib... They couldn't find a QB who even ended up being good enough to flip for a pick.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
The hysteria is fucking priceless on this thread Â
But we’more any CB or WR available for NYG to take? At one point I did say they’d 100% draft Lauletta. Just am wondering if a potential WR 2 or CB to either replace BMarsh or DRC as nickel. Guess it’s on William Gay
RE: I assume this means we're carrying 3 QBs all season. Â
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
But the argument can be made that realizing they need to replace him and to continue to do it with mid round guys and passing on better options is a bad strategy.
Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
That’s a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
Check the link, plenty of “flukes” on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB. List of “Fluke” QBs picked later in the draft... - ( New Window )
10 QB on a list that goes back to Bart Starr in 1956. How many QBs total were taken in round four or later in the last 62 years?
Here’s an article From 2016 tracking QBs taken in the 4th round since 1980. I love how it starts. Also, I have a suspicion that if the Pats had indeed taken Lauletta, it would have been caonsidered a great move, value pick, future replacement for Brady etc. in fact at least one draft review gave us an “A” for this pick.
“The fourth round of the NFL draft has never been a throwaway round for quarterbacks.
Since 1980, there have been 58 quarterbacks selected in the fourth. NFL teams have found NCAA passing champions (Stefan LeFors), consensus All-Americas (Mark Herrmann) and Heisman Trophy winners (Danny Wuerffel, Chris Weinke) there.
Quarterbacks in that round have gone on to produce 3,000- (Aaron Brooks, Kyle Orton) and 4,000-yard passing seasons (Scott Mitchell, Kirk Cousins) in the NFL. They've also gone on to be named Pro Bowler (Steve Beuerlein) and NFL MVP (Rich Gannon).” 4th round QBs since 1980 - ( New Window )
Cousins is by far the best of that lot. Add in Beuerlein and Gannon and that's three. Out of 58. Brooks, Orton, and Mitchell were decidedly average. The rest were awful. No thanks.
Brooks and Mitchell also had much better arms than Lauletta. This isn't just that we have a ton of holes. His lack of arm strength means the overwhelming likelihood is that he's at best a backup.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
But the argument can be made that realizing they need to replace him and to continue to do it with mid round guys and passing on better options is a bad strategy.
and the other argument can be made that franchise qbs are not always drafted early in the draft, because they are in fact not.
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
Oh, for crissakes you really can't follow.
I'm taking Darnold over Barkley? Easy enough?
Then I'm taking players who were available in rounds 2 and 3 that were selected AFTER we picked.
Let me dummy it down further:
We selected Hernandez in round 2. Right? Instead, we could have had Chubb or Jones because both were available. So RB need filled - capiche?
In round three, we selected Lo Carter. Are you with me? Instead, we could have selected Geron Christian who went after Carter. Thus, oline need filled...
If you can acknowledge that you get this, we can move forward. Otherwise, on to the next pick...
strength isn't about throwing 60 yard bombs. It's about throwing 20 yard outs and comebacks against exceptionally tight windows, or deep seam passes before a safety crushes the receiver.
It's all good - you Pac12 guys are normally lost since good football is really east of the Mississippi... ;)
Hey just because you are asleep doesn't mean we aren't still playing great football... Oh and Darnold.. Pac12! so even you want Barkley over Darnold! hahaha
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
And I suggest you stop taking everything a HC says about liking or not liking a player as fact. What the hell was he supposed to say about Webb when asked?
I stand by my comment. If the Giants/Shurmur/DG were "actually impressed" with Webb, they wouldn't have hedged their bets and taken another QB.
And might I also suggest you tone it down with the condescending "this isn't that hard folks" comments, as if you're the only one who has figured this out and yours is the only opinion that matters!
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
Oh, for crissakes you really can't follow.
I'm taking Darnold over Barkley? Easy enough?
Then I'm taking players who were available in rounds 2 and 3 that were selected AFTER we picked.
Let me dummy it down further:
We selected Hernandez in round 2. Right? Instead, we could have had Chubb or Jones because both were available. So RB need filled - capiche?
In round three, we selected Lo Carter. Are you with me? Instead, we could have selected Geron Christian who went after Carter. Thus, oline need filled...
If you can acknowledge that you get this, we can move forward. Otherwise, on to the next pick...
Right so you are saying then...
Darnold, Chubb, Geron Christian, BJ Hill, some random 4th rounder you want to name later
or
Barkley, Will Hernanadez, Carter, Hill, or Lauletta
Again I am keeping Carter and the day one starter at OG which we need bad.
12 of 32 teams last year had starting QB's who were not drafted in the first round. Not saying all of those 12 are franchise guys either. But, there's value to be had later in the draft. You trust your board, and make the picks you see fit. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Let's just start rooting for the kid, he's a Giant now.
strength isn't about throwing 60 yard bombs. It's about throwing 20 yard outs and comebacks against exceptionally tight windows, or deep seam passes before a safety crushes the receiver.
And he did this at the Senior Bowl and while at Richmond. The kid may wind up being horrible but there’s a vast difference between not having elite arm strength and having a noodle arm. No one said Chad Pennington had an elite arm but he was good until the injuries.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
But the argument can be made that realizing they need to replace him and to continue to do it with mid round guys and passing on better options is a bad strategy.
and the other argument can be made that franchise qbs are not always drafted early in the draft, because they are in fact not.
There are exceptions sure, but drafting developmental options late who already have the odds against them relies so much on being able to develop them.
Rosen and Darnold have much more in their favor skill wise to be at least league average.
My concern is the strategy, chances of drafting a real franchise guy here is so low. With all the holes on the roster at CB, DE, OL, to take this shot is almost irresponsible.
2. Crosby apparently is not as good as Wheeler, Biz, and Flowers.
So, this pick is more for the future, right? KL can be more beneficial in the long run than Crosby. In fact, KL just might be the man after Eli’s two years are up. We don’t really know, do we?
3. Do you trust Shurmur, DG, and our new qb coach? Or do you trust your skills in evaluating qbs more?
^THIS^
But seriously.
- Now you have 2x yoots to learn under Manning.
Round 1 2019 a.k.a. next year? All you skinny guys might get your early WR again! Woot woot!
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I’m assuming facetious?
Not at all. I love the pick.
Why? Always interested in your take(s)
My concern is the strategy, chances of drafting a real franchise guy here is so low. With all the holes on the roster at CB, DE, OL, to take this shot is almost irresponsible.
Exactly! Even though it's only a 4th round pick, a 4th round CB, LB, DL or OL who gets to play even a little is going to a lot more valuable the QB who probably never will.
"Very good in all areas. Winner. Competitor. Only lacks elite arm strength, but he makes up for it with his legs and moxie," Giants coach Pat Shurmur told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a text message. ESPN - ( New Window )
From a cursory review, isn't this basically what they say about Darnold? Just that KL maybe has better mechanics & a quicker release?
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Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
That’s a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
Check the link, plenty of “flukes” on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB. List of “Fluke” QBs picked later in the draft... - ( New Window )
10 QB on a list that goes back to Bart Starr in 1956. How many QBs total were taken in round four or later in the last 62 years?
Here’s an article From 2016 tracking QBs taken in the 4th round since 1980. I love how it starts. Also, I have a suspicion that if the Pats had indeed taken Lauletta, it would have been caonsidered a great move, value pick, future replacement for Brady etc. in fact at least one draft review gave us an “A” for this pick.
“The fourth round of the NFL draft has never been a throwaway round for quarterbacks.
Since 1980, there have been 58 quarterbacks selected in the fourth. NFL teams have found NCAA passing champions (Stefan LeFors), consensus All-Americas (Mark Herrmann) and Heisman Trophy winners (Danny Wuerffel, Chris Weinke) there.
Quarterbacks in that round have gone on to produce 3,000- (Aaron Brooks, Kyle Orton) and 4,000-yard passing seasons (Scott Mitchell, Kirk Cousins) in the NFL. They've also gone on to be named Pro Bowler (Steve Beuerlein) and NFL MVP (Rich Gannon).”
4th round QBs since 1980 - ( New Window )
As as aside, it's pretty interesting to see the level of expertise that you guys have when it comes to a Richmond QB and a UTEP OG. You guys really must have been putting in hours watching that "film".
I actually have seen Lauletta play one game of football. From my recollection Richmond scored a lot of points and Lauletta played well. I have no further opinion, aside from the obvious - 4th round picks usually don't go very far.
Notice NE traded down after NYG took him. Supposedly the Pats were high on him.
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1) There's limited number of developmental snaps to go around
2) You spent a mid round pick on a developmental QB last year
3) Neither QB is ready to step in if Eli gets hurt
4) You clearly realize you'll need an Eli replacement but keep trying to find it with mid round picks (Nassib, Webb, Lauletta) but not with the higher ranked prospects.
5) you have a roster that badly needs depth
1 - How do you know how many developmental snaps are available? are you at the Giants practices, meetings, training camp...That's a false statement.
2 - This regime did not spend any picks on anyone last year, this is their first draft.
3 - Again, how do you know neither is ready?
4 - I don't even have to name the qbs who were drafted later in the drafting that are starting right now for NFL teams.
5 - The Draft is not the end all be all for getting depth in this league, NFL FA, UDFA, and post training camp cuts will all be considered as well.
1 - because there's a limited number of snaps at practice. Hence why Webb want ready to play Game 15 of a 3-13 season.
2 - whether this regime spent the pick or not two mid round picks have been spent on developmental Qbs when one could have went to the secondary for example.
3 - Lauletta isn't ready to play if Eli goes down Week 1 else he doesn't go round 4.
4 - your harping on the exceptions not the rules. 8 of the 12 playoff teams were led by a first round QB, and before you say Foles, Wentz got them the number one seed
New York Giants: Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond A+ Grade
I don't understand why Kyle Lauletta wasn't selected on Day 2. He easily could've been taken on Day 2, and it could be argued that he's the fifth-best quarterback in the class. Kyle Lauletta could definitely replace Eli Manning in a year or two and become a solid starter in the NFL
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The Giants selected Richmond quarterback Kyle Lauletta with their fourth-round pick.
"Very good in all areas. Winner. Competitor. Only lacks elite arm strength, but he makes up for it with his legs and moxie," Giants coach Pat Shurmur told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a text message. ESPN - ( New Window )
From a cursory review, isn't this basically what they say about Darnold? Just that KL maybe has better mechanics & a quicker release?
And b4 someone says it, I'm just noticing similar analysis not saying one is as good
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No thanks... we need OL bad and you want to take out Will Hernandez? how would that ever make sense.
Are you suggesting Christian isn't a good OL prospect? Or perhaps you don't know who he is?
Christian Sam OG from ASU? Yeah I am a pac-12 guy and he isn't even close to Will Hernandez who everyone had as a 1st rounder. Sam is a 5th rounder.
No, Geron Christian, Louisville.
You're lost...
Geron was picked in the 3rd round so you are cheating again. That is why I didn't know who you were talking about. I assumed you would be talking about someone that hasn't been taken or taken in the 4th as that is the same as Lauletta.
You are saying hey you want 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder or a 1st, 2nd, and 4th rounder.
Here let me help you.
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
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Notice NE traded down after NYG took him. Supposedly the Pats were high on him.
But they could have taken him right before us
This pick has EVERYTHING to do with the Giants not liking Webb. As you noted, they wanted to pick their own QB.
Rhett Bomar
Ryan Nassib
Davis Webb
Kyle Lauletta
Rhett Bomar
Ryan Nassib
Davis Webb
Kyle Lauletta
WTF does that have to do with the price of rice in China? DG drafted them? No. He didn't.
I'll give you a hint... Not a lot of 60 yard bombs.
I agree Eli is close to the end. But it's going to be Barkley's team when Eli's done. If Saquon is what they think he is, it's a lot easier for the next QB, whoever it is, to step in and play.
Rhett Bomar
Ryan Nassib
Davis Webb
Kyle Lauletta
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
We carried 3 last season.
You know that we carried three QBs last year, right?
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
But the argument can be made that realizing they need to replace him and to continue to do it with mid round guys and passing on better options is a bad strategy.
I wanted Darnold too, but I think we've had a good couple days.
RB or WR. Saquon should be a 3-down back. None of this split carries nonsense. Keep Gallman, maybe keep Perkins.
Engram serves as a WR in some packages which means you don't have to keep the normal number of WRs.
If they're running a 3-4, which they are, it means they need to keep more linebackers on the roster as well.
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Lauletta was so great, if so many teams had a second round grade on him, then why was he still available in the fourth round? Especially since teams are always desperate for QBs. The Patriots have an aging Tom Brady, and they passed on him how many times?
That’s a dumb argument. Why did Tom Brady last until the 6th round?
Brady was a fluke. Day three QBs are a waste. Nassib, Bomar, and Woodson. And that's just the Giants. The Steelers took Landry Jones the same year we took Nassib, and took Dobbs last year. And Nassib had a stronger arm than Lauletta.
Check the link, plenty of “flukes” on this list that were picked way later than round 6. From solid to spectacular. This kid has been doubted every step of the way since high school. But here he is, our possible future starting QB. List of “Fluke” QBs picked later in the draft... - ( New Window )
10 QB on a list that goes back to Bart Starr in 1956. How many QBs total were taken in round four or later in the last 62 years?
Here’s an article From 2016 tracking QBs taken in the 4th round since 1980. I love how it starts. Also, I have a suspicion that if the Pats had indeed taken Lauletta, it would have been caonsidered a great move, value pick, future replacement for Brady etc. in fact at least one draft review gave us an “A” for this pick.
“The fourth round of the NFL draft has never been a throwaway round for quarterbacks.
Since 1980, there have been 58 quarterbacks selected in the fourth. NFL teams have found NCAA passing champions (Stefan LeFors), consensus All-Americas (Mark Herrmann) and Heisman Trophy winners (Danny Wuerffel, Chris Weinke) there.
Quarterbacks in that round have gone on to produce 3,000- (Aaron Brooks, Kyle Orton) and 4,000-yard passing seasons (Scott Mitchell, Kirk Cousins) in the NFL. They've also gone on to be named Pro Bowler (Steve Beuerlein) and NFL MVP (Rich Gannon).” 4th round QBs since 1980 - ( New Window )
Cousins is by far the best of that lot. Add in Beuerlein and Gannon and that's three. Out of 58. Brooks, Orton, and Mitchell were decidedly average. The rest were awful. No thanks.
Brooks and Mitchell also had much better arms than Lauletta. This isn't just that we have a ton of holes. His lack of arm strength means the overwhelming likelihood is that he's at best a backup.
Senior bowl mvp - ( New Window )
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This isn't that hard folks.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
But the argument can be made that realizing they need to replace him and to continue to do it with mid round guys and passing on better options is a bad strategy.
and the other argument can be made that franchise qbs are not always drafted early in the draft, because they are in fact not.
Rhett Bomar
Ryan Nassib
Davis Webb
Kyle Lauletta
Andre Woodson.
Here let me help you.
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
Oh, for crissakes you really can't follow.
I'm taking Darnold over Barkley? Easy enough?
Then I'm taking players who were available in rounds 2 and 3 that were selected AFTER we picked.
Let me dummy it down further:
We selected Hernandez in round 2. Right? Instead, we could have had Chubb or Jones because both were available. So RB need filled - capiche?
In round three, we selected Lo Carter. Are you with me? Instead, we could have selected Geron Christian who went after Carter. Thus, oline need filled...
If you can acknowledge that you get this, we can move forward. Otherwise, on to the next pick...
Hey just because you are asleep doesn't mean we aren't still playing great football... Oh and Darnold.. Pac12! so even you want Barkley over Darnold! hahaha
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QBs have we taken in the Eli era?
Rhett Bomar
Ryan Nassib
Davis Webb
Kyle Lauletta
Andre Woodson.
So Giants have spent a 3rd, two 4ths and two sixths on QBs.
That's a lot to invest with nothing to show for it imo. Let's hope Webb or Lauletta can actually play in the NFL.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
And I suggest you stop taking everything a HC says about liking or not liking a player as fact. What the hell was he supposed to say about Webb when asked?
I stand by my comment. If the Giants/Shurmur/DG were "actually impressed" with Webb, they wouldn't have hedged their bets and taken another QB.
And might I also suggest you tone it down with the condescending "this isn't that hard folks" comments, as if you're the only one who has figured this out and yours is the only opinion that matters!
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Here let me help you.
Darnold, Chubb, and Brian Allen (first OL taken in the 4th
or
Barkley, Will Hernandez, and Kyle Lauletta
Again I am keeping Will Hernandez a day one starter at OG which we need. Oh and Geron is a project and will need time so even if you tried to steal him into our 4th round pick like Lauletta was I still would take Hernandez and Barkley and I love Chubb.
Oh, for crissakes you really can't follow.
I'm taking Darnold over Barkley? Easy enough?
Then I'm taking players who were available in rounds 2 and 3 that were selected AFTER we picked.
Let me dummy it down further:
We selected Hernandez in round 2. Right? Instead, we could have had Chubb or Jones because both were available. So RB need filled - capiche?
In round three, we selected Lo Carter. Are you with me? Instead, we could have selected Geron Christian who went after Carter. Thus, oline need filled...
If you can acknowledge that you get this, we can move forward. Otherwise, on to the next pick...
Right so you are saying then...
Darnold, Chubb, Geron Christian, BJ Hill, some random 4th rounder you want to name later
or
Barkley, Will Hernanadez, Carter, Hill, or Lauletta
Again I am keeping Carter and the day one starter at OG which we need bad.
exactly right... Getting Hernandez is a huge win and should have been a first rounder.
And he did this at the Senior Bowl and while at Richmond. The kid may wind up being horrible but there’s a vast difference between not having elite arm strength and having a noodle arm. No one said Chad Pennington had an elite arm but he was good until the injuries.
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In comment 13943384 Eric from BBI said:
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This isn't that hard folks.
Shurmur liked what he saw from Webb this weekend. He actually was really impressed (again, I suggest you guys start watching the press conferences instead of just living in a vacuum).
What this is about is not putting all of your eggs in the Webb basket.
The Giants need to replace Eli. They now have two options. You may not like the options, but the Giants are taking this approach.
But the argument can be made that realizing they need to replace him and to continue to do it with mid round guys and passing on better options is a bad strategy.
and the other argument can be made that franchise qbs are not always drafted early in the draft, because they are in fact not.
There are exceptions sure, but drafting developmental options late who already have the odds against them relies so much on being able to develop them.
Rosen and Darnold have much more in their favor skill wise to be at least league average.
https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/3/20/17141056/2018-nfl-draft-film-review-strengths-weaknesses-richmond-kyle-lauletta-new-england-patriots