2018 New York Giants Draft: How did they do?

Although I absolutely hate the 4th round QB selection. I hate it the same way I hated the Nassib and Flowers selections.

but for now, I loved what they did.

i really don't have huge complaints about any of their picks. they got a lot better over the past 3 days

but if one of the QBs, specifically Darnold turns into a franchise QB and in the very near future the giants are looking for a QB this will go down as a missed opportunity and a huge failure of a draft, no matter how good barkley is

I wanted Darnold but it’s hard to argue with what they did. Can’t wait to see Barkley in action.

Always thought our starter played way too much under spags and McAdoo.

The QB pick is meh but I think they gave themselves a shot at landing 4-5 high quality starters in the league.

While I wasn't thrilled with the Lauletta selection I get it. When you take into account that Shurmur really liked this particular QB he was worth a 4th round pick. I thought it would have been better to take an offensive lineman or CB there. Lauletta could end up being a solid QB similar to Derek Carr.

felt like an old-school Giants draft.

it, except for Lauletta. I'm so tired of the mindless lectures about "value vs. need," especially for a QB who likely doesn't have the arm strength to succeed in the NFL. Many teams that needed QBs passed on him.

got bigger, faster and stronger at the point of attack.

Barkley is the new face of the franchise.

Lastly, it's been a long time since the Giants drafted a guard in round 2 and a LB in round 3 during the same draft. Refreshing to say the least.

In comment 13943860 GiantsFan84 said:

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i really don't have huge complaints about any of their picks. they got a lot better over the past 3 days but if one of the QBs, specifically Darnold turns into a franchise QB and in the very near future the giants are looking for a QB this will go down as a missed opportunity and a huge failure of a draft, no matter how good barkley is

If they win another Lombardi trophy in the next few years with Barkley playing a big part in us getting there I can care less about how good Darnold is. We will find another QB at some point if they aren’t already on the roster.

I mean, not the OT or db , but, very solid thinking.

The QB, along w Webb. May pay huge dividends if we don't need to revisit in future drafts premium spots.

Crosby in that last round.

how close them came - my guess is Jints Central took a lot of calls - but I wish there was more trading down to add more talent/depth.

There was, at least on paper, a lot of recognizable talent that dropped below their pre-draft grade/round.

In comment 13943881 Ira said:

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Crosby in that last round.

I wanted them to take him as well, but I think someone on here said he has concussion issues which is why he dropped so far.

I am pumped with the draft. It's so much more fun (to me) to watch Barkley play with Eli and Beckham rather than draft a QB that may or may not be good and ultimately lead to forcing Eli out in what would probably be a bitter ending. It's going to be fun to watch this offense with competent coaching and explosive playmakers in the backfield and downfield.

that the 3rd round was the key: I figured we'd do well in rounds 1 and 2 (and we did) and the rounds 4 and 5 would be iffy (and they were). But two selections in the 3rd would make it or break it.

I like both of those picks: Carter and Hill will both contribute this season and the former might even start for us before the year is done. Based on that, I feel like we got something like a B+

I get the motives for going QB in the 4th, but felt we needed to address at least one of our three biggest remaining holes in the 5th, and we didn't do that.

So I'm going to say it was a solid B/B+ and look forward to being proven a tough grader this season.

Get better in the trenches. It is a good approach

Look forward to seeing this team take the field. Eli will have some serious play action glory.

DG was not wrong about those qb's with the first pick....

Think we went overboard on the DL.....thought we should have gone OL, at least twice...

Thought QB was a mistake.....especially when we need DB help....

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Just think the qb is somewhat of a head scratcher with only 6 picks. But I get the idea of the hedge

pick than just being true to their board, that maybe Shurmer really likes the kid. Love Barkley and based on Sy's info Carter, Hill, McIntosh are great picks. Also encouraged that there really seems to be a plan in place and they drafted to that plan.

Big play guy in Barkley.
Starting G in Hernandez
LB with who could develop into a force on the edge
Second young QB with a chance to take over for Eli
A couple of DL who will provide depth if nothing else

Would have preferred a second OL to a second DL but the 5th round is crap-shoot territory so can live with it.

Barkley and Hernandez is what I'm most excited about.

they stated their goals and actually followed through with it unlike the previous regime. The D-line sorely needed the depth especially with the type of defense Bettcher is going to run. The front 7 needs to be strong for it to be successful.

Barkley and Hernandez are big, big upgrades for the offense. I think it's pretty much given they're going to add some UDFA OL and WR's to compete in camp hoping to find more depth to develop.

Using low-round resources to take fliers on QB's is smart, I think. Now there's two guys they feel good about and have a couple years to develop before they decide they need to move on and use bigger resources down the road. They know they need to find the next 10-year starter but they still have time before Eli is completely done. If they both turn out good that's super valuable trade assets down the road.

Teams do complete 180's in the NFL nowadays, I wouldn't be shocked if they're a middling 8-8 team or competing for a wild card spot next year, but who knows. O-line and secondary are still question marks. I think Eli has life in him but if he doesn't show anything this year then I don't think there's anymore doubt about whether or not it's time to move on.

Easy to question whether they made the right decisions, but I feel like it's going in the right direction so far. Can't wait for camp!

see the Senior Bowl? If you Tivod it and still have it watch the 4th quarter. Most of the negatives I heard was he played against questionable competition. However, at the Senior Bowl that wasn't the case. Obviously, Shurmur was there and was impressed. A great choice in the 4th round IMHO.

I think we still need help in the offensive line, especially right tackle and need one more starting safety and one very good corner. But every team has needs. We're ready to rock n roll.

Its appears that they have plan to fix the running game and Im excited what that can do to open up the passing game. As well as extend Eli's career.

On top of that they improved the D-line and linebackers.

if he were to ever become a quality QB it is a steal at the most important position, plus we have confidence that DG can rebuild the rest of the team

Actually. W/ the exception of Lauletta I loved every pick, and we are starting to finally see the end of basketball on grass. It's going back to wrecking ball time.

even in 2011, Eli worked magic in a handful of those games. It felt like a lot of adjusting on the fly from 2012 - 2017, a ton of reactionary moves. Chasing down the offense of defense based on the prior season.

This feels different. DG saying to never draft based on need is so refreshing. Flowers was a need pick at 9 and it’s been a disaster.

Draft the consensus best player in the draft with Saquon & build up the trenches. It finally feels like this team has a vision for how it wants to play. They didn’t force a QB pick (obviously were not high enough on the top guys), but still drafted Lauletta who was high on the Pats wish list if you believe reports. Let Webb & Lauletta compete - maybe NYG gets lucky with either, if not it was low risk.

I like the direction.

In comment 13943914 Ed A. said:

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see the Senior Bowl? If you Tivod it and still have it watch the 4th quarter. Most of the negatives I heard was he played against questionable competition. However, at the Senior Bowl that wasn't the case. Obviously, Shurmur was there and was impressed. A great choice in the 4th round IMHO.

The game is really inconsequential. The practices are where the money is made. Sy could verify but almost all of the scouts are of of town the night before the game.

Regardless, nearly all reports from those practices suggested Lauletta really showed well...

In comment 13943931 Joey in VA said:

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Actually. W/ the exception of Lauletta I loved every pick, and we are starting to finally see the end of basketball on grass. It's going back to wrecking ball time.

I’d guess Shurmur had a huge say in Lauletta.

Don't like the Lauletta pick. Understand the reasoning, but disagree with it. But, heck, I could be wrong. Not a bad pick, just not the best use of that pick for the Giants.

But all the other guys look like they've got a good shot at contributing, and sooner rather than later.

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In comment 13943931 Joey in VA said: Quote: Actually. W/ the exception of Lauletta I loved every pick, and we are starting to finally see the end of basketball on grass. It's going back to wrecking ball time. I’d guess Shurmur had a huge say in Lauletta.

Yeah. Shurmur and Shula.

And see what they got.

Run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer. Checked all the boxes.

After years of poor line play (except Snacks on the DL) I’m looking forward to the season.

And I love the Barkley pick. I watched a lot of Penn State games and his ability was impressive.

Instead of the Miami DT... not that I don’t like the Miami DT. Can’t nit-pick it all... if you would have told me Barkley, Hernandez, Carter, Hill, Lauretta and McIntosh on Thursday morning I would have said “sign me up”. Good first draft by DG... going forward, biggest team needs in order... nickel CB, starting RT, 2nd/3rd WR, secondary and linebacker depth... not bad

I would have rather rolled the dice on a Tackle prospect.

I'd give it an A-

I thought Gettleman screwed up that 3rd round,the defensive tackle looks like he could have gone much later.

In comment 13943892 Sy'56 said:

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Get better in the trenches. It is a good approach

Attacking O, attacking D. All our picks, even the QB, attack.
We done good!

Barkley, Hernandez, Carter and Lauletta. McIntoch and Hill are very nice players.

I would love to have landed either Crosby or Jones but I guess our O Line is set for now.

B - if they don't plug the holes we still have.

UDFA is going to be huge here because there are some excellent ones out there

The difference between him and the vaunted 1st round squad is miniscule. Oh yeah and he's not a China doll or a giant ego, and doesn't have accuracy issues.

Honestly I put him right up there with those guys and he has none of their warts.

I love the consistency and commitment to that identity. Looking at what Shurmur did in Minnesota - they had a 3 down bell cow in Cook and relied on the power running game. They had a smart and accurate QB that could make the short and intermediate throws along the perimeter. So the Giants sink a huge resource in Barkley, effectively committing to an offense built around him. They grab the top run blocking G in Hernandez. At QB, they grab what can be looked at as a Keenum clone. If you're going to go bargain hunting at the position in a succession plan, that's the QB you want with the additions of Shurmur and Barkley. On defense, taking into account the offseason trades there, they make a commitment to bringing in the right players for Bettcher's system. 3 front 7 guys, all of them big and athletic that fit this system.

So while their approach to the Eli succession wasn't my first choice, I understand what they're doing and love that they're going all-in on this identity.

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I thought Gettleman screwed up that 3rd round,the defensive tackle looks like he could have gone much later.

55th overall player rating from Mayock so your wrong.

Would have rather seen a CB, FS, OT, C, WR, ILB, or even a Punter rather than another QB. You can get clipboard holders and camp arms as free agents.

All the other picks looked real solid to me. They filled needs with no reaches, no injury issues on the whole, no character issues, and no guys who didn't fit the apparent plans.

Too bad they didn't have a few more picks to work with.

We filled positions of need (RB, OG especially) and got quality value in every round.

If all five rounds are on the field regularly this year we'll be ecstatic. I'm hoping we get a few UDFA's who are quality as well. They are dirt cheap types and we need backups and special teamers.

Realizing The Eli Manning as a game manager era has begun, albeit two years too late.

Team still has a few holes.

RT, C, WR & CB look really questionable and team gambling on unknown players.

My way to early grade. Barkley is a win picking @ 2 no matter how you look at it. He makes us better immediately and he will make the transition process easier for whichever future Quarterback replaces Eli. Picture Tiki's prime production with Toomer's personality. I would have liked to have seen a more concerted effort made towards improving the offensive line in this draft. 3-1 defensive front to offensive front picks seems to be missing the point as to why this team has been sooooo bad over the past couple of years. The quarterback pick doesn't seem to have an NFL arm but at least he seems to show the potential to be exceptional at something at the pro level unlike Webb who appeared to be mediocre across the board with respect to an NFL level skill set.

The failure to secure future draft capital in lieu of drafting a quaterback at 2 was a mistake in my opinion. However those consequences are mitigated by the fact that Barkley is as much of a can't miss high level player as you can hope to find in a draft prospect. More specifically having that kind of guy in the backfield will dramatically improve the chances of early success as well as help to ease the development burden for whomever follows eli at the qb position.

In comment 13943899 Joey from GlenCove said:

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Just think the qb is somewhat of a head scratcher with only 6 picks. But I get the idea of the hedge

between FA up tp this point and the draft, DG walks away without leaving his balls hanging out except for WR and CB. expect between FA, June 1 cuts, final cuts and UDFA's he will shore up at least one of those 2 spots in decent fashion, and the other one will likely be passable. if at the end we have 1 position that's somewhat of a weakness, we are in better shape than most teams. No one fields a perfect flawless roster. The team will be good enough to compete.

In comment 13943892 Sy'56 said:

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Get better in the trenches. It is a good approach

Exactly! Nothing wrong with that.

In comment 13943853 ij_reilly said:

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Although I absolutely hate the 4th round QB selection. I hate it the same way I hated the Nassib and Flowers selections.

At least Eli is on the back 9. Way worse than Nassib. That was beyond stupid. But then since Reese’s picks beyond round 2 were mostly totally wasted it didn’t matter.

I don’t not love the pick either but it makes more sense this year. Web. Is hardly some sure bet. Better to kiss on a 4th than the 2nd overall

If they didn’t like the QBs fine. Then they should have traded down. The Barkley pick was poor. We’ll be lucky if he gets to his 2nd contract. The OG was great. After that, LBs QBs and DL instead of DBs, safeties or even WR. Look, I like that they have a plan and are going after it. I just don’t think it’s a great plan. The 3-4 is a 90’s defense even the Pats have abandoned. Spending a #2 pick on a RB is using a high value pick on a low value position. Not good decision making.

Best player in the draft. Best road grader in the draft. Carter, Hill, McIntosh added to FA defensive acquisitions. I trust that our new, innovative defensive coordinator is plenty excited about these guys. Lauletta will be great in the QB room, per Shumer. I don't spend one minute worrying about what we didn't get or who we passed up. I'm thrilled with the direction we are heading.

In comment 13944033 BillT said:

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If they didn’t like the QBs fine. Then they should have traded down. The Barkley pick was poor. We’ll be lucky if he gets to his 2nd contract. The OG was great. After that, LBs QBs and DL instead of DBs, safeties or even WR. Look, I like that they have a plan and are going after it. I just don’t think it’s a great plan. The 3-4 is a 90’s defense even the Pats have abandoned. Spending a #2 pick on a RB is using a high value pick on a low value position. Not good decision making.

I’m so mad we got the best player in the draft at a position of need!

In comment 13943986 JPinstripes said:

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55th overall player rating from Mayock so your wrong.

Now don't go confusing me for someone who cares about that

If Barkley is as good as nearly everyone thinks my god he’s going to flip the town upside down. I can’t wait.

You can cheat code your way to a title with guys like Beckham and Barkley. Not always, things have to go right, but it has happened before with the Cowboys, Rams and to a lesser extent, 2011 giants. I’d mention the 2007 pats but, lol.

Lauletta pick at first but the more I think about it, it makes sense to have a great QB culture in this locker room and if he or Webb turn out to be very good, it was worth it. Loved all the other selections. Hernandez, Hill, and McIntosh are some big fucking dudes. We need to establish the trenches and this went a long way towards that.

Aside from Barkley, Carter was my favorite pick. Guy is just all over the field

Admittedly not knowledgeable enough to assess whether we passed on potential franchise QB, but, Barkley could be a generational talent.

Needed to fix OLine - Hernandez, fits the bill and then some.

They brought over Martin & Moss is an unknown in new scheme - they needed some speedy pass rushers. Carter gives them that.

QB - wish he had a stronger arm, but many guys w/cannons don't make it. What is between the ears and heart is generally what makes NFL QBs as long as they are within NFL talent range.

Last pick - very disruptive. Very competitive against ND OLine.

I am assuming UDFA will feature cbs, OTs, & Wrs (although don't see that as much of a desperate need as some do).

Now let's see how staff is at solving human problems - Mr. Flowers.

I think in the 1st round the value of Barkley at 2 is not great. He may be a great player but we are paying him like he is already great. RB is a lower $$ value position. I like the player not the value. If it wasnt a QB they should have traded down but the QB needy teams knew we were not taking a QB it seems. The fans didnt want to believe that including me but the other teams knew and our trade down options were low once the Jets traded up.

Rounds 2-3 were great picks on paper

The QB at 4 is a head scratcher, we have Webb on the roster. Dont sell me we are a win now team and draft a dev QB at 4. We have to many holes to draft a QB if we are trying to win now. Maybe the value was there but need was not.

I like the 5th rounder.

I would give it a B+,Barkley has to be a top 5 RB out of the gate. We cant have him be just OK this season,he has to be a star from the getgo. We got better but we were a really bad team and our secondary is still a mess.

Where hope springs eternal. The weather is nice. The giants just drafted a kid that has unreal abilities that nearly every single team would kill for.

The 1998 rams were 4-12. They scored under 300 pts. They were an after thought. They add Torry Holt and Marshall Faulk and they turned into a collective legend literally overnight. They lost their starting qb and still destroyed the world.

We just added Barkley and get Beckham back. We have Shepard and Engram with another year of experience. We have a pro qb that can get the job done.

Why the hell not. Doesn’t hurt to dream a little.

“ Dave gettleman slayed this draft”

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see the Senior Bowl? If you Tivod it and still have it watch the 4th quarter. Most of the negatives I heard was he played against questionable competition. However, at the Senior Bowl that wasn't the case. Obviously, Shurmur was there and was impressed. A great choice in the 4th round IMHO.

Apparently it wasn't just at the game but un the prep week. A lot of scouts and coaches alsmost put more stock in that.

But I understand the rationale there. When Eli is done you have two solid options to replace him, obviously with Webb leading the way but with a talented hungry kid behind him competing for the start.

Barkley will be a joy on and off the field. Hernandez was a great pick. DG knows how to pick linemen. Looks like they have a plan to keep Eli for 2 years as these 2 young QB develop into either a future starter or backup. I like the win now approach.

in some years. Goods schematic picks. Cant wait until preseason kicks off now

In comment 13943892 Sy'56 said:

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Get better in the trenches. It is a good approach

Yup. They beefed up the lines. And all the extra help on the defensive front 7 should take pressure off the DBs, whoever they may be.

"Best Player Available" triumphantly returns! RIP Need Reach!

Best draft outcome I can remember...

1. Barkley: A
2. Hernandez: A
3. Carter: A
4. Hill: B+
5. Lauletta: B
6. McIntosh: A

Thank you David Gettleman!

Checked out the depth chart. We already have six - May go up to eight -
New starters - basically a third - and probably at least new 10/30 top players. We drafted the best player in the draft. Drafted the best run blocker in the draft. Acquired a top left tackle - our best LB IN YEARS!


Depth is still an issue on the wr offensive line and cornerback

A new coaching staff a new GM

That’s a banner few months

If Eli is protected and decent we are a .500 team - maybe better
Depending on QB SITUATION FOR 2019 we could be in the thick of it all

Sy's evaluation make me a bit nervous about Hernandez -- it's clear we have one with potentially very very high ceiling (Barkley) and another that could be high (Carter).

If indeed we could have had the Browns two second round picks I would have made that pick and gone OL or DL in 1 and RB and DB and OL or DL depending on who we took in 1. (The players should be obvious).

I like the guys they picked but you have to remember they are picking #2. They should get good picks.

DG basically took who everybody said he was going to take in rounds 1 and 2. So he was predictable, which does not mean bad. But it's hard to credit him with genius when most sports writers had the same two guys as Giants targets.

The later rounds seemed good, except for the QB. Just throwing a pick away when you already have Webb as the backup.

Defenses will have to cover both OBJ and Barkley. "Take it to the house weapons from any place on the field ". Opens everything else up . Big time upgrade to hard guys on the DL and OL . Good job by DG and his staff and we will get better in FA I predict.

I haven't thought-WTF were they thinking? Thanks Dave Gettleman!

gives us something to watch right now, and hope for the future.

I like all the pics. I wanted them to draft Rosen or Mayfield I think both of them are going to be franchise quarterbacks. However I believe they did what is necessary to make Eli's last year's under contract successful. I do have hope for Webb but I like the QB we took in the fourth to provide competition I think it's perfect. I like the DL pics Carter has a chance to be better than Floyd. Hernandez is just a the Beast and Berkeley is going to be a joy to watch for a decade the kid has character he's an absolute freak of a physical specimen and the moves oh my God the moves he is going to be a dynamic playmaker. Eli needs to perform by the by if he isn't I think after the bye we try Webb. Sorry for wall of text very hard to edit from my phone

Short Term: B- (if this was the play, they should have traded back)
Long Term: F

Gettlemens comments from hand of god to analytics bashing were jaw dropping stupid.

I hope to god I’m wrong. Happy to admit if I’m wrong. But I fear we are heading into a dark decade for a wildcard this year.

Best value picks were Hernandez and Carter. I'll call them "no-brainers". Fit need. Best Available. Scheme fits.

Hill and McIntosh are 1 gappers. 5's and 4i's. Hill can play the 1 on passing downs. Again good scheme fits.

Lauletta is a Shurmur QB. Quick release, accurate, throws with anticipation. Fits the west coast O.

Only coming away with one offensive lineman was not good. This OL needs an influx of talent.

50 guys listing the highest ranked guys not drafted per their draft magazines and web sites.

and took a RB rather than either taking a QB or auctioning off the pick. Granted, I have no idea what the Giants could have received in trade for that pick, but given what other teams scored for trading down, we should have done alright.

Saquon Barkley will either have to be a HoF caliber RB for years to come or all of those QBs (Darnold, Rosen, Jackson) will have to underperform for this to be a good draft. It's not impossible, but I'm thinking all of those things happening is unlikely.

Instead, we'll field a team with Eli on his last legs, still in transition, with holes on the OL and at CB, and hope they can compete with the last couple of years of Eli's career in the balance.

Without the strategic misfire, I liked most of the rest of the picks, save for Lauletta. This regime didn't pick Davis Webb so I can't fault them for not seeing him as the future, but now we've got 3 QBs, two of them later picks when the success rate on those is close to zero. It's akin to buying a lottery ticket as your backup plan to Eli, and then deciding you haven't done enough so you buy a second lotto ticket.

Hope I'm wrong. If Barkley does turn out to be a bust, or Chubb (the DE) turns out to be the goods, or one of the QBs does - then we'll have set the franchise back a good bit because of this draft.

Frank Gifford, again.

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In comment 13944185 Peppers said:

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Best value picks were Hernandez and Carter. I'll call them "no-brainers". Fit need. Best Available. Scheme fits. Hill and McIntosh are 1 gappers. 5's and 4i's. Hill can play the 1 on passing downs. Again good scheme fits. Lauletta is a Shurmur QB. Quick release, accurate, throws with anticipation. Fits the west coast O. Only coming away with one offensive lineman was not good. This OL needs an influx of talent.

Not enough picks and it wasn't like we overdrafted anybody that we can say that trading down would have netted more

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The difference between him and the vaunted 1st round squad is miniscule. Oh yeah and he's not a China doll or a giant ego, and doesn't have accuracy issues. Honestly I put him right up there with those guys and he has none of their warts.

Agreed.

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"Best Player Available" triumphantly returns! RIP Need Reach! Best draft outcome I can remember... 1. Barkley: A 2. Hernandez: A 3. Carter: A 4. Hill: B+ 5. Lauletta: B 6. McIntosh: A Thank you David Gettleman!

+100%

i takes for me 3-5 years. if i'm still around then i'll be happy to opine.

In comment 13944281 plato said:

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i takes for me 3-5 years. if i'm still around then i'll be happy to opine.

I totally agree with you

I'm not going all gaga until I see these guy play a couple of years

Tactically I really have a problem with a RB at #2 in the draft.......especially for a team with a depleated aged QB starter and an unknown quality behind him.

One of the chosen 4 QBs would have given us more security at the most important position. Not saying Webb wont be great but I'd have picked up some insurance....you could always trade one of them

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Actually. W/ the exception of Lauletta I loved every pick, and we are starting to finally see the end of basketball on grass. It's going back to wrecking ball time.

In what sense? It seems like they're following the same blueprint of Shurmur's offense in Minnesota, and that was no 1990s cloud of dust NFL offense.

In comment 13943979 Tim in VA said:

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The difference between him and the vaunted 1st round squad is miniscule. Oh yeah and he's not a China doll or a giant ego, and doesn't have accuracy issues. Honestly I put him right up there with those guys and he has none of their warts.

I don't think we hate Lauletta. We just hate the pick. A CB would have been better even if he is a little raw.

Maybe, but I continue to contend that with the squad of offensive stars they have at RB, WR and TE, some young FA OLs seeking to make their bones are going to consider the Giants very seriously.

DB is trickier, but if that is the man squad that is short players coming out of the draft, they will get a FA or two.

B+

anyone banging the drum for a tackle in the 4th round is really arguing that they should have forced a pick to fill a need with a player that likely isn't going to have any impact on that need in year 1 anyway.

In comment 13944224 jcn56 said:

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and took a RB rather than either taking a QB or auctioning off the pick. Granted, I have no idea what the Giants could have received in trade for that pick, but given what other teams scored for trading down, we should have done alright. Saquon Barkley will either have to be a HoF caliber RB for years to come or all of those QBs (Darnold, Rosen, Jackson) will have to underperform for this to be a good draft. It's not impossible, but I'm thinking all of those things happening is unlikely. Instead, we'll field a team with Eli on his last legs, still in transition, with holes on the OL and at CB, and hope they can compete with the last couple of years of Eli's career in the balance. Without the strategic misfire, I liked most of the rest of the picks, save for Lauletta. This regime didn't pick Davis Webb so I can't fault them for not seeing him as the future, but now we've got 3 QBs, two of them later picks when the success rate on those is close to zero. It's akin to buying a lottery ticket as your backup plan to Eli, and then deciding you haven't done enough so you buy a second lotto ticket. Hope I'm wrong. If Barkley does turn out to be a bust, or Chubb (the DE) turns out to be the goods, or one of the QBs does - then we'll have set the franchise back a good bit because of this draft.

The draft itself is one large gamble. Tom Brady is a 6th round pick. Russel Wilson is a 3rd round pick. Antonio Brown is a late round pick. Odell wasn't on many people's radar and shocked people when we took him 12th over all. Any of the negatives you listed could happen. We also may have two Tom Brady's sitting behind Eli. I don't think there was any fuck up at all. Chances are, the best player in this draft wasn't even taken in the first round.

I'm happy we addressed positions of need with what appears to be immense talent. The only trade I heard that we should have seriously considered was the Saints offering this years first as well as 2019 plus Kamara for the second overall pick. To me that was worth it being that Kamara is a proven commodity at RB and we would have gotten another 1st next year. But if everything they say about Barkley is true and pans out then I'm fine with taking him second overall.

In the end I'm not losing any sleep over this draft. I'm actually very happy with the whole draft. Hope it pans out.

Otherwise, it would be a grade A draft.

Sometimes it seems as if the Giants don’t even have a strength coach, and a nutrition coach. Last I heard was, if you have an arm that is weak, you lift some weights and your arm becomes stronger, according to some of the history books anyway.

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Would have rather seen a CB, FS, OT, C, WR, ILB, or even a Punter rather than another QB. You can get clipboard holders and camp arms as free agents. All the other picks looked real solid to me. They filled needs with no reaches, no injury issues on the whole, no character issues, and no guys who didn't fit the apparent plans. Too bad they didn't have a few more picks to work with.

Lauletta is neither a camp arm nor a clipboard holder. He's a double-down on the lottery ticket approach to the mid-round QB prospect solution as a succession plan.

It's prudent to not have all our eggs in one basket when the next few QB classes are questionable and the likelihood of us being in position for a top prospect without mortgaging against future drafts is doubtful.

We have drafted a lot of guys who seemed like a good pick on draft day and ended up playing like shit. So, we leave the draft today with cautious optimism. That's about it..

In comment 13944224 jcn56 said:

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and took a RB rather than either taking a QB or auctioning off the pick. Granted, I have no idea what the Giants could have received in trade for that pick, but given what other teams scored for trading down, we should have done alright. Saquon Barkley will either have to be a HoF caliber RB for years to come or all of those QBs (Darnold, Rosen, Jackson) will have to underperform for this to be a good draft. It's not impossible, but I'm thinking all of those things happening is unlikely. Instead, we'll field a team with Eli on his last legs, still in transition, with holes on the OL and at CB, and hope they can compete with the last couple of years of Eli's career in the balance. Without the strategic misfire, I liked most of the rest of the picks, save for Lauletta. This regime didn't pick Davis Webb so I can't fault them for not seeing him as the future, but now we've got 3 QBs, two of them later picks when the success rate on those is close to zero. It's akin to buying a lottery ticket as your backup plan to Eli, and then deciding you haven't done enough so you buy a second lotto ticket. Hope I'm wrong. If Barkley does turn out to be a bust, or Chubb (the DE) turns out to be the goods, or one of the QBs does - then we'll have set the franchise back a good bit because of this draft.

Set the franchise back a good bit? Yeah, it’s possible, but they clearly didn’t feel any of these picks were worthy at #2. Taking one of them and being wrong would have the franchise back more. Time will tell.

In comment 13944299 BluesCruise said:

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In comment 13944281 plato said: Quote: i takes for me 3-5 years. if i'm still around then i'll be happy to opine. I totally agree with you I'm not going all gaga until I see these guy play a couple of years Tactically I really have a problem with a RB at #2 in the draft.......especially for a team with a depleated aged QB starter and an unknown quality behind him. One of the chosen 4 QBs would have given us more security at the most important position. Not saying Webb wont be great but I'd have picked up some insurance....you could always trade one of them

Pittsburgh did the same in reverse with Dobbs then Rudolph. I still have my issues because I don’t think we had the luxury either in terms of excess picks or few immediate holes that justify standing pat and drafting Lauletta.

Now turning to what someone else posted, it is easy to say BPA returns when we have needs at just about every position.

I think in terms of talent I give an A-, but may need to knock down a notch because I question whether we maximized the value of the limited picks we had. Even adding extra 6’s and 7”s there were plenty of names that were drafted in that range or UDFA’s signing elsewhere that could have contributed for the Giants

I'm sure Gettleman and crew did the best they could.

I doubt there was the Alpha Male antics that probably ruined most of the Reese/Coughlin drafts

You could see Coughlin seething when they showed the draft room in process those years....those two were never on the same page

Im sure Tom wanted Carte Blanche like he has in JAX where to be honest he shone last year.

So we now have all our choir singing from the same hymnal and lets see how it turns out

You still have free agents, UDFA, Camp Cuts...putting in a whole new offense and defense.

I'm not expecting a trophy this year but you never know do you....who expected the 2 we won recently....no one was picking the Giants those years.

The team that scares me is the LA Chargers...well them and Philly- GO GIANTS

the biggest mistake of the draft was not re-signing Tuck...Boy did he look ready to play.

In comment 13944224 jcn56 said:

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and took a RB rather than either taking a QB or auctioning off the pick. Granted, I have no idea what the Giants could have received in trade for that pick, but given what other teams scored for trading down, we should have done alright. Saquon Barkley will either have to be a HoF caliber RB for years to come or all of those QBs (Darnold, Rosen, Jackson) will have to underperform for this to be a good draft. It's not impossible, but I'm thinking all of those things happening is unlikely. Instead, we'll field a team with Eli on his last legs, still in transition, with holes on the OL and at CB, and hope they can compete with the last couple of years of Eli's career in the balance. Without the strategic misfire, I liked most of the rest of the picks, save for Lauletta. This regime didn't pick Davis Webb so I can't fault them for not seeing him as the future, but now we've got 3 QBs, two of them later picks when the success rate on those is close to zero. It's akin to buying a lottery ticket as your backup plan to Eli, and then deciding you haven't done enough so you buy a second lotto ticket. Hope I'm wrong. If Barkley does turn out to be a bust, or Chubb (the DE) turns out to be the goods, or one of the QBs does - then we'll have set the franchise back a good bit because of this draft.

We should have done alright? Tampa might as well have grabbed their own ankles for what Buffalo gave them.

In comment 13944558 BluesCruise said:

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I'm sure Gettleman and crew did the best they could. I doubt there was the Alpha Male antics that probably ruined most of the Reese/Coughlin drafts You could see Coughlin seething when they showed the draft room in process those years....those two were never on the same page Im sure Tom wanted Carte Blanche like he has in JAX where to be honest he shone last year. So we now have all our choir singing from the same hymnal and lets see how it turns out You still have free agents, UDFA, Camp Cuts...putting in a whole new offense and defense. I'm not expecting a trophy this year but you never know do you....who expected the 2 we won recently....no one was picking the Giants those years. The team that scares me is the LA Chargers...well them and Philly- GO GIANTS the biggest mistake of the draft was not re-signing Tuck...Boy did he look ready to play.

Peace.

In comment 13944281 plato said:

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i takes for me 3-5 years. if i'm still around then i'll be happy to opine.

3-5 years? Maybe 20 years ago, not now. Look at NO’s 17 draft class.

One guy isn't going to make this a good line. Keep in mind we're currently starting the backups from last year at two positions. Three if you count Halapio. Great that Hernandez and Omameh can probably nail down the guard spots but Jones and Wheeler should not be virtually uncontested starters.

In comment 13944037 KingBlue said:

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Best player in the draft. Best road grader in the draft. Carter, Hill, McIntosh added to FA defensive acquisitions. I trust that our new, innovative defensive coordinator is plenty excited about these guys. Lauletta will be great in the QB room, per Shumer. I don't spend one minute worrying about what we didn't get or who we passed up. I'm thrilled with the direction we are heading.

You are the only one then who believes that. Sometimes couch potatoes should stick to things they know, and running backs is not one you know

I’ve always considered this a 2 year rebuild, so I don’t consider it a failure if we didn’t hit every need.

Questioning RB vs QB at 2 is fair from the long term value perspective, but I love the Saquon pick. Call me a blind homer, but I really think he’s an outlier that’s worth it

Home runs with Hernandez and Carter.

I was hoping for a stud CB somewhere, but glad we didn’t reach for one

Gettleman said what his plan was beforehand and stuck to his convictions. No head scratching reaches. Even the QB, while can be questioned why we picked one, wasn’t a reach in value

I wanted a trade down off the top. We didn't (and I guess the offers weren't that compelling), but I was hoping for trade down and then draft Lauletta in the 2nd!

I wasn't in love with any of the top ranked QB's in this draft. Twist my arm I would have chosen Rosen.

I like Barkley but I'm in the "this is a deep RB class why burn the 2nd overall pick on one? " camp. I also don't like paying an RB what SB is going to get. The way the kid runs is not going to be sustainable after he turns 25. That explosion doesn't last.

The rest of the picks they made all look like solid value/need. We still have a lot of needs which is why I wanted the trade.

All the picks could be players. That's good. I would have found more picks and tried to find more players. That's my big beef. But once that decision was made I think we did all right.

but it's much easier having a great draft picking 2nd than 15th or 32nd.

Because the chances of Barkley being Barry Sanders-like and one of the 3 QB’s they could have had not being a franchise guy aren’t great.

The picks themselves outside of the QB were great, I just think it’s a huge gamble.

Picking the ideal players.

Granted, the only one I have first hand knowledge is with Barkley. I know he is special. I have never seen UTEP actually play but that man/child looks impressive. That LB also looks like an athletic beast.I like hearing a Linvle Joseph clone. Who am I to argue about the choice our HC, the QB whisperer wants as QB....and love the cluster drafting of DT.....

Does not fill ever hole.... hopefully the udfa can add solid depth to corners, safeties and wrs. I actually expect a gem OL from DG track record.

How can you not like it!

In comment 13944151 TheMick7 said:

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I haven't thought-WTF were they thinking? Thanks Dave Gettleman!

Lolz! Actually this is a great point! Great post

In comment 13944631 widmerseyebrow said:

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One guy isn't going to make this a good line. Keep in mind we're currently starting the backups from last year at two positions. Three if you count Halapio. Great that Hernandez and Omameh can probably nail down the guard spots but Jones and Wheeler should not be virtually uncontested starters.

Wheeler isn’t virtually uncontested. Wheeler, Bisnowaty, and Flowers are going to compete for one position. You’ve got to give Wheeler and Bisnowaty a chance to see how they have improved or else why draft players if you’re going to quit on them in one year.

In comment 13944522 Sean said:

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Set the franchise back a good bit? Yeah, it’s possible, but they clearly didn’t feel any of these picks were worthy at #2. Taking one of them and being wrong would have the franchise back more. Time will tell.

Unless said QB completely flamed out, I don't think so. The only way it's a catastrophe is if they take the QB and their floor is so low that they are looking for another QB inside of 3 years.

Here, if Barkley turns out to be anything less than spectacular, you've sunk not your best opportunity to get a franchise QB in some time, along with a mountain of resources at RB (Barkley would be making tons more money compared to a later pick).

I agree with you that the jury's not out yet. But in 5 years, if Barkley turns out like Reggie Bush, and one of those QBs turns out to be anywhere near elite level, Gettleman will look like an idiot, plain and simple.

In comment 13944106 the mike said:

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"Best Player Available" triumphantly returns! RIP Need Reach! Best draft outcome I can remember... 1. Barkley: A 2. Hernandez: A 3. Carter: A 4. Hill: B+ 5. Lauletta: B 6. McIntosh: A Thank you David Gettleman!

no disrespect but how the hell isnt barkley A+??! he is the best player in the draft and we got him second without giving up picks or assets.
I agree on other grades

they would have drafted if they had been drafting #1 in this draft. I don’t know how it will turn out, but you can’t ask for more than that.

Somebody said it was a great job of marrying BPA with need... That made me LOL!

I look at this roster and think, gee that wasn't tough marrying need with BPA. Arguably, We have needs at every position except TE!

Seems we got good value from rounds 2 - 5. At least according to all the draft guides and talking heads. We certainly got bigger and meaner, so that's good. Gotta see them on the field to really judge though.

I don't have any issue with the Lauletta pick. I agree with GatoradeDunk, its doubling down on the QB Lotto approach... We now lead the league in high character developmental backup QBs... MY question there is, how do you develop both with the limited practice time? It not like RGIII and Kirk Cousins... One of them was starting.

The team still has lots of holes, and I think will struggle this year. However, no matter what happened in this draft, I think that was going to be the case. We will have to see what year 2 of this regime brings. Its going to take a lot of luck for this team to be truly competitive even 2019. First and foremost, Solder has to hold up, OL in their 30s can fall off a cliff. Omameh needs to improve, either Flowers or Wheeler need to become a legitimate NFL RT, Hernandez needs to pan out. With a ton of individual improvement across the OL, this team is going to struggle.

We got a needed ER, lets see if he pans out. We still don't have a clear ER from a down lineman. But we seem to have built up a rotation which was needed. Bettcher is going to have to be very creative to get pressure on the QB with these guys. From a pass rush perspective, we don't have many guys who have shown much there, and no dominant guy. We need Carter to become an effective 3rd down rushing specialist, and we need the DL picks to be able to take snaps without the defense falling off a cliff.

We have no slot corner. We may play Gay there, but, I don't have high expectations. Apple HAS to improve and pan out.

Even if a lot of luck comes our way, we will still have more holes than picks next year.

I am praying we get a ton of luck!!! I root for the Giants no matter what. I don't share the heavy doses of optimism that many here have. I think we will improve in 2018, but not ready for prime time yet. Hoping things really turn around by 2019. I would love to get the "old man" one more ring.

when a very large proportion of the professional draftniks viewed him as the best player in the draft, and some had him there by a very wide margin. And, of course, he is already showing himself to be a really classy kid and likely leader. How can anyone here measure him to be overvalued?

All of the draft pros who really, really loved him are just flat-out wrong?

Based upon what evidence?

RD 1 Barkley B+. (Should have taken Rosen)

Rd 2 Hernandez B. (Great run blocker but not much pass protector. Not ideal for Eli.)

Rd 3 Carter C+ (A good LB prospect but a bit one dimensional just as a blitzer.)

Rd 3 Hill C+ (A physical specimen. Probably limited upside but athletic and strong enough to play physical and be a starter.).

Rd 4 Lauletta C (Limitations. But has teammates who could enhance his performance.).

Rd 5 McIntosh C+ (Not as much of a physical specimen but athletic enough. Probably limited upside but athletic and strong enough to play physical and possibly be a starter.).

In comment 13944801 manh george said:

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when a very large proportion of the professional draftniks viewed him as the best player in the draft, and some had him there by a very wide margin. And, of course, he is already showing himself to be a really classy kid and likely leader. How can anyone here measure him to be overvalued? All of the draft pros who really, really loved him are just flat-out wrong? Based upon what evidence?

I don't doubt the kid or the talent.

But he is being paid as one of the very best at his position and he hasn't stepped on the field. He has to produce at like a first team All Pro, every year for the Giants to break even on the contract.

Even then, there are other reasons to think that elite RBs don't produce enough value to justify using resources on them, but that is a discussion that has already been had here. I don't want to get into it again.

Have done without noodle arm Lauletta in the 4th. This team has to many holes to be messing around with QB project with the 4th round pick. But other then that I was happy with the draft

In comment 13944808 giantstock said:

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RD 1 Barkley B+. (Should have taken Rosen) Rd 2 Hernandez B. (Great run blocker but not much pass protector. Not ideal for Eli.) Rd 3 Carter C+ (A good LB prospect but a bit one dimensional just as a blitzer.) Rd 3 Hill C+ (A physical specimen. Probably limited upside but athletic and strong enough to play physical and be a starter.). Rd 4 Lauletta C (Limitations. But has teammates who could enhance his performance.). Rd 5 McIntosh C+ (Not as much of a physical specimen but athletic enough. Probably limited upside but athletic and strong enough to play physical and possibly be a starter.).

easily the most INACCURATE grading of this draft ive seen. congrats on winning the pessimistic award of the year, report to dallascowboys.com/forums to claim your prize

If they guessed wrong on the future of Eli and-or the prospects of Webb/Lauletta. Chances are a couple of the 4 QBs drafted in the top 10 will become franchise QBs. And we passed up the one who was on top of most peoples boards in Sam Darnold.

With that said, if Eli does in fact have a few years left and Saquon is all that many believe he is , the next few years will likely be very, very exciting!

I take Griffin in round 5 not McIntosh. This kid has proved it on all levels including combine and senior bowl. He would have been a great fit in the 3-4.

I am happy. 2 DT, 1 guard,1 LB, Barkley and a QB who they like. I want to trust the guys that make the picks and although I am concerned about
the defensive backs on the roster, this draft looks good at first glance.

In comment 13944299 BluesCruise said:

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In comment 13944281 plato said: Quote: i takes for me 3-5 years. if i'm still around then i'll be happy to opine. I totally agree with you I'm not going all gaga until I see these guy play a couple of years Tactically I really have a problem with a RB at #2 in the draft.......especially for a team with a depleated aged QB starter and an unknown quality behind him. One of the chosen 4 QBs would have given us more security at the most important position. Not saying Webb wont be great but I'd have picked up some insurance....you could always trade one of them

Cmon guys, he did not think any of the top qbs were good enough for the #2!! You do not take players just bc of a position if you do not think they are good enough for the pick esp in the top 5

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"Best Player Available" triumphantly returns! RIP Need Reach! Best draft outcome I can remember... 1. Barkley: A 2. Hernandez: A 3. Carter: A 4. Hill: B+ 5. Lauletta: B 6. McIntosh: A Thank you David Gettleman!

Can't tell...is this a NYG website?

In comment 13944228 oldog said:

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Frank Gifford, again.

Frank Gifford was no world class RB. He was a guy who ran ok and caught passes well

Look at some of our high draft RBs-

David Wilson
Dayne for no Gain
Butch Willfolk
Rocky Thompson

we stink at picking RBs in the first 2 rounds- Only Tiki has ever panned out for us and he took a while to come into his own and stop fumbling.

I'm stumped as to why we would not re-sign Orleans Darkwa who was averaging 6 YPC for a good portion of the year behind a very inadequate O line...he ended up with 776 yds on 4.4 YPC

Instead, Dave grabs an old warhorse he knows in 33 yr old Stewart who avg 3.4 YPC last year.

I think Darkwa, Barkley and Gallman would have made an awesome RB rotation. Also incredibly they kept Perkins who was horrific last season. He had a few good runs in meaningless games at the end of the season when defensive effort was poor from disinterested opponents.

Ever hear of Rodney Hampton...

who are you?

In comment 13944938 BluesCruise said:

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In comment 13944228 oldog said: Quote: Frank Gifford, again. Frank Gifford was no world class RB. He was a guy who ran ok and caught passes well Look at some of our high draft RBs- David Wilson Dayne for no Gain Butch Willfolk Rocky Thompson we stink at picking RBs in the first 2 rounds- Only Tiki has ever panned out for us and he took a while to come into his own and stop fumbling. I'm stumped as to why we would not re-sign Orleans Darkwa who was averaging 6 YPC for a good portion of the year behind a very inadequate O line...he ended up with 776 yds on 4.4 YPC Instead, Dave grabs an old warhorse he knows in 33 yr old Stewart who avg 3.4 YPC last year. I think Darkwa, Barkley and Gallman would have made an awesome RB rotation. Also incredibly they kept Perkins who was horrific last season. He had a few good runs in meaningless games at the end of the season when defensive effort was poor from disinterested opponents.

Stewart is a "player / coach" and I don't see him on the final 53 man roster. He's here to help with the offense, IMHO.

In comment 13944946 SGMen said:

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In comment 13944938 BluesCruise said: Quote: In comment 13944228 oldog said: Quote: Frank Gifford, again. Frank Gifford was no world class RB. He was a guy who ran ok and caught passes well Look at some of our high draft RBs- David Wilson Dayne for no Gain Butch Willfolk Rocky Thompson we stink at picking RBs in the first 2 rounds- Only Tiki has ever panned out for us and he took a while to come into his own and stop fumbling. I'm stumped as to why we would not re-sign Orleans Darkwa who was averaging 6 YPC for a good portion of the year behind a very inadequate O line...he ended up with 776 yds on 4.4 YPC Instead, Dave grabs an old warhorse he knows in 33 yr old Stewart who avg 3.4 YPC last year. I think Darkwa, Barkley and Gallman would have made an awesome RB rotation. Also incredibly they kept Perkins who was horrific last season. He had a few good runs in meaningless games at the end of the season when defensive effort was poor from disinterested opponents. Stewart is a "player / coach" and I don't see him on the final 53 man roster. He's here to help with the offense, IMHO.

I think he might make the roster as a guy who can punch it in around the goal line. But Darkwa could do that also

But reading the comments on this thread, taking note of who was saying what, leads me to believe that the Giants had an excellent draft.

very solid draft. There were not 4 great QBs coming out this year but everyone had them bunched together. To me that means they were all mediocre and if you get the chance to draft a man that you believe will be in the hall of fame one day you take him instead of mediocrity . Barkley was the right pick.

In comment 13944955 BluesCruise said:

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In comment 13944946 SGMen said: Quote: In comment 13944938 BluesCruise said: Quote: In comment 13944228 oldog said: Quote: Frank Gifford, again. Frank Gifford was no world class RB. He was a guy who ran ok and caught passes well Look at some of our high draft RBs- David Wilson Dayne for no Gain Butch Willfolk Rocky Thompson we stink at picking RBs in the first 2 rounds- Only Tiki has ever panned out for us and he took a while to come into his own and stop fumbling. I'm stumped as to why we would not re-sign Orleans Darkwa who was averaging 6 YPC for a good portion of the year behind a very inadequate O line...he ended up with 776 yds on 4.4 YPC Instead, Dave grabs an old warhorse he knows in 33 yr old Stewart who avg 3.4 YPC last year. I think Darkwa, Barkley and Gallman would have made an awesome RB rotation. Also incredibly they kept Perkins who was horrific last season. He had a few good runs in meaningless games at the end of the season when defensive effort was poor from disinterested opponents. Stewart is a "player / coach" and I don't see him on the final 53 man roster. He's here to help with the offense, IMHO. I think he might make the roster as a guy who can punch it in around the goal line. But Darkwa could do that also

I wonder how much special teams production Stewart can provide at age 33? He may be a goal line ball carrier; however, I see Barkley getting those carries as he is 233 pounds and can bounce inside or out in a split second. Stewart is pretty much straight ahead at this point and therefore a bit limited.

The Giants did fabulous, they get a QB to develop, and now we have two, both high character kids, we get an all world weapon for Eli, we get the left guard we needed, we add three pieces to our front on defense, mean, big and athletic pieces. We had 6 picks, every pick makes sense, what is there to knock?

He has to have Emmett's or Walter's or LT's durability to make it a wise pick. I also discount his ability to be a big factor in the passing game as the worst part of Eli's game is the swing pass and his next properly executed screen pass will be his first in several years. But short term if we can run effectively we're a much better offense. love the Hernandez pick. If Charmer can develop Case Keenum Lauretta should be a no brainer. I won't pretend I study the draft enough to comment intelligently on the rest of the picks but I love emphasis on D linemen who are 3-4 players.

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The Giants did fabulous, they get a QB to develop, and now we have two, both high character kids, we get an all world weapon for Eli, we get the left guard we needed, we add three pieces to our front on defense, mean, big and athletic pieces. We had 6 picks, every pick makes sense, what is there to knock?

When you and I start agreeing on things, that tells me the stars are aligned and the Giants are headed in the right direction.

I like it, but then again I’ve liked some of the things the old regime did which didn’t work out. Let’s get them in the building and see what we got.

In comment 13944772 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 13944106 the mike said: Quote: "Best Player Available" triumphantly returns! RIP Need Reach! Best draft outcome I can remember... 1. Barkley: A 2. Hernandez: A 3. Carter: A 4. Hill: B+ 5. Lauletta: B 6. McIntosh: A Thank you David Gettleman! no disrespect but how the hell isnt barkley A+??! he is the best player in the draft and we got him second without giving up picks or assets. I agree on other grades

No disrespect taken - my highest grade is an A... but I will accept your comment as a very appropriate asterisk to my grade on Barkley!

In comment 13944936 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 13944106 the mike said: Quote: "Best Player Available" triumphantly returns! RIP Need Reach! Best draft outcome I can remember... 1. Barkley: A 2. Hernandez: A 3. Carter: A 4. Hill: B+ 5. Lauletta: B 6. McIntosh: A Thank you David Gettleman! Can't tell...is this a NYG website?

Could be, or it could be one of these sites:

Sports Illustrated (A)
NFL.com (A-)
USA Today (A+)
Sporting News (A)
Walter Football (A)
CBS Sportsline (A-)

Barkely (makes o line better. Makes wrs better)
Hernandez (makes Manning and RBs better)
Carter (move to ILB and starts? Ergo makes ogletree and dbs better)
Hill (makes snacks and Tomlinson more rotational ergo makes your lbs better)
McIntosh (makes the bigs more useful and more rotational adds variability to dl method)
Lauletta (solves next year's draft puzzle)

is not a good value. Was taking LT at #2 a good value? The sole question is whether Barkley is as talented as many people think he is. If he is, then that is a great value, if he isn't then obviously it was a bad decision.

He appears to be a game-changing player to me. That is a player who makes everyone around him better. As a Giant fan, I certainly hope that is true. It is pretty clear that the GM and the coach think that is the case.

I think this was a great draft for the Giants. Time will tell.

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is not a good value. Was taking LT at #2 a good value? The sole question is whether Barkley is as talented as many people think he is. If he is, then that is a great value, if he isn't then obviously it was a bad decision. He appears to be a game-changing player to me. That is a player who makes everyone around him better. As a Giant fan, I certainly hope that is true. It is pretty clear that the GM and the coach think that is the case. I think this was a great draft for the Giants. Time will tell.

It is not just about Barkley. He also needs to be substantially better than Darnold, Rosen, and Allen if Webb or Lauletta can’t be a worthy successor to Eli

First thoughts are positive, but ask me again in 3 years.

this may be the strongest draft I have seen the Giants with in recent memory.

I am a little nervous on taking an RB so high because of the beating the position takes...but when you consider they have scored 12 rushing TDs in two seasons...I'll take it.

They got good value in every round, and focused on the trenches for a good chunk of the draft. Couple that with the moves along the offensive line...and I'm a happy Giants fan.

is all the people who say you can't take a RB at #2. What do you do. Wait till round 3 or 4 when you know we need to address the OL and DL. From all the clips I've seen of Barkley he's a great talent. For someone who is 230lbs he's quick, makes great cuts, has great hands and can pick up the blitz. What's not to like.

I see the Giants sticking him in the slot on occasions and matching him up against LBs. That's a total miss match.

they took what was there for them in terms of value and each player's personality seemingly will add to the culture they are looking to build. Bob McGinn is as plugged in as anyone and he had all of our picks in his top 100. Barkley was his top RB. Hernandez was his third-ranked guard, pegged as a 1st or 2nd. Carter was his 6th best edge rusher pegged for round 2. Mcintosh was his 7th ranked DT, pegged for round 2 or 3, actually 1 spot ahead of BJ Hill who was also pegged for round 2 or 3. And lastly, Lauletta was pegged as a 4th round pick.

Barkley obviously has extremely high potential, but beyond his talents, I think what's taken for granted with him is that he fills multiple roles with 1 roster spot being a 3 down running back. Forgetting his position, he has the potential to be someone teams need to gameplan to stop every play. You can never have enough players like that and there are only so many. Already having 1 of those guys in OBJ shouldn't mean we take that fact for granted.

The rest were lunch bucket picks. On the OL Hernandez is the most exciting pick since Snee. 3 tough front seven players with diverse skillsets are exactly what the doctor ordered. BJ Hill is very reminiscent of the Tomlinson pick last year and I think he will make a similar impact year 1. Carter should be a good role player from day 1. Same with Mcintosh as an interior pass rusher. I watched almost every game he played in college and his first step and ability to get skinny is legit. If he had stayed in college 1 more year he would have been a 2nd round pick.

Who knows with the QB, but having 2 developmental prospects is better than 1 and I trust Shurmur evaluating QB's more than anyone we've had here in decades. A lot of different analysts seem to like that pick, watching the young guys battle in camp for #2 should be one of the more interesting storylines to follow.

There are certainly more holes to fill before training camp, but it's hard to not be excited about the haul they came away with this weekend.

I wanted Rosen so there’s that. If Barkley is half as good as the ridiculous amount of hype bestowed upon him then we should have our running game in order for a few seasons and that will help Eli who the Giants seem to think has a lot of football left in him. Time will tell.

I don't dislike any of the picks and it is easy to see the rationale in trying to make the team better. That said, I am optimistic. It has also challenged my preconceptions on team building and value. Thee is no "one size fits all" approach to value in the context of such a team game.

ground game again. Long overdue!!!

People will look for the one qb who does pan out here over the next five years, be it rosen or darnold or Jackson and bitch and moan every time that guy plays well. But here’s the thing, we don’t know if that was the qb the giants would have taken.

The Giants very well may have taken the wrong qb and you can bet your ass there is a wrong qb in this year’s class. Even the right one might not be great.

Don’t look at this as the giants taking Barkley instead of the right qb. You will make yourself nuts.

In comment 13944691 giantsFC said:

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Because the chances of Barkley being Barry Sanders-like and one of the 3 QB’s they could have had not being a franchise guy aren’t great. The picks themselves outside of the QB were great, I just think it’s a huge gamble.

Those chances aren’t great? The giants disagree and frankly I think your making a huge leap and I would have been fine with a qb. Define franchise qb? In my view the term franchise qb gets thrown around too loosely at draft time.

Odds are 2 will be good or great and 2-3 will be not so good or great. There’s risk in everything.

I said it two months ago it’s just as bad to draft the wrong qb as it is to pass on the right qb especially in this case when you have a layup sitting there at 2. We didn’t just draft Kevin hardy or Eric turner at 2– both terrific players but not transcendent talents like Barkley.

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He has to have Emmett's or Walter's or LT's durability to make it a wise pick.

What does Lawrence Taylor have to do with RB durability?

It’s perfect.

that I have felt really good in a long time. The Giants will definitely establish a running game to coincide with the passing game. The Barkley and Hernandez picks are my favorite pick, but I must say that the defensive line will be constantly bringing the pressure with fresh bodies, which is staple in Bettcher's defense.

We didn't draft a Hall of Famer who will play for the next 10 to 12 years like Nelson or Chubb, instead of a Guy who is one carry away from being down in Alabama seeing James Andrews.

to me was the QB. That said, they're sticking to their philosophy of "not reaching." And I'm sure not sold on Webb, so fine.

The rest of it looks great on paper. Hard to believe they haven't upgraded the run game with Barkley and more importantly, Hernandez.

Carter looks like he could be something. And then a couple of big butt DTs. Once Gettleman explained they are trying to build a 9 man DL rotation, it made perfect sense.

I do believe Eli has plenty left if you fix the OL and give him a run game. But having lived through the Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Danny Kanell years, I was hoping for a more Favre-to-Rodgers, Payton-to-Luck type transition, but I guess that will either have to wait (and cost a fortune of picks ala the trade up for Eli) or not happen.

So while it looks good at the moment, if Rosen and Darnold are ripping up the league as the Giants are floundering for their next QB, it will be hard to swallow. OTOH, a third SB for Eli would even that out some.

"Barkley has to be the love child of Jim Brown & Barry Sanders in order to be worth it" narrative that's arisen from some of BBI. And that's coming from someone who would've drafted Darnold.

I don't have to agree with all of the picks, but I'd like to understand them. I like that we've gotten back to productive players and away from non-productive workout warrior-type projects. The only pick I didn't care for was BJ Hill because it seemed redundant when we have other needs like corner and free safety. However, we can certainly use depth behind Snacks. I honestly don't have a single complaint about the other picks.

In comment 13945591 DelZotto said:

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We didn't draft a Hall of Famer who will play for the next 10 to 12 years like Nelson or Chubb, instead of a Guy who is one carry away from being down in Alabama seeing James Andrews.

One roll-up and Nelson or Chubb could be reading "Alabama Monthly" in the Doc's waiting room, too.

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In comment 13945087 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said: Quote: is not a good value. Was taking LT at #2 a good value? The sole question is whether Barkley is as talented as many people think he is. If he is, then that is a great value, if he isn't then obviously it was a bad decision. He appears to be a game-changing player to me. That is a player who makes everyone around him better. As a Giant fan, I certainly hope that is true. It is pretty clear that the GM and the coach think that is the case. I think this was a great draft for the Giants. Time will tell. It is not just about Barkley. He also needs to be substantially better than Darnold, Rosen, and Allen if Webb or Lauletta can’t be a worthy successor to Eli

This is what I don’t get about the QB at all costs crowd. Why does he have to be substantially better than all 3? The Giants weren’t picking all 3, they could only pick one. So which ONE does he have to be substantially better than? You don’t get to sit back for the next handful of years and pick and choose whichever QB turns out the best and bitch that the Giants didn’t take him. Who would they have taken? That’s the only guy you can compare Barkley to, let’s not cherry pick, huh?

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In comment 13944772 BleedBlue said: Quote: In comment 13944106 the mike said: Quote: "Best Player Available" triumphantly returns! RIP Need Reach! Best draft outcome I can remember... 1. Barkley: A 2. Hernandez: A 3. Carter: A 4. Hill: B+ 5. Lauletta: B 6. McIntosh: A Thank you David Gettleman! no disrespect but how the hell isnt barkley A+??! he is the best player in the draft and we got him second without giving up picks or assets. I agree on other grades No disrespect taken - my highest grade is an A... but I will accept your comment as a very appropriate asterisk to my grade on Barkley!

oh okay. makes sense!




also to all those who are still pounding the table for a QB. DG was NEVER going QB. if barkley went 1, he was taking chubb. its pretty simple guys...he thinks eli has a few years left of good football...he believes he can get a QB next year or the year after, he isnt panicking on that front. as people have mentioned you cannot say barkley has to be better than all 3....we cant take all three...IF anything you just have to have him be better than chubb becsause he was #2 on the board for us....so the QBs werent in conversation imo

In comment 13945934 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 13945075 the mike said: Quote: In comment 13944772 BleedBlue said: Quote: In comment 13944106 the mike said: Quote: "Best Player Available" triumphantly returns! RIP Need Reach! Best draft outcome I can remember... 1. Barkley: A 2. Hernandez: A 3. Carter: A 4. Hill: B+ 5. Lauletta: B 6. McIntosh: A Thank you David Gettleman! no disrespect but how the hell isnt barkley A+??! he is the best player in the draft and we got him second without giving up picks or assets. I agree on other grades No disrespect taken - my highest grade is an A... but I will accept your comment as a very appropriate asterisk to my grade on Barkley! oh okay. makes sense! also to all those who are still pounding the table for a QB. DG was NEVER going QB. if barkley went 1, he was taking chubb. its pretty simple guys...he thinks eli has a few years left of good football...he believes he can get a QB next year or the year after, he isnt panicking on that front. as people have mentioned you cannot say barkley has to be better than all 3....we cant take all three...IF anything you just have to have him be better than chubb becsause he was #2 on the board for us....so the QBs werent in conversation imo

Adding your preferred narrative as a form of confirmation bias is not particularly productive to the discussion other than advancing the point that what you clearly wished would happen did happen.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest DG would have taken Chubb over a QB except for you wanting to believe a particular reason for why DG passed on the QB options, and even that could be about the prospects and not Eli.

In comment 13946009 Gatorade Dunk said

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... Adding your preferred narrative as a form of confirmation bias is not particularly productive to the discussion other than advancing the point that what you clearly wished would happen did happen. There is absolutely nothing to suggest DG would have taken Chubb over a QB except for you wanting to believe a particular reason for why DG passed on the QB options, and even that could be about the prospects and not Eli.

I don’t think it’s his narrative, I’m pretty sure that I saw it reported, ether from DG’s comments or maybe a reporter familiar with the war room discussions that Chubb was the pick if Barkley went first. That same source did say that the QB’s were not rated above either Barkley or Chubb.

a ST star as a fourth rounder.

In comment 13946030 Bill L said:

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In comment 13946009 Gatorade Dunk said Quote: ... Adding your preferred narrative as a form of confirmation bias is not particularly productive to the discussion other than advancing the point that what you clearly wished would happen did happen. There is absolutely nothing to suggest DG would have taken Chubb over a QB except for you wanting to believe a particular reason for why DG passed on the QB options, and even that could be about the prospects and not Eli. I don’t think it’s his narrative, I’m pretty sure that I saw it reported, ether from DG’s comments or maybe a reporter familiar with the war room discussions that Chubb was the pick if Barkley went first. That same source did say that the QB’s were not rated above either Barkley or Chubb.

exactly...i dont have a narrative. its a game and a hobby for me. I would have been fine if darnold was the pick but IMO it was chubb or barkley. as mentioned above i thought it was mentioned/confirmed as well.

In comment 13945611 David B. said:

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to me was the QB. That said, they're sticking to their philosophy of "not reaching." And I'm sure not sold on Webb, so fine. The rest of it looks great on paper. Hard to believe they haven't upgraded the run game with Barkley and more importantly, Hernandez. Carter looks like he could be something. And then a couple of big butt DTs. Once Gettleman explained they are trying to build a 9 man DL rotation, it made perfect sense. I do believe Eli has plenty left if you fix the OL and give him a run game. But having lived through the Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Danny Kanell years, I was hoping for a more Favre-to-Rodgers, Payton-to-Luck type transition, but I guess that will either have to wait (and cost a fortune of picks ala the trade up for Eli) or not happen. So while it looks good at the moment, if Rosen and Darnold are ripping up the league as the Giants are floundering for their next QB, it will be hard to swallow. OTOH, a third SB for Eli would even that out some.

Agreed.

the truth is every team dont know for certain what they have only an idea until game action.

as with all, you dont know if theyll turn into a bust 1 ed pick or 7th, or if all. or if all will turn into all pros and hall of famers..Some can have career ending injuries right of the bat..you never know til they play for a few seasons.