In retrospect, looking at Dayne the player, it's baffling that he was drafted 10th overall. Even if he put up the numbers at Wisconsin that he did today, if he were in the 2018 draft, he would not be drafted earlier than the 5th round in my opinion. He basically is a heavier Andre Williams
+8 billion.
and there still are...
He was big, so people ASSUMED he can't be soft. I thought Coughlin unnecessarily took a shot at Fassel when he was introduced by saying he was going to stop Dayne from "dancing behind the LOS". Long story short... he cut Dayne the next offseason.
The last RB I was truely excited about re: Draft was Rodney Hampton. And he was awesome.
What Dayne did at the Rose Bowl was dominating, Alexander was also good but not like Dayne.
Dayne was a very nice guy, very humble, Alexander was as A-hole, he almost got cut at Seattle because of that. Then the Hawks turned out to be the best blocking team in the NFL and Alexander's career took off.
When that changed, he turned into a deflated pumpkin, right-away. If he'd come to the Giants, he would have clashed big-time with Tiki.
So, in answer to the OP's question, yes, some people were stoked when we drafted him.
I couldn't imagine the uproar here if Accorsi did that.
One of the most outrageous picks ever.
Thankfully we finally got our power back in Jacobs.
What Dayne did at the Rose Bowl was dominating, Alexander was also good but not like Dayne.
Dayne was a very nice guy, very humble, Alexander was as A-hole, he almost got cut at Seattle because of that. Then the Hawks turned out to be the best blocking team in the NFL and Alexander's career took off.
When that changed, he turned into a deflated pumpkin, right-away. If he'd come to the Giants, he would have clashed big-time with Tiki.
He and Tiki actually looked a lot alike :)
Same. I wanted Alexander. But admit I was thrilled when the Giants drafted Tyrone Wheatley. Still disappointed that didn't work out.
I wanted Alexander.
Still have a Wheatley jersey in the closet.
"Blunder and Lightning"....
Shaun Ellis
John Abraham
Bubba Franks
Deltha O'Neal
Julian Peterson
Honestly throw in Chad Pennington and Alexnander after the Raiders took the kicker and I'm not sure there's ever been a much better run from 11-19 in the draft. And we got Ron Dayne.
Thought dayne would be a terrific power runner. So did Ernie. Disaster of a pick. Taught me a lesson.
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Between being fat and also running behind an awesome offensive line, what happened there?
He was big, so people ASSUMED he can't be soft. I thought Coughlin unnecessarily took a shot at Fassel when he was introduced by saying he was going to stop Dayne from "dancing behind the LOS". Long story short... he cut Dayne the next offseason.
We used to call it the Ron Dayne cha cha. He wasn't even good in short yardage, which drove me nuts.
"How long have you been on BBI" (or something like that) thread when someone posted a link to an archive of the old message board.
I couldn't imagine the uproar here if Accorsi did that.
One of the most outrageous picks ever.
HAHAHAHA!
You’ve been leading the brigade bashing DG for passing on a QB - and instead taking the consensus best player in the draft, no less - and back in the day would have taken a KICKER top 10?!?!
Oh, the irony...
Later in his career, he lost some weight and had some decent numbers for Denver and Houston. His career high in rushing yards was his last year.
No, I don't remember anybody on BBI being really psyched to be getting Dayne.
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Sebastian Janikowski who went 17th to the Raiders that year.
I couldn't imagine the uproar here if Accorsi did that.
One of the most outrageous picks ever.
HAHAHAHA!
You’ve been leading the brigade bashing DG for passing on a QB - and instead taking the consensus best player in the draft, no less - and back in the day would have taken a KICKER top 10?!?!
Oh, the irony...
I have a feeling he was mocking the Janikowski pick and pointing out that as flawed as the Dayne pick was, there are always dumber picks.
Later in his career, he lost some weight and had some decent numbers for Denver and Houston. His career high in rushing yards was his last year.
No, I don't remember anybody on BBI being really psyched to be getting Dayne.
Filmgiant was, and defended him until possibly his last career carry.
Here's a fun article from the time saying the Giants could have traded up to the Ravens pick for only a 2nd rounder. But they thought that wasn't worth it. The Ravens took Jamal Lewis. Ugh.
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The last RB I was truely excited about re: Draft was Rodney Hampton. And he was awesome.
Rodney Hampton averaged 3.8 yards per carry in his seven healthy years as a Giant. In the last four of those years he averaged 3.5 yards per carry, and, almost beyond belief, in 1,179 carries only one was for over 30 yards. 32 yards in 1995.
Was there anything more dull and depressing than "Hampton up the middle for four yards," "Hampton up the middle for two yards," "Hampton up the middle for five yards."
Alexander was a bigger one. New York was not big enough to suffer the quad jerks.
I have a feeling he was mocking the Janikowski pick and pointing out that as flawed as the Dayne pick was, there are always dumber picks.
That you for getting it.
It’s amazing how long ago that was. Time flies.
I completely did not know what I was looking at and boy was I wrong.
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...a very bad joke.
Just one more stupid ass draft move by this organization.
Hindsight being 20/20, I’m sure there were more people who were on board with that pick than this thread indicates. No matter what the Giants do there will always be people who just agree 1000% even if they wouldn’t have made the pick.
My guess is that it's because people on BBI are really good evaluators of talent and not because of any other reason.
Since everybody is so sure that management screwed up the draft, right?
Then the following summer I saw him at a driving range hitting golf balls and he looked liked an everyday, unathaletic fat guy, let alone a pro athlete.
It's funny that no one wanted him in retrospect. I remember a lot more excitement on BBI about Dayne in his rookie year than I am reading about on this thread.
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My guess is that it's because people on BBI are really good evaluators of talent and not because of any other reason.
Since everybody is so sure that management screwed up the draft, right?
Zingers are not your game. Stick to white knighting for white multi-millionaires.
Matt in Syracuse was all in on Brian Urlacher. He was taking all of these measurables and data points and concluding that Urlacher was going to be all pro caliber in the NFL, or something like that. Matt was describing Urlacher’s game as if he was a season ticket holder for Lobos football. And he was passionate and persistent about it. It was Milton’s obsession with Rosen X 10.
Eventually I got curious and asked Matt how many games he saw Urlacher play at New Mexico. It wasn’t like New Mexico was always on ESPN, and I don’t think YouTube was around either.
Well, Matt admitted he never saw Urlacher play one minute. But he didn’t need to because his magical algorithm was essentially all he needed. I found that appalling, and chased him around BBI for months calling him a fraud for not watching most prospects play, yet writing these elaborate analysis describing actual game action and predicting success...
It’s 18 yeas later and that son of a bitch MiS nailed it. Urlacher is headed to the Hall of Fame. I hope somewhere in the crowd when Urlacher is giving his speech MiS is sitting there taking it all in. He really deserves to be there.
Still have a Wheatley jersey in the closet.
Wheatley had a beef w/the Giants...I forget exactly, but I think maybe Mara had made a comment that really set him off. Once he went to the Raiders, he started to really play, but it was too late. He could have been soooo much more than he was
Missing some of those names ....not good. At all. Possibly my worst blunder as a fan. Dayne. Hehehe. Crazy. But. Those were also always in context of drafting OL high also, as that's been a thing here.
As a person he seemed fine though. Great effort vs the Rams, I think, right after 9-11.
To be fair there were posters on both sides of that debate, but it was my first indication (being new to BBI) that there were no shortage of posters who would bend over backwards to make excuses for an under-performing Giants' player.
...but it was my first indication (being new to BBI) that there were no shortage of posters who would bend over backwards to make excuses for an under-performing Giants' player.
Get ready because that’s coming with Barkley.
And I think it’s the same corp of people who have protected Eli with every excuse imaginable.
Played like a 6th round flyer take, a.
The line problems have been recurring since accorsi left. But that doesn't excuse the dayne mistake. Lesson, actually watch some games once in a while.
In hindsight, his lack of athleticism should have scared us, Jacobs was taken in the 4th and he better passed the eyeball test.
I made up for it because I got souped about Jacobs. 260lbs and 4.5 40, wtf!?!!
He actually WAS rather nimble for a guy his size. If he had just stopped stutter-stepping behind the line on every carry, he would have been perfectly serviceable.
Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio State. That Big Ten.
LMAO...Could be, I use to be on BBWC and BBI but switched to BBI full time around 1999. If so I have mellowed in my age and I have no qualms about saying you ended up being correct and I am sorry
He flashed at times - when given space, he could bring it - but that's true of most RB's.
FWIW, I always support the first round pick, even when it isn't who I wanted.
Sometimes a surprise works out - Mathias Kiwanuka
Sometimes it doesn't - Eli Apple
However, I remember that draft well because of a kick-ass party thrown by my old boss, who was beating the drum for Shaun Alexander. For me, I was all about Julian Peterson. I wanted another Carl Banks...another Michigan State LB. Sadly, neither one of us got the player we wanted.
I loved the Tyrone Wheatley pick though a few years earlier. With Rodney Hampton on the decline he ticked all the boxes coming out - freak athlete, great size, and outstanding college production in a tough conference, but none of it clicked on the Giants. Never expected him to bust so bad.
Urlacher was a safety at UM, too, right? He sort of played this rover role. As the draft got closer, ESPN, the NFLNetwork wasn't around either, showed a lot of footage of Urlacher running around the field like he was being chased by a guy with a machete. It seemed like he made every tackle...
Matt in Syracuse was all in on Brian Urlacher. He was taking all of these measurables and data points and concluding that Urlacher was going to be all pro caliber in the NFL, or something like that. Matt was describing Urlacher’s game as if he was a season ticket holder for Lobos football. And he was passionate and persistent about it. It was Milton’s obsession with Rosen X 10.
Eventually I got curious and asked Matt how many games he saw Urlacher play at New Mexico. It wasn’t like New Mexico was always on ESPN, and I don’t think YouTube was around either.
Well, Matt admitted he never saw Urlacher play one minute. But he didn’t need to because his magical algorithm was essentially all he needed. I found that appalling, and chased him around BBI for months calling him a fraud for not watching most prospects play, yet writing these elaborate analysis describing actual game action and predicting success...
It’s 18 yeas later and that son of a bitch MiS nailed it. Urlacher is headed to the Hall of Fame. I hope somewhere in the crowd when Urlacher is giving his speech MiS is sitting there taking it all in. He really deserves to be there.
Matt extolled the virtues of almost any combine warrior. He weighed the combine almost as the end all be all in his evaluations. Some guys who have great combines end up being great players but its a combination of tape and certain measurables which should confirm what you see on tape.
i never wanted alexander instead of dayne.
when the giants choose dayne i thought he would decent, but not great. he was supposed to be thunder--though i never saw him as smash mouth--and tiki was lightening. still, i thought they would be a good combination and keep each other fresh. i agree that the giants OL turned lousy and that definitely hurt him a lot since he didn't have the quickness to escape. he never panned out.