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Why should I not go No. 1?” Barkley asks. He genuinely wants an answer. With every other player in the draft class, he says, there’s a but. “With me, I can confidently say there is no but.” That’s why he thinks he’s different. And Gil Brandt agrees. The legendary talent evaluator has worked in the NFL for 63 years, most notably as the vice president of player personnel for the Cowboys for three decades. He grades prospects on a nine-point system, broken down into five characteristics: character; quickness and agility; strength and explosion; competitiveness; and mental alertness. Over his career he has graded 492 running backs. Barkley ranks highest of them all. “He has a 100% chance of being an All-Pro,” Brandt says. “He’s the best player in the draft.” |
Wow. Stay healthy young man.
But Brandt isn't the only one to have an out of this world grade on him. Quite a few analysts have him as one of their highest graded RB's ever from what I've seen.
Hard to argue with the logic behind the pick. He's clearly extremely highly-regarded.
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would you consider yourself cynic, skeptic, or contrarian?
But Brandt isn't the only one to have an out of this world grade on him. Quite a few analysts have him as one of their highest graded RB's ever from what I've seen.
Hard to argue with the logic behind the pick. He's clearly extremely highly-regarded.
That wouldn't really be fair to him, either.
This first year I'm hoping for him to be able to read and pick up a blitz, not look to bounce everything outside, and help in the passing game.
It's the production, game tape, skill set, competition, pro readiness, character, work ethic, personality, combine and clean injury history.
In terms of draft prospects, he is a straight A student. Can he not live up to that? Sure. But the evidence we have now does not lead in that direction. I read one scout say that any negative he had to jot down in his write-up of Barkley felt forced and like he needed to do so in order to complete the report.
Personally, I haven't seen this type of hype in football before. This is more than even Reggie Bush. I've only seen it for LeBron and Bryce Harper. Those 2 worked out pretty well.
And YES, time will tell as nothing is guaranteed
I would guess:
OJ
Ricky Williams
Marcus Allen
Adrian Peterson
LaDanian Tomlinson
Marshall Faulk
Are all on the list
He may be very good or even great. Some pointy headed football analysts are already investigating options to poke holes in Barkley.
He may be very good or even great. Some pointy headed football analysts are already investigating options to poke holes in Barkley.
Yep and it also seems like a lot of the detractors(mainly those who wanted the Giants to select a QB) are the ones setting the bar the highest.
"If he doesn't go into the Hall of Fame first ballot AND shit a golden football into my lap, then it was a bad pick!"
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Who are his top 10 rated RBs of all time?
I would guess:
OJ
Ricky Williams
Marcus Allen
Adrian Peterson
LaDanian Tomlinson
Marshall Faulk
Are all on the list
It's grades coming out of college.....
1) Barkley
2) Tony Dorsett
3) Herschel Walker
I absolutely get those that wanted a QB. So, there would be natural disappointment. But, the disdain for the Barkley pick is as if they both passed on a QB with the same type of rating Barkley has (that QB didn't exist in this draft) and drafted a reach/project in his place. Since all the QBs came with serious questions and Barkley is a consensus excellent pick, why the anger?
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The expectations for this guy are out of this world - he literally has to be a first team all-pro out of the gates otherwise people are going to hold it against him.
But Brandt isn't the only one to have an out of this world grade on him. Quite a few analysts have him as one of their highest graded RB's ever from what I've seen.
Hard to argue with the logic behind the pick. He's clearly extremely highly-regarded.
That wouldn't really be fair to him, either.
This first year I'm hoping for him to be able to read and pick up a blitz, not look to bounce everything outside, and help in the passing game.
I would agree.
I think if people are going to expect 2000 scrimmage yards in year one, it's probably not fair to him and not that realistic.
I do think he has to be productive in year one - and I believe he will be. But doing all of the little things will matter just as much as the gaudy numbers.
I appreciate his confidence but we have drafted too many #1
RB busts to fall for the hype blindly
If we find a franchise qb by trading 3 1st rounders or sign a Kirk Cousins type for big money and Darnold, Rosen, Allen are all franchise qbs's or 1 of them turns into a franchise qb then it will mean we screwed up
Only thing that will make the SB legit, is that he turns into a HOF type of back, Darnold blows and is not great or the other 2 and we draft a stud one in a couple of year or the back ups we have now turn into studs. That is the only way
Keep damage controlling. 1 or 3 of them it dont matter because the Giants told you that SB was worth it because the qb's all were not primed for being franchise qb's
Only way your argument has merit is if we drafted a qb and one of the other qb's turned into HOF type.
But DG told everyone that the qb's were not worth crap and none were touched by the hand of GOD
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4 Qbs goes on to a HOF career, there is no certainty that we would have picked THAT QB out of the 4 anyway
Keep damage controlling. 1 or 3 of them it dont matter because the Giants told you that SB was worth it because the qb's all were not primed for being franchise qb's
Only way your argument has merit is if we drafted a qb and one of the other qb's turned into HOF type.
But DG told everyone that the qb's were not worth crap and none were touched by the hand of GOD
Saying they weren't in love with any of the QB's and saying they "were not worth crap" are completely different notions.
If you need gross hyperbole like this to make your point, you probably don't have a very good one.
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4 Qbs goes on to a HOF career, there is no certainty that we would have picked THAT QB out of the 4 anyway
Keep damage controlling. 1 or 3 of them it dont matter because the Giants told you that SB was worth it because the qb's all were not primed for being franchise qb's
Only way your argument has merit is if we drafted a qb and one of the other qb's turned into HOF type.
But DG told everyone that the qb's were not worth crap and none were touched by the hand of GOD
No damage control. The Giants didn’t value any of the top 4 as franchise guys. Period. End of story. Moving on
Most of the best all time QBs have come in later rounds- Unitas, Montana, Marino, Tarkenton, Brady.....the list goes on and on
These 5 are arguably the best NFL QBs of all time
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4 Qbs goes on to a HOF career, there is no certainty that we would have picked THAT QB out of the 4 anyway
Keep damage controlling. 1 or 3 of them it dont matter because the Giants told you that SB was worth it because the qb's all were not primed for being franchise qb's
Only way your argument has merit is if we drafted a qb and one of the other qb's turned into HOF type.
But DG told everyone that the qb's were not worth crap and none were touched by the hand of GOD
It’s fine to be skeptical, but you should be skeptical of every player in this draft then.
Receiving: 50 rec 10.0 y/c 500 yds (Kamara had 81 and 10.2 y/r)
Total: 1625 yds, 300 touches, 10+ TDs
that’s disingenuous to good degree...
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4 Qbs goes on to a HOF career, there is no certainty that we would have picked THAT QB out of the 4 anyway
Keep damage controlling. 1 or 3 of them it dont matter because the Giants told you that SB was worth it because the qb's all were not primed for being franchise qb's
Only way your argument has merit is if we drafted a qb and one of the other qb's turned into HOF type.
But DG told everyone that the qb's were not worth crap and none were touched by the hand of GOD
You’re embellishing way too much here...
Rosen - Matt Ryan
Darnold - Eli
How good does Barkley then need to be to justify the pick?
- Tiki with a SB MVP?
- Faulk?
- Top 3 all time?
Does your opinion change if Lauletta (or Webb) develops into a Cousins/Alex Smith level QB?
As far as Gil Brant goes is he serious? I have 2 words:
BO JACKSON.
I'm a born skeptic
Dalton signed a second contract with his team for nearly 100 million, and quarterbacked a team to 4 straight playoff appearances. He's a franchise quarterback correct? So, would you be upset if we passed on the next Andy Dalton?
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4 Qbs goes on to a HOF career, there is no certainty that we would have picked THAT QB out of the 4 anyway
that’s disingenuous to good degree...
If we find a franchise qb by trading 3 1st rounders or sign a Kirk Cousins type for big money and Darnold, Rosen, Allen are all franchise qbs's or 1 of them turns into a franchise qb then it will mean we screwed up
Only thing that will make the SB legit, is that he turns into a HOF type of back, Darnold blows and is not great or the other 2 and we draft a stud one in a couple of year or the back ups we have now turn into studs. That is the only way
Winning a Superbowl wouldn't?
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It will still mean we blew the draft if Darnold, Allen, Rosen turn into franchise qbs and we are stuck with avaregare qb play going forward for the duration of SB career
If we find a franchise qb by trading 3 1st rounders or sign a Kirk Cousins type for big money and Darnold, Rosen, Allen are all franchise qbs's or 1 of them turns into a franchise qb then it will mean we screwed up
Only thing that will make the SB legit, is that he turns into a HOF type of back, Darnold blows and is not great or the other 2 and we draft a stud one in a couple of year or the back ups we have now turn into studs. That is the only way
Winning a Superbowl wouldn't?
Wow. I think that you might be the first person who mentioned or seemed to take into account team results in any of these conversations.
Check out the numbers of the two best rookie running backs last year, Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt:
Kamara: Rush: 120/728/8, Rec.: 81/826/5
Total: 201 Touches, 1554 yds, 7.7 yds/touch, 13 TD
Hunt: Rush: 272/1327/8, Rec.: 53/455/3
Total: 325 Touches, 1782 yds, 5.5 yds/touch, 11 TD
If I had to pick one or the other, I'd rather Barkley's rookie season looked like Kamara's. I'm hoping for explosive plays, particularly in the passing game.
Check out the numbers of the two best rookie running backs last year, Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt:
Kamara: Rush: 120/728/8, Rec.: 81/826/5
Total: 201 Touches, 1554 yds, 7.7 yds/touch, 13 TD
Hunt: Rush: 272/1327/8, Rec.: 53/455/3
Total: 325 Touches, 1782 yds, 5.5 yds/touch, 11 TD
If I had to pick one or the other, I'd rather Barkley's rookie season looked like Kamara's. I'm hoping for explosive plays, particularly in the passing game.
Hunt didn't have as many explosive plays, but I hope Barkley gets the ball as much as he did (300-325 touches) rather than the 200 touches Kamara had. With this OL, averaging 5.0 yards/rush might be a bit of a stretch, but I fully expect Barkley to exceed Hunt's 8.6 yards/rec number.
Ultimately, I can see 300 touches with 6.0-6.5 yds/touch which would likely be a ROY season.