Davis Webb has made an excellent first impression on New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur and general manager Dave Gettleman.
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"After the three-day minicamp, the first exposure Pat and I had, semi-live, and at the end of the day he made some really good decisions and he made some terrific throws," Gettleman said of Webb's progression in an interview with WFAN.
"We already know his work ethic, we're not guessing there. When you draft a kid, you're told he's got a great ethic but you never know. With Davis, we know, and it's a big thumbs up. It reinforced what we thought. Of course, Davis has to keep building on it, but we really like what we saw."
As a hypothetical , If Eli Manning starts struggling in his first 8 games , and if the Giants are 2-6 at that time.
Would there be pressure to start Davis Webb over Eli?
I would say Eli has the obvious advantage over him by being able to read defenses , sizing up mismatches , and using his brain.
Obviously I want Eli to succeed , and am hoping for a 4,000 yard season with about 25 TD's....
However , if he does struggle , an argument can be made that Webb is as talented physically as Eli right now , and is definitely 2-3 times more mobile.
If Eli starts struggling out of the gate , would the Giants think about starting Davis Webb in his place?
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John Madden used to say the most popular guy on the team was the backup QB. Everybody loves the backup QB, until he has to play.
If a change is going to be made, it won't be until aftr the 2018 season. IMO.
The other legitimate, documented question against him is how effectively and quickly can he read and react to a defense.
Remember: "Jonas Seawright was unblockable."
I remain unconvinced that Gettleman and/or Shurmur are in love with Eli. I think Gettleman was in love with Barkley. I also don't think he was in love with any of the 1st round QBs. Finally, I think he was downright scared of coming in and making his 1st pick a QB to replace Eli. Now, he comes in and gets Eli a great RB and has solidified - or at least made several moves in that direction - the OL. With Beckham healthy and Shepard and EE a year older, Eli is out of excuses. If he stinks, everyone knows he's finished, and the team can get on with the business of replacing him. DSG will get flamed for not doing so when he had the chance in this draft, but what's done is done.
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The Giants are 2-6 and there is not an insane amount of injuries(legit excuse), Eli's starting days as Giant will sadly be over. They will go into the bye and let the number 2 play the rest of the season. They got the offense the best LT on the market, a new guard, they drafted the best run blocking guard prospect in the last 25 years and the best running back prospect in over a decade, that has all the tools a RB can have. Excuses are over, put up or shut up.
I like the Hernandez pick, but he is not the beast run blocking guard prospect in over a decade.
This is not true. Sxdxca is DEFINITELY Webb's biggest fan.
Even if the offense is struggling, one still needs to consider the reasons for the struggle and address those reasons. If Eli's play is a cause then he should be replaced asap. If not, replacing him won't make a difference. In that case I prefer to wait until we are eliminated to replace Eli, but I would definitely replace him once that's happened and I would not keep him next year at his salary.
If the offense is dropping 40 burgers on the opposition and the defense is shitting the bed then you can't really make that claim. It's all relative. If we are 2-6 and it's the offense shitting the bed then I would have to agree with you.
I don't take any 2017 personnel decisions to heart when evaluating the Giants players. It was clear BM was more interested in self preservation then true evaluation. In his slicked back head, he thought a scrambling QB was the best option for his offense. So Webb not getting on the field doesn't mean anything as far as I'm concerned.
If a change is going to be made, it won't be until aftr the 2018 season. IMO.
Eli gets a Mulligan please Moops to me if Eli stinks after 3 games he’s out of there .........Eli gets a mulligan😳 .......unbelievable
Likely nothing. He's cheap and under contract.
I get your point, but i dont think anything Mcapoo did spoke volumes, particularly that decision knowing his job was hanging by a thread he went with the guy who has played in and won an NFL football game before.
Actually, it doesn’t speak anything. It’s been discussed a billion times on here that Webb was never seeing the field last year at all. They drafted him knowing that he would redshirt the year. Add in McAdoos utter incompetence, apparent love affair with Genos “mobility”, and him coaching for his job, it doesn’t take a genius to figure this out.
Not at all. Going into the year everyone thought we were contenders. It made sense to have a backup with starting experience over a mid round rookie.
(coachable, likely addressed if not resolved) and he's probably twice as accurate as Eli on short throws , who, if he has to throw down the line of scrimmage is as likely to throw it in the dirt as not. He isn't worth a damn under 3 yds.
His decision making is nowhere near Eli's, he himself knew it coming in and resolved to get better, another weak point in his game he's aware of and working on. Far as total arm strength not much difference, but Eli is more able to apply it where he wants it.Even if he improves he likely won't ever exceed Eli's ability there, or with touch, which Manning has, increasingly the farther down the field you go. When he's on. But he can probably sling it farther downfield at this point than Eli. Doesn't necessarily count for anything, at this point. Can he do it in a playoff game? The one thing management Knows is Eli can when it counts, as recently as 17 months ago, and he really hasn't undergone any major physical changes since then. Gettleman thinks he's a freak. I think that's what he actually meant when he said that. I guess he thinks Eli can do what needs to be done if he's functioning in an environment with competent people, and sadly for Webb the only way anyone is ever going to find out if he can do it is by getting on the field. I think Eli was reminded how easily that can be taken away. That's the kind of shit that makes a man hungry, for realz.
I wouldn't be surprised if Manning had a great year, not at all.He's very loose yet focused. I'm very interested in watching him this year.
With Webb, Lauleta, Beckham, Barkley, Eli may wind up being the story of the year. When the Giants do well, he usually is. Don't forget how he responded when Barber doubted him....
The answer is never. This won’t change in 2018. Eli is a known commodity. He can still deliver. Yes he he can and will go down if a defender blows on him sometimes. So did Simms towards the end. So did Collins. Eli can still deliver and with a competent HC he will thrive once again.
Forget 2017!
Hmm, never you say?
never...
It can be the Eli Manning the finger tour 🖕