I checked out his stats the other day and if I remember correctly they're on par in terms of yardage and superior in terms of TDs to Shockey's rookie season. Now mind you 15 years later it's a different league with different passing stats and way more pass catching TEs. But EE had a 3-13 team to Shockey's 10-6 team so we'll call it even. Thoughts on Engram's play last season and potential going forward?
I expect him to catapult from last year's initiation and have a big year.
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good blocker. Potential to be a superior tight end, but probably fall short of that elite level.
He is not a good blocker.
He'll never be a dominating blocker. But he sticks his nose in there, gives good effort and at least ties up the defender long enough for the play to happen.
Look at his PFF rating, it isn't perfect but the low rating certainly isn't a reflection of who he is as a receiver. I don't take these as the gospel but their methodology is solid, it isn't junk. Think he has a long way to go as a blocker. (His effort is there though)
I expect him to catapult from last year's initiation and have a big year.
Wait! Why TF are you saying something nice about a Giants’ player? That is NOT in your contract
Not in Shockey league at this point. Still a long way to go to reach Shockeys level.
Wait! Why TF are you saying something nice about a Giants’ player? That is NOT in your contract
I get so mischaracterized around here...
But specifically speaking of Engram, I think he has the potential to be the best receiving TE in football, I do believe that.
...wide receiver one day!
Decent blocker from what I could tell, but I am hardly an expert.
2) I hope he spent 10 minutes 3 times a day, watching videos of Plaxico or Gronk blocking.
Seems like an easy guy to root for.
As 2nd TE, Slot, Wide.
I still don't see your 'extra OL type TE ' on the roster.
But seriously, I do expect him to have significantly more running room (after catch stuff) in the new system ....and also assumung the RBs get going.
Plaxico Burress/ Kelvin Benjamin type. A big wide receiver with superior blocking skills in the intermediate and deep zones.
With a running start, I've NEVER seen anybody destroy so many corners and safeties blocking for our RBs (as Plaxico did)
In-line blocking, I just don't want to Engram clobbered by 300+ linemen.
RB run outside left. Beck's wide right.
Play action right maybe.QB run right. Beck's cross leftwards.
Engram was robbed of a spot at the Pro Bowl. I know, it's a popularity contest, but still. He put up better numbers than the three NFC TEs who bot chosen: Greg Olsen, Jordan Reed, and Jimmy Graham.
Not drafting any WR's or TE's, he definitely is an important piece to this Giant resurrection.
THats my take as well. He will be a very good player occasional wow plays with that speed of his. So so blocker but he will have a nice career. Not sure he will be the toughest bad ass TE ever but he will be a valuable cog here.
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Engram was robbed of a spot at the Pro Bowl. I know, it's a popularity contest, but still. He put up better numbers than the three NFC TEs who bot chosen: Greg Olsen, Jordan Reed, and Jimmy Graham.
I didn't give you any grief on Engram. I have been consistent from start that I really liked him (and still really do). But to me he was a guy that could have been had in the beginning of Rd 2 and maybe mid Rd 2.
But Reese & Co desperately needed a TE since it was one of his forgotten positions, and one who could get downfield to alleviate coverage to OBJ. So we pulled any early trigger versus making some moves to get him at a more appropriate spot and another guy to boot.
I am high on him though as we all should be.
Once they get the various functions working off each other one expects people with one man to beat.. not whole parties.
First thing I thought of was the drops. Besides the occasional concentration lapse he’s excellent and a much much better blocker than he gets credit for.
I didn't give you any grief on Engram. I have been consistent from start that I really liked him (and still really do). But to me he was a guy that could have been had in the beginning of Rd 2 and maybe mid Rd 2.
Didn't a few teams who picked after the Giants (I believe the Falcons were one?) say they were hoping to get him in Round 1? So no, he couldn't have been gotten in the 2nd round.
You say you wanted to pick him in the second round??? Well, I'm even smarter---I would want to pick him in the 4th or 5th round.... but I'd be over-joyed to find a guy like this at 23 every year, forever and ever!
He's an absolute Mismatch/Field Tilter.... he doesn't need to improve to be a heckuva #23---and my bet is that he'll get a helluva lot better!
David Njoku (The U) was drafted six spots after Engram. He appeared in 16 games for Cleveland, making 4 starts, and racked up 32 receptions for 386 yards with 4 TDs.
Evan Engram appeared in 15 games, making 11 starts, and racked up 64 receptions for 722 yards with 6 TDs.
No surprise, Engram made the PFWA All-Rookie Team, and as I said earlier, he should've made the Pro Bowl, too.
We'll never know if Engram would have been available 30 picks later. There wasn't another TE drafted until late in the 3rd round (Jonnu Smith, TN, 18, 157, 2). But for the kind of production we got from Engram in a year when everyone else seemingly crashed and burned, I don't see how anyone can label his pick a "reach."
But that has really nothing to do with what I said.
The kid is going into only his second year....jeepers, it's like nobody has the capacity for growth.
Yes, but that's not the point. Shockey was the 14th pick of the draft (the first TE chosen), Engram the 23rd (the second TE chosen). But just for a comparison, Shockey's rookie season he had 74 receptions for 894 yards with 2 TDs...on a team that was much more talented and went 10-6.
Also, Engram's production was fairly consistent from his first game to his last. It's not like he began putting up huge numbers by default.
I mean Hilliard got hurt Shockey's rookie year so there were catches to go around than there would have been. And being the only option is a double edged sword, you can easily say it makes it easier to shut him down. Shockey for all his greatness also had only 2 TDs in that regular season.
They are different players and their rookie seasons also couldn't have been any different in terms of scheme, surrounding talent, coaching and chemistry.
Engram is a good player. We wanted a Jordan Reed type of player for this offense and thats what we got (he's actually a lot better than Reed.) No one should be comparing Engram to Shockey. Thats just unfair.
Half the TE's in the league cannot block.
Engram should be a receiver. Shockey was a classic "bad ass" - gave no quarter, expected none ....
Shockey was the reincarnation of Babe Ruth - ill mannered, loud, the kind of guy that would try to tear your testicles off at the bottom of the pile.