According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, there are "far more" teams not willing to pay free agent Dez Bryant at the league minimum than there are teams that would even sign Bryant to any contract.
Bryant has been on the open market for close to three weeks now, and that market has been pretty icy. Only the Ravens have been known to offer him a deal, one that was reportedly a three-year, $21 million pact that Bryant turned down before the Ravens then moved on to Willie Snead. Per Schefter, the NFC East isn't at all interested in Bryant. It's difficult to even find a suitor.
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My sense, without being too much of a douche, is someone wrote it and others repeated it as true.
Per NFL's NextGen stats, in 2017 he averaged 2.4 yards of separation per target, more than Julio Jones or TY Hilton (to name a couple).
Interesting. Where did you see these stats? I watched a lot of Cowboys games last year, stuck with Dez on my fantasy team.. and he only seemed to get separation on short range routes (so, a possession receiver without the footwork)... but this is interesting if true.
I just find it hard to believe Carolina and Chicago have no interest. This report could be teams talking down his market value - if he turned down $21mil from Baltimore (who knows how much guaranteed), its entirely possible there is merely a separation of market value at the moment.
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My sense, without being too much of a douche, is someone wrote it and others repeated it as true.
Per NFL's NextGen stats, in 2017 he averaged 2.4 yards of separation per target, more than Julio Jones or TY Hilton (to name a couple).
Interesting. Where did you see these stats? I watched a lot of Cowboys games last year, stuck with Dez on my fantasy team.. and he only seemed to get separation on short range routes (so, a possession receiver without the footwork)... but this is interesting if true.
I just find it hard to believe Carolina and Chicago have no interest. This report could be teams talking down his market value - if he turned down $21mil from Baltimore (who knows how much guaranteed), its entirely possible there is merely a separation of market value at the moment.
Agree, I think he's probably waiting out the market and will eventually sign somewhere - probably for more than league min.
stats are linked below, the quote came from a different site.
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And if you're going to compare him to Julio Jones (who had the same separation according to your link), the stat that stands out to me is that Julio was only targeted 16 more times than Dez and yet had 19 more receptions and 600 more yards.
Of the receivers targeted more than 130 times, Dez had by far the fewest yards and lowest catch% (along w Mike Evans).
So, do we want a possession receiver who drops a lot of balls (and has a shitty attitude)?
And I also believe Schefter is wrong. I mean it's not like this guy doesn't sling shit.
It's public Dez turns down $7M per season from the Ravens (I haven't seen guarantees), so after that no one even would pay him 900,000 non-guaranteed until he makes the roster?
I'm skeptical.
I was thinking the same thing. "Not interested" is not the the same thing as "wouldn't sign him for the league minimum"
And if you're going to compare him to Julio Jones (who had the same separation according to your link), the stat that stands out to me is that Julio was only targeted 16 more times than Dez and yet had 19 more receptions and 600 more yards.
Of the receivers targeted more than 130 times, Dez had by far the fewest yards and lowest catch% (along w Mike Evans).
So, do we want a possession receiver who drops a lot of balls (and has a shitty attitude)?
All true. But QB play and o-line protection also play a big part - the longer the QB has to throw, the more separation I would expect a receiver to be able to get. Gronk is low on that list, one of the factors is that Brady gets rid of the ball so quickly.
I also don't know what to make of a list where Albert Wilson is #1 in the league. Common sense is he's just not that good. In general, I don't see much linkage between leaders on that separation stat... and overall production levels, right?
What is interesting is that 3 Chiefs receivers were near the top of that list... and Alex Smith still wasn't able to have a great passing season (he certainly generated a lot with his legs though). Skins may end up massively disappointed.
Bottom line, i just think with Dez, the cons outweigh the pros, even at league min.
Bottom line, i just think with Dez, the cons outweigh the pros, even at league min.
IMO that's a better argument than simply making a case against his on-field production. especially with the role he'd play on the Giants.
I'm more of a root for laundry guy, if someone isn't suspended by the league he can play for my team.
And like I said, I feel like locker room "stuff" comes with winning.
I remember when Strahan was a media enemy and viewed by some as a cancer in the locker room, he could be the poster child for how winning can turn an image into a massive career rebirth.
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someone from Dallas FO mention that he couldnt win one on ones anymore and his release was performance based. Id assume the NFC East is particularly well aware of that fact. I say dont sign him for a nickel
They're right - and that's why he was released.
The WR's DAL has are awful. Terrance Williams, Cole Beasley, Brice Butler, Tavon Austin...
If Dez could still play at a high level, he'd still be there.
It was trendy to blame Prescott for his struggles, but Dak isn't his problem nearly as much as his own body is.
We can get similar production out of a younger guy without the same history of being a prick.
Funny you say that about Cole Beasley...we couldn't cover him if he was running in loafers.
I think Engram will get plenty of burn outside with Ellison inline and Shep in the slot. And Greg is right, Shepard is a slot receiver and would be miscast outside.
Engram absolutely can play out there, along with Latimer or Lewis or whoever wins the competition. We only need that guy to be a 4th option...you don't need Calvin Johnson out there.
Beasley's unstoppable:
2016 game 1: 8 rec, 12 tgts, 65 yds, 5.42 y/tgt
2016 game 2: 4 rec, 7 tgts, 41 yds, 5.86 y/tgt
2016 Totals: 12 rec, 19 tgts, 106 yds, 5.58 y/tgt
2017 game 1: 3 rec, 5 tgts, 32 yds, 6.4 y/tgt
2017 game 2: 3 rec, 5 tgts, 59 yds, 11.8 y/tgt
2017 Totals: 6 rec, 10 tgts, 91 yds, 9.1 y/tgt
And his per game averages:
4.5 rec, 7.25 tgts, 49.25 yds, 6.79 y/t
You'll notice that TDs aren't listed. I didn't omit them to make an argument, he hasn't scored against the Giants in 4 games.
In short, Beasley doesn't catch a ton of passes and when he does he does little with the ball.
When you're talking about fractions of yards, I would say yes, without a doubt. In other words, the stat isn't worth much.
Let's compare him with Brandon Marshall (who's much closer to a HOFer). Last year, Marshall was closer to his last great season than Dez is now.
Marshall was only one year removed from a great season ('15), whereas Dez's last elite season was '14.
To paraphrase Jets LB
Couldn't catch a cold.
Let's compare him with Brandon Marshall (who's much closer to a HOFer). Last year, Marshall was closer to his last great season than Dez is now.
Marshall was only one year removed from a great season ('15), whereas Dez's last elite season was '14.
Agree wasn't comparing Strahan and Dez literally, simply the fact that losing highlights negatives and brings out the worst in everyone, and winning tends to be like a rising tide, it lifts all ships.
Other than sucking, Marshall didn't cause any issues that I'm aware of, did he?
So, if the only risk in a Dez signing is he'd suck (based on Marshall), aka be like Roger Lewis or Cody Latimer, I fail to see the hesitation.
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Strahan was a perennial pro bowler, one of the best DEs in the game (why he's obviously a HOFer). Dez hasn't been elite for 4 years (he's no where near a HOFer) and he's much more of an asshole than Strahan ever was.
Let's compare him with Brandon Marshall (who's much closer to a HOFer). Last year, Marshall was closer to his last great season than Dez is now.
Marshall was only one year removed from a great season ('15), whereas Dez's last elite season was '14.
Agree wasn't comparing Strahan and Dez literally, simply the fact that losing highlights negatives and brings out the worst in everyone, and winning tends to be like a rising tide, it lifts all ships.
Other than sucking, Marshall didn't cause any issues that I'm aware of, did he?
So, if the only risk in a Dez signing is he'd suck (based on Marshall), aka be like Roger Lewis or Cody Latimer, I fail to see the hesitation.
Pj, I think your so spot on in this thread.
Sign him to a no risk, 1 year, vet minimum contract with various guaranteed money in incentives. Trouble in training camp? See ya.
He's exactly what you need opposite Beckham.