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Jim in Forest Hills : 5/2/2018 5:00 pm
Watching "Rookie, welcome to the NFL" last night they showed inside the green room when the draft started.

Once Baker Mayfield got drafted, Barkley said "This might actually be not good for me."

He then specifically said because "NY would take Darnold."

He didn't mention Rosen, Allen or Chubb, just that he thought Darnold would go to the Giants. So either he had some conviction that Darnold was the other top choice or his agent did. Take it for what you will, thought it was a clue into who the Giants were interested in.
According to JonC  
Jay on the Island : 5/2/2018 5:10 pm : link
The #2 pick would be Barkley, Chubb, Darnold in that order.
That can be what the Giants told him  
George from PA : 5/2/2018 5:12 pm : link
So Cleveland might think Barkely would be available at 4
RE: According to JonC  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13951405 Jay on the Island said:
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The #2 pick would be Barkley, Chubb, Darnold in that order.


That's sort of stupid to say for the #2 pick isn't it?

So then it would be Barkley or Chubb if it's the #2 pick right?

Darnold could never be the pick.
RE: RE: According to JonC  
widmerseyebrow : 5/2/2018 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13951411 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13951405 Jay on the Island said:


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The #2 pick would be Barkley, Chubb, Darnold in that order.



That's sort of stupid to say for the #2 pick isn't it?

So then it would be Barkley or Chubb if it's the #2 pick right?

Darnold could never be the pick.


Was just about to say. Why not have Jerry Seinfeld as your third option at pick 2?
Darnold was on the board  
sharpshooter66 : 5/2/2018 5:37 pm : link
and the Giants ran to the podium to pick him. We werent taking Darnold
This series is pretty  
ryanmkeane : 5/2/2018 5:45 pm : link
awesome...pretty cool to see the reaction at the tables of Barkley and Chubb's camp as it was going down. When Cleveland took Mayfield, the Giants IMMEDIATELY called Barkley and his reaction getting the call...just awesome stuff.
I was definitely pro QB  
Shirk130 : 5/2/2018 5:53 pm : link
but after watching the show it's hard not to be excited about Saquon. He seems like a great kid.
Glad it appears that the Giants had virtually no interest in  
bradshaw44 : 5/2/2018 5:54 pm : link
Rosen.
RE: Glad it appears that the Giants had virtually no interest in  
eric2425ny : 5/2/2018 5:56 pm : link
In comment 13951472 bradshaw44 said:
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Rosen.


Outside of the injury issues, just not the right personality for NY.
If We Had a Top Three Grade On Darnold  
Giants34 : 5/2/2018 5:59 pm : link
Yet Passed Him Up, that makes no sense to me. It's fine if you're not in love with a QB. At that point, I get passing up the QBs. But I don't get passing up Darnold if he's earned a top 3 grade on your board. Granted, I have no idea what the grades were (and I know Gettleman said that Barkley earned a perfect grade), but I have a difficult time believing that Darnold was so far down the board that he wasn't within sight of Barkley. At that point, the move to make was Darnold, not Barkley. Just my two cents.
Giants34  
ryanmkeane : 5/2/2018 6:03 pm : link
it's clear that the Giants have a strategy to maximize the roster for the next 2-3 seasons and see if Webb or Lauletta can develop into a really good QB. If one of them does, the Barley pick will be a no brainer.
RE: Giants34  
Giants34 : 5/2/2018 6:23 pm : link
In comment 13951488 ryanmkeane said:
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it's clear that the Giants have a strategy to maximize the roster for the next 2-3 seasons and see if Webb or Lauletta can develop into a really good QB. If one of them does, the Barley pick will be a no brainer.


Maybe I should quit my job and play Powerball. Or a better analogy might be banking retirement on winning the lottery. If I hit on the Powerball, quitting my job will look like a no brainer. In the more unlikely event that I do not win, it will look pretty stupid.

Do the Giants have a better chance of hitting on Webb or Lauletta than Powerball odds? Sure. But the odds are stacked against Webb or Lauletta becoming a long term starting QB, let alone a franchise QB. So if that is what the Giants are aiming for, it's tantamount to playing the lottery with the QB position rather than planning for the future with a coherent strategy. And, because we have talent on this team, we aren't going to bottom out completely the way other teams have. So we are going to end up in a perpetual state of mediocrity, which will prevent us from landing at the top of the draft or getting the franchise QB we need. Sure, one could fall in our laps, but that would again be the exception rather than the rule.
RE: RE: Giants34  
allstarjim : 5/2/2018 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13951513 Giants34 said:
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In comment 13951488 ryanmkeane said:


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it's clear that the Giants have a strategy to maximize the roster for the next 2-3 seasons and see if Webb or Lauletta can develop into a really good QB. If one of them does, the Barley pick will be a no brainer.



Maybe I should quit my job and play Powerball. Or a better analogy might be banking retirement on winning the lottery. If I hit on the Powerball, quitting my job will look like a no brainer. In the more unlikely event that I do not win, it will look pretty stupid.

Do the Giants have a better chance of hitting on Webb or Lauletta than Powerball odds? Sure. But the odds are stacked against Webb or Lauletta becoming a long term starting QB, let alone a franchise QB. So if that is what the Giants are aiming for, it's tantamount to playing the lottery with the QB position rather than planning for the future with a coherent strategy. And, because we have talent on this team, we aren't going to bottom out completely the way other teams have. So we are going to end up in a perpetual state of mediocrity, which will prevent us from landing at the top of the draft or getting the franchise QB we need. Sure, one could fall in our laps, but that would again be the exception rather than the rule.


Get a grip. Perpetual state of mediocrity? You mean kind of like the Detroit Lions? There are a lot of times that ended up that way after using premium picks on QBs. The important thing is to get it right. Sam Darnold (and I'm a fan of his) is not a guarantee to pan out to be a perennial playoff QB. It might as well be us with a stout defense, the game's best WR, and one of the best RBs in the game. Stop the run and run the ball...has worked for a long time.
RE: RE: RE: Giants34  
sharpshooter66 : 5/2/2018 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13951566 allstarjim said:
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In comment 13951488 ryanmkeane said:


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it's clear that the Giants have a strategy to maximize the roster for the next 2-3 seasons and see if Webb or Lauletta can develop into a really good QB. If one of them does, the Barley pick will be a no brainer.



Maybe I should quit my job and play Powerball. Or a better analogy might be banking retirement on winning the lottery. If I hit on the Powerball, quitting my job will look like a no brainer. In the more unlikely event that I do not win, it will look pretty stupid.

Do the Giants have a better chance of hitting on Webb or Lauletta than Powerball odds? Sure. But the odds are stacked against Webb or Lauletta becoming a long term starting QB, let alone a franchise QB. So if that is what the Giants are aiming for, it's tantamount to playing the lottery with the QB position rather than planning for the future with a coherent strategy. And, because we have talent on this team, we aren't going to bottom out completely the way other teams have. So we are going to end up in a perpetual state of mediocrity, which will prevent us from landing at the top of the draft or getting the franchise QB we need. Sure, one could fall in our laps, but that would again be the exception rather than the rule.



Get a grip. Perpetual state of mediocrity? You mean kind of like the Detroit Lions? There are a lot of times that ended up that way after using premium picks on QBs. The important thing is to get it right. Sam Darnold (and I'm a fan of his) is not a guarantee to pan out to be a perennial playoff QB. It might as well be us with a stout defense, the game's best WR, and one of the best RBs in the game. Stop the run and run the ball...has worked for a long time.


The important thing is to not put all the pressure on a QB and make sure you have a complete team.. You do that by not passing up superior talent to reach for positional needs.
Yes because if Darnold was the #3  
section125 : 5/2/2018 9:20 pm : link
grade, why would you take your #1 or #2 before him.
RE: Yes because if Darnold was the #3  
Giants34 : 5/2/2018 9:38 pm : link
In comment 13951826 section125 said:
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grade, why would you take your #1 or #2 before him.


QB is the hardest position to fill. It just is. It supersedes all other positions, especially RBs. If the grades were remotely close - and I bet Darnold was in the vicinity - you should always err on the side of the QB.

There is a reason QBs get taken high in the draft year after year - and that is because of their particular importance to the success of NFL teams. If you don't have one, you need one. There is simply no way around it.
RE: Darnold was on the board  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/2/2018 11:18 pm : link
In comment 13951451 sharpshooter66 said:
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and the Giants ran to the podium to pick him. We werent taking Darnold


Doofus Darnold? Let The Jets deal with Sanchez 2.0.
To be clear, I believe it was Barkley, Chubb, and Darnold  
JonC : 5/3/2018 8:26 am : link
and then Nelson, but the Darnold component remains unconfirmed.

Barkley and then Chubb was constant from the first word back in early March, Nelson would've been a target only after a trade down.
RE: Giants34  
ron mexico : 5/3/2018 8:33 am : link
In comment 13951488 ryanmkeane said:
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it's clear that the Giants have a strategy to maximize the roster for the next 2-3 seasons and see if Webb or Lauletta can develop into a really good QB. If one of them does, the Barley pick will be a no brainer.


I think the strategy is to put together the best roster possible every year. This is a year to year league. You assemble the best team you can every year without putting yourself in future year cap hell.
Saquon reaction after Mayfield announced is must see TV...  
the mike : 5/3/2018 9:14 am : link
Watching this series though makes it so head scratching what the Browns were thinking - they could have had both Barkley and Chubb? Dorsey needs to have his head examined... Both of these guys will be pro bowl players for the next decade. And both are not just positional players - they are a higher standard of excellence as human beings and leaders of men.

Those who look at Saquon as merely a running back grossly misunderstand his value in terms of raising the excellence of everyone on the team. Just as LT did in 1981, everyone becomes a better version of themselves when they are joined and inspired by transformational people like LT and Saquon.
It's a pretty massive assumption right there  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2018 9:16 am : link
to claim he would have the same impact on the team around him as LT.
RE: It's a pretty massive assumption right there  
the mike : 5/3/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13952286 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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to claim he would have the same impact on the team around him as LT.


No doubt and it is just potential at this point... but I wouldn't bet against it. I am as awed by Barkley as I was in 1981 when I saw that first pre-season game and what we had on the field with Taylor...

Fitting and Ironic that we open our pre-season with Cleveland...
Anyone have a link  
DigitaLx2001 : 5/3/2018 1:50 pm : link
To the video of him at the draft? Was out of town, only listened on the radio while driving.
RE: RE: Yes because if Darnold was the #3  
Brown Recluse : 5/3/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13951869 Giants34 said:
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grade, why would you take your #1 or #2 before him.



QB is the hardest position to fill. It just is. It supersedes all other positions, especially RBs. If the grades were remotely close - and I bet Darnold was in the vicinity - you should always err on the side of the QB.

There is a reason QBs get taken high in the draft year after year - and that is because of their particular importance to the success of NFL teams. If you don't have one, you need one. There is simply no way around it.


Blah blah blah. Broken record. Beaten drum. Dead horse.
RE: Glad it appears that the Giants had virtually no interest in  
OntheRoad : 5/3/2018 7:57 pm : link
In comment 13951472 bradshaw44 said:
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Rosen.


I am getting the vibe that Rosen is Jeff George for better or worse. Will see how that plays out.
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