Last year he was a regular in the offseason program and a voice often heard from during it. This year, I'm not sure what his participation has been (I recall reading he showed up the first day and hasn't been seen much since). And as much as I realize the differences between DEs in a 3-4 vs DEs in a 4-3, BJ Hill still strikes me as much more DT than DE (even in a 3-4).
Going into year three on a five year deal, are the Giants planning for this being his last with the team?
Resting on the beach, or weight room, whatever, sleeping, hehehe fine w me.
Or his relatively bargain contract is a little nudge for a revision...he deserves more $$$.
Run him out of town why don’t you... who gives a fuck if Snacks is there in April, are you fucking kidding me? Soon as he hurts an ACL at one of these things we are done. See you week 1 Snacks. Terps cares about you showing up when it is unimportant, the rest of us know you will show up every game day
He’s also just had his first son. I don’t blame him for wanting to spend as much time with him as he can. Before the mandatory camps
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If he didn't have an excuse, it's a horseshit move from him not to show up. New coaches, new defensive scheme, and the fucking team was 3-13 last year. He's a great player, but what the fuck?
Run him out of town why don’t you... who gives a fuck if Snacks is there in April, are you fucking kidding me? Soon as he hurts an ACL at one of these things we are done. See you week 1 Snacks. Terps cares about you showing up when it is unimportant, the rest of us know you will show up every game day
Then why should any of them show up?
Weak rationalizations for what's been a weak, leaderless group of players.
Then he says recently that he didn't want to step up and be a leader last year because he knew what kind of season we were going to have? WTF? That might be the worst reason I ever heard. So, you will only step up and lead when it is easy or you have a successful team? Leadership doesn't have an off switch. And, if anything, if he saw this from the early stages then why didn't he try to correct it?
I like Snacks. I think he is a great player. He seems like a cool dude but that was some bullshit. Not everybody needs to be a leader but don't start saying you would have stepped up if it was ideal. He seems like he is not a problem in the locker room but I don't look at him as a leader of this team. I was very disappointed last season and how much these guys were talking.
I am usually 100% in disagreement with GoTerps' opinion on voluntary workouts but in this case I agree. Show up and get to work with a new staff and show your commitment.
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If he didn't have an excuse, it's a horseshit move from him not to show up. New coaches, new defensive scheme, and the fucking team was 3-13 last year. He's a great player, but what the fuck?
Run him out of town why don’t you... who gives a fuck if Snacks is there in April, are you fucking kidding me? Soon as he hurts an ACL at one of these things we are done. See you week 1 Snacks. Terps cares about you showing up when it is unimportant, the rest of us know you will show up every game day
Then why should any of them show up?
Weak rationalizations for what's been a weak, leaderless group of players.
He is year in and year out the best run defender in all of football by a MILE! The rest of them haven’t done shit. But cut Snacks some slack. Kill Flowers for not showing up, yes it’s different.
I don't think it is. Flowers, Harrison, Eli, everybody all have the one number in common that counts: 3-13. It was horseshit last year when Beckham and Vernon didn't show, and it's horseshit now with Harrison and Flowers.
also remember he has that chronic knee issue. he's probably managing it and if he isn't going to participate it makes no sense to make him be there for voluntary things.
Why be a leader when you get paid even if you lose? And quite a few did not even lose their jobs until Ben and Jerry were shown the exit.
He goes out of his way to say he isn’t a leader....
Always the contrarian :)
He's a leader. If you don't know that, probably not clear on the concept
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be accomplished when it's actually time to go to work. Especially not a guy who's going to play 3-4 Nose Tackle.
Always the contrarian :)
I've been pretty consistent on the issue of fans being outraged that players don't show up to work when they're not obligated to. I think it's silly. It happens every year. When the team wins, nobody keeps track. When the customers are unhappy, everyone is watching the attendance card like hall monitors and insisting it's a vital part of building a winning team.
Damon Harrison knows what is job is next year. When they start to practice professional football is when I'll start to care about his whereabouts on his personal time.
Then he says recently that he didn't want to step up and be a leader last year because he knew what kind of season we were going to have? WTF? That might be the worst reason I ever heard. So, you will only step up and lead when it is easy or you have a successful team? Leadership doesn't have an off switch. And, if anything, if he saw this from the early stages then why didn't he try to correct it?
I like Snacks. I think he is a great player. He seems like a cool dude but that was some bullshit. Not everybody needs to be a leader but don't start saying you would have stepped up if it was ideal. He seems like he is not a problem in the locker room but I don't look at him as a leader of this team. I was very disappointed last season and how much these guys were talking.
I am usually 100% in disagreement with GoTerps' opinion on voluntary workouts but in this case I agree. Show up and get to work with a new staff and show your commitment.
I sort of agree at least about snacks being weird here but I don’t have the energy to care that much and will give him the benefit of the doubt. He’s no leader that’s for sure but he’s a beast. Fine with me. I’ll say this we better take advantage of his play sooner than later because he doesn’t seem long for the nfl. He plays a tough position and seems annoyed lol.
I can’t blame players for getting a little pissy when former players blast the team but snacks should have just taken the high road rather than say that kind of shit. And you guys know me I couldn’t care less what these guys say to the press or on social media more often than not.
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After 3-13, the way it went down with the GM/HC firings, and a divisional foe winning it all, I would have hoped "pure embarrassment" should have gotten everybody into voluntary camp though...
Then he says recently that he didn't want to step up and be a leader last year because he knew what kind of season we were going to have? WTF? That might be the worst reason I ever heard. So, you will only step up and lead when it is easy or you have a successful team? Leadership doesn't have an off switch. And, if anything, if he saw this from the early stages then why didn't he try to correct it?
I like Snacks. I think he is a great player. He seems like a cool dude but that was some bullshit. Not everybody needs to be a leader but don't start saying you would have stepped up if it was ideal. He seems like he is not a problem in the locker room but I don't look at him as a leader of this team. I was very disappointed last season and how much these guys were talking.
I am usually 100% in disagreement with GoTerps' opinion on voluntary workouts but in this case I agree. Show up and get to work with a new staff and show your commitment.
And I tend to agree that something may be up and in fact, Snacks is the type of guy DG won't stand for if he doesn't go all in. He's very expensive, we drafted two DL and signed one. I would hate to lose him but this shit drives me nuts. SHOW THE FUCK UP.
He's earned the right to not be here. And he has been in camp. it's not like he didn't show at all.
This is true. But when they renegotiate the CBA, they need to establish whatever agreed upon off-season events as mandatory attendance by everyone on the roster... Perhaps a one week mini-camp in May/June to integrate the draftees and free agents?
While I am outraged by Flowers missing, I can't get too worked up when someone as dedicated as Snacks misses even though I agree he should be there. These so called "voluntary" events simply need to be eliminated in the next CBA...
Snacks talks a big game - I remember him making comments how he'd never let anyone slack off around him. And then last year, he basically says he mailed it in when he noticed his teammates weren't all in.
So which is it Snacks? Talking out of both sides of his mouth.
He's a great player and he will be fine, but he needs to be there. Shurmur put it nicely: it's voluntary, but very necessary.
If you have little ones, you can appreciate the fact that dues to job requirements - you are going to miss out on a lot of those special moments. Ideally, you'd want every player at every event - but, I doubt it is the end of the world as some are making it out to be.
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Is a business for the owners and the players the rules have changed some for the players some are just going by the rules others are still doing the good guy act. In a few years from now these camps may go away completely why because it’s not in the interest of the players. Ownership is willing to let the players have more time away from the game so they don’t spend more money is this a help or problem for the game who knows. What’s for sure is that more and more players will start skipping the non mandatory events in the future.
This is true. But when they renegotiate the CBA, they need to establish whatever agreed upon off-season events as mandatory attendance by everyone on the roster... Perhaps a one week mini-camp in May/June to integrate the draftees and free agents?
While I am outraged by Flowers missing, I can't get too worked up when someone as dedicated as Snacks misses even though I agree he should be there. These so called "voluntary" events simply need to be eliminated in the next CBA...
The owners and players can have it both ways. They just need to structure the contracts accordingly. Attach a monetary bonus to every activity. The Players Union can hold firm with the voluntary activities. Players get paid when they show up.
If a player is fringe bottom of the roster, then you don't have to incentivize their participation. Their motivation will be to make the roster and continue their career. Players that are starters with a secure roster spot should be allowed to make their choice. If they miss the work, then they miss the money.
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Is a business for the owners and the players the rules have changed some for the players some are just going by the rules others are still doing the good guy act. In a few years from now these camps may go away completely why because it’s not in the interest of the players. Ownership is willing to let the players have more time away from the game so they don’t spend more money is this a help or problem for the game who knows. What’s for sure is that more and more players will start skipping the non mandatory events in the future.
This is true. But when they renegotiate the CBA, they need to establish whatever agreed upon off-season events as mandatory attendance by everyone on the roster... Perhaps a one week mini-camp in May/June to integrate the draftees and free agents?
While I am outraged by Flowers missing, I can't get too worked up when someone as dedicated as Snacks misses even though I agree he should be there. These so called "voluntary" events simply need to be eliminated in the next CBA...
The owners and players can have it both ways. They just need to structure the contracts accordingly. Attach a monetary bonus to every activity. The Players Union can hold firm with the voluntary activities. Players get paid when they show up.
If a player is fringe bottom of the roster, then you don't have to incentivize their participation. Their motivation will be to make the roster and continue their career. Players that are starters with a secure roster spot should be allowed to make their choice. If they miss the work, then they miss the money.
The problem is that these activities are maximized if and only if everyone attends - it is a team game and activities are there to establish team engagement and mutual development. Guys like Snacks/Vernon/Odell will always forego the chump change to attend these events... and that hurts everyone involved. Only solution is to reduce the number of events but make their attendance mandatory.
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Kill Flowers for not showing up, yes it’s different.
I don't think it is. Flowers, Harrison, Eli, everybody all have the one number in common that counts: 3-13. It was horseshit last year when Beckham and Vernon didn't show, and it's horseshit now with Harrison and Flowers.
I don't know why you bother to root for a team that you hate so much.
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Kill Flowers for not showing up, yes it’s different.
I don't think it is. Flowers, Harrison, Eli, everybody all have the one number in common that counts: 3-13. It was horseshit last year when Beckham and Vernon didn't show, and it's horseshit now with Harrison and Flowers.
I don't know why you bother to root for a team that you hate so much.
He is getting worse everyday. Could you imagine having to watch a game with him?
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Kill Flowers for not showing up, yes it’s different.
I don't think it is. Flowers, Harrison, Eli, everybody all have the one number in common that counts: 3-13. It was horseshit last year when Beckham and Vernon didn't show, and it's horseshit now with Harrison and Flowers.
I don't know why you bother to root for a team that you hate so much.
I don't know why you'd feel good about this team given the sorry football they've subjected us to.
[]He’s also just had his first son. I don’t blame him for wanting to spend as much time with him as he can. Before the mandatory camps[/b]
Haven't gotten through the rest of the thread yet but if this post hasn't been pointed out multiple times it should've been. Particularly the bold part. If that's the case, then I 100% support him not being there.
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Maybe not for the Voluntary workouts. But he’s been going by there off and on. He was just at the stadium Monday. If you follow him on Instagram, you would know that.
[]He’s also just had his first son. I don’t blame him for wanting to spend as much time with him as he can. Before the mandatory camps[/b]
Haven't gotten through the rest of the thread yet but if this post hasn't been pointed out multiple times it should've been. Particularly the bold part. If that's the case, then I 100% support him not being there.
Wow... it looks like very few actually saw this post.