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Is Tiki Barber a hall of famer?

Breeze_94 : 5/2/2018 10:26 pm
Looking back on his career, it feels like he is really under appreciated. That probably has something to do with his antics/leaving the team on a bad note, but he had one of the greatest 7 year runs any RB has ever had.

He had 1400 plus yards from scrim in each of his final 7 years, and averaged over 2000 yards from scrimmage in his final 5 years, including 2390 in 2005, the 3rd best single season total of all time.

There was 4 times where he had a 200 yard game in a late season game to help propel the Giants to the playoffs. One against the Raiders week 17 of 2005. One against KC in 05' in a late season Saturday afternoon game, one against the Eagles in a win and in week 17 game in 2002, and one against the Redskins in his final regular season game in 2006 which was also a win and in game.

He is 13th all time in yards from scrimmage, the only guy not in the hall of fame that is in front of him is the still active Frank Gore. If he played one or two more seasons (and he could've because he walked away from the game at his peak) he would easily be top 5-7 of all time in yards from scrimmage.

I know his career wasn't incredibly long, but he still had one of the greatest 7 year peaks that has ever been seen from a RB. And 7 years is a pretty long time for a RB, especially when you consider he had 3-4 decent years before he became the lead back.

He may be a jerk, but I think he should be a hall of famer. One of the most underrated players of the last 25 years.
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He was on his way  
Anakim : 5/2/2018 10:28 pm : link
If he had played a few more years at his level, I think he could've gotten in
Yes....  
bw in dc : 5/2/2018 10:28 pm : link
It’s time for him to be recognized for an outstanding career. A guy who struggled to find his identity, worked hard at his game, and became one of the great all-around RBs of his era.

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arcarsenal : 5/2/2018 10:31 pm : link
No. He would have been if he played a few more years. He literally walked away from the game at his peak. He was in the midst of some absolutely incredible seasons. But he needed a few more like that to really be a HoF'er.
RE: He was on his way  
bradshaw44 : 5/2/2018 10:32 pm : link
In comment 13951965 Anakim said:
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If he had played a few more years at his level, I think he could've gotten in


This. He needed more years under his belt.
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arcarsenal : 5/2/2018 10:34 pm : link
Barber was really just a 3rd down back and punt/kick returner for the first 3 seasons of his career. He did very little as a rusher.

2000 was his breakout year.

Barber had 5 elite/upper echelon seasons. The 2004-2006 stretch he was one of the best RB's in all of football - he was probably the best offensive player in the league in 2005.

But it's not enough. He needed to do that for another couple years. He won't get in with the resume he has.
Yes  
Iamhagg1 : 5/2/2018 10:35 pm : link
Top 15 in YFS. Jerome Bettis somehow made it without better numbers.
If Terrell Davis is then yes  
bubba0825 : 5/2/2018 10:37 pm : link
. It’s not even that close
Needed two more years  
section125 : 5/2/2018 10:39 pm : link
and a definite. Even 1 more with the SB and probably makes it.
More stats  
Breeze_94 : 5/2/2018 10:43 pm : link
Tiki surpassed 2000 YFS 3X in his career, and came up 16 yards short of doing it a 4th time (had 1984 YFS in 2002).

By comparison, Adrian Peterson had more than 2000 YFS just 1x in his career, and never had more than 1900 in any other season.

Ladanian Tomlinson had the same amount of 2000 + yard season as Tiki did.

Barry Sanders only surpassed 2000 YFS 2x in his career.

And as the poster above said, Terrell Davis only had a 4 year peak and still made it. Outside of the 4 years, he only had 1500 yards combined in the rest of his NFL career.
If he played the 2007 season  
arniefez : 5/2/2018 10:44 pm : link
and put up his 2006 numbers and won a Super Bowl he would have been.
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bw in dc : 5/2/2018 10:45 pm : link
In comment 13951970 arcarsenal said:
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No. He would have been if he played a few more years. He literally walked away from the game at his peak. He was in the midst of some absolutely incredible seasons. But he needed a few more like that to really be a HoF'er.


All of Barber’s best 5 years are better than Bettis’ 5 years.

He was was a better all around back by a mile.

Floyd Little is in the HoF...  
bw in dc : 5/2/2018 10:46 pm : link
Barber crushes his overrated career.
We wouldn’t have won the Super Bowl in 2007  
bradshaw44 : 5/2/2018 10:57 pm : link
If tiki was on the team. The team got better by addition from subtraction. Tiki gone made the coaches change strategy and play guys like Bradshaw. Another addition by subtraction came when Shockey went down. Coaches change strategy and get Boss involved. The two biggest me guys that even the coaches wanted to force the ball to because they believed they were the total offense. Turned out that letting Eli spread the ball around was the best thing for the team. Tiki being on the team would have kept Us from a lombardi, no doubt.
Tiki's Rosen-esque douchiness  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/2/2018 11:00 pm : link
Keeps him out of the HoF.
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arcarsenal : 5/2/2018 11:07 pm : link
In comment 13951994 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13951970 arcarsenal said:


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No. He would have been if he played a few more years. He literally walked away from the game at his peak. He was in the midst of some absolutely incredible seasons. But he needed a few more like that to really be a HoF'er.



All of Barber’s best 5 years are better than Bettis’ 5 years.

He was was a better all around back by a mile.


I don't even think Bettis should be a HoF'er. He ran the ball like 3500 times and was a massive dude with a bunch of pretty good OL's. Nothing about Bettis really ever impressed me. He was just a big lumbering back in a 3 yards and a cloud of dust era.

I don't think Terrell Davis belongs either.
RE: We wouldn’t have won the Super Bowl in 2007  
section125 : 5/2/2018 11:09 pm : link
In comment 13952009 bradshaw44 said:
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If tiki was on the team. The team got better by addition from subtraction. Tiki gone made the coaches change strategy and play guys like Bradshaw. Another addition by subtraction came when Shockey went down. Coaches change strategy and get Boss involved. The two biggest me guys that even the coaches wanted to force the ball to because they believed they were the total offense. Turned out that letting Eli spread the ball around was the best thing for the team. Tiki being on the team would have kept Us from a lombardi, no doubt.


No doubt? Who knows, but Barber was better than Jacobs or Bradshaw - period. Barber with Jacobs and Bradshaw is a pretty dynamic backfield. Don't quite get taking 1800 to 2200 yards off the field (or more because the team was better) makes it a better team.
Yeah New York Giants Hall of Fame  
Rflairr : 5/2/2018 11:17 pm : link
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Nope  
Joey in VA : 5/2/2018 11:20 pm : link
Not even close.
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bw in dc : 5/2/2018 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13952017 arcarsenal said:
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I don't even think Bettis should be a HoF'er. He ran the ball like 3500 times and was a massive dude with a bunch of pretty good OL's. Nothing about Bettis really ever impressed me. He was just a big lumbering back in a 3 yards and a cloud of dust era.

I don't think Terrell Davis belongs either.


Well, that’s sort of besides the point now. They are in, and a decent comparative cases for Tiki.

The receiving aspect of Tiki’s game is huge in this. You realize he had the same # of receptions as Marcus Allen? More than Walter Payton?

He’s in...
That the team turned around  
BlackLight : 5/2/2018 11:26 pm : link
and won the Super Bowl in the season after he left, hurts his HOF case, in my view.
RE: That the team turned around  
bw in dc : 5/2/2018 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13952040 BlackLight said:
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and won the Super Bowl in the season after he left, hurts his HOF case, in my view.


Did Barber play defense?
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Joey in VA : 5/2/2018 11:48 pm : link
In comment 13952045 bw in dc said:
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and won the Super Bowl in the season after he left, hurts his HOF case, in my view.



Did Barber play defense?
Yes, he used to wear a fat suit and fly to Tampa Bay and call himself Ronde.
Funny that you mentioned Ronde.  
bw in dc : 5/2/2018 11:57 pm : link
He has a very effective, under the radar career at corner.

47 INTs for 8 TDs, with another 12 fumble recoveries for 4 more TDs. So 16 defensive TDs. That’s 3rd all time for a defender behind Sanders and Woodson. Good company to keep there...
RE: HOF  
jamison884 : 5/3/2018 12:07 am : link
I think three factors combine resulting in the lack of a jacket.

1. He retired early and during his prime. A significant amount of NFL HOF'ers played until the moment they simply couldn't any longer and were forced to retire the game they loved with a passion. Retiring early, fairly or unfairly, gives the impression he didn't have the same level of passion/

2. He left his team and then created controversy. Again, fairly or unfairly, this gives the impression he didn't respect his teammates or franchise.

3. The year after he left the team, the team won a SuperBowl.

I believe those three factors combine to block him out.
No chance  
KWALL2 : 5/3/2018 12:08 am : link
Only way you’ll see Tiki up there is presenting his brother.
Good question!  
TC : 5/3/2018 12:14 am : link
Tiki was not even a consideration for that status until Dayne showed up, and he foolishly thought it a threat and got religion.
Nope  
AcesUp : 5/3/2018 12:27 am : link
If he stayed one more year when that OL was truly peaking and we went on our SB run? A no brainer. He would have been the focal point of that offense, had a career season behind a QB reaching his potential and probably went on to be the SB MVP. Dude botched that big time.
I think we are all on the same page.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 5/3/2018 12:34 am : link
Tiki was a monster under Coughlin. He was so good those last 3 years. He needed a couple more seasons and he needed that 2007 Super Bowl ring. The Giants however, didn't need Tiki. Go figure.
No one in the history of the NFL...  
bw in dc : 5/3/2018 12:56 am : link
ever did what Barber did in one five year span:

7,600+ yards rushing and 300 catches.
Strange  
Dragon : 5/3/2018 1:06 am : link
How Tiki is a question mark for the HF after playing exceptionally well for the New York Giants for years. Yet so many Giants today are supposed to be all stars yet interestingly they just suck. I don’t believe he is a first time HF those years left unfinished hurt him but in time he should dawn the gold jacket. The other thing which most give credit to Eli HF case is the lack of super bowl win. He was without a doubt the best player on the field for four or five years for this team and a true NFL superstar.

Today other than Eli the rest of this entire team has many years to empress before being even considered. The next guy who has a chance is OBJ but will he continue his present pace hopefully for our sakes.
RE: No one in the history of the NFL...  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 5/3/2018 1:42 am : link
In comment 13952088 bw in dc said:
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ever did what Barber did in one five year span:

7,600+ yards rushing and 300 catches.


Tomlinson 2002-2006.

7900 yards, 330 catches and 80 TDs.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2018 1:56 am : link
In comment 13952036 bw in dc said:
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I don't even think Bettis should be a HoF'er. He ran the ball like 3500 times and was a massive dude with a bunch of pretty good OL's. Nothing about Bettis really ever impressed me. He was just a big lumbering back in a 3 yards and a cloud of dust era.

I don't think Terrell Davis belongs either.



Well, that’s sort of besides the point now. They are in, and a decent comparative cases for Tiki.

The receiving aspect of Tiki’s game is huge in this. You realize he had the same # of receptions as Marcus Allen? More than Walter Payton?

He’s in...


It’s not as close as you’re suggesting. He’s been nominated about every year since 2013 and simply doesn’t get the votes.
Tiki Trying To Make A Combeack  
TheVette : 5/3/2018 2:18 am : link
What was - sometime in 2010? Think he was working out for the Steelers. He knew he walked away too soon., but was gone too long to get it back.Based on how he left off in 2006 - if he had played 2 more years and gotten over 13K yards, he would be in. Personally - with the way the Giants OL really matured in 2007 - he probably had 3 -4 years left and 15K yards could have been.
Tiki  
Phil in LA : 5/3/2018 2:29 am : link
Is better than some guys who are in. Giants didn’t use him at the goal line much so fewerTDs than most hall of famers.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/3/2018 6:11 am : link
In comment 13951970 arcarsenal said:
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No. He would have been if he played a few more years. He literally walked away from the game at his peak. He was in the midst of some absolutely incredible seasons. But he needed a few more like that to really be a HoF'er.


This.
Yes and I don't think its close.  
SeanLandeta : 5/3/2018 6:16 am : link
His stats are monstrous - including all mentioned above, his YPC are 3rd all time for RBs with over 10,000 yards - behind only Barry Sanders and Jim Brown!

Also, for those saying he didn't play long enough, 10k yds is a longevity benchmark and he achieved that. Sure, more years would have padded all of his stats, but he has enough to be in already. Between the total yds rushing, combined rush/rec yds, avg. YPC, 200 yd games (2nd most all time to OJ Simpson), 2000 yd (combined seasons), etc. he is above many backs already in and right up there with some of the best.

Fans can have a sour opinion of him because of his comments, but his production was there. He belongs in the hall.
RE: RE: No one in the history of the NFL...  
bw in dc : 5/3/2018 6:25 am : link
In comment 13952095 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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In comment 13952088 bw in dc said:


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ever did what Barber did in one five year span:

7,600+ yards rushing and 300 catches.



Tomlinson 2002-2006.

7900 yards, 330 catches and 80 TDs.


Thanks, Tim. Can’t believe I missed that. Well, no one in the NFC... ; )

Still, fairly good company...
Had to check to be sure  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2018 6:31 am : link
But in his years of eligibility, he has never made it to the semifinals of the process. That means he hasn't been able to break into the final 30 eligible players. The ballot records are viewable online.
No  
ZogZerg : 5/3/2018 6:32 am : link
He was a good back and a stat compiler, not a HOFr.
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bw in dc : 5/3/2018 6:40 am : link
In comment 13952099 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It’s not as close as you’re suggesting. He’s been nominated about every year since 2013 and simply doesn’t get the votes.


You certainly have me there. But the voters get things wrong.

And sometimes they correct it (Charles Haley), sometimes they don’t (Sterling Sharpe - his numbers for a seven year career are brilliant; Gale Sayers of WRs).

RE: No  
bw in dc : 5/3/2018 6:43 am : link
In comment 13952125 ZogZerg said:
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He was a good back and a stat compiler, not a HOFr.


Jerome Bettis is a stat compiler. He’s in because he was a fat, loveable, cheery, Santa Claus-like person who had a fun nickname...

Barber was better than him.
Bettis in HOF  
bc4life : 5/3/2018 7:50 am : link
because he's fat, cheery, and nickname? WTF?

RE: Tiki- at the height of his game, Tiki played at a HOF level - so the question - was there enough length to that peak period?

Gotta go back and look at it, the fumble years the buildup years to when he became a great back. One thing Tiki does not get enough credit for is the toughness he developed. He was not the biggest back and he took some major shots and never whined about it, played hurt, etc.
I'd probably say yeah  
bc4life : 5/3/2018 8:00 am : link
1st 3 or so years they had other backs - Wheatley Wat, Gary Brown, Joe Montgomery,

Once he got his chance - although fumbling delayed that a bit, plus one year he tried playing too light (can't remember which one)he made the most of it.

Will probably take him a while but I think he'll get in.
NO  
holmancomedown : 5/3/2018 8:03 am : link
Good running back but he needed at least 2 or 3 more years like the last 3 years of his career to even be considered.
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Big Blue '56 : 5/3/2018 8:04 am : link
In comment 13951994 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13951970 arcarsenal said:


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No. He would have been if he played a few more years. He literally walked away from the game at his peak. He was in the midst of some absolutely incredible seasons. But he needed a few more like that to really be a HoF'er.



All of Barber’s best 5 years are better than Bettis’ 5 years.

He was was a better all around back by a mile.


Bavaro should be in before Tiki. MB’s career was cut short, but his productive years were as long as Tiki’s was
Nope  
Jimmy Googs : 5/3/2018 8:18 am : link
and the argument that someone else of "lesser" stature is already in is weak...
And btw?  
Big Blue '56 : 5/3/2018 8:19 am : link
The best ALL-AROUND TEs in my lifetime in no particular order:

Bavaro, Mackey, Winslow, Ditka, Witten. I know I’m leaving out a few that I petsonally would put on this list
He screwed himself by pulling himself in his prime....  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2018 8:19 am : link
One more season like the previous three (especially if he was part of the SB team), and he would have been in.
Only 3 players have accumulated 10,000 yards rushing/5,000 recieiving  
gmenrule-va : 5/3/2018 8:22 am : link
in their careers. The first two are Marcus Allen and Marshall Falk - - the third is Tiki Barber. So I think he should be in the hall of fame.
RE: He screwed himself by pulling himself in his prime....  
Jimmy Googs : 5/3/2018 8:23 am : link
In comment 13952195 Britt in VA said:
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One more season like the previous three (especially if he was part of the SB team), and he would have been in.


yep
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