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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 3:53 pm
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nice write up  
micky : 5/3/2018 6:15 pm : link
all 3 will be forever compared. Gettlemen better pray that none of those QBs, esp. Darnold doesnt have a long, successful franchise qbs and Barkley just above average qb, and/or Webb or Kyle fail to be that successful heir apparent to Eli. Or, just having to kick that can down the road at QB position for years after.

For the all the hype, expectations, and taken at 2, Barkley to me, based on all this, nothing short of being inducted to the hall of fame would be nothing but a fail..again based on all this hype and expectations by everyone
RE: Nice write-up  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13953337 ZogZerg said:
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However, I think the comparison has to be Barkley vs Darnold. According to sources, Darnold was the highest rated QB on the Giants board. So, if Darnold becomes a top 10 Franchise QB then the Giants F-d up. If Rosen does, then it doesn't really matter since they weren't going to pick him. It just means that they suck at evaluating QBs.

You can't start combining guys like some of you have. You then miss out on Hernandez.


There were many Giants fans who wanted Rosen. If Rosen goes onto be a stud, you had better believe everyone will remember the Giants passed on him. (And passed on the opportunity to trade down and draft him).
I donít care how Darnold does  
Bill L : 5/3/2018 6:18 pm : link
And I wonít wish failure on anyone. It doesnít affect me.

I think what matters is, do we win more. Honestly feel, and I know that itís an isolated view, that wins are somewhere between the most important thing, and the only thing.
RE: Eric/Klaatu  
Klaatu : 5/3/2018 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13953325 Samiam said:
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Klatuu- you go realize these clubs are in business to make money and part of that is selling seat licenses and tickets. A winning team makes a lot more money which helps ownership but is in s better position to sign free agents which helps the team and the fans. I heard the Jets will have a boatload of money to spend next year ($100 million?). Unless the Giants are successful, thatís a problem for management


Have the Giants ever lost money? For that matter, have the Jets?

So, the Jets will have money to spend in FA next year. Big deal. As it was said when Reese went on a spending spree, maybe if they'd drafted better they wouldn't need to spend so much to fill all their holes.
Nice write up Mr Kennedy  
Sec 103 : 5/3/2018 6:19 pm : link
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Eric  
Milton : 5/3/2018 6:31 pm : link
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I took some criticism when I said I had never seen a running back with Barkleyís skill set. He doesnít remind me of any other back Iíve ever seen.
Gale Sayers was before our time, but the highlights of Barkley remind me of the highlights I've seen throughout the years of Sayers. Sayers looks to be a little more upright as he picks his way through traffic, but I think he's the best comparison (based only on highlights, which is lame, I know)....
Gale Sayers highlights.... - ( New Window )
Good write up...  
ryanmkeane : 5/3/2018 6:42 pm : link
pretty much my thoughts as well. I was in the Barkley camp so Iím thrilled they took him. Didnít love the Lauletta pick at first but hey - the more options you have the better the odds are that one of them sticks. And itís not like we are taking a flyer on a late round or UDFA. Some folks had Lauletta over Allen in this draft.

Itís pretty amazing that Gettleman did exactly what he has been saying all along he wanted to do. Run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer. All bases covered in this draft and with some high picks at that.
The Lauletta pick caught me by complete surprise...  
Milton : 5/3/2018 6:43 pm : link
But I immediately loved it!
Milton  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 6:45 pm : link
Sayers comes to mind, but Barkley is bigger and Sayers was like greased lightning.

I'm in the camp that if Sayers had stayed healthy, he would have been the all-time great.
RE: RE: RE: That will be the debate for many years...  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/3/2018 6:50 pm : link
In comment 13953305 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13953212 giants#1 said:


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Chubb/Jones/Guice all went in the 2nd round. Lauletta was a 4th round pick. So if you want to view it like that, then you need to either say:

Barkley/Hernandez/Lauletta vs Rosen (Darnold)/Chubb (Jones/Guice)/Cole Madison (Wyatt Teller)

or
Barkley/Lauletta vs Rosen (Darnold) and Hines (other >4th rd RB)

Unless drafting a QB at #2 would've magically given us an additional 2nd round pick with which to then draft a RB...



I knew this would be confusing for some

There is no additional 2nd round pick suggested. I'm declaring we take a RB, say Chubb, instead Hernandez in the second round. So then you have the QB + RB, in order.

In the third round, don't take Carter. Take Geno Christian instead, a terrific LT prospect out of Louisville.

So we get, in order, QB + RB + OL. And all the players I recommend were available at the time we selected. Thus, there is no re-arranging of the draft order or hoping players would have been there. These players were indeed there...

It's not that simple, because there's always a butterfly effect with this sort of thing, but for the sake of argument, you're still wrong because you're substituting a 3rd round OL in this case for a 4th round QB.

Cool, you don't like the way they chose to draft. They also didn't have the benefit of knowing who would be available in each subsequent round like you do as you make your point now, a week later. MMQBing at its finest.
RE: Some are comparing Barkley's running style to Edgerrin James  
montanagiant : 5/3/2018 6:51 pm : link
In comment 13953202 montanagiant said:
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And Barry Sanders. But I think he most resembles Gale Sayers. The cutbacks, the elusiveness, the burst, the 2nd gear and the toughness. What he does have over Gayle is the pass catching ability Gale Sayers highlights - ( New Window )

How come I got no love when I mentioned Gale Sayers and hour before Milton?
Sheesh!!
RE: RE: Some are comparing Barkley's running style to Edgerrin James  
Milton : 5/3/2018 7:00 pm : link
In comment 13953393 montanagiant said:
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How come I got no love when I mentioned Gale Sayers and hour before Milton?
Sheesh!!
Had I seen your post I would've just added a +1 to it, but I went straight from reading Eric's take to posting my comment!
Barkley vs. Zeke vs. Fournette in 40 yard dash  
youtoo2 : 5/3/2018 7:11 pm : link
Barkley is heavier than them too. I just googled it at 234, he is only 3 pounds lighter than Lawrence Taylor's playing weight. LT ran a 4.5 40. Barkley runs a 4.41

https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/969668807311740929?tfw_creator=VoiceOfTheStar&tfw_site=nfl_cowboys247&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fnfl%2Fdallas-cowboys%2FBolt%2FVIDEO-Saquon-Barkleys-40-yd-dash-superimposed-over-Ezekiel-Elliotts-115756469
Why are people saying Barkley is not a finisher?  
youtoo2 : 5/3/2018 7:15 pm : link
At 234 pounds why are draft analysts saying Barkley is not a finisher like Elliot and Fournette? He is bigger than both of them.
you have to say...  
hitchchops2 : 5/3/2018 7:28 pm : link
...that as a Giants fan I hope Barkley is the second coming, but the fact that he did not dominate at the collegiate level, plus his obvious flaws, make me concerned. I don't have time at the moment to do research, but I believe he had less than 100 yards in the majority of the games last year, and some of his great games were against lower level competition. Additionally, he does not hit the hole hard (that's what she said), and is hesitant to settle for the small gain, always looking for the home run. I think his floor is not terrible, he will be a good returner and great third down back, just not sure he will produce like we hope. The problem is of course we have a QB playing with the proverbial fork sticking out of his back, and that is an unavoidable problem. Oddly enough, I think Lauletta will be the answer, he has that "it" factor about him, but it is still a longshot. Hopefully I am completely wrong, but it is hard to see a RB turning the fortunes of a franchise around in this version of the NFL
youtoo2  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 7:29 pm : link
One of the knocks on Barkley - and he admitted this himself during his presser - was that he tries to hit the homerun too often. Sometimes it's the smart play to take the 3-yard gain and not to attempt to do something that could put you into a 2nd-and-11 situation.
@hitchops2: barkley did dominate in college  
youtoo2 : 5/3/2018 7:41 pm : link
Huh?

Back to back big 10 player of the year. 3 straight thousand yard seasons. He had a shit line. Teams played 8 men in the box against him. He rarely got to past the line untouched.

Odell had far weaker numbers in college than Barkley and he was on a better team. Its not just about numbers in college.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/odell-beckham-jr-1.html

You guys could at least google before declaring Barkley did not dominate in college. 3 straight, 1000 yard seasons. 51 career TDs plus 1 passing. Not everyone has the alabama line around them

I have no insight into PSU's offensive line...  
hitchchops2 : 5/3/2018 7:52 pm : link
...but I strongly suspect that is more lore than reality. But if we accept that as truth, well, I hate to tell you, but he will be running behind a pretty shitty O-line next season, so more of the same for him. Stats in college, as well as player of the year and Heisman votes are utterly irrelevant for a variety of reasons, such as teams making their own schedules. I took a quick peek, and he only had 4 100-yard rushing games last year, and one was against Akron, so that can be discarded. So his 90 something YPG in the Big 10 is not impressive to me.
Eric  
Aloha Alan : 5/3/2018 7:54 pm : link
Great write up and that finish quote by Gettleman was a great ending to explain why it was Barkley not one of the supposedly 5 top QBs (I am including Lamar as he went in the first round).

Thank you for doing this. Your stuff and Sy56's is the reason why this is the Best New York Football Giants Site.

RE: RE: RE: Some are comparing Barkley's running style to Edgerrin James  
montanagiant : 5/3/2018 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13953406 Milton said:
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In comment 13953393 montanagiant said:


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How come I got no love when I mentioned Gale Sayers and hour before Milton?
Sheesh!!

Had I seen your post I would've just added a +1 to it, but I went straight from reading Eric's take to posting my comment!

Just kidding Milton, great minds think alike!
RE: RE: Nice write-up  
Giants34 : 5/3/2018 9:23 pm : link
In comment 13953345 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13953337 ZogZerg said:


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However, I think the comparison has to be Barkley vs Darnold. According to sources, Darnold was the highest rated QB on the Giants board. So, if Darnold becomes a top 10 Franchise QB then the Giants F-d up. If Rosen does, then it doesn't really matter since they weren't going to pick him. It just means that they suck at evaluating QBs.

You can't start combining guys like some of you have. You then miss out on Hernandez.



There were many Giants fans who wanted Rosen. If Rosen goes onto be a stud, you had better believe everyone will remember the Giants passed on him. (And passed on the opportunity to trade down and draft him).


Eric: The Giants did not pass up on the opportunity to trade down AND draft Rosen. Anyone trading up to the two pick was almost certainly doing so to take a QB. That QB was likely Darnold. With Darnold off the board, the Jets would have gone with Rosen, so Rosen would not have fallen anywhere close to 10. Any Giants' trade changes the whole complexion of the draft.

The only chance the Giants would've had at getting Rosen while trading down would have been if Buffalo vaulted up from 12 to 2, took Allen at 2, leaving Darnold for the Jets at 3. Then Rosen starts falling, and teams would be jockeying to trade up for him during his slide. Would Gettleman have given up a pick he got in the Buffalo trade to vault back up and secure Rosen? Not sure. But he certainly would have had to get above Miami to get Rosen, and they would have had to compete with Arizona to deal up.
RE: RE: RE: RE: That will be the debate for many years...  
bw in dc : 5/3/2018 9:29 pm : link
In comment 13953389 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Cool, you don't like the way they chose to draft. They also didn't have the benefit of knowing who would be available in each subsequent round like you do as you make your point now, a week later. MMQBing at its finest.


Yes, I cede the point. This site is a perpetual state of guesswork. We all engage in it.
RE: you have to say...  
T-Bone : 5/3/2018 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13953441 hitchchops2 said:
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...that as a Giants fan I hope Barkley is the second coming, but the fact that he did not dominate at the collegiate level, plus his obvious flaws, make me concerned. I don't have time at the moment to do research, but I believe he had less than 100 yards in the majority of the games last year, and some of his great games were against lower level competition. Additionally, he does not hit the hole hard (that's what she said), and is hesitant to settle for the small gain, always looking for the home run. I think his floor is not terrible, he will be a good returner and great third down back, just not sure he will produce like we hope. The problem is of course we have a QB playing with the proverbial fork sticking out of his back, and that is an unavoidable problem. Oddly enough, I think Lauletta will be the answer, he has that "it" factor about him, but it is still a longshot. Hopefully I am completely wrong, but it is hard to see a RB turning the fortunes of a franchise around in this version of the NFL


😂
Hernandez was a no brainer?  
NewBlue : 5/3/2018 9:48 pm : link
Sy was not a proponent, I don't remember who he was calling for but I remember in draft commentary he thought Hernandez in that spot was a reach
Great Post Eric. Wait a minute . . .  
giantstock : 5/3/2018 9:53 pm : link
Super great post. As for not taking the QB I'm bummed out about thta but excited to see Barkley and OBJ too. That should be fn. On teh days ELi is "on" should be big time fun.

With that said I still don't agree with what you are trying to say about DG or what DG is saying. I love how DG loves a front 7. But all of his other quotes has me believe he's a blockhead that refuses to change with the times. He's scoffing at Analytics and Positional Value and trying to justify by making comments such as below. IMO he "fell in love with Barkley" and wants to resurrect "smash mouth" football. I like it in a way. But I think this quote is more his trying to justify how he wants to play smash mouth. IMO he's in love with "The Barkley style of play" and "METRICS BE DAMNED."

"If you have to try to make yourself fall in love with a player, it is wrong. You will never be happy with the pickÖ At the end of the day, you shouldnít have to talk yourself into a guy. If you talk yourself into a guy, you are making a mistake."
Giants34  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 9:56 pm : link
Except you forget Allen was also in the mix (and the QB Schwartz claims the Giants were interested in... so replace Allen with Rosen). The big question really is what was the very reasonable offer Gettlemen mentioned? And how much lower would we have drafted? #4, #5, #6, or further?
RE: Hernandez was a no brainer?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13953635 NewBlue said:
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Sy was not a proponent, I don't remember who he was calling for but I remember in draft commentary he thought Hernandez in that spot was a reach


I've love Sy and respect him immensely. And he ultimately may be right. But most pundits saw Hernandez as a great fit for the Giants. And the fan base overwhelmingly was pulling for him (not just on BBI...I saw this all over social media).
RE: I have no insight into PSU's offensive line...  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/3/2018 9:59 pm : link
In comment 13953469 hitchchops2 said:
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...but I strongly suspect that is more lore than reality. But if we accept that as truth, well, I hate to tell you, but he will be running behind a pretty shitty O-line next season, so more of the same for him. Stats in college, as well as player of the year and Heisman votes are utterly irrelevant for a variety of reasons, such as teams making their own schedules. I took a quick peek, and he only had 4 100-yard rushing games last year, and one was against Akron, so that can be discarded. So his 90 something YPG in the Big 10 is not impressive to me.

I suppose you have no faith in the two free agent offensive linemen we signed or the one we drafted right outside the first round a week ago?

If the Giants' OL is, in your words, "pretty shitty" this season, that will represent a failure on the part of Gettleman.
Giants34  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2018 9:59 pm : link
Also, I may have missed it, but do we know the Jets would have drafted Rosen?
RE: I'm curious  
djm : 5/3/2018 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13953052 QB Snacks said:
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to see how Odell will react when the spotlight comes off him (if barkley plays as advertised).

Will he be glad it's gone or will he push the envelope even further?


Stop.
I was in the QB at 2 camp  
bluepepper : 5/3/2018 11:09 pm : link
and liked the Lauletta pick but not sure I agree with this part
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Those arguing for a quarterback in round one should not have a problem with the Giants taking a quarterback later in the draft. The team need was still there.

Seems perfectly reasonable to blast the Giants for taking half measures on the QB front instead of going for it. The need wasn't for another backup it was to get Eli's successor.

Again I'm okay with Lauletta but before the draft I was kind of expecting to be ticked if they took a QB in later rounds instead of at 2. I guess my fandom took hold and I just accepted the team's decision but I could see others reacting differently.
RE: Giants34  
Giants34 : 5/3/2018 11:35 pm : link
In comment 13953653 Eric from BBI said:
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Also, I may have missed it, but do we know the Jets would have drafted Rosen?


Eric: I don't know. I do know someone with ties high up in the Jets' organization, and he assumed the QB they were interested in was Rosen, but he also didn't think Darnold would be on the board at that point. I'm also partially basing that off of what Colin said, but he thought the Giants were interested in Rosen, and that proved to be incorrect.

Ultimately, I have no idea. You are also correct that I don't know how far they would have been moving down. If it was to #5, I don't see what would have changed at that point really, as the #2 pick would have been Darnold (I'm guessing), the #3 pick would have been Rosen or Allen, the 4 pick would have been Barkley, and then the 5 pick would have been Chubb, as everyone in the know says that we would have picked Chubb at 2 if Barkley was gone anyway. So even a trade down to 5 doesn't result in our picking a QB, though it does result in our getting extra picks and still getting a premium talent. No one from 6 - 10 was moving up to two, so the next teams that would have entertained the possibility were Miami at 11 and Buffalo at 12.

So, I'm guessing the trade offer was from the Bills, but the hang up was Gettleman's likely insistence on the Bills' 2019 1st round pick. But that is complete speculation on my part. I also believe Gettleman will have to be blown away to ever trade down in a draft, as it seems to be a fundamental tenet of his not to move down. Ever. So, he'll probably require a RGIII type haul to move down, so we'll probably never see a trade down until his tenure as GM is finished here.
Love Sy  
ryanmkeane : 5/4/2018 12:38 am : link
but just because he wasnít in love with Hernandez doesnít mean heís going to be right. I recall he had Connor McDermott as the best tackle prospect from last year. He gets a lot right and some wrong just like everyone else. Everyone seems to be really high on Hernandez except Sy so Iíll tend to agreee with the majority
Itís pretty evident that the only way Giants  
ryanmkeane : 5/4/2018 12:39 am : link
were going to trade the pick was if Barkley went #1
Worrying about a QB when your Franchise QB  
nicky43 : 5/4/2018 6:38 am : link
has 2 years left at least is a waste. You can always trade up in any year to get the next QB you "love". And clearly that trade regardless of costs would be worth it if your research on this new QB supports your love of him.

And lets not forget that the Giants were not exactly in "love" with any of this draft's QBs.

My only gripe with this draft was the QB pick at 4. I see this as a waste but still very pleased and excited with DG's first draft for us.
RE: Worrying about a QB when your Franchise QB  
twostepgiants : 5/4/2018 7:17 am : link
In comment 13953779 nicky43 said:
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has 2 years left at least is a waste. You can always trade up in any year to get the next QB you "love". And clearly that trade regardless of costs would be worth it if your research on this new QB supports your love of him.

And lets not forget that the Giants were not exactly in "love" with any of this draft's QBs.

My only gripe with this draft was the QB pick at 4. I see this as a waste but still very pleased and excited with DG's first draft for us.



You can always trade up huh? I didnt know that was a rule of the NFL Draft?
RE: RE: 1 Major Disagreement  
twostepgiants : 5/4/2018 7:29 am : link
In comment 13953302 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13953286 Samiam said:


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People here often say they donít care what the Jets do and that makes sense from a fan perspective. But look at this from the perspective of the owners and maybe the front office for a second. Even with Barkley the club has significant holes. They could easily by an 8-8 team this year and the next until Eli retires. And, whatís the likelihood that Eliís replacement will be even an above average QB? Hopefully, but weíll be lucky if we get that much.

Now, we gifted Darnold to the Jets. What happens if he becomes the new Eli of New York? I will never stop rooting for the Giants but if Darnold becomes that kind of QB, the Jets will become New Yorkís team and will be way closer to winning it all than the Giants,

What Iím saying is that going forward this could be a multi million business decision. Far from being the safe pick, I think drafting Barkley was the riskier pick.



What, exactly, is New York's team? Do they get special privileges or something? Free theater tickets? Free subway rides? Free burgers at Minetta Tavern?


What do they get money? These 2 teams are competing in the same market space for fans. They will always have their die hards but there are a shit ton of fair weather fans who float back and forth. They watch the games, buy the gear and even go to some games. It can be millions of dollars over time. that can be a profound difference over a decade. It will entirely change the media coverage.

You know why im a Mets fan? The team got good in 1984 right when i was old enough to attend games. My parents werent die hards. They just tool me to see the good fun and exciting team. I grew up during the only 5 years the Mets were New Yorks team. 1986 was amazing. But man how painful the subsequent 1990-current 27 years have been. Especially compared to the Yanks. Theres an entire generation of me.

Thats whats at stake.

And no im not talking about every fan. Im talking about a margin of 10-20% but boy can that swing things.
Like the Barkley pick  
bc4life : 5/4/2018 7:32 am : link
First, Gettleman has made huge strides addressing the Giants' major need - OL. Solder, Omameh, Hernandez. Some lesser but important role players Greco, Halapio, and Mama - who could surprise and become the starting center. RT is still an issue. I bring up the OLine first because you have to look at those moves and Barkley as addressing a major liability - absence of a running game. Could go from a weakness to a strength. This is critical because Eli, who I think has 2-3 seasons left - for sure - needs a running game. Additionally, for the first time since Tiki left - opposing defenses have to actually game plan for Giants' running game. Once that happens - we will really get to use the ton of talent Giant's have in their receiving corps.

I understand the need to plan for post-Eli Giants - but if they did not think the value was there at #2 and absent compelling reason to think Lauletta is not the heir apparent - it makes sense.

RE: trade down. It is reasonable to think that Barkley may be a generational talent. Trading down - Chubb is more of a 4-3 DE and not what one would consider a generational talent. Nelson could be a potential HOF guard - but you don't take either of them over Barkley. Fans act as if no off-season moves had been made - those were analogous to extra picks.

Don't see Carter as boom or bust, at all. We needed an explosive pass rusher. He can do that. We have a very creative, proven DC who uses his players to make the most of their players' strengths. Seems like an ideal pick to me. Will he be a 10+ sack guy - maybe, in fact, probably not. But he will get sacks, add pressure - which is not bad ROI for a 3rd round pick.
RE: Hernandez was a no brainer?  
Klaatu : 5/4/2018 8:25 am : link
In comment 13953635 NewBlue said:
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Sy was not a proponent, I don't remember who he was calling for but I remember in draft commentary he thought Hernandez in that spot was a reach


I won't speak for Sy. If you go back and read his Draft Preview on C/OGs, you'll see that he was a little higher on a few other guys than he was on Hernandez.

However, this is what he posted shortly after the pick was announced:

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Love the commitment to OL here
Sy'56 : 4/27/2018 7:20 pm : link : reply
The weakest components of this team have been drastically altered.

Coaching
Offensive Line
Running game

Here we go.


It doesn't sound like he thought it was a reach. He may have preferred Auburn's Braden Smith, who went three picks later to the Colts, but I doubt he'd fault DG for picking Hernandez at that point in the draft.
RE: Like the Barkley pick  
the mike : 5/4/2018 8:36 am : link
In comment 13953806 bc4life said:
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First, Gettleman has made huge strides addressing the Giants' major need - OL. Solder, Omameh, Hernandez. Some lesser but important role players Greco, Halapio, and Mama - who could surprise and become the starting center. RT is still an issue. I bring up the OLine first because you have to look at those moves and Barkley as addressing a major liability - absence of a running game. Could go from a weakness to a strength. This is critical because Eli, who I think has 2-3 seasons left - for sure - needs a running game. Additionally, for the first time since Tiki left - opposing defenses have to actually game plan for Giants' running game. Once that happens - we will really get to use the ton of talent Giant's have in their receiving corps.

I understand the need to plan for post-Eli Giants - but if they did not think the value was there at #2 and absent compelling reason to think Lauletta is not the heir apparent - it makes sense.

RE: trade down. It is reasonable to think that Barkley may be a generational talent. Trading down - Chubb is more of a 4-3 DE and not what one would consider a generational talent. Nelson could be a potential HOF guard - but you don't take either of them over Barkley. Fans act as if no off-season moves had been made - those were analogous to extra picks.

Don't see Carter as boom or bust, at all. We needed an explosive pass rusher. He can do that. We have a very creative, proven DC who uses his players to make the most of their players' strengths. Seems like an ideal pick to me. Will he be a 10+ sack guy - maybe, in fact, probably not. But he will get sacks, add pressure - which is not bad ROI for a 3rd round pick.


Completely agree - great post!
RE:  
Klaatu : 5/4/2018 8:38 am : link
In comment 13953804 twostepgiants said:
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In comment 13953302 Klaatu said:

What, exactly, is New York's team? Do they get special privileges or something? Free theater tickets? Free subway rides? Free burgers at Minetta Tavern?

What do they get money? These 2 teams are competing in the same market space for fans. They will always have their die hards but there are a shit ton of fair weather fans who float back and forth. They watch the games, buy the gear and even go to some games. It can be millions of dollars over time. that can be a profound difference over a decade. It will entirely change the media coverage.

You know why im a Mets fan? The team got good in 1984 right when i was old enough to attend games. My parents werent die hards. They just tool me to see the good fun and exciting team. I grew up during the only 5 years the Mets were New Yorks team. 1986 was amazing. But man how painful the subsequent 1990-current 27 years have been. Especially compared to the Yanks. Theres an entire generation of me.

Thats whats at stake.

And no im not talking about every fan. Im talking about a margin of 10-20% but boy can that swing things.


And in all that time you haven't changed your allegiance, and neither will the overwhelming majority of Jets or Giants fans, not even if the local media tries to stir up some controversy, as the Daily News (or was it The Post?) did with their Statue of Rex on the back page.

Also, Giants fans are not limited to the New York metro area. There have been so many "transplants" over the years - many of whom post here - that the whole concept of "New York's team" is a non-issue. I'm sorry if some folks get "fraidy-scared" at the thought of a Jets fan talking a little trash, but it doesn't bother me in the least.
Nice write up. I agree with your take. I love Barkley. I wasn't  
Victor in CT : 5/4/2018 9:02 am : link
thrilled that they took a project QB instead of a DB in rdound 4, but I understand the move.

Gettleman's quote is spot on and true of everything in this life.
Had to be the Bills  
Giantfan in skinland : 5/4/2018 9:47 am : link
As I posted previously, it only makes sense that there was very likely something close to what Denver reportedly had agreed to at 5 with Buffalo (assuming Chubb wouldn't be there) available to the Giants at 2. That was 12, 52, and 53 for 5. To move to 2, the Giants would have asked for 12, 21, and 52 or 53. Do the bills give it? I dunno. I think yes (it happens to line up pretty closely on the trade value chart). People can report that the Bills were adamant about not giving up a first, but for that big of a move up, I think they would have had to (and even they would have known this).
Gone are the days of teams lining up 2 deep safeties  
eli4life : 5/4/2018 10:07 am : link
Or should I say I hope they still do.

Good write up to piggy back his personality part my favorite thing was when I think he was talking about his agents and pr group he said he told them if it distracts him from football or working out/training he wonít do it
Eric, I was in the Rosen camp,  
ZogZerg : 5/4/2018 10:34 am : link
but you can't compare Barkley to EVERY pick that was made after him. If they went QB, the Giants were going Darnold (right or wrong). That has to be the comparison down the road. They were never going Rosen, whether I and a bunch of others wanted that.

The Choice was RB vs QB.
Barkely vs Darnold.

We will see how things turn out.
The one thing I would like to know  
mrbiswas : 5/4/2018 10:51 am : link
is what Pat Shurmur's take on the quarterbacks was. I guessed when they hired him that, because of his record with quarterbacks, management might defer to him for the first round pick. We will probably never know.
RE: The one thing I would like to know  
Jimmy Googs : 5/4/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 13954218 mrbiswas said:
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is what Pat Shurmur's take on the quarterbacks was. I guessed when they hired him that, because of his record with quarterbacks, management might defer to him for the first round pick. We will probably never know.


I agree..would be good to know.

My take is Shurmur wanted a QB badly but in now way was he or anybody else convincing enough to Gettleman not to go Barkley. Barkley was great with extremely low risk.

I have a gut feeling Shurmur put pressure on DG to take Lauletta though since he was sitting there high on their board and he wanted more insurance at the position.
** know way  
Jimmy Googs : 5/4/2018 11:12 am : link
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RE: Eric, I was in the Rosen camp,  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/4/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13954185 ZogZerg said:
Quote:
but you can't compare Barkley to EVERY pick that was made after him. If they went QB, the Giants were going Darnold (right or wrong). That has to be the comparison down the road. They were never going Rosen, whether I and a bunch of others wanted that.

The Choice was RB vs QB.
Barkely vs Darnold.

We will see how things turn out.


Sure you can. Is it fair? No. But the comparisons will be made whether we like it or not.
Please,  
Doomster : 5/5/2018 9:11 am : link
stop comparing Barkley to Sayers, when he hasn't run one single down in the NFL......

As with any draft, you are lucky, if two of your picks, usually, the 1st and 2nd, become starters...whether you are drafting 2nd or 32nd.....one should be an instant starter, the other a player with potential....

The Pressure was on DG, because of the drafts of the last 10 seasons, especially after the second round....and how many of our 1st and 2nd picks have we re-signed?

And let's face it, Reese's gift to DG was the 2nd pick in every round, so while everyone is Lady Gaga over the picks, it was a lot easier than picking, let's say 10th or higher.....

As many have said, Barkley, barring injury, should be an instant game changer.....he will improve the OL, just by being on the field.....Hernandez will be replacing a guy who couldn't stay on the field, and that in itself, will be an improvement......but after that, the draft is a crapshoot....I would have gone OL with the third pick....I would NOT have drafted a QB.....I think the qb pick was a waste if this team is supposedly playing for now.....and anyone thinking these DT's are head and shoulders over the likes of Bromley, well it's just wishful thinking....

DG cleaned house....DRC, JPP, Richburg, Pugh, Bromley, Marshall, Robinson, Casillas, Darkwa, Vereen, etc.

Remains to be seen if their replacements are better......

There is this euphoria after every draft.....remember 2009? What a great draft that was! All the needs that it filled.....

This draft, like any draft, only time will tell.....

As Giant fans, we expect with the 2nd and 34th pick, the Giants to hit on both.....it's those after that, that will help to determine the direction this team goes in...

DG's assessment of the QB's was, they weren't that good......time will either bite him and the Giants in the ass(Darnold), or vindicate him(Darnold).....

I just hope we hired the right GM and HC....

As for Shurm, he did coach Cleveland, right? And he got this gig based on one year as an OC?

Just sayin'....

There have been very few posters who have questioned the DG and Shurmer signings......everything is wonderful in Giant country......

Let's hope ownership made the right decision this time.....


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