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nygiants16 : 5/3/2018 5:47 pm
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Doesn’t mean nothing  
Phil in LA : 5/4/2018 9:34 am : link
But individual achievement is more important than his friend’s saying nice things about him.
It's OK to be skeptical of the move  
aimrocky : 5/4/2018 9:36 am : link
Fizdale doesn't have a standout resume, there were better candidates on the market and the Knicks have a track record of making poor decisions.

This is better than landing Mark Jackson, but I'm with Phil on this... I'd have much rather gone with Bud or Blatt. At least Fizdale will be a + with recruiting FA's, when that time comes. His actual coaching acumen remains to be seen.
RE: RE: Bud does have  
steve in ky : 5/4/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13954004 nygiants16 said:
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A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an “is said to have.” He was probably not the third part of the “leadership team” Mills and Perry were looking for.

Was a big fan of D’Antoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdale’s DC. He was hired to be Mike”s but it didn’t work out.



So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?

Player after player talking about him means nothing?


The thing is though is that this team desperately needs to get this HC hire right. Instead of going on potential which may or not pan out (and often doesn't) how about go after the guy who was the 2015 NBA Coach of the Year and who ran the Hawks for five seasons with four straight playoff berths?
RE: Doesn’t mean nothing  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13954021 Phil in LA said:
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But individual achievement is more important than his friend’s saying nice things about him.


The entire Memphis grizzly team was pissed he was fired except for Gasol, that should tell you something right there..
RE: RE: RE: Bud does have  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 9:39 am : link
In comment 13954032 steve in ky said:
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A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an “is said to have.” He was probably not the third part of the “leadership team” Mills and Perry were looking for.

Was a big fan of D’Antoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdale’s DC. He was hired to be Mike”s but it didn’t work out.



So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?

Player after player talking about him means nothing?




The thing is though is that this team desperately needs to get this HC hire right. Instead of going on potential which may or not pan out (and often doesn't) how about go after the guy who was the 2015 NBA Coach of the Year and who ran the Hawks for five seasons with four straight playoff berths?


It doesn't matter unless the Knicks get the right pieces I llace...

Maybe bud didn't want to be patient, maybe he wanted to win right now...
And I get why people want bud  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 9:43 am : link
But calling the Knicks imbeciles for hiring fizdale is a little over the top...

Fiz  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2018 9:59 am : link
is a very solid hire. No complaints here. I probably wouldn't have held to it but Mark Jackson had me considering bailing on the Knicks (until Dolan were gone).
Everyone needs to  
GMEN46 : 5/4/2018 10:00 am : link
Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this year’s pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.
RE: Everyone needs to  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2018 10:02 am : link
In comment 13954082 GMEN46 said:
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Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this year’s pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.


Not even the Knicks are that dumb. If Lebron indicated he wanted to come here if they added XYZ they would add XYZ. They aren't singing "kind of star player X" in order to interest Lebron. One of the first calls of the off-season will be to gauge Lebron's interest and flat out ask him what it would take to have him on board (if anything).
No sources  
giantsfan44ab : 5/4/2018 10:03 am : link
gut just tells me Bud will be the Bucks coach. I don't see the point in arguing Bud until that shakes out. Milwaukee right now is as about a dream situation there is for a coaching candidate.
RE: RE: Everyone needs to  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 13954089 DanMetroMan said:
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Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this year’s pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.



Not even the Knicks are that dumb. If Lebron indicated he wanted to come here if they added XYZ they would add XYZ. They aren't singing "kind of star player X" in order to interest Lebron. One of the first calls of the off-season will be to gauge Lebron's interest and flat out ask him what it would take to have him on board (if anything).


Yup, if lebron says I am coming if you get this guy, you go and get that guy...

You dont go and get that guy and then call lebron...

You have a guy who le Ron will talk to, have him make the call, if lebron says no chance, you stay the course
I'm in favor of holding tight  
giantsfan44ab : 5/4/2018 10:05 am : link
even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
RE: I'm in favor of holding tight  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:06 am : link
In comment 13954107 giantsfan44ab said:
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even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.


Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
Lebron  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2018 10:09 am : link
flat out saying he's coming here if you add Leonard is the one scenario where I am fine dealing KP.
RE: Lebron  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:09 am : link
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flat out saying he's coming here if you add Leonard is the one scenario where I am fine dealing KP.


As much as I would hate it, you have to do it
I really want to see frank with fiz as head coach  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:11 am : link
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If one of the reasons behind hiring this Fritzdale  
ghost718 : 5/4/2018 10:12 am : link
is to recruit Lebron,than they would be better off hiring the next fan who walks out of Penn Station as GM.There thinking is not much different.

If they had any guts,they would have hired someone like Stackhouse
RE: RE: I'm in favor of holding tight  
giantsfan44ab : 5/4/2018 10:12 am : link
In comment 13954109 nygiants16 said:
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even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.



Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi


I think you know what my opinion is on the possibility of that happening :).

Just giving a realistic path I think that they should follow.
RE: RE: RE: I'm in favor of holding tight  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:18 am : link
In comment 13954134 giantsfan44ab said:
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even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.



Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi



I think you know what my opinion is on the possibility of that happening :).

Just giving a realistic path I think that they should follow.


Oh dont get me wrong I think there is zero chance lebron comes
Lebron  
TyreeHelmet : 5/4/2018 10:32 am : link
I just don’t see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.

The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.

The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.

Lastly, I really wish Mills wasn’t still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
RE: Lebron  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 13954184 TyreeHelmet said:
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I just don’t see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.

The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.

The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.

Lastly, I really wish Mills wasn’t still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?


You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?

How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?
If LeBron  
steve in ky : 5/4/2018 10:36 am : link
was even remotely weighed into during the coaching hire decision it would be inexcusable.
RE: If LeBron  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:37 am : link
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was even remotely weighed into during the coaching hire decision it would be inexcusable.


I am sure he wasn't, it is isola and berman
I’m ok with Fizz  
Earl the goat : 5/4/2018 10:42 am : link
I was hoping for Stackhouse

But In all honesty. Kanter and Oquinn opting out gives the Knicks cap room to go after Capela or Randle which would be a nice compliment to KP
And hopefully hitting a home run in this draft (Mikhal Bridges) gives the Knicks and Fizz a nice young nucleus for the future
RE: I wonder if Mrs. Fizdale will be at MSG  
NY2Carolina : 5/4/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13953491 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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[ I sure hope so.]
RE: RE: Lebron  
TyreeHelmet : 5/4/2018 10:49 am : link
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I just don’t see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.

The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.

The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.

Lastly, I really wish Mills wasn’t still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?



You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?

How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?


I’m well aware of how the salary cap works. Let me just say this is beyond a pipe dream for the Knicks. But without Hardaways 17.5mill a year on the books, it would be significantly easier for the Knicks to create space for 2 maxes. Not to mention the 5 million to Ron Baker.

- Kanter and KOQ opt out.
- Dump Lees salary

Without Hardaway or Baker that would put them at close to 60 million in cap space.
Nygiants16  
GMEN46 : 5/4/2018 10:50 am : link
Without hardaway you wouldn’t have 2 outright max spaces but it would be very easy to sign and trade. Lottery pick with Lee and Thomas contracts attached to it could easily free up the space or you can use lottery pick and other assets to sign and trade for a star. Next year Noah and Lee’s contracts can extremely valuable in trades.
RE: If LeBron  
Enzo : 5/4/2018 10:51 am : link
In comment 13954190 steve in ky said:
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was even remotely weighed into during the coaching hire decision it would be inexcusable.

it's just media BS at this point. Most fans moved on from this pipe dream EIGHT years ago. We don't even get meetings with top free agents these days, let alone the second best player of all time.
RE: RE: I wonder if Mrs. Fizdale will be at MSG  
NY2Carolina : 5/4/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13953755 chopperhatch said:
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LT coming up big as usual.

Hoky smokes! Natasha Sen....she farts, I suck. And no, there is no money in it for me.









RE: RE: RE: Lebron  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:57 am : link
In comment 13954213 TyreeHelmet said:
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I just don’t see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.

The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.

The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.

Lastly, I really wish Mills wasn’t still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?



You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?

How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?



I’m well aware of how the salary cap works. Let me just say this is beyond a pipe dream for the Knicks. But without Hardaways 17.5mill a year on the books, it would be significantly easier for the Knicks to create space for 2 maxes. Not to mention the 5 million to Ron Baker.

- Kanter and KOQ opt out.
- Dump Lees salary

Without Hardaway or Baker that would put them at close to 60 million in cap space.


Are you taking into account the 5 to 8 million dollar salary for the first round pick?

All the cap holds that would be on the roster?

Also where you dumping lee tk get rid of his contract with so little teams that have cap space?

Lebrons max is around 30 million by himself
RE: Nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:59 am : link
In comment 13954215 GMEN46 said:
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Without hardaway you wouldn’t have 2 outright max spaces but it would be very easy to sign and trade. Lottery pick with Lee and Thomas contracts attached to it could easily free up the space or you can use lottery pick and other assets to sign and trade for a star. Next year Noah and Lee’s contracts can extremely valuable in trades.


Why the hell would you attach a lottery pick to Lance's contract when it is non guaranteed after next year?

No one has cap space this year no one is outright taking Lee's deal..
Oh and doing a sign trade is stupid  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:59 am : link
Because then you have a hard cap and for a team that wants to go over the cap to sign kp yiu have to be very very careful
NYgiants16  
TyreeHelmet : 5/4/2018 11:39 am : link
My main point is if everything happened to break right and Lebron wanted to come to NY, then having Hardaway's contract on the books makes it harder. I'm not sure how thats disputable. Because he would need to be bringing another star and more.

The Knicks currently have-

1 unmovable contract that's probably the worst in the league-Noah

1 contract that is really bad that would need sweeteners to move but not impossible - THJ

1 contract that isn't horrible but won't be easy to move without taking money back - Lee

Not to mention the 12 million between Baker and Lance who probably don't belong on a nba roster...

I think we've been overvauling  
giantsfan44ab : 5/4/2018 11:44 am : link
how easy it would be to dump Lee. He isn't a difference maker, it doesn't make sense for many teams to trade for him and take on additional salary space.

One deal i would try to push for is to potentially swap Courtney Lee and Crowder. Maybe it takes a 2nd round pick to get it done. Exum is a FA, Lee would be a solid back up playmaker/floor spacer for them. I still like Crowder, I think he would be a solid fit at the 3 for the Knicks even if he is a bit below average of a 3 point shooter. Need a grinder like him, plus he's still in his prime.
RE: I think we've been overvauling  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 11:50 am : link
In comment 13954288 giantsfan44ab said:
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how easy it would be to dump Lee. He isn't a difference maker, it doesn't make sense for many teams to trade for him and take on additional salary space.

One deal i would try to push for is to potentially swap Courtney Lee and Crowder. Maybe it takes a 2nd round pick to get it done. Exum is a FA, Lee would be a solid back up playmaker/floor spacer for them. I still like Crowder, I think he would be a solid fit at the 3 for the Knicks even if he is a bit below average of a 3 point shooter. Need a grinder like him, plus he's still in his prime.


That is why 2019 is more viable, you can trade him for an expiring and save 12 million next year
RE: NYgiants16  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 11:52 am : link
In comment 13954282 TyreeHelmet said:
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My main point is if everything happened to break right and Lebron wanted to come to NY, then having Hardaway's contract on the books makes it harder. I'm not sure how thats disputable. Because he would need to be bringing another star and more.

The Knicks currently have-

1 unmovable contract that's probably the worst in the league-Noah

1 contract that is really bad that would need sweeteners to move but not impossible - THJ

1 contract that isn't horrible but won't be easy to move without taking money back - Lee

Not to mention the 12 million between Baker and Lance who probably don't belong on a nba roster...


That is why 2019 is more viable..

You can stretch noah..

Lance is non guaranteed...

Hopefully you can trade Lee this year for an expiring...

You have another year adding a lot to pick...

This year was never going to happen even with no Hardaway
RE: I think we've been overvauling  
TyreeHelmet : 5/4/2018 12:15 pm : link
In comment 13954288 giantsfan44ab said:
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how easy it would be to dump Lee. He isn't a difference maker, it doesn't make sense for many teams to trade for him and take on additional salary space.

One deal i would try to push for is to potentially swap Courtney Lee and Crowder. Maybe it takes a 2nd round pick to get it done. Exum is a FA, Lee would be a solid back up playmaker/floor spacer for them. I still like Crowder, I think he would be a solid fit at the 3 for the Knicks even if he is a bit below average of a 3 point shooter. Need a grinder like him, plus he's still in his prime.


Unfortunately I agree with this. I don't think many teams are signing up for Lee for 2 years 25 million at 32 years old. Would he even get that contract if he was a FA this summer?

The NBA salary cap economy has changed. Very few teams have cap space and teams are targeting the 2019 summer.
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Anakim : 5/4/2018 7:46 pm : link
Knicks to name Keith Smart as assistant per @NYPost_Berman
RE: Everyone needs to  
djm : 5/4/2018 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13954082 GMEN46 said:
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Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this year’s pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.


I don’t buy that for a second nor do I think the hardaway signing was terrible. Knicks want to add talent without subtracting assets. I don’t think they want to do any of those 2 for 1 type deals right now. That’s why they signed hardaway, even if it was a bit of an overpay, maybe. They had a chance to add a young scorer without subtracting anything.

I think they’d try for a guy like Leonard but other than that they will stay the course, possibly go after someone in FA and draft a kid this summer. Then follow the same approach in 2019.
It's been discussed endlessly  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/4/2018 10:32 pm : link
Tim Hardaway Jr was signed to a contract that pays him as the 17th best shooting guard. Just because you think he's overpaid doesn't make it so.
Good podcast with woj and begley  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 11:00 pm : link
Basically says fizdale was the guy from the start, talk a bout how Perry is basically running the Knicks and this hire proves it...

Fizdale main mission is to have a great relationship with kp and create a new culture and narrative
RE: It's been discussed endlessly  
Greg from LI : 5/4/2018 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13955050 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Tim Hardaway Jr was signed to a contract that pays him as the 17th best shooting guard. Just because you think he's overpaid doesn't make it so.


He's still a waste of money. Guy is straight garbage.
The more I read about fiz and gasol  
nygiants16 : 5/5/2018 12:50 pm : link
Gasol sounds like a little bitch...

He cried because after a loss fizdale asked the team if they wanted to win a championship and if they thought they could...

Then fix told him it was no longer the slow grind and that they were going up tempo spread em out like they did in miami...
Dominic Mitchell  
ColHowPepper : 5/5/2018 12:57 pm : link
I apologize for the millering of your thread, nyg16, but Holy Crap, I just watched highlights of his game vs. Houston Friday (?)....

How on earth on PJ select Frenchie ahead of this guy. His drives to and through the paint were like a hot knife through butter, his 3s were there, and he sees the floor and connects with the open man on all manner of passes that catch the defense napping like a Steve Nash. Sheesh. No wonder the GM of the Jazz was doing cartwheels when Phil selected Ntilikina. I know this is not new news, I just had no idea how big a talent he is.
RE: Dominic Mitchell  
nygiants16 : 5/5/2018 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13955382 ColHowPepper said:
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I apologize for the millering of your thread, nyg16, but Holy Crap, I just watched highlights of his game vs. Houston Friday (?)....

How on earth on PJ select Frenchie ahead of this guy. His drives to and through the paint were like a hot knife through butter, his 3s were there, and he sees the floor and connects with the open man on all manner of passes that catch the defense napping like a Steve Nash. Sheesh. No wonder the GM of the Jazz was doing cartwheels when Phil selected Ntilikina. I know this is not new news, I just had no idea how big a talent he is.


First off 12 other teams past on him..

2nd no one thought he would be this good otherwise he would not not been taken 13th..

3rd he was older usually in the draft teams rather go for younger potential...

4th his shot was not very good in college so people thought he would struggle from 3...

5th he played off the ball, people didn't think he could play the point therefore he would be a short shooting guard...

6th dont dismiss frank, he is already one of the better perimeter defenders in the league and he is only 19, it is a big adjustment coming from euro to the nba...
Some of you need to remember  
Carl in CT : 5/5/2018 4:34 pm : link
Some people only job is to rank players to be drafted. I agree with some before me, miss this bad and you should be fired. I mean there is no comparison and it’s obvious. More than 80% of us (if we all saw them play multiple times and all their games on film) could tell Mitchell is on a different level.
RE: Some of you need to remember  
nygiants16 : 5/5/2018 10:16 pm : link
In comment 13955586 Carl in CT said:
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Some people only job is to rank players to be drafted. I agree with some before me, miss this bad and you should be fired. I mean there is no comparison and it’s obvious. More than 80% of us (if we all saw them play multiple times and all their games on film) could tell Mitchell is on a different level.


So 12 teams should fire their gms?
RE: RE: They interview 11 and get  
santacruzom : 5/5/2018 10:43 pm : link
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Fizdale —- man I thought Princeton was a better school.



80% of those 11 names were junk that really shouldn't have sniffed the job. I get not hiring Blatt if you don't think it fits. Mark Jackson is coming off a really ugly ending in golden state and he's been an untouchable around the league since. Not a single good thing has been said about his time there, and a lot of bad has.


That's not totally true. A lot of Warriors front office folks, players, and even members of the current coaching staff have credited Jackson for the way the team plays defense, and for turning around the culture. But it's definitely true that there has been a lot of criticism towards him as well.
Would this have changed anything? Would you have wanted SVG?  
Anakim : 5/7/2018 1:20 pm : link
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RE: Would this have changed anything? Would you have wanted SVG?  
nygiants16 : 5/7/2018 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13956967 Anakim said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski

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No, should of never had that much power
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