but Im glad they didnt succumb to the nostalgic lure of Van Gundy or Mark Jax
Bucks and other possible openings obviously motivated the Knicks to get it closed. Hope it turns out better than when the Giants rushed the McAdoo hire to keep him away from Philly
Young,experienced,has great rapport w/NBA players (w/exception of Gasol) At 43,hopefully a coach that will be allowed to grow w/the young team they surround him with!
Fizdale - man I thought Princeton was a better school.
80% of those 11 names were junk that really shouldn't have sniffed the job. I get not hiring Blatt if you don't think it fits. Mark Jackson is coming off a really ugly ending in golden state and he's been an untouchable around the league since. Not a single good thing has been said about his time there, and a lot of bad has.
But I don't think I've ever said this, but I'm quite happy and impressed how the Knicks FO handled this. They got a young, hungry coach while doing their due diligence during the hiring process.
Just joked with the wife that weve been together for 10 years now, married for 8, and the Knicks have gone through more coaches than the number of big fights weve had. Awesome marriage yes, but shitty Knicks organization as well.
that's an over simplification and you know it. The "rumors" we're Fiz wanted to run one kind of offense and it didn't feature Gasol thus the issues. I think Fizdale learned from that experience thus why he wants to go to Latvia to meet with KP. He knows he's his franchise player and he gets nowhere without him. That's a pretty good start.
Sloan got fired because of DWill
Maybe Fizdale got fired because of Gasol
Blatt got fired because of LeBron
But Melo and DWill are coach killers and malcontents. And Gasol was used to his system where he just shot at the elbow. He didn't like Fiz coming in and trying to open up the offense.
Gasol was mad because offense was not run through him
Because he couldnt get along with their big Euro, and our best player is a big Euro. Mills and Perry are imbeciles.
Have you been drinking? He didnt get along with Gasol so he surely wont get along with KP because they are both from a county in Europe? Wtf has happened to you? Thats the most absurd thing Ive ever read on this site, and thats saying something.
He supposedly said the other day if the Knicks hired Fizdale he'd be fine returning as his main assistant.
Just speaking with a buddy of mine, would that really be an upgrade? He noted that Jordan's defense really deteriorated since Woodson came aboard. Woodson had versatile guys and guys that can switch...do the Knicks?
Bill Simmons kept mentioning Becky Hammon as a good hire. That'd be intriguing. Also would have given NYK some positive press after the whole Zeke sexual harassment lawsuit.
Occam's Razor. This shitty coach has been out a wondering since he got in a fight with Gasol. Horrible fucking hire.
Your reasoning for this being a bad hire is definitely as dumb as it gets. Fizdale got fired this year. He was mentioned as a candidate for every job that was open. He had a falling out with Gasol so KP wont like him, because theyre both Europeans? They arent even from remotely the same country. Just awful awful reasoning.
so getting fired for his treatment of, putting aside of the issue of National Origin of their Best Player and our Best Player, what defense has he established and what players has he developed? Because our management they were looking for a guy who would establish a defensive culture and devlop players?
Would get fired. He has to be the most miserable person in the world. He is probably so bitter that he never gets to break any stories and takes it out on Knicks. Dont get me wrong, knicks have deserved plenty of criticism over the years, but this story was done without any research. I just googled grizzlies players thoughts on David Fizdale and the reports were all positive including Conley with some really strong words (nothing from Gasol). He is just annoying overall as a reporter.
Anyway, it seems like it's well recieved by people who actually cover
According to a league source, Mike Budenholzer pulled out of the Suns job due to owner Robert Sarvers hands-on approach, not allowing employees to do their job.
David Fizdale shares the same line of thinking and does not look at Phoenix as an attractive coaching destination.
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David Fizdale passed on a 4-year offer from the Phoenix Suns before eventually accepting a 4-year offer from the New York Knicks to become head coach, league sources told The Athletic.
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Yahoo Sports NBA
The best organizations have great symmetry between the front office & coaching staff. David Fizdale feels like a Scott Perry guy, in terms of personality & philosophy. Knicks starting to look & act like a serious organization but still need a lot more talent to get out of the rut
Tim Reynolds
Associated Press
David Fizdale was the right choice. Applaud the Knicks for getting this one very, very right.
Jordan Schultz
Yahoo Sports
David Fizdale is a grand slam hire for the #Knicks. He is the rare HC who is extremely well respected by players, personnel people, executives and other coaches as well. Has done it right his whole career ... if anyone can turn this team/franchise around, it's Fiz.
who is 4 games over .500 for his career. I think we just fired a series of beter coaches. Anyway, Dolan said the coach would be a player developer. Fizdale, may be, but has no record of such. The Mills/Perry team said he's be a player developer, and establish a defensive culture. Is that yet evident? They also said it would be importent for the guy to realize he was a team with them. I think that's all they got. Bud was the the move, or one of the younger guys who's been developing players.
As Phil pointed out Fizdale hasn't really proven anything and while he may turn out to be a decent coach can this team really afford another miss at HC right now. Go with the more proven commodity if you ask me.
The Mills/Perry team said he's be a player developer, and establish a defensive culture. Is that yet evident?
Considering his coaching background and the team he most recently worked for, I'd think it's likely.
Whatever you think of Pat Riley, he was a legendary hardass for preparation and work ethic. Spoelstra is in the same vein and I don't think you spend eight years working there if you don't have that value system. Memphis gave him his first coaching job, and that's a franchise that has been defense-first as well.
he's achieved nothing. He went to a bad school. Didn't establish himself anywher on his own. Looks ver much luch a Mills/Perry toady. I litterally can't imagine a less impressive pick. And I do acknowledge that guys like Mark Jackson, Brown and Woodson were even less "fresh." Got nothing they said they were looking for here.
they needed to come up with a better coach, not just a sigh of relief that it's not Jackson or Brown or Woodson. Something better had to happen, and Hornacek seems to have been a better coach than Fizdale.
they needed to come up with a better coach, not just a sigh of relief that it's not Jackson or Brown or Woodson. Something better had to happen, and Hornacek seems to have been a better coach than Fizdale.
D'Antoni wasn't a bad hire. We've had a decade long series of shitty talent and no draft picks.
If they chose Fizdale over Bud then I think thats a terrible choice. If Bud didnt fully want the Knicks job and Fiz is the 2nd choice- I understand that.
If they chose Fizdale over Bud then I think thats a terrible choice. If Bud didnt fully want the Knicks job and Fiz is the 2nd choice- I understand that.
I wonder if bud asked for power in the front office and that is the reason Knicks liked fizdale a little more....
Or it could be bud was not fully committed and fizdale was, he supposedly turned down the suns in Hope's of coming to knicks...
I have a feeling bud is going to take the year off
but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.
Player development wise, I believe he was instrumental in Josh Richardson, Tyler Johnson and Hassan Whiteside's growth. He helped transform (extend) the games of BIGs Bosh and Gasol. We are all aware of the friction w the latter. I am not aware of any other Grizzlies that developed well under DF.
I'd like to learn about how he subscribes to use of advanced metrics, analytics.
Still learning about him, but to this point, I am impressed.
but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.
It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired
but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.
It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired
but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.
It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired
And that's why some people are complaining.
I get it, people wanted bud, but you could also look at it as Knicks got one of the highly coveted guys and that guy wanted to come to the knicks...
A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?
Player after player talking about him means nothing?
Fizdale doesn't have a standout resume, there were better candidates on the market and the Knicks have a track record of making poor decisions.
This is better than landing Mark Jackson, but I'm with Phil on this... I'd have much rather gone with Bud or Blatt. At least Fizdale will be a + with recruiting FA's, when that time comes. His actual coaching acumen remains to be seen.
A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?
Player after player talking about him means nothing?
The thing is though is that this team desperately needs to get this HC hire right. Instead of going on potential which may or not pan out (and often doesn't) how about go after the guy who was the 2015 NBA Coach of the Year and who ran the Hawks for five seasons with four straight playoff berths?
A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?
Player after player talking about him means nothing?
The thing is though is that this team desperately needs to get this HC hire right. Instead of going on potential which may or not pan out (and often doesn't) how about go after the guy who was the 2015 NBA Coach of the Year and who ran the Hawks for five seasons with four straight playoff berths?
It doesn't matter unless the Knicks get the right pieces I llace...
Maybe bud didn't want to be patient, maybe he wanted to win right now...
is a very solid hire. No complaints here. I probably wouldn't have held to it but Mark Jackson had me considering bailing on the Knicks (until Dolan were gone).
Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this years pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.
Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this years pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.
Not even the Knicks are that dumb. If Lebron indicated he wanted to come here if they added XYZ they would add XYZ. They aren't singing "kind of star player X" in order to interest Lebron. One of the first calls of the off-season will be to gauge Lebron's interest and flat out ask him what it would take to have him on board (if anything).
gut just tells me Bud will be the Bucks coach. I don't see the point in arguing Bud until that shakes out. Milwaukee right now is as about a dream situation there is for a coaching candidate.
Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this years pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.
Not even the Knicks are that dumb. If Lebron indicated he wanted to come here if they added XYZ they would add XYZ. They aren't singing "kind of star player X" in order to interest Lebron. One of the first calls of the off-season will be to gauge Lebron's interest and flat out ask him what it would take to have him on board (if anything).
Yup, if lebron says I am coming if you get this guy, you go and get that guy...
You dont go and get that guy and then call lebron...
You have a guy who le Ron will talk to, have him make the call, if lebron says no chance, you stay the course
even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
I think you know what my opinion is on the possibility of that happening :).
Just giving a realistic path I think that they should follow.
even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
I think you know what my opinion is on the possibility of that happening :).
Just giving a realistic path I think that they should follow.
Oh dont get me wrong I think there is zero chance lebron comes
I just dont see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.
The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.
The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.
Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
I just dont see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.
The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.
The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.
Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?
How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?
But In all honesty. Kanter and Oquinn opting out gives the Knicks cap room to go after Capela or Randle which would be a nice compliment to KP
And hopefully hitting a home run in this draft (Mikhal Bridges) gives the Knicks and Fizz a nice young nucleus for the future
I just dont see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.
The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.
The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.
Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?
How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?
Im well aware of how the salary cap works. Let me just say this is beyond a pipe dream for the Knicks. But without Hardaways 17.5mill a year on the books, it would be significantly easier for the Knicks to create space for 2 maxes. Not to mention the 5 million to Ron Baker.
- Kanter and KOQ opt out.
- Dump Lees salary
Without Hardaway or Baker that would put them at close to 60 million in cap space.
Without hardaway you wouldnt have 2 outright max spaces but it would be very easy to sign and trade. Lottery pick with Lee and Thomas contracts attached to it could easily free up the space or you can use lottery pick and other assets to sign and trade for a star. Next year Noah and Lees contracts can extremely valuable in trades.
was even remotely weighed into during the coaching hire decision it would be inexcusable.
it's just media BS at this point. Most fans moved on from this pipe dream EIGHT years ago. We don't even get meetings with top free agents these days, let alone the second best player of all time.
I just dont see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.
The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.
The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.
Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?
How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?
Im well aware of how the salary cap works. Let me just say this is beyond a pipe dream for the Knicks. But without Hardaways 17.5mill a year on the books, it would be significantly easier for the Knicks to create space for 2 maxes. Not to mention the 5 million to Ron Baker.
- Kanter and KOQ opt out.
- Dump Lees salary
Without Hardaway or Baker that would put them at close to 60 million in cap space.
Are you taking into account the 5 to 8 million dollar salary for the first round pick?
All the cap holds that would be on the roster?
Also where you dumping lee tk get rid of his contract with so little teams that have cap space?
Without hardaway you wouldnt have 2 outright max spaces but it would be very easy to sign and trade. Lottery pick with Lee and Thomas contracts attached to it could easily free up the space or you can use lottery pick and other assets to sign and trade for a star. Next year Noah and Lees contracts can extremely valuable in trades.
Why the hell would you attach a lottery pick to Lance's contract when it is non guaranteed after next year?
No one has cap space this year no one is outright taking Lee's deal..
My main point is if everything happened to break right and Lebron wanted to come to NY, then having Hardaway's contract on the books makes it harder. I'm not sure how thats disputable. Because he would need to be bringing another star and more.
The Knicks currently have-
1 unmovable contract that's probably the worst in the league-Noah
1 contract that is really bad that would need sweeteners to move but not impossible - THJ
1 contract that isn't horrible but won't be easy to move without taking money back - Lee
Not to mention the 12 million between Baker and Lance who probably don't belong on a nba roster...
how easy it would be to dump Lee. He isn't a difference maker, it doesn't make sense for many teams to trade for him and take on additional salary space.
One deal i would try to push for is to potentially swap Courtney Lee and Crowder. Maybe it takes a 2nd round pick to get it done. Exum is a FA, Lee would be a solid back up playmaker/floor spacer for them. I still like Crowder, I think he would be a solid fit at the 3 for the Knicks even if he is a bit below average of a 3 point shooter. Need a grinder like him, plus he's still in his prime.
how easy it would be to dump Lee. He isn't a difference maker, it doesn't make sense for many teams to trade for him and take on additional salary space.
One deal i would try to push for is to potentially swap Courtney Lee and Crowder. Maybe it takes a 2nd round pick to get it done. Exum is a FA, Lee would be a solid back up playmaker/floor spacer for them. I still like Crowder, I think he would be a solid fit at the 3 for the Knicks even if he is a bit below average of a 3 point shooter. Need a grinder like him, plus he's still in his prime.
That is why 2019 is more viable, you can trade him for an expiring and save 12 million next year
My main point is if everything happened to break right and Lebron wanted to come to NY, then having Hardaway's contract on the books makes it harder. I'm not sure how thats disputable. Because he would need to be bringing another star and more.
The Knicks currently have-
1 unmovable contract that's probably the worst in the league-Noah
1 contract that is really bad that would need sweeteners to move but not impossible - THJ
1 contract that isn't horrible but won't be easy to move without taking money back - Lee
Not to mention the 12 million between Baker and Lance who probably don't belong on a nba roster...
That is why 2019 is more viable..
You can stretch noah..
Lance is non guaranteed...
Hopefully you can trade Lee this year for an expiring...
You have another year adding a lot to pick...
This year was never going to happen even with no Hardaway
how easy it would be to dump Lee. He isn't a difference maker, it doesn't make sense for many teams to trade for him and take on additional salary space.
One deal i would try to push for is to potentially swap Courtney Lee and Crowder. Maybe it takes a 2nd round pick to get it done. Exum is a FA, Lee would be a solid back up playmaker/floor spacer for them. I still like Crowder, I think he would be a solid fit at the 3 for the Knicks even if he is a bit below average of a 3 point shooter. Need a grinder like him, plus he's still in his prime.
Unfortunately I agree with this. I don't think many teams are signing up for Lee for 2 years 25 million at 32 years old. Would he even get that contract if he was a FA this summer?
The NBA salary cap economy has changed. Very few teams have cap space and teams are targeting the 2019 summer.
Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this years pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.
I dont buy that for a second nor do I think the hardaway signing was terrible. Knicks want to add talent without subtracting assets. I dont think they want to do any of those 2 for 1 type deals right now. Thats why they signed hardaway, even if it was a bit of an overpay, maybe. They had a chance to add a young scorer without subtracting anything.
I think theyd try for a guy like Leonard but other than that they will stay the course, possibly go after someone in FA and draft a kid this summer. Then follow the same approach in 2019.
I apologize for the millering of your thread, nyg16, but Holy Crap, I just watched highlights of his game vs. Houston Friday (?)....
How on earth on PJ select Frenchie ahead of this guy. His drives to and through the paint were like a hot knife through butter, his 3s were there, and he sees the floor and connects with the open man on all manner of passes that catch the defense napping like a Steve Nash. Sheesh. No wonder the GM of the Jazz was doing cartwheels when Phil selected Ntilikina. I know this is not new news, I just had no idea how big a talent he is.
I apologize for the millering of your thread, nyg16, but Holy Crap, I just watched highlights of his game vs. Houston Friday (?)....
How on earth on PJ select Frenchie ahead of this guy. His drives to and through the paint were like a hot knife through butter, his 3s were there, and he sees the floor and connects with the open man on all manner of passes that catch the defense napping like a Steve Nash. Sheesh. No wonder the GM of the Jazz was doing cartwheels when Phil selected Ntilikina. I know this is not new news, I just had no idea how big a talent he is.
First off 12 other teams past on him..
2nd no one thought he would be this good otherwise he would not not been taken 13th..
3rd he was older usually in the draft teams rather go for younger potential...
4th his shot was not very good in college so people thought he would struggle from 3...
5th he played off the ball, people didn't think he could play the point therefore he would be a short shooting guard...
6th dont dismiss frank, he is already one of the better perimeter defenders in the league and he is only 19, it is a big adjustment coming from euro to the nba...
Some people only job is to rank players to be drafted. I agree with some before me, miss this bad and you should be fired. I mean there is no comparison and its obvious. More than 80% of us (if we all saw them play multiple times and all their games on film) could tell Mitchell is on a different level.
Some people only job is to rank players to be drafted. I agree with some before me, miss this bad and you should be fired. I mean there is no comparison and its obvious. More than 80% of us (if we all saw them play multiple times and all their games on film) could tell Mitchell is on a different level.
Fizdale - man I thought Princeton was a better school.
80% of those 11 names were junk that really shouldn't have sniffed the job. I get not hiring Blatt if you don't think it fits. Mark Jackson is coming off a really ugly ending in golden state and he's been an untouchable around the league since. Not a single good thing has been said about his time there, and a lot of bad has.
That's not totally true. A lot of Warriors front office folks, players, and even members of the current coaching staff have credited Jackson for the way the team plays defense, and for turning around the culture. But it's definitely true that there has been a lot of criticism towards him as well.
Would this have changed anything? Would you have wanted SVG?
I just wish someone could explain how he did such a good job but then got fired so quickly.
Bucks and other possible openings obviously motivated the Knicks to get it closed. Hope it turns out better than when the Giants rushed the McAdoo hire to keep him away from Philly
I just wish someone could explain how he did such a good job but then got fired so quickly.
He got fired because of his disagreement with Gasol.
80% of those 11 names were junk that really shouldn't have sniffed the job. I get not hiring Blatt if you don't think it fits. Mark Jackson is coming off a really ugly ending in golden state and he's been an untouchable around the league since. Not a single good thing has been said about his time there, and a lot of bad has.
But I don't think I've ever said this, but I'm quite happy and impressed how the Knicks FO handled this. They got a young, hungry coach while doing their due diligence during the hiring process.
The key will be how he develops the young kids, no more quick fixes!!!
Just joked with the wife that weve been together for 10 years now, married for 8, and the Knicks have gone through more coaches than the number of big fights weve had. Awesome marriage yes, but shitty Knicks organization as well.
It had nothing to do with Gasol being euro maybe you should go do some research
Maybe Fizdale got fired because of Gasol
Blatt got fired because of LeBron
But Melo and DWill are coach killers and malcontents. And Gasol was used to his system where he just shot at the elbow. He didn't like Fiz coming in and trying to open up the offense.
Yes mills and Perry are imbeciles, have you seen the reaction from around the league about this hire?
Mills is an imbecile. Jury is out on Perry. But your "big Euro" comparison is fucking stupid.
I'd settle for competent.
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Have you been drinking? He didnt get along with Gasol so he surely wont get along with KP because they are both from a county in Europe? Wtf has happened to you? Thats the most absurd thing Ive ever read on this site, and thats saying something.
Where have I heard this before?
Just speaking with a buddy of mine, would that really be an upgrade? He noted that Jordan's defense really deteriorated since Woodson came aboard. Woodson had versatile guys and guys that can switch...do the Knicks?
I'd rather have the guy from the Popovich tree
Your reasoning for this being a bad hire is definitely as dumb as it gets. Fizdale got fired this year. He was mentioned as a candidate for every job that was open. He had a falling out with Gasol so KP wont like him, because theyre both Europeans? They arent even from remotely the same country. Just awful awful reasoning.
Did you have a few too many tonight? "a wondering"?
According to a league source, Mike Budenholzer pulled out of the Suns job due to owner Robert Sarvers hands-on approach, not allowing employees to do their job.
David Fizdale shares the same line of thinking and does not look at Phoenix as an attractive coaching destination.
Michael Scotto
Verified account
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David Fizdale passed on a 4-year offer from the Phoenix Suns before eventually accepting a 4-year offer from the New York Knicks to become head coach, league sources told The Athletic.
Michael Lee
Yahoo Sports NBA
The best organizations have great symmetry between the front office & coaching staff. David Fizdale feels like a Scott Perry guy, in terms of personality & philosophy. Knicks starting to look & act like a serious organization but still need a lot more talent to get out of the rut
Tim Reynolds
Associated Press
David Fizdale was the right choice. Applaud the Knicks for getting this one very, very right.
Jordan Schultz
Yahoo Sports
David Fizdale is a grand slam hire for the #Knicks. He is the rare HC who is extremely well respected by players, personnel people, executives and other coaches as well. Has done it right his whole career ... if anyone can turn this team/franchise around, it's Fiz.
Considering his coaching background and the team he most recently worked for, I'd think it's likely.
Whatever you think of Pat Riley, he was a legendary hardass for preparation and work ethic. Spoelstra is in the same vein and I don't think you spend eight years working there if you don't have that value system. Memphis gave him his first coaching job, and that's a franchise that has been defense-first as well.
This isn't Derek Fisher all over again. Or Jeff fkin Hornacek.
Everyone loves this move. Just be glad it isn't Mark Jackson.
LT coming up big as usual.
Hoky smokes! Natasha Sen....she farts, I suck. And no, there is no money in it for me.
Wade and lebron love the guy and both have said how important he was...
Spoelstra raves about the guy and basically said he Hope's he goes to the west...
Most considered him the best young coach on the market...
Yet according to you mills and Perry are imbeciles
D'Antoni wasn't a bad hire. We've had a decade long series of shitty talent and no draft picks.
Ha!
I wonder if bud asked for power in the front office and that is the reason Knicks liked fizdale a little more....
Or it could be bud was not fully committed and fizdale was, he supposedly turned down the suns in Hope's of coming to knicks...
I have a feeling bud is going to take the year off
I'd like to learn about how he subscribes to use of advanced metrics, analytics.
Still learning about him, but to this point, I am impressed.
It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired
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but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.
It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired
And that's why some people are complaining.
He'd come to NY and stop taking HGH. lolol (I kid, I kid ... or DOOOOO I?)
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but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.
It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired
And that's why some people are complaining.
I get it, people wanted bud, but you could also look at it as Knicks got one of the highly coveted guys and that guy wanted to come to the knicks...
Perry, I can't say, but Steve Mills absolutely is an imbecile.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?
Player after player talking about him means nothing?
This is better than landing Mark Jackson, but I'm with Phil on this... I'd have much rather gone with Bud or Blatt. At least Fizdale will be a + with recruiting FA's, when that time comes. His actual coaching acumen remains to be seen.
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A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?
Player after player talking about him means nothing?
The thing is though is that this team desperately needs to get this HC hire right. Instead of going on potential which may or not pan out (and often doesn't) how about go after the guy who was the 2015 NBA Coach of the Year and who ran the Hawks for five seasons with four straight playoff berths?
The entire Memphis grizzly team was pissed he was fired except for Gasol, that should tell you something right there..
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A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.
Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?
Player after player talking about him means nothing?
The thing is though is that this team desperately needs to get this HC hire right. Instead of going on potential which may or not pan out (and often doesn't) how about go after the guy who was the 2015 NBA Coach of the Year and who ran the Hawks for five seasons with four straight playoff berths?
It doesn't matter unless the Knicks get the right pieces I llace...
Maybe bud didn't want to be patient, maybe he wanted to win right now...
Not even the Knicks are that dumb. If Lebron indicated he wanted to come here if they added XYZ they would add XYZ. They aren't singing "kind of star player X" in order to interest Lebron. One of the first calls of the off-season will be to gauge Lebron's interest and flat out ask him what it would take to have him on board (if anything).
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Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this years pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.
Not even the Knicks are that dumb. If Lebron indicated he wanted to come here if they added XYZ they would add XYZ. They aren't singing "kind of star player X" in order to interest Lebron. One of the first calls of the off-season will be to gauge Lebron's interest and flat out ask him what it would take to have him on board (if anything).
Yup, if lebron says I am coming if you get this guy, you go and get that guy...
You dont go and get that guy and then call lebron...
You have a guy who le Ron will talk to, have him make the call, if lebron says no chance, you stay the course
Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
As much as I would hate it, you have to do it
If they had any guts,they would have hired someone like Stackhouse
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even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
I think you know what my opinion is on the possibility of that happening :).
Just giving a realistic path I think that they should follow.
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even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
I think you know what my opinion is on the possibility of that happening :).
Just giving a realistic path I think that they should follow.
Oh dont get me wrong I think there is zero chance lebron comes
The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.
The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.
Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.
The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.
Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?
How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?
I am sure he wasn't, it is isola and berman
But In all honesty. Kanter and Oquinn opting out gives the Knicks cap room to go after Capela or Randle which would be a nice compliment to KP
And hopefully hitting a home run in this draft (Mikhal Bridges) gives the Knicks and Fizz a nice young nucleus for the future
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I just dont see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.
The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.
The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.
Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?
How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?
Im well aware of how the salary cap works. Let me just say this is beyond a pipe dream for the Knicks. But without Hardaways 17.5mill a year on the books, it would be significantly easier for the Knicks to create space for 2 maxes. Not to mention the 5 million to Ron Baker.
- Kanter and KOQ opt out.
- Dump Lees salary
Without Hardaway or Baker that would put them at close to 60 million in cap space.
it's just media BS at this point. Most fans moved on from this pipe dream EIGHT years ago. We don't even get meetings with top free agents these days, let alone the second best player of all time.
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I just dont see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.
The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.
The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.
Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?
How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?
Im well aware of how the salary cap works. Let me just say this is beyond a pipe dream for the Knicks. But without Hardaways 17.5mill a year on the books, it would be significantly easier for the Knicks to create space for 2 maxes. Not to mention the 5 million to Ron Baker.
- Kanter and KOQ opt out.
- Dump Lees salary
Without Hardaway or Baker that would put them at close to 60 million in cap space.
Are you taking into account the 5 to 8 million dollar salary for the first round pick?
All the cap holds that would be on the roster?
Also where you dumping lee tk get rid of his contract with so little teams that have cap space?
Lebrons max is around 30 million by himself
Why the hell would you attach a lottery pick to Lance's contract when it is non guaranteed after next year?
No one has cap space this year no one is outright taking Lee's deal..
The Knicks currently have-
1 unmovable contract that's probably the worst in the league-Noah
1 contract that is really bad that would need sweeteners to move but not impossible - THJ
1 contract that isn't horrible but won't be easy to move without taking money back - Lee
Not to mention the 12 million between Baker and Lance who probably don't belong on a nba roster...
One deal i would try to push for is to potentially swap Courtney Lee and Crowder. Maybe it takes a 2nd round pick to get it done. Exum is a FA, Lee would be a solid back up playmaker/floor spacer for them. I still like Crowder, I think he would be a solid fit at the 3 for the Knicks even if he is a bit below average of a 3 point shooter. Need a grinder like him, plus he's still in his prime.
One deal i would try to push for is to potentially swap Courtney Lee and Crowder. Maybe it takes a 2nd round pick to get it done. Exum is a FA, Lee would be a solid back up playmaker/floor spacer for them. I still like Crowder, I think he would be a solid fit at the 3 for the Knicks even if he is a bit below average of a 3 point shooter. Need a grinder like him, plus he's still in his prime.
That is why 2019 is more viable, you can trade him for an expiring and save 12 million next year
The Knicks currently have-
1 unmovable contract that's probably the worst in the league-Noah
1 contract that is really bad that would need sweeteners to move but not impossible - THJ
1 contract that isn't horrible but won't be easy to move without taking money back - Lee
Not to mention the 12 million between Baker and Lance who probably don't belong on a nba roster...
That is why 2019 is more viable..
You can stretch noah..
Lance is non guaranteed...
Hopefully you can trade Lee this year for an expiring...
You have another year adding a lot to pick...
This year was never going to happen even with no Hardaway
One deal i would try to push for is to potentially swap Courtney Lee and Crowder. Maybe it takes a 2nd round pick to get it done. Exum is a FA, Lee would be a solid back up playmaker/floor spacer for them. I still like Crowder, I think he would be a solid fit at the 3 for the Knicks even if he is a bit below average of a 3 point shooter. Need a grinder like him, plus he's still in his prime.
Unfortunately I agree with this. I don't think many teams are signing up for Lee for 2 years 25 million at 32 years old. Would he even get that contract if he was a FA this summer?
The NBA salary cap economy has changed. Very few teams have cap space and teams are targeting the 2019 summer.
I dont buy that for a second nor do I think the hardaway signing was terrible. Knicks want to add talent without subtracting assets. I dont think they want to do any of those 2 for 1 type deals right now. Thats why they signed hardaway, even if it was a bit of an overpay, maybe. They had a chance to add a young scorer without subtracting anything.
I think theyd try for a guy like Leonard but other than that they will stay the course, possibly go after someone in FA and draft a kid this summer. Then follow the same approach in 2019.
Fizdale main mission is to have a great relationship with kp and create a new culture and narrative
He's still a waste of money. Guy is straight garbage.
He cried because after a loss fizdale asked the team if they wanted to win a championship and if they thought they could...
Then fix told him it was no longer the slow grind and that they were going up tempo spread em out like they did in miami...
How on earth on PJ select Frenchie ahead of this guy. His drives to and through the paint were like a hot knife through butter, his 3s were there, and he sees the floor and connects with the open man on all manner of passes that catch the defense napping like a Steve Nash. Sheesh. No wonder the GM of the Jazz was doing cartwheels when Phil selected Ntilikina. I know this is not new news, I just had no idea how big a talent he is.
How on earth on PJ select Frenchie ahead of this guy. His drives to and through the paint were like a hot knife through butter, his 3s were there, and he sees the floor and connects with the open man on all manner of passes that catch the defense napping like a Steve Nash. Sheesh. No wonder the GM of the Jazz was doing cartwheels when Phil selected Ntilikina. I know this is not new news, I just had no idea how big a talent he is.
First off 12 other teams past on him..
2nd no one thought he would be this good otherwise he would not not been taken 13th..
3rd he was older usually in the draft teams rather go for younger potential...
4th his shot was not very good in college so people thought he would struggle from 3...
5th he played off the ball, people didn't think he could play the point therefore he would be a short shooting guard...
6th dont dismiss frank, he is already one of the better perimeter defenders in the league and he is only 19, it is a big adjustment coming from euro to the nba...
So 12 teams should fire their gms?
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Fizdale - man I thought Princeton was a better school.
80% of those 11 names were junk that really shouldn't have sniffed the job. I get not hiring Blatt if you don't think it fits. Mark Jackson is coming off a really ugly ending in golden state and he's been an untouchable around the league since. Not a single good thing has been said about his time there, and a lot of bad has.
That's not totally true. A lot of Warriors front office folks, players, and even members of the current coaching staff have credited Jackson for the way the team plays defense, and for turning around the culture. But it's definitely true that there has been a lot of criticism towards him as well.
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No, should of never had that much power