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nygiants16 : 5/3/2018 5:47 pm
According to woj
He was a lot closer to the top of my list than the bottom.  
bceagle05 : 5/3/2018 5:56 pm : link
Not the perfect choice, but a massive upgrade over the recent garbage, that's for sure. Good luck, Fiz!
I  
Jon in NYC : 5/3/2018 5:57 pm : link
go back and forth on him. My top choice was Bud, but it seems like he's going to MKE.

I just wish someone could explain how he did such a good job but then got fired so quickly.
Dont feel too strongly one way or another  
mfsd : 5/3/2018 5:59 pm : link
but Im glad they didnt succumb to the nostalgic lure of Van Gundy or Mark Jax

Bucks and other possible openings obviously motivated the Knicks to get it closed. Hope it turns out better than when the Giants rushed the McAdoo hire to keep him away from Philly
Great hire!  
Sean : 5/3/2018 6:00 pm : link
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I ranked him  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/3/2018 6:00 pm : link
behind Blatt and Bud. But thank god it wasn't Mark Jackson, not that anything matters so long as Dolan owns the team.
Take that for data  
Giantology : 5/3/2018 6:00 pm : link
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Thank God  
dk in TX : 5/3/2018 6:06 pm : link
It's not Blatt.
RE: I  
BigBlueShock : 5/3/2018 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13953309 Jon in NYC said:
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go back and forth on him. My top choice was Bud, but it seems like he's going to MKE.

I just wish someone could explain how he did such a good job but then got fired so quickly.

He got fired because of his disagreement with Gasol.
His strongest trait is supposed to be  
Dave on the UWS : 5/3/2018 6:17 pm : link
developing young players isn't it? Well that's just what this team needs, develop the young players here (KP included) and the ones to come.
Yeah we're going places  
ghost718 : 5/3/2018 6:17 pm : link
Make way
He turned down phoenix for the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 5/3/2018 6:17 pm : link
According to espn he plans to fly to Latvia to meet with kp
BeezKid is a huge Knicks  
Beezer : 5/3/2018 6:18 pm : link
And NBA fan. He was calling for Fiz mid-season. Glad he got his guy. Hoping this makes a difference.
He was my top choice  
TheMick7 : 5/3/2018 6:20 pm : link
Young,experienced,has great rapport w/NBA players (w/exception of Gasol) At 43,hopefully a coach that will be allowed to grow w/the young team they surround him with!
Plans to fly to Latvia  
ghost718 : 5/3/2018 6:21 pm : link
Just don't forget the shirt

It's fine  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2018 6:24 pm : link
His success of failure will depend on the ability to get him a roster that isn't full of holes.
They interview 11 and get  
Phil in LA : 5/3/2018 6:41 pm : link
Fizdale - man I thought Princeton was a better school.
RE: They interview 11 and get  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2018 6:59 pm : link
In comment 13953373 Phil in LA said:
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Fizdale - man I thought Princeton was a better school.


80% of those 11 names were junk that really shouldn't have sniffed the job. I get not hiring Blatt if you don't think it fits. Mark Jackson is coming off a really ugly ending in golden state and he's been an untouchable around the league since. Not a single good thing has been said about his time there, and a lot of bad has.
Fizdale can fix the culture here..  
Sean : 5/3/2018 7:01 pm : link
Comes from Riley/Spoelstra? Good enough for me.
Please be awesome  
djm : 5/3/2018 7:06 pm : link
Please. Pretty please.
I'm happy we got him  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/3/2018 7:06 pm : link
Really wanted Bud though.

But I don't think I've ever said this, but I'm quite happy and impressed how the Knicks FO handled this. They got a young, hungry coach while doing their due diligence during the hiring process.

Do the  
mattyblue : 5/3/2018 7:12 pm : link
Knicks get a new coach every year?
Let's hope now  
nygiants16 : 5/3/2018 7:16 pm : link
The Knicks let him build something and do not get impatient...

The key will be how he develops the young kids, no more quick fixes!!!
RE: Do the  
djm : 5/3/2018 7:22 pm : link
In comment 13953425 mattyblue said:
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Knicks get a new coach every year?


Just joked with the wife that weve been together for 10 years now, married for 8, and the Knicks have gone through more coaches than the number of big fights weve had. Awesome marriage yes, but shitty Knicks organization as well.
Got shit canned in Memphis  
Phil in LA : 5/3/2018 7:25 pm : link
Because he couldnt get along with their big Euro, and our best player is a big Euro. Mills and Perry are imbeciles.
RE: Got shit canned in Memphis  
nygiants16 : 5/3/2018 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13953438 Phil in LA said:
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Because he couldnt get along with their big Euro, and our best player is a big Euro. Mills and Perry are imbeciles.


It had nothing to do with Gasol being euro maybe you should go do some research
Gadol is not  
Phil in LA : 5/3/2018 7:36 pm : link
A big Euro?
Common Phil  
Dave on the UWS : 5/3/2018 7:41 pm : link
that's an over simplification and you know it. The "rumors" we're Fiz wanted to run one kind of offense and it didn't feature Gasol thus the issues. I think Fizdale learned from that experience thus why he wants to go to Latvia to meet with KP. He knows he's his franchise player and he gets nowhere without him. That's a pretty good start.
D'antoni got fired because of Melo  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/3/2018 7:47 pm : link
Sloan got fired because of DWill
Maybe Fizdale got fired because of Gasol
Blatt got fired because of LeBron

But Melo and DWill are coach killers and malcontents. And Gasol was used to his system where he just shot at the elbow. He didn't like Fiz coming in and trying to open up the offense.
Gasol was mad because offense was not run through him  
nygiants16 : 5/3/2018 7:49 pm : link
He then was benched for lazy defense the next day fizdale was fired..

Yes mills and Perry are imbeciles, have you seen the reaction from around the league about this hire?
How is Perry an imbecile?  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/3/2018 7:54 pm : link
I'm pretty sure he's done nothing wrong so far.
I wonder if Mrs. Fizdale will be at MSG  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/3/2018 8:06 pm : link
RE: Got shit canned in Memphis  
Enzo : 5/3/2018 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13953438 Phil in LA said:
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Because he couldnt get along with their big Euro, and our best player is a big Euro. Mills and Perry are imbeciles.

Mills is an imbecile. Jury is out on Perry. But your "big Euro" comparison is fucking stupid.
RE: Please be awesome  
Enzo : 5/3/2018 8:28 pm : link
In comment 13953414 djm said:
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Please. Pretty please.

I'd settle for competent.
yet another example of how Isola  
Enzo : 5/3/2018 8:34 pm : link
is the worst. Makes the whole thing about LeBron and his falling out with Gasol. As if there's nothing else to this hire.
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RE: Got shit canned in Memphis  
BigBlueShock : 5/3/2018 8:38 pm : link
In comment 13953438 Phil in LA said:
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Because he couldnt get along with their big Euro, and our best player is a big Euro. Mills and Perry are imbeciles.

Have you been drinking? He didnt get along with Gasol so he surely wont get along with KP because they are both from a county in Europe? Wtf has happened to you? Thats the most absurd thing Ive ever read on this site, and thats saying something.
Meh  
Greg from LI : 5/3/2018 8:47 pm : link
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For what it's worth...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/3/2018 8:49 pm : link
LBJ loves him. LBJ could move elsewhere this summer. One can dream....
Woodson might come back  
moespree : 5/3/2018 9:31 pm : link
He supposedly said the other day if the Knicks hired Fizdale he'd be fine returning as his main assistant.
RE: For what it's worth...  
Anakim : 5/3/2018 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13953548 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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LBJ loves him. LBJ could move elsewhere this summer. One can dream....


Where have I heard this before?
RE: Woodson might come back  
Anakim : 5/3/2018 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13953605 moespree said:
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He supposedly said the other day if the Knicks hired Fizdale he'd be fine returning as his main assistant.



Just speaking with a buddy of mine, would that really be an upgrade? He noted that Jordan's defense really deteriorated since Woodson came aboard. Woodson had versatile guys and guys that can switch...do the Knicks?
RE: Fizdale can fix the culture here..  
Anakim : 5/3/2018 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13953407 Sean said:
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Comes from Riley/Spoelstra? Good enough for me.


I'd rather have the guy from the Popovich tree
Learn to shave with  
Phil in LA : 5/3/2018 9:39 pm : link
Occam's Razor. This shitty coach has been out a wondering since he got in a fight with Gasol. Horrible fucking hire.
Well see how things go next season  
djm : 5/3/2018 9:46 pm : link
I cant blame anyone for fearing the worst like phil is but Id like to think Perry/mills cleared the air regarding KPs place in fizdales offense.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/3/2018 9:55 pm : link
Bill Simmons kept mentioning Becky Hammon as a good hire. That'd be intriguing. Also would have given NYK some positive press after the whole Zeke sexual harassment lawsuit.
Knicks said they wanted a player development guy  
Phil in LA : 5/3/2018 9:56 pm : link
And a defensive culture guy, which was Bud. Maybe Stack or Larraaga. Instead the Knicks hire a guy who is neither.
RE: Learn to shave with  
Sgrcts : 5/3/2018 10:25 pm : link
In comment 13953616 Phil in LA said:
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Occam's Razor. This shitty coach has been out a wondering since he got in a fight with Gasol. Horrible fucking hire.


Your reasoning for this being a bad hire is definitely as dumb as it gets. Fizdale got fired this year. He was mentioned as a candidate for every job that was open. He had a falling out with Gasol so KP wont like him, because theyre both Europeans? They arent even from remotely the same country. Just awful awful reasoning.
RE: Learn to shave with  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2018 10:28 pm : link
In comment 13953616 Phil in LA said:
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Occam's Razor. This shitty coach has been out a wondering since he got in a fight with Gasol. Horrible fucking hire.


Did you have a few too many tonight? "a wondering"?
Okay  
Phil in LA : 5/3/2018 10:31 pm : link
so getting fired for his treatment of, putting aside of the issue of National Origin of their Best Player and our Best Player, what defense has he established and what players has he developed? Because our management they were looking for a guy who would establish a defensive culture and devlop players?
So given a chance to clear up your argument  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2018 10:37 pm : link
you're going to go with asking for a list of players he developed in his one full season as head coach?
I really wish Isola  
GMEN46 : 5/3/2018 10:47 pm : link
Would get fired. He has to be the most miserable person in the world. He is probably so bitter that he never gets to break any stories and takes it out on Knicks. Dont get me wrong, knicks have deserved plenty of criticism over the years, but this story was done without any research. I just googled grizzlies players thoughts on David Fizdale and the reports were all positive including Conley with some really strong words (nothing from Gasol). He is just annoying overall as a reporter.
Anyway, it seems like it's well recieved by people who actually cover  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2018 10:50 pm : link
the sport.

According to a league source, Mike Budenholzer pulled out of the Suns job due to owner Robert Sarvers hands-on approach, not allowing employees to do their job.

David Fizdale shares the same line of thinking and does not look at Phoenix as an attractive coaching destination.

Michael Scotto
Verified account
5 hours ago
David Fizdale passed on a 4-year offer from the Phoenix Suns before eventually accepting a 4-year offer from the New York Knicks to become head coach, league sources told The Athletic.

Michael Lee
Yahoo Sports NBA

The best organizations have great symmetry between the front office & coaching staff. David Fizdale feels like a Scott Perry guy, in terms of personality & philosophy. Knicks starting to look & act like a serious organization but still need a lot more talent to get out of the rut


Tim Reynolds
Associated Press
David Fizdale was the right choice. Applaud the Knicks for getting this one very, very right.


Jordan Schultz
‏Yahoo Sports
David Fizdale is a grand slam hire for the #Knicks. He is the rare HC who is extremely well respected by players, personnel people, executives and other coaches as well. Has done it right his whole career ... if anyone can turn this team/franchise around, it's Fiz.


He's a unaccomplished coach  
Phil in LA : 5/3/2018 10:51 pm : link
who is 4 games over .500 for his career. I think we just fired a series of beter coaches. Anyway, Dolan said the coach would be a player developer. Fizdale, may be, but has no record of such. The Mills/Perry team said he's be a player developer, and establish a defensive culture. Is that yet evident? They also said it would be importent for the guy to realize he was a team with them. I think that's all they got. Bud was the the move, or one of the younger guys who's been developing players.
Im just not too  
Carl in CT : 5/3/2018 10:53 pm : link
Excited.
I'm surprised they didn't go hard after Budenholzer  
steve in ky : 5/3/2018 10:57 pm : link
As Phil pointed out Fizdale hasn't really proven anything and while he may turn out to be a decent coach can this team really afford another miss at HC right now. Go with the more proven commodity if you ask me.
I'll root for him  
Phil in LA : 5/3/2018 11:02 pm : link
but I don't think he's the transformative guy and he has a really unimpressive record.
RE: He's a unaccomplished coach  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2018 11:05 pm : link
In comment 13953706 Phil in LA said:
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The Mills/Perry team said he's be a player developer, and establish a defensive culture. Is that yet evident?


Considering his coaching background and the team he most recently worked for, I'd think it's likely.

Whatever you think of Pat Riley, he was a legendary hardass for preparation and work ethic. Spoelstra is in the same vein and I don't think you spend eight years working there if you don't have that value system. Memphis gave him his first coaching job, and that's a franchise that has been defense-first as well.
Ten Ton  
Phil in LA : 5/3/2018 11:16 pm : link
he's achieved nothing. He went to a bad school. Didn't establish himself anywher on his own. Looks ver much luch a Mills/Perry toady. I litterally can't imagine a less impressive pick. And I do acknowledge that guys like Mark Jackson, Brown and Woodson were even less "fresh." Got nothing they said they were looking for here.
I believe everyone wanted Bud  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/4/2018 12:27 am : link
But odds are he wants Milwaukee over NY.

This isn't Derek Fisher all over again. Or Jeff fkin Hornacek.

Everyone loves this move. Just be glad it isn't Mark Jackson.

After a decades long series of misfires  
Phil in LA : 5/4/2018 12:53 am : link
they needed to come up with a better coach, not just a sigh of relief that it's not Jackson or Brown or Woodson. Something better had to happen, and Hornacek seems to have been a better coach than Fizdale.
Btw  
Phil in LA : 5/4/2018 1:51 am : link
Heres a prediction:the introductory presser will be as much about Mills and Perry as it is about Fizdale.
RE: I wonder if Mrs. Fizdale will be at MSG  
chopperhatch : 5/4/2018 2:09 am : link
In comment 13953491 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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LT coming up big as usual.

Hoky smokes! Natasha Sen....she farts, I suck. And no, there is no money in it for me.









Miami players  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 2:27 am : link
Credit fizdale for a lot of the development of those players...

Wade and lebron love the guy and both have said how important he was...

Spoelstra raves about the guy and basically said he Hope's he goes to the west...

Oh and by the way  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 2:35 am : link
The Grizzlies were ripped apart for firing him...

Most considered him the best young coach on the market...

Yet according to you mills and Perry are imbeciles
RE: After a decades long series of misfires  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/4/2018 4:30 am : link
In comment 13953752 Phil in LA said:
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they needed to come up with a better coach, not just a sigh of relief that it's not Jackson or Brown or Woodson. Something better had to happen, and Hornacek seems to have been a better coach than Fizdale.


D'Antoni wasn't a bad hire. We've had a decade long series of shitty talent and no draft picks.
Don't confuse  
XBRONX : 5/4/2018 5:51 am : link
Phil with facts
Bud  
TyreeHelmet : 5/4/2018 7:35 am : link
If they chose Fizdale over Bud then I think thats a terrible choice. If Bud didnt fully want the Knicks job and Fiz is the 2nd choice- I understand that.

There is water at the bottom of the ocean,  
GiantsUA : 5/4/2018 7:59 am : link
under the water, to carry the water.
I think its simple  
giantsfan44ab : 5/4/2018 8:00 am : link
If the Knicks dont make the playoffs in the next 2 seasons the coach would be fired, regardless of who was hired.
RE: There is water at the bottom of the ocean,  
Beezer : 5/4/2018 8:07 am : link
In comment 13953832 GiantsUA said:
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under the water, to carry the water.


Ha!
RE: Bud  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 8:18 am : link
In comment 13953810 TyreeHelmet said:
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If they chose Fizdale over Bud then I think thats a terrible choice. If Bud didnt fully want the Knicks job and Fiz is the 2nd choice- I understand that.


I wonder if bud asked for power in the front office and that is the reason Knicks liked fizdale a little more....

Or it could be bud was not fully committed and fizdale was, he supposedly turned down the suns in Hope's of coming to knicks...

I have a feeling bud is going to take the year off
Sounded like Bud wanted the NY job  
steve in ky : 5/4/2018 8:25 am : link
but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.
.  
Pep22 : 5/4/2018 8:38 am : link
Player development wise, I believe he was instrumental in Josh Richardson, Tyler Johnson and Hassan Whiteside's growth. He helped transform (extend) the games of BIGs Bosh and Gasol. We are all aware of the friction w the latter. I am not aware of any other Grizzlies that developed well under DF.

I'd like to learn about how he subscribes to use of advanced metrics, analytics.

Still learning about him, but to this point, I am impressed.

RE: Sounded like Bud wanted the NY job  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 8:40 am : link
In comment 13953873 steve in ky said:
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but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.


It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired
RE: RE: Sounded like Bud wanted the NY job  
steve in ky : 5/4/2018 8:41 am : link
In comment 13953901 nygiants16 said:
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but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.



It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired


And that's why some people are complaining.
RE: For what it's worth...  
Beezer : 5/4/2018 8:42 am : link
In comment 13953548 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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LBJ loves him. LBJ could move elsewhere this summer. One can dream....


He'd come to NY and stop taking HGH. lolol (I kid, I kid ... or DOOOOO I?)
RE: RE: RE: Sounded like Bud wanted the NY job  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 8:52 am : link
In comment 13953904 steve in ky said:
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but even if he at some point decided to also consider another position why not at least make him an offer and then if he turns it down move on to your second choice? Go hard after the best candidate and try and hire him prior to any other team getting the chance seemed like the obvious move IMO.



It seems fiz was always there number 1 Choice, they reached out to him 2 weeks before hornacek was fired



And that's why some people are complaining.


I get it, people wanted bud, but you could also look at it as Knicks got one of the highly coveted guys and that guy wanted to come to the knicks...

RE: Oh and by the way  
Greg from LI : 5/4/2018 9:14 am : link
In comment 13953759 nygiants16 said:
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Yet according to you mills and Perry are imbeciles


Perry, I can't say, but Steve Mills absolutely is an imbecile.
Bud does have  
Phil in LA : 5/4/2018 9:21 am : link
A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.

Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.
RE: Bud does have  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 13953989 Phil in LA said:
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A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.

Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.


So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?

Player after player talking about him means nothing?

Doesnt mean nothing  
Phil in LA : 5/4/2018 9:34 am : link
But individual achievement is more important than his friends saying nice things about him.
It's OK to be skeptical of the move  
aimrocky : 5/4/2018 9:36 am : link
Fizdale doesn't have a standout resume, there were better candidates on the market and the Knicks have a track record of making poor decisions.

This is better than landing Mark Jackson, but I'm with Phil on this... I'd have much rather gone with Bud or Blatt. At least Fizdale will be a + with recruiting FA's, when that time comes. His actual coaching acumen remains to be seen.
RE: RE: Bud does have  
steve in ky : 5/4/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13954004 nygiants16 said:
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A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.

Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.



So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?

Player after player talking about him means nothing?


The thing is though is that this team desperately needs to get this HC hire right. Instead of going on potential which may or not pan out (and often doesn't) how about go after the guy who was the 2015 NBA Coach of the Year and who ran the Hawks for five seasons with four straight playoff berths?
RE: Doesnt mean nothing  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13954021 Phil in LA said:
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But individual achievement is more important than his friends saying nice things about him.


The entire Memphis grizzly team was pissed he was fired except for Gasol, that should tell you something right there..
RE: RE: RE: Bud does have  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 9:39 am : link
In comment 13954032 steve in ky said:
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A more clear cut record of developing talent, not an is said to have. He was probably not the third part of the leadership team Mills and Perry were looking for.

Was a big fan of DAntoni. Will be interesting to see if Woodson becomes Fizdales DC. He was hired to be Mikes but it didnt work out.



So Erik spoelstra talking about the importance of fiz means nothing?

Player after player talking about him means nothing?




The thing is though is that this team desperately needs to get this HC hire right. Instead of going on potential which may or not pan out (and often doesn't) how about go after the guy who was the 2015 NBA Coach of the Year and who ran the Hawks for five seasons with four straight playoff berths?


It doesn't matter unless the Knicks get the right pieces I llace...

Maybe bud didn't want to be patient, maybe he wanted to win right now...
And I get why people want bud  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 9:43 am : link
But calling the Knicks imbeciles for hiring fizdale is a little over the top...

Fiz  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2018 9:59 am : link
is a very solid hire. No complaints here. I probably wouldn't have held to it but Mark Jackson had me considering bailing on the Knicks (until Dolan were gone).
Everyone needs to  
GMEN46 : 5/4/2018 10:00 am : link
Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this years pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.
RE: Everyone needs to  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2018 10:02 am : link
In comment 13954082 GMEN46 said:
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Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this years pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.


Not even the Knicks are that dumb. If Lebron indicated he wanted to come here if they added XYZ they would add XYZ. They aren't singing "kind of star player X" in order to interest Lebron. One of the first calls of the off-season will be to gauge Lebron's interest and flat out ask him what it would take to have him on board (if anything).
No sources  
giantsfan44ab : 5/4/2018 10:03 am : link
gut just tells me Bud will be the Bucks coach. I don't see the point in arguing Bud until that shakes out. Milwaukee right now is as about a dream situation there is for a coaching candidate.
RE: RE: Everyone needs to  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 13954089 DanMetroMan said:
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Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this years pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.



Not even the Knicks are that dumb. If Lebron indicated he wanted to come here if they added XYZ they would add XYZ. They aren't singing "kind of star player X" in order to interest Lebron. One of the first calls of the off-season will be to gauge Lebron's interest and flat out ask him what it would take to have him on board (if anything).


Yup, if lebron says I am coming if you get this guy, you go and get that guy...

You dont go and get that guy and then call lebron...

You have a guy who le Ron will talk to, have him make the call, if lebron says no chance, you stay the course
I'm in favor of holding tight  
giantsfan44ab : 5/4/2018 10:05 am : link
even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.
RE: I'm in favor of holding tight  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:06 am : link
In comment 13954107 giantsfan44ab said:
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even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.


Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi
Lebron  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2018 10:09 am : link
flat out saying he's coming here if you add Leonard is the one scenario where I am fine dealing KP.
RE: Lebron  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 13954118 DanMetroMan said:
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flat out saying he's coming here if you add Leonard is the one scenario where I am fine dealing KP.


As much as I would hate it, you have to do it
I really want to see frank with fiz as head coach  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:11 am : link
..
If one of the reasons behind hiring this Fritzdale  
ghost718 : 5/4/2018 10:12 am : link
is to recruit Lebron,than they would be better off hiring the next fan who walks out of Penn Station as GM.There thinking is not much different.

If they had any guts,they would have hired someone like Stackhouse
RE: RE: I'm in favor of holding tight  
giantsfan44ab : 5/4/2018 10:12 am : link
In comment 13954109 nygiants16 said:
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even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.



Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi


I think you know what my opinion is on the possibility of that happening :).

Just giving a realistic path I think that they should follow.
RE: RE: RE: I'm in favor of holding tight  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:18 am : link
In comment 13954134 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13954107 giantsfan44ab said:


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even if Kanter opts out. Get a top pick and head back into FA. Give someone like Derrick Favors a 1 year deal with the cap space and see if he would be a good fit with KP.



Of lebron says I am coming if you get kawhi for example, you are going to do everything you can to get kawhi



I think you know what my opinion is on the possibility of that happening :).

Just giving a realistic path I think that they should follow.


Oh dont get me wrong I think there is zero chance lebron comes
Lebron  
TyreeHelmet : 5/4/2018 10:32 am : link
I just dont see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.

The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.

The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.

Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?
RE: Lebron  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 13954184 TyreeHelmet said:
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I just dont see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.

The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.

The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.

Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?


You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?

How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?
If LeBron  
steve in ky : 5/4/2018 10:36 am : link
was even remotely weighed into during the coaching hire decision it would be inexcusable.
RE: If LeBron  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:37 am : link
In comment 13954190 steve in ky said:
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was even remotely weighed into during the coaching hire decision it would be inexcusable.


I am sure he wasn't, it is isola and berman
Im ok with Fizz  
Earl the goat : 5/4/2018 10:42 am : link
I was hoping for Stackhouse

But In all honesty. Kanter and Oquinn opting out gives the Knicks cap room to go after Capela or Randle which would be a nice compliment to KP
And hopefully hitting a home run in this draft (Mikhal Bridges) gives the Knicks and Fizz a nice young nucleus for the future
RE: I wonder if Mrs. Fizdale will be at MSG  
NY2Carolina : 5/4/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13953491 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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[ I sure hope so.]
RE: RE: Lebron  
TyreeHelmet : 5/4/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 13954188 nygiants16 said:
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I just dont see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.

The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.

The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.

Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?



You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?

How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?


Im well aware of how the salary cap works. Let me just say this is beyond a pipe dream for the Knicks. But without Hardaways 17.5mill a year on the books, it would be significantly easier for the Knicks to create space for 2 maxes. Not to mention the 5 million to Ron Baker.

- Kanter and KOQ opt out.
- Dump Lees salary

Without Hardaway or Baker that would put them at close to 60 million in cap space.
Nygiants16  
GMEN46 : 5/4/2018 10:50 am : link
Without hardaway you wouldnt have 2 outright max spaces but it would be very easy to sign and trade. Lottery pick with Lee and Thomas contracts attached to it could easily free up the space or you can use lottery pick and other assets to sign and trade for a star. Next year Noah and Lees contracts can extremely valuable in trades.
RE: If LeBron  
Enzo : 5/4/2018 10:51 am : link
In comment 13954190 steve in ky said:
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was even remotely weighed into during the coaching hire decision it would be inexcusable.

it's just media BS at this point. Most fans moved on from this pipe dream EIGHT years ago. We don't even get meetings with top free agents these days, let alone the second best player of all time.
RE: RE: I wonder if Mrs. Fizdale will be at MSG  
NY2Carolina : 5/4/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13953755 chopperhatch said:
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[ Bless YOU my son]
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LT coming up big as usual.

Hoky smokes! Natasha Sen....she farts, I suck. And no, there is no money in it for me.









RE: RE: RE: Lebron  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:57 am : link
In comment 13954213 TyreeHelmet said:
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I just dont see it. With KPs injury, coming to the Knicks would be a massive downgrade in roster talent compared to Cleveland.

The sad thing is, without Hardaway on the books and if Kanter/KOQ opted out, the Knicks could have created space for 2 maxes this offseason. That signing was so bad on so many levels.

The more I read about Fizdale the more I like hire. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes in Memphis.

Lastly, I really wish Mills wasnt still so involved. How is this guy still allowed to be involved in basketball decisions?



You really have no idea how the salary cap works do you?

How would they have 2 maxes if they didn't sign hardaway?



Im well aware of how the salary cap works. Let me just say this is beyond a pipe dream for the Knicks. But without Hardaways 17.5mill a year on the books, it would be significantly easier for the Knicks to create space for 2 maxes. Not to mention the 5 million to Ron Baker.

- Kanter and KOQ opt out.
- Dump Lees salary

Without Hardaway or Baker that would put them at close to 60 million in cap space.


Are you taking into account the 5 to 8 million dollar salary for the first round pick?

All the cap holds that would be on the roster?

Also where you dumping lee tk get rid of his contract with so little teams that have cap space?

Lebrons max is around 30 million by himself
RE: Nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:59 am : link
In comment 13954215 GMEN46 said:
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Without hardaway you wouldnt have 2 outright max spaces but it would be very easy to sign and trade. Lottery pick with Lee and Thomas contracts attached to it could easily free up the space or you can use lottery pick and other assets to sign and trade for a star. Next year Noah and Lees contracts can extremely valuable in trades.


Why the hell would you attach a lottery pick to Lance's contract when it is non guaranteed after next year?

No one has cap space this year no one is outright taking Lee's deal..
Oh and doing a sign trade is stupid  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 10:59 am : link
Because then you have a hard cap and for a team that wants to go over the cap to sign kp yiu have to be very very careful
NYgiants16  
TyreeHelmet : 5/4/2018 11:39 am : link
My main point is if everything happened to break right and Lebron wanted to come to NY, then having Hardaway's contract on the books makes it harder. I'm not sure how thats disputable. Because he would need to be bringing another star and more.

The Knicks currently have-

1 unmovable contract that's probably the worst in the league-Noah

1 contract that is really bad that would need sweeteners to move but not impossible - THJ

1 contract that isn't horrible but won't be easy to move without taking money back - Lee

Not to mention the 12 million between Baker and Lance who probably don't belong on a nba roster...

I think we've been overvauling  
giantsfan44ab : 5/4/2018 11:44 am : link
how easy it would be to dump Lee. He isn't a difference maker, it doesn't make sense for many teams to trade for him and take on additional salary space.

One deal i would try to push for is to potentially swap Courtney Lee and Crowder. Maybe it takes a 2nd round pick to get it done. Exum is a FA, Lee would be a solid back up playmaker/floor spacer for them. I still like Crowder, I think he would be a solid fit at the 3 for the Knicks even if he is a bit below average of a 3 point shooter. Need a grinder like him, plus he's still in his prime.
RE: I think we've been overvauling  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 11:50 am : link
In comment 13954288 giantsfan44ab said:
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how easy it would be to dump Lee. He isn't a difference maker, it doesn't make sense for many teams to trade for him and take on additional salary space.

One deal i would try to push for is to potentially swap Courtney Lee and Crowder. Maybe it takes a 2nd round pick to get it done. Exum is a FA, Lee would be a solid back up playmaker/floor spacer for them. I still like Crowder, I think he would be a solid fit at the 3 for the Knicks even if he is a bit below average of a 3 point shooter. Need a grinder like him, plus he's still in his prime.


That is why 2019 is more viable, you can trade him for an expiring and save 12 million next year
RE: NYgiants16  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 11:52 am : link
In comment 13954282 TyreeHelmet said:
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My main point is if everything happened to break right and Lebron wanted to come to NY, then having Hardaway's contract on the books makes it harder. I'm not sure how thats disputable. Because he would need to be bringing another star and more.

The Knicks currently have-

1 unmovable contract that's probably the worst in the league-Noah

1 contract that is really bad that would need sweeteners to move but not impossible - THJ

1 contract that isn't horrible but won't be easy to move without taking money back - Lee

Not to mention the 12 million between Baker and Lance who probably don't belong on a nba roster...


That is why 2019 is more viable..

You can stretch noah..

Lance is non guaranteed...

Hopefully you can trade Lee this year for an expiring...

You have another year adding a lot to pick...

This year was never going to happen even with no Hardaway
RE: I think we've been overvauling  
TyreeHelmet : 5/4/2018 12:15 pm : link
In comment 13954288 giantsfan44ab said:
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how easy it would be to dump Lee. He isn't a difference maker, it doesn't make sense for many teams to trade for him and take on additional salary space.

One deal i would try to push for is to potentially swap Courtney Lee and Crowder. Maybe it takes a 2nd round pick to get it done. Exum is a FA, Lee would be a solid back up playmaker/floor spacer for them. I still like Crowder, I think he would be a solid fit at the 3 for the Knicks even if he is a bit below average of a 3 point shooter. Need a grinder like him, plus he's still in his prime.


Unfortunately I agree with this. I don't think many teams are signing up for Lee for 2 years 25 million at 32 years old. Would he even get that contract if he was a FA this summer?

The NBA salary cap economy has changed. Very few teams have cap space and teams are targeting the 2019 summer.
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Anakim : 5/4/2018 7:46 pm : link
Knicks to name Keith Smart as assistant per @NYPost_Berman
RE: Everyone needs to  
djm : 5/4/2018 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13954082 GMEN46 said:
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Be prepared that if Kanter opts out and Oquinn opts out knicks are going to trade this years pick and try to make a splash. The signing of hardaway was so bad last year as we all know. They are going to overpay for a star with the hope of landing Lebron. They key is can they do it without sending Frank.


I dont buy that for a second nor do I think the hardaway signing was terrible. Knicks want to add talent without subtracting assets. I dont think they want to do any of those 2 for 1 type deals right now. Thats why they signed hardaway, even if it was a bit of an overpay, maybe. They had a chance to add a young scorer without subtracting anything.

I think theyd try for a guy like Leonard but other than that they will stay the course, possibly go after someone in FA and draft a kid this summer. Then follow the same approach in 2019.
It's been discussed endlessly  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/4/2018 10:32 pm : link
Tim Hardaway Jr was signed to a contract that pays him as the 17th best shooting guard. Just because you think he's overpaid doesn't make it so.
Good podcast with woj and begley  
nygiants16 : 5/4/2018 11:00 pm : link
Basically says fizdale was the guy from the start, talk a bout how Perry is basically running the Knicks and this hire proves it...

Fizdale main mission is to have a great relationship with kp and create a new culture and narrative
RE: It's been discussed endlessly  
Greg from LI : 5/4/2018 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13955050 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Tim Hardaway Jr was signed to a contract that pays him as the 17th best shooting guard. Just because you think he's overpaid doesn't make it so.


He's still a waste of money. Guy is straight garbage.
The more I read about fiz and gasol  
nygiants16 : 5/5/2018 12:50 pm : link
Gasol sounds like a little bitch...

He cried because after a loss fizdale asked the team if they wanted to win a championship and if they thought they could...

Then fix told him it was no longer the slow grind and that they were going up tempo spread em out like they did in miami...
Dominic Mitchell  
ColHowPepper : 5/5/2018 12:57 pm : link
I apologize for the millering of your thread, nyg16, but Holy Crap, I just watched highlights of his game vs. Houston Friday (?)....

How on earth on PJ select Frenchie ahead of this guy. His drives to and through the paint were like a hot knife through butter, his 3s were there, and he sees the floor and connects with the open man on all manner of passes that catch the defense napping like a Steve Nash. Sheesh. No wonder the GM of the Jazz was doing cartwheels when Phil selected Ntilikina. I know this is not new news, I just had no idea how big a talent he is.
RE: Dominic Mitchell  
nygiants16 : 5/5/2018 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13955382 ColHowPepper said:
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I apologize for the millering of your thread, nyg16, but Holy Crap, I just watched highlights of his game vs. Houston Friday (?)....

How on earth on PJ select Frenchie ahead of this guy. His drives to and through the paint were like a hot knife through butter, his 3s were there, and he sees the floor and connects with the open man on all manner of passes that catch the defense napping like a Steve Nash. Sheesh. No wonder the GM of the Jazz was doing cartwheels when Phil selected Ntilikina. I know this is not new news, I just had no idea how big a talent he is.


First off 12 other teams past on him..

2nd no one thought he would be this good otherwise he would not not been taken 13th..

3rd he was older usually in the draft teams rather go for younger potential...

4th his shot was not very good in college so people thought he would struggle from 3...

5th he played off the ball, people didn't think he could play the point therefore he would be a short shooting guard...

6th dont dismiss frank, he is already one of the better perimeter defenders in the league and he is only 19, it is a big adjustment coming from euro to the nba...
Some of you need to remember  
Carl in CT : 5/5/2018 4:34 pm : link
Some people only job is to rank players to be drafted. I agree with some before me, miss this bad and you should be fired. I mean there is no comparison and its obvious. More than 80% of us (if we all saw them play multiple times and all their games on film) could tell Mitchell is on a different level.
RE: Some of you need to remember  
nygiants16 : 5/5/2018 10:16 pm : link
In comment 13955586 Carl in CT said:
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Some people only job is to rank players to be drafted. I agree with some before me, miss this bad and you should be fired. I mean there is no comparison and its obvious. More than 80% of us (if we all saw them play multiple times and all their games on film) could tell Mitchell is on a different level.


So 12 teams should fire their gms?
RE: RE: They interview 11 and get  
santacruzom : 5/5/2018 10:43 pm : link
In comment 13953405 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Fizdale - man I thought Princeton was a better school.



80% of those 11 names were junk that really shouldn't have sniffed the job. I get not hiring Blatt if you don't think it fits. Mark Jackson is coming off a really ugly ending in golden state and he's been an untouchable around the league since. Not a single good thing has been said about his time there, and a lot of bad has.


That's not totally true. A lot of Warriors front office folks, players, and even members of the current coaching staff have credited Jackson for the way the team plays defense, and for turning around the culture. But it's definitely true that there has been a lot of criticism towards him as well.
Would this have changed anything? Would you have wanted SVG?  
Anakim : 5/7/2018 1:20 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski

Verified account

@wojespn

Source: Stan Van Gundy and the Pistons have parted ways.
RE: Would this have changed anything? Would you have wanted SVG?  
nygiants16 : 5/7/2018 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13956967 Anakim said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski

Verified account

@wojespn

Source: Stan Van Gundy and the Pistons have parted ways.


No, should of never had that much power
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