He go beat pretty badly by some pass rushers. He was just a rookie and did play well at times. But they need to see what happens when the games count before pronouncing him the long term solution at right tackle.
But he still needs to prove he can stay healthy. His high school and college careers were riddled with injury. If the plan is to start him and jettison Flowers, they will need to bring in a veteran swing tackle as insurance.
Wheelers biggest knock going into last year’s draft was Â
His character and his strength. He has been a model citizen and has had a year in an NFL strength program.
Im not sure the notion of NFL strength program means quite what it once did comparatively. These days many high schools have robust strength programs. I’d imagine USC isn’t lacking.
If he was a "cleaner" prospect he would have been, at worst, a mid Rd pick. It's a distinct possibility he could be the starter week 1. He's a good prospect.
for week 1 and Flowers serves as the swing tackle if he isn't traded in TC due to an injury demand on another team. Keep in mind that we have Ellison to lend help in the blocking department along with a coach that knows how to use him. Rhett's blocking prowess was touted when he signed as a FA. It isn't his fault that Ben didn't know how to use him.
and hang onto it for a while. So far he has worked hard, stayed out of trouble off the field, and just as important he has been healthy. The added 14+ pounds that he added this offseason proves that he is working hard to add the much needed muscle to his frame.
It would be pretty ironic if Wheeler becomes a good starting OT after Reese struggled mightily finding OL with high picks.
I am still hoping. Ereck Flowers is the youngest Offensive Tackle on the Giants Roster. He is also probably the strongest and most talented. He needs to get his head on straight or go join his buddy, Bobby Hart, bagging groceries.
Guys we have a top ten draft pick OT that did not pan out but you believe an UDFA with very limited size and physical tools will become something special why please tell me?
Guys we have a top ten draft pick OT that did not pan out but you believe an UDFA with very limited size and physical tools will become something special why please tell me?
Size especially after adding 15lbs of good weight to his frame (he is now 315) is not the issue.
He also flashed at the toughest position LT last year. He will be playing an easier position at RT amd already has shown excellent lateral ability. There is alot to like there.
Guys we have a top ten draft pick OT that did not pan out but you believe an UDFA with very limited size and physical tools will become something special why please tell me?
Wheeler is 6-7, and at the Combine he weighed in at 306. If the latest reports are to be believed, he's put on somewhere between 14 and 20 pounds, so, for argument's sake let's say he's at 320 now. 6-7, 320, with 33 1/8 arms is hardly limited size.
Physical tools? Admittedly, he did not test well at the Combine, no doubt hampered by the injuries he suffered at USC, but even one of his detractors, Lance Zierlein at NFL.com referred to him as a "Solid athlete."
Among the draft gurus, reviews were mixed. PFF more or less agreed with Zierlein, pegging Wheeler as late-round pick. UDFA Drew Boylhart. though, gave him a first-round grade and Dane Bruegler wrote that he was the 9th best OT in his draft class. CBS put a 4th round grade on him; Walter, rounds 5-7. His injury history and some sketchy off-the-field issues were major concerns, but no one questioned his size, athleticism, or potential. All agreed that he needed to get stronger.
He may never become "something special." Few do. But right now I'll take "serviceable," over "special" at RT, because that's really all we need at this point.
Flowers will probably move on after this contract. So, the rest of his career with Giants is a commercial for his next potential team. Could he get a really good second contract, one year prove it, etc. what he does from this point on will determine that.
There is also Wheeler and Greco has played RT before - not ideal, but he's an option w/experience at the position.
Guys we have a top ten draft pick OT that did not pan out but you believe an UDFA with very limited size and physical tools will become something special why please tell me?
Ereck Flowers has been a bust at LT, but there are some here who want people to do well just because it isn’t Flowers. There is nobody on our roster who should just be awarded the RT position. Let them duke it out in camp and may the best man win.
Wheeler will be the starter, though he will be perhaps the biggest question mark for the 2018 team.
I agree with many of the posters who are hopeful that perhaps we will finally see a motivated and focused Ereck Flowers show up. Since we declined his option, he now has the opportunity to play for a big second contract. While he has been terrible at LT, perhaps he was always a RT in the NFL. I am sure Rosenhaus will ensure we see the best of Ereck Flowers in 2018 - just not sure this is any better than what we have in Wheeler... Time will tell.
Anyone have opinions about where he might be in his development, or what his potential may still be? He seemed to be talked about more than Wheeler when they both walked into the building for the first time. Now he's more of an afterthought, if that.
It's likely that Flowers' problem isn't physical Â
that it's either his work ethic or he's just not coachable (mental).
Looking at Wheeler and saying he lacks the requisite physical tools doesn't tell the whole story. Just look at Brett Jones. I'd rather have a better C, but he's serviceable, and he's not exactly the ideal physical specimen.
it's not uncommon for a man 25 or younger to not be strong enough to compete with older men. It's a fact that most men get physically stronger as they move through their entire 30s, you might hear it referred to by strength trainers as "grown man strength" (no, not a joke).
I liked was his feet. He seemed to move very well, but had strength and some technique deficiencies. He may turn out to be the RT. He may not be the preferred road grader like MacKenzie, but if he keeps Eli comfortable in the pocket he will be just fine.
Was still holding out hope we salvage Flowers, on the right side. Maybe hiring Rosenhaus, will help him get his head on straight. But he keeps on pushing every DG button to show him the door.
I know Bisnowaty is a dart throw, especially the swinging gate we saw last year. However he did come to us with some credentials. I think he started 3 years at Pitt. Who knows maybe he makes the big year 1, to year 2, jump in production.
Was still holding out hope we salvage Flowers, on the right side. Maybe hiring Rosenhaus, will help him get his head on straight. But he keeps on pushing every DG button to show him the door.
I know Bisnowaty is a dart throw, especially the swinging gate we saw last year. However he did come to us with some credentials. I think he started 3 years at Pitt. Who knows maybe he makes the big year 1, to year 2, jump in production.
Love what we’ve done this year overall
But can’t fix it all at once
It would be pretty ironic if Wheeler becomes a good starting OT after Reese struggled mightily finding OL with high picks.
Size especially after adding 15lbs of good weight to his frame (he is now 315) is not the issue.
He also flashed at the toughest position LT last year. He will be playing an easier position at RT amd already has shown excellent lateral ability. There is alot to like there.
Wheeler is 6-7, and at the Combine he weighed in at 306. If the latest reports are to be believed, he's put on somewhere between 14 and 20 pounds, so, for argument's sake let's say he's at 320 now. 6-7, 320, with 33 1/8 arms is hardly limited size.
Physical tools? Admittedly, he did not test well at the Combine, no doubt hampered by the injuries he suffered at USC, but even one of his detractors, Lance Zierlein at NFL.com referred to him as a "Solid athlete."
Among the draft gurus, reviews were mixed. PFF more or less agreed with Zierlein, pegging Wheeler as late-round pick. UDFA Drew Boylhart. though, gave him a first-round grade and Dane Bruegler wrote that he was the 9th best OT in his draft class. CBS put a 4th round grade on him; Walter, rounds 5-7. His injury history and some sketchy off-the-field issues were major concerns, but no one questioned his size, athleticism, or potential. All agreed that he needed to get stronger.
He may never become "something special." Few do. But right now I'll take "serviceable," over "special" at RT, because that's really all we need at this point.
There is also Wheeler and Greco has played RT before - not ideal, but he's an option w/experience at the position.
Ereck Flowers has been a bust at LT, but there are some here who want people to do well just because it isn’t Flowers. There is nobody on our roster who should just be awarded the RT position. Let them duke it out in camp and may the best man win.
I agree with many of the posters who are hopeful that perhaps we will finally see a motivated and focused Ereck Flowers show up. Since we declined his option, he now has the opportunity to play for a big second contract. While he has been terrible at LT, perhaps he was always a RT in the NFL. I am sure Rosenhaus will ensure we see the best of Ereck Flowers in 2018 - just not sure this is any better than what we have in Wheeler... Time will tell.
Anyone have opinions about where he might be in his development, or what his potential may still be? He seemed to be talked about more than Wheeler when they both walked into the building for the first time. Now he's more of an afterthought, if that.
Looking at Wheeler and saying he lacks the requisite physical tools doesn't tell the whole story. Just look at Brett Jones. I'd rather have a better C, but he's serviceable, and he's not exactly the ideal physical specimen.
Beyond him, it's going to be patchwork until they figure out if they can trade for a RT or make one a priority next offseason.
A lot of holes to fill and talent to upgrade, they're doing a very good job with the resources and talent pool available, all things considered.
Which can be worked on.
We have no idea what sort of technique he was told to use, or not, or how much Mac ball sapped his mojo....the story may have another chapter.
Seems like some left Tackles move towards the DE with more confidence and standing higher as opposed to on heels waiting, crouched.
And just short of a miracle to suggest he would be the Starting Right Tackle for this new regime...
I know Bisnowaty is a dart throw, especially the swinging gate we saw last year. However he did come to us with some credentials. I think he started 3 years at Pitt. Who knows maybe he makes the big year 1, to year 2, jump in production.
I know Bisnowaty is a dart throw, especially the swinging gate we saw last year. However he did come to us with some credentials. I think he started 3 years at Pitt. Who knows maybe he makes the big year 1, to year 2, jump in production.