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Long term solution at RT?

adamg : 5/3/2018 6:14 pm
FA or future draft pick? It's not Flowers is it?
Yes  
section125 : 5/3/2018 6:16 pm : link
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Wheeler  
BlueinRoch : 5/3/2018 6:19 pm : link
I got a good feeling. I think he is going to surprise in camp and win the job.
Wheeler  
TheMick7 : 5/3/2018 6:21 pm : link
Already added 15 lbs Looks bigger,stronger than last year.Kid will be our long-term RT!
I hope Wheeler wins the RT job now  
Hammer : 5/3/2018 6:25 pm : link
and then transitions to LT when Solder is done.
We'll see about Wheeler. Last season, it wasn't just about weight.  
Ira : 5/3/2018 6:38 pm : link
He go beat pretty badly by some pass rushers. He was just a rookie and did play well at times. But they need to see what happens when the games count before pronouncing him the long term solution at right tackle.
I like Wheeler a lot...  
Milton : 5/3/2018 6:48 pm : link
But he still needs to prove he can stay healthy. His high school and college careers were riddled with injury. If the plan is to start him and jettison Flowers, they will need to bring in a veteran swing tackle as insurance.
Wheelers biggest knock going into last yearís draft was  
superspynyg : 5/3/2018 6:50 pm : link
His character and his strength. He has been a model citizen and has had a year in an NFL strength program.
I'd place a pretty sizeable bet on Flowers not being back  
Mike from SI : 5/3/2018 7:04 pm : link
after next year.
I wish but  
greek13 : 5/3/2018 8:00 pm : link
I donít think player is on roster yet and may not be until next year
Love what weíve done this year overall
But canít fix it all at once
RE: Wheelers biggest knock going into last yearís draft was  
UberAlias : 5/3/2018 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13953390 superspynyg said:
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His character and his strength. He has been a model citizen and has had a year in an NFL strength program.
Im not sure the notion of NFL strength program means quite what it once did comparatively. These days many high schools have robust strength programs. Iíd imagine USC isnít lacking.
Right now there is no long-term solution at RT.  
Klaatu : 5/3/2018 8:04 pm : link
I hope Wheeler wins the job because he'll be around, on the cheap, for a little while. I think Flowers is history after this year.
Wheeler was not your normal Undrafted FA  
Dave on the UWS : 5/3/2018 8:28 pm : link
If he was a "cleaner" prospect he would have been, at worst, a mid Rd pick. It's a distinct possibility he could be the starter week 1. He's a good prospect.
2019 FA or high draft pick  
TD : 5/3/2018 8:41 pm : link
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I suspect Wheeler will be the starter  
Diver_Down : 5/3/2018 8:42 pm : link
for week 1 and Flowers serves as the swing tackle if he isn't traded in TC due to an injury demand on another team. Keep in mind that we have Ellison to lend help in the blocking department along with a coach that knows how to use him. Rhett's blocking prowess was touted when he signed as a FA. It isn't his fault that Ben didn't know how to use him.
I think Wheeler is going to win the RT job  
Jay on the Island : 5/3/2018 10:12 pm : link
and hang onto it for a while. So far he has worked hard, stayed out of trouble off the field, and just as important he has been healthy. The added 14+ pounds that he added this offseason proves that he is working hard to add the much needed muscle to his frame.

It would be pretty ironic if Wheeler becomes a good starting OT after Reese struggled mightily finding OL with high picks.
Flowers  
GeorgeAdams33 : 5/4/2018 2:16 am : link
I am still hoping. Ereck Flowers is the youngest Offensive Tackle on the Giants Roster. He is also probably the strongest and most talented. He needs to get his head on straight or go join his buddy, Bobby Hart, bagging groceries.
Wheeler  
Dragon : 5/4/2018 3:26 am : link
Guys we have a top ten draft pick OT that did not pan out but you believe an UDFA with very limited size and physical tools will become something special why please tell me?
Dragon  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 5/4/2018 5:09 am : link
The simple answer is Flowers sucks and Wheeler has potential. Beyond that, how do you consider 6'7" 315 lbs "very limited size?"
Hard to believe in Flowers  
nicky43 : 5/4/2018 6:41 am : link
when he skips camp. So much for his commitment to the team.
RE: Wheeler  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/4/2018 6:46 am : link
In comment 13953765 Dragon said:
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Guys we have a top ten draft pick OT that did not pan out but you believe an UDFA with very limited size and physical tools will become something special why please tell me?


Size especially after adding 15lbs of good weight to his frame (he is now 315) is not the issue.

He also flashed at the toughest position LT last year. He will be playing an easier position at RT amd already has shown excellent lateral ability. There is alot to like there.
RE: Wheeler  
Klaatu : 5/4/2018 7:44 am : link
In comment 13953765 Dragon said:
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Guys we have a top ten draft pick OT that did not pan out but you believe an UDFA with very limited size and physical tools will become something special why please tell me?


Wheeler is 6-7, and at the Combine he weighed in at 306. If the latest reports are to be believed, he's put on somewhere between 14 and 20 pounds, so, for argument's sake let's say he's at 320 now. 6-7, 320, with 33 1/8 arms is hardly limited size.

Physical tools? Admittedly, he did not test well at the Combine, no doubt hampered by the injuries he suffered at USC, but even one of his detractors, Lance Zierlein at NFL.com referred to him as a "Solid athlete."

Among the draft gurus, reviews were mixed. PFF more or less agreed with Zierlein, pegging Wheeler as late-round pick. UDFA Drew Boylhart. though, gave him a first-round grade and Dane Bruegler wrote that he was the 9th best OT in his draft class. CBS put a 4th round grade on him; Walter, rounds 5-7. His injury history and some sketchy off-the-field issues were major concerns, but no one questioned his size, athleticism, or potential. All agreed that he needed to get stronger.

He may never become "something special." Few do. But right now I'll take "serviceable," over "special" at RT, because that's really all we need at this point.
With the 5th year option off the table  
bc4life : 5/4/2018 7:47 am : link
Flowers will probably move on after this contract. So, the rest of his career with Giants is a commercial for his next potential team. Could he get a really good second contract, one year prove it, etc. what he does from this point on will determine that.

There is also Wheeler and Greco has played RT before - not ideal, but he's an option w/experience at the position.
RE: Wheeler  
Mike in NY : 5/4/2018 7:52 am : link
In comment 13953765 Dragon said:
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Guys we have a top ten draft pick OT that did not pan out but you believe an UDFA with very limited size and physical tools will become something special why please tell me?


Ereck Flowers has been a bust at LT, but there are some here who want people to do well just because it isnít Flowers. There is nobody on our roster who should just be awarded the RT position. Let them duke it out in camp and may the best man win.
Wheeler unless Flowers miraculously wakes up...  
the mike : 5/4/2018 8:01 am : link
Wheeler will be the starter, though he will be perhaps the biggest question mark for the 2018 team.

I agree with many of the posters who are hopeful that perhaps we will finally see a motivated and focused Ereck Flowers show up. Since we declined his option, he now has the opportunity to play for a big second contract. While he has been terrible at LT, perhaps he was always a RT in the NFL. I am sure Rosenhaus will ensure we see the best of Ereck Flowers in 2018 - just not sure this is any better than what we have in Wheeler... Time will tell.
Dont think the 2019  
Elisthebest : 5/4/2018 8:33 am : link
RT is currently on the team
Is Adam Bisnowaty  
Beezer : 5/4/2018 9:01 am : link
a lost cause?

Anyone have opinions about where he might be in his development, or what his potential may still be? He seemed to be talked about more than Wheeler when they both walked into the building for the first time. Now he's more of an afterthought, if that.
It's likely that Flowers' problem isn't physical  
jcn56 : 5/4/2018 9:10 am : link
that it's either his work ethic or he's just not coachable (mental).

Looking at Wheeler and saying he lacks the requisite physical tools doesn't tell the whole story. Just look at Brett Jones. I'd rather have a better C, but he's serviceable, and he's not exactly the ideal physical specimen.
TBD  
JonC : 5/4/2018 9:32 am : link
On paper it's Flowers, but his poor approach to the change in leadership is going to knock him off the roster if it doesn't shape up fast.

Beyond him, it's going to be patchwork until they figure out if they can trade for a RT or make one a priority next offseason.

A lot of holes to fill and talent to upgrade, they're doing a very good job with the resources and talent pool available, all things considered.
As for Wheeler and strength  
JonC : 5/4/2018 9:35 am : link
it's not uncommon for a man 25 or younger to not be strong enough to compete with older men. It's a fact that most men get physically stronger as they move through their entire 30s, you might hear it referred to by strength trainers as "grown man strength" (no, not a joke).
Flowers technique issues  
idiotsavant : 5/4/2018 9:36 am : link
May stem from, in part, that he doesn't seem to trust his own balance.

Which can be worked on.

We have no idea what sort of technique he was told to use, or not, or how much Mac ball sapped his mojo....the story may have another chapter.

Seems like some left Tackles move towards the DE with more confidence and standing higher as opposed to on heels waiting, crouched.
It is probably 50/50 whether Flowers even get a shot  
Jimmy Googs : 5/4/2018 9:36 am : link
to practice with the first team this summer.

And just short of a miracle to suggest he would be the Starting Right Tackle for this new regime...
One thing on Wheeler  
section125 : 5/4/2018 9:38 am : link
I liked was his feet. He seemed to move very well, but had strength and some technique deficiencies. He may turn out to be the RT. He may not be the preferred road grader like MacKenzie, but if he keeps Eli comfortable in the pocket he will be just fine.
Flowers is still on the roster  
JonC : 5/4/2018 10:02 am : link
and until he's gone he should rise above Wheeler.
Wheeler or Adam Bisnowaty  
GMen23 : 5/4/2018 2:36 pm : link
Was still holding out hope we salvage Flowers, on the right side. Maybe hiring Rosenhaus, will help him get his head on straight. But he keeps on pushing every DG button to show him the door.

I know Bisnowaty is a dart throw, especially the swinging gate we saw last year. However he did come to us with some credentials. I think he started 3 years at Pitt. Who knows maybe he makes the big year 1, to year 2, jump in production.
Wheeler or Adam Bisnowaty  
GMen23 : 5/4/2018 2:36 pm : link
Was still holding out hope we salvage Flowers, on the right side. Maybe hiring Rosenhaus, will help him get his head on straight. But he keeps on pushing every DG button to show him the door.

I know Bisnowaty is a dart throw, especially the swinging gate we saw last year. However he did come to us with some credentials. I think he started 3 years at Pitt. Who knows maybe he makes the big year 1, to year 2, jump in production.
RE: Flowers is still on the roster  
Milton : 5/4/2018 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13954094 JonC said:
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and until he's gone he should rise above Wheeler.
Until he's gone he will continue to fall further behind Wheeler.
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