I'll first state that I'm no expert on who is or who will be a better GM in the tenure of the position. I truly believe JR was OK and obviously did a good enough job to get us a couple titles and DG will have his time to do so as well. However, the way they speak and acknoledge what they know about football seem to be two different worlds.
JR: Reserved in his comments, tight lipped (even though no reason to be), acted tight and nervous to the media at times. Sounded like he doesn't know football and goes off what his staff tells him or he just says, "yeah, the guy can play" (major point here). Or he just doesn't do well in PR and has trouble in front of the media. He comes across as not knowing his draft picks or players very well.
http://www.giants.com/videos/videos/GM-Jerry-Reese-recaps-day-three-picks/1fdccd56-e0e1-4e7f-a4e8-b07bf44932f8
http://www.giants.com/videos/videos/GM-Jerry-Reese-on-Giants-2016-Draft-Class/17f74ede-5c98-4157-b95a-5a11ac6fdeb6
DG: Seems to be the Anti-Reese. Fluent in his ability to converse/word choice, willing to articulate, explains himself well and sits or stands very secure in his position. Very transparent, he's got the "little to hide" attitude and comes across as knowing football very well and is NOT afraid to call a baby ugly in some ways.
http://www.giants.com/videos/videos/GM-Gettleman-and-Coach-Shurmur-talk-Round-3/d6ee767e-bc14-4497-af07-f79d5345dd58
I guess my point at the end of watching a few of these videos is that DG comes across as truly knowing football and wants to be involved in ever aspect and not hide behind his henchmen. JR seemed to come across as a place holder to draft and letting his horses do the work to see what happens. He just seems to dodge blame where I could see DG accepting it and moving on. Hell, during one of JR's post draft presser interviews he stated "if you miss on your guy, you deal with the consequences" (obviously, don't F'ing miss or admit that right after your draft!). Nice attitude, next question.
I realize this is all in the past, but after watching some post draft vid's, I thought it might be relevant to compare the two and realize that we now have a much better GM in DG and I look forward to what he can accomplish for us going forward.
As for Gettleman, I like him....so far. And I think he starts out with much more power than Reese ever had. I don't think it will ever be fair to compare the two until Reese lands another GM job, one in which he gets to be the visionary instead of the name that gets attached to organizational decisions.
So you only want people that agree with you?
I think fans care way too much about press conferences whether it’s a GM, Coach, or anyone else.
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So you only want people that agree with you?
I think fans care way too much about press conferences whether it’s a GM, Coach, or anyone else.
Nah, no need to agree....I was just comparing what I'd seen in vid's and formed a topic to discuss. Form your own argument or thoughts and go on as a one sentence wonder.
I think fans care way too much about press conferences whether it’s a GM, Coach, or anyone else.
For once you and I are in total agreement
As for Gettleman, I like him....so far. And I think he starts out with much more power than Reese ever had. I don't think it will ever be fair to compare the two until Reese lands another GM job, one in which he gets to be the visionary instead of the name that gets attached to organizational decisions.
Visionary vs true GM perhaps.....However, did the Mara's/Tisch's look at hiring a GM and say, this guy doesn't have it, we need to intervene with the decision making process and help him along the way? Could have been since JR was a long time staffer with the team. Though, If the org didn't trust JR enough to give him the power to be a natural GM over the course of ten years, should he have been one to begin with? Maybe it was a little premature and loyalty had set in.
DG comes in and takes charge of the draft, same GM position, same GM power and displays that, from how he carries himself, he's on top of his shit. I'm going back to how both carried themselves after a draft and after watching both, DG sounds like he's got his shit together and JR was just reacting to questions.
I'd also like to add the fact that DG had Shurmer next to him to chime in and in doing so, selflessly promoted a team effort approach to the conferences. A united front is how it appears and when you display that, perhaps the players see it as well and may they take the same attitude to their team and jobs out there on the field.
When you listened to all of Reese's comments and press conferences, you had no idea whether he had a plan or design for the team.
Meanwhile, in DGs first press conference he is clear about what the direction of the team needs to be. Running the ball, stopping the run, rushing the passer. Then, most of this moves since then supported that. At least you know what this guy's agenda is.
Reese? it was like he was shaking the magic 8 ball.
But, he doesn't give answers that make most others seem like morons...point taken....the guys proven though, he can say what he wants at that point. Reese??? Not sure because it may have been TC/Mara/Tisch's team over the span of championships....who the heck knows, well I'd bet TC knows, but us mortal posters will never know for sure. IF Reese gets another GM job, we will know for sure!!!!
Those two certainly love to hear themselves talk, that's for sure.
I think Gettleman is the same way. And that is SO much different that Reese/McAdoo
ALSO -- NO LEAKS THIS YEAR. No one had a clue what the Giants were going to do.
And after the fact, telling the media that "Barkley was a 9.0" -- and that "the ONLY OTHER 9.0 he'd seen in 30+ years was Payton Manning" . . .
Can anyone picture Jerry Reese relaying that info? I cannot. Adrien Robinson was NOT the JPP of TEs. We'll see if Barkley is the Payton Manning of RBs.
When you listened to all of Reese's comments and press conferences, you had no idea whether he had a plan or design for the team.
Meanwhile, in DGs first press conference he is clear about what the direction of the team needs to be. Running the ball, stopping the run, rushing the passer. Then, most of this moves since then supported that. At least you know what this guy's agenda is.
Reese? it was like he was shaking the magic 8 ball.
I was just going to post something similar.
The perception of Reese, whether fair or not, was that he was essentially picking guys off his board without any plan or philosophy regarding the identity of the team. When you look back at Reese’s Giants from the last 9 years or so, what was the identity of the team? What kind of roster was he trying to build? Outside of a shitty one I really have no idea.
DG has been very specific about what type of roster/identity he believes wins championships. Every move and pick he’s made has been in line with that philosophy.
And let’s not forget the rumor that he really wanted DHB over Nicks before the raiders took him (Thanks God) before he could.
You want to give JR pain for making the decision that Eli was done yet has the new GM done anything but stake the teams future for the next few years against the belief that prior management wholeheartedly believed in Eli is done. Don’t get fooled by nice wordings or professional interviews with nothing to show for it yet. Let’s see how those interviews go when the games really start counting smoke and mirrors can’t hide the truth. We will know a lot more after week eight because we will either still be on the Titanic or the Queen Elizabeth cruise ships which one do you think?
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he’d be eaten alive if he wasn’t a winner. But he’s praised for how he handles the media despite giving answers that would make most others seem like morons.
But, he doesn't give answers that make most others seem like morons...point taken....the guys proven though, he can say what he wants at that point. Reese??? Not sure because it may have been TC/Mara/Tisch's team over the span of championships....who the heck knows, well I'd bet TC knows, but us mortal posters will never know for sure. IF Reese gets another GM job, we will know for sure!!!!
And therein lies the lens through which you seem to see this. You're applying that bias to the way you view the respective press conferences of DG and JR.
He's never going to do anything on the field of play, but he was the Director of Pro personnel for 3 of our SB's and was the GM in Carolina for a SB.
IMO, DG comes across as more of and Asshole than Reese, but who cares if he wins two SBs in his first five years like Reese did!
In terms of being critical about Reese for sticking to convictions - did people pay any attention to what happened last week?
Some of you guys just have an anti Reese agenda and you make up narratives to fit that.
In terms of DG so far, I think he has done a good job. I would have taken Darnold - we'll see in a few years how this works out.
DG may end up sucking as a GM, but he won't be clueless in doing so, or at least come across as clueless.
That being said, I don't think it's fair to paint Reese as someone who was clueless or didn't have a philosophy. The team definitely had a drafting philosophy and style under Reese. He obviously valued DL over LBs, would look to fill roles like TE and LB at the end of drafts, and believed in taking OL as developmental picks.
I mean, whether you agree with Reese on that or who he picked, the philosophy was there.
I'm still in wait and see mode. But DG seems like a dude I'd want to sit down and have a beer with, and Reese doesn't.
Ranaan's a joke!
We have the worst beat reporters in the league!
If any of these clown reporters knew how to ask an intelligent question maybe we'd get some good answers from the team!
Regarding Reese's treatment of said media:
He's so arrogant!
He's so combative with them!
Gettleman is soooooo much better with dealing with them than that uptight buffoon who has no idea what he's talking about Reese!