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Reese vs. Gettleman draft pressers

Kev in Cali : 5/3/2018 7:19 pm
I'll first state that I'm no expert on who is or who will be a better GM in the tenure of the position. I truly believe JR was OK and obviously did a good enough job to get us a couple titles and DG will have his time to do so as well. However, the way they speak and acknoledge what they know about football seem to be two different worlds.

JR: Reserved in his comments, tight lipped (even though no reason to be), acted tight and nervous to the media at times. Sounded like he doesn't know football and goes off what his staff tells him or he just says, "yeah, the guy can play" (major point here). Or he just doesn't do well in PR and has trouble in front of the media. He comes across as not knowing his draft picks or players very well.
http://www.giants.com/videos/videos/GM-Jerry-Reese-recaps-day-three-picks/1fdccd56-e0e1-4e7f-a4e8-b07bf44932f8

http://www.giants.com/videos/videos/GM-Jerry-Reese-on-Giants-2016-Draft-Class/17f74ede-5c98-4157-b95a-5a11ac6fdeb6

DG: Seems to be the Anti-Reese. Fluent in his ability to converse/word choice, willing to articulate, explains himself well and sits or stands very secure in his position. Very transparent, he's got the "little to hide" attitude and comes across as knowing football very well and is NOT afraid to call a baby ugly in some ways.

http://www.giants.com/videos/videos/GM-Gettleman-and-Coach-Shurmur-talk-Round-3/d6ee767e-bc14-4497-af07-f79d5345dd58

I guess my point at the end of watching a few of these videos is that DG comes across as truly knowing football and wants to be involved in ever aspect and not hide behind his henchmen. JR seemed to come across as a place holder to draft and letting his horses do the work to see what happens. He just seems to dodge blame where I could see DG accepting it and moving on. Hell, during one of JR's post draft presser interviews he stated "if you miss on your guy, you deal with the consequences" (obviously, don't F'ing miss or admit that right after your draft!). Nice attitude, next question.

I realize this is all in the past, but after watching some post draft vid's, I thought it might be relevant to compare the two and realize that we now have a much better GM in DG and I look forward to what he can accomplish for us going forward.

Never cared about the press conferences and still dont  
UConn4523 : 5/3/2018 7:21 pm : link
They arenít really a barometer for anything.
Nice opinion...  
Kev in Cali : 5/3/2018 7:27 pm : link
why reply? : )
I think Reese takes much too much grief on BBI  
Milton : 5/3/2018 7:51 pm : link
He was a rookie GM who inherited a head coach with seven years of previous GM experience and who had a long history with the Mara family. When he said "it was an organizational decision" you better believe it was true. None of us truly know how things would've been for him if it was a voice other than Coughlin's sharing in the personnel decisions.

As for Gettleman, I like him....so far. And I think he starts out with much more power than Reese ever had. I don't think it will ever be fair to compare the two until Reese lands another GM job, one in which he gets to be the visionary instead of the name that gets attached to organizational decisions.
RE: Nice opinion...  
UConn4523 : 5/3/2018 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13953440 Kev in Cali said:
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why reply? : )


So you only want people that agree with you?

I think fans care way too much about press conferences whether itís a GM, Coach, or anyone else.
Point being, Bill Belichick  
UConn4523 : 5/3/2018 8:04 pm : link
heíd be eaten alive if he wasnít a winner. But heís praised for how he handles the media despite giving answers that would make most others seem like morons.
RE: RE: Nice opinion...  
Kev in Cali : 5/3/2018 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13953486 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13953440 Kev in Cali said:


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why reply? : )



So you only want people that agree with you?

I think fans care way too much about press conferences whether itís a GM, Coach, or anyone else.


Nah, no need to agree....I was just comparing what I'd seen in vid's and formed a topic to discuss. Form your own argument or thoughts and go on as a one sentence wonder.
Thatís exactly what I did  
UConn4523 : 5/3/2018 8:18 pm : link
my thought is that it doesnít matter what he says. I happen to like Gettleman, but I would t care if he was a Reese clone when it came to interviews. Concluding heís a better GM off of press conferences is mind boggling.
RE: RE: Nice opinion...  
Greg from LI : 5/3/2018 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13953486 UConn4523 said:
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I think fans care way too much about press conferences whether itís a GM, Coach, or anyone else.


For once you and I are in total agreement
RE: I think Reese takes much too much grief on BBI  
Kev in Cali : 5/3/2018 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13953468 Milton said:
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As for Gettleman, I like him....so far. And I think he starts out with much more power than Reese ever had. I don't think it will ever be fair to compare the two until Reese lands another GM job, one in which he gets to be the visionary instead of the name that gets attached to organizational decisions.


Visionary vs true GM perhaps.....However, did the Mara's/Tisch's look at hiring a GM and say, this guy doesn't have it, we need to intervene with the decision making process and help him along the way? Could have been since JR was a long time staffer with the team. Though, If the org didn't trust JR enough to give him the power to be a natural GM over the course of ten years, should he have been one to begin with? Maybe it was a little premature and loyalty had set in.

DG comes in and takes charge of the draft, same GM position, same GM power and displays that, from how he carries himself, he's on top of his shit. I'm going back to how both carried themselves after a draft and after watching both, DG sounds like he's got his shit together and JR was just reacting to questions.

I'd also like to add the fact that DG had Shurmer next to him to chime in and in doing so, selflessly promoted a team effort approach to the conferences. A united front is how it appears and when you display that, perhaps the players see it as well and may they take the same attitude to their team and jobs out there on the field.
Here is my take on why I like DG vs Reese  
EricJ : 5/3/2018 8:40 pm : link
and yeah it has something to do with the press conferences too.

When you listened to all of Reese's comments and press conferences, you had no idea whether he had a plan or design for the team.

Meanwhile, in DGs first press conference he is clear about what the direction of the team needs to be. Running the ball, stopping the run, rushing the passer. Then, most of this moves since then supported that. At least you know what this guy's agenda is.

Reese? it was like he was shaking the magic 8 ball.
RE: Point being, Bill Belichick  
Kev in Cali : 5/3/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13953489 UConn4523 said:
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heíd be eaten alive if he wasnít a winner. But heís praised for how he handles the media despite giving answers that would make most others seem like morons.


But, he doesn't give answers that make most others seem like morons...point taken....the guys proven though, he can say what he wants at that point. Reese??? Not sure because it may have been TC/Mara/Tisch's team over the span of championships....who the heck knows, well I'd bet TC knows, but us mortal posters will never know for sure. IF Reese gets another GM job, we will know for sure!!!!
Gettleman is much more comfortable  
PEEJ : 5/3/2018 8:47 pm : link
with the media. He probably learned from watching Accorsi (whose background was in PR).
RE: Gettleman is much more comfortable  
Greg from LI : 5/3/2018 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13953547 PEEJ said:
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with the media. He probably learned from watching Accorsi (whose background was in PR).


Those two certainly love to hear themselves talk, that's for sure.
In an post draft interview, Pat Shurmur was asked what was different  
JohnB : 5/3/2018 8:59 pm : link
this time around as HC? He said that he was more relaxed and more open with the media instead of closed and tight lipped. I think Gettleman is the same way, open and honest (as much as he can). And I think this is what John Mara wanted when he said he wanted someone with HCing experience. I took it as he wanted someone who was comfortable as HC, was comfortable making the tough calls, not being cute or coy, just be the best HC you can be.

I think Gettleman is the same way. And that is SO much different that Reese/McAdoo
Gettleman is  
David B. : 5/3/2018 9:10 pm : link
CLEARLY better with the media. He actually kibitzes with them. Also, while he doesn't give away the farm, what he tells you about his philosophy IS TRUE.

ALSO -- NO LEAKS THIS YEAR. No one had a clue what the Giants were going to do.

And after the fact, telling the media that "Barkley was a 9.0" -- and that "the ONLY OTHER 9.0 he'd seen in 30+ years was Payton Manning" . . .

Can anyone picture Jerry Reese relaying that info? I cannot. Adrien Robinson was NOT the JPP of TEs. We'll see if Barkley is the Payton Manning of RBs.

Reese  
jtfuoco : 5/3/2018 10:22 pm : link
Was so confrontational with the media it clearly impacted his ability to really get out his messaging and made him look dumb in so many separate occasions it forced John to come down from the owners box and calm down the fan base. I keep hearing how people want all this secracey and stone walls in press conferences and I have ask why? we are talking about football with the sole purpose is to entertain us so give me Gettleman any day of fhe week over Reese.
RE: Here is my take on why I like DG vs Reese  
WillVAB : 5/3/2018 10:28 pm : link
In comment 13953529 EricJ said:
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and yeah it has something to do with the press conferences too.

When you listened to all of Reese's comments and press conferences, you had no idea whether he had a plan or design for the team.

Meanwhile, in DGs first press conference he is clear about what the direction of the team needs to be. Running the ball, stopping the run, rushing the passer. Then, most of this moves since then supported that. At least you know what this guy's agenda is.

Reese? it was like he was shaking the magic 8 ball.


I was just going to post something similar.

The perception of Reese, whether fair or not, was that he was essentially picking guys off his board without any plan or philosophy regarding the identity of the team. When you look back at Reeseís Giants from the last 9 years or so, what was the identity of the team? What kind of roster was he trying to build? Outside of a shitty one I really have no idea.

DG has been very specific about what type of roster/identity he believes wins championships. Every move and pick heís made has been in line with that philosophy.
I donít care how Reese carries himself  
bradshaw44 : 5/3/2018 10:44 pm : link
As a public speaker. My issue with him was putting too much emphasis on his convictions. He would zero in on a guy and think to himself (at least this is my takeaway), I know this guy could be had in the third round but I really believe in him so Iím taking him now. And he thought that they would really pan out and he would like a genius. Problem is it rarely worked out that way. Case and point, Erick Flowers and that DT from Syracuse a few years ago, whoís name escapes me at the moment, who he took in the third round that was projected by most to go in the fourth or fifth round by majority of scouts. It was a flaw in his thinking/character that hurt this team immensely. Then he would hit on guys like OBJ and JPP (who at the time was a boom or bust risk) and it further elevated his belief system. That was Reeseís problem, not how he carried himself in press conferences.
*look like a genius  
bradshaw44 : 5/3/2018 10:46 pm : link
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And letís not forget the rumor that he really wanted DHB over Nicks before the raiders took him (Thanks God) before he could.
DG  
Dragon : 5/4/2018 1:22 am : link
How do you compare someone who won two SB as GM with a guy who just made the draft that will define his career as GM. At this point DG has a clean slate why because he truly has done nothing yet on the field of play for the Giants. Iím amazed how easily so many have seen the opening of the pearly gates on basically three moves made by a new GM Eli, Solder and Barkley. The other moves to this point are all we hope these guys can perform above their present production and experience levels.

You want to give JR pain for making the decision that Eli was done yet has the new GM done anything but stake the teams future for the next few years against the belief that prior management wholeheartedly believed in Eli is done. Donít get fooled by nice wordings or professional interviews with nothing to show for it yet. Letís see how those interviews go when the games really start counting smoke and mirrors canít hide the truth. We will know a lot more after week eight because we will either still be on the Titanic or the Queen Elizabeth cruise ships which one do you think?
RE: RE: Point being, Bill Belichick  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/4/2018 2:39 am : link
In comment 13953536 Kev in Cali said:
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heíd be eaten alive if he wasnít a winner. But heís praised for how he handles the media despite giving answers that would make most others seem like morons.



But, he doesn't give answers that make most others seem like morons...point taken....the guys proven though, he can say what he wants at that point. Reese??? Not sure because it may have been TC/Mara/Tisch's team over the span of championships....who the heck knows, well I'd bet TC knows, but us mortal posters will never know for sure. IF Reese gets another GM job, we will know for sure!!!!

And therein lies the lens through which you seem to see this. You're applying that bias to the way you view the respective press conferences of DG and JR.
I really..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/4/2018 7:35 am : link
don't understand how people think DG is just getting his feet wet with this stuff:

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At this point DG has a clean slate why because he truly has done nothing yet on the field of play for the Giants.


He's never going to do anything on the field of play, but he was the Director of Pro personnel for 3 of our SB's and was the GM in Carolina for a SB.
Interesting post...  
trueblueinpw : 5/4/2018 8:08 am : link
I always wanted to like JR, he won two Supes, and thatís better than almost any other GM in the sport ever. But, for what its worth (not much), JR always seemed like a jerk to me when I saw his pressers. Like someone else wrote, thereís no good reason to be hostile to the media. But worse than the hostility was that he always seemed to be weaseling away from any responsibility. Just seemed like a jerk. So, my opinion, which has won zero Supes, on JR, who might have been a slippery guy, but he won two Supes.
Ha Ha  
RollBlue : 5/4/2018 8:23 am : link
no leaks this year??? Pretty much everybody and their brother knew they loved Barkley and wanted him, despite the situation at QB. Most had Hernandez going to the Giants in the second round also.
IMO, DG comes across as more of and Asshole than Reese, but who cares if he wins two SBs in his first five years like Reese did!
In terms of being critical about Reese for sticking to convictions - did people pay any attention to what happened last week?
Some of you guys just have an anti Reese agenda and you make up narratives to fit that.
In terms of DG so far, I think he has done a good job. I would have taken Darnold - we'll see in a few years how this works out.
Regarding the pressers, DG has a pretty good sense of humor,  
Ira : 5/4/2018 11:52 am : link
while Reese was always uncomfortable with the media. But the bottom line is job performance and I think Gettleman is off to a pretty good start.
I guess....  
Kev in Cali : 5/4/2018 12:21 pm : link
I shouldn't have stated that DG will be a better GM....that's bias and I have no idea if that will happen. Just looking at the verbals and nonverbals between the two. Reese just never gave you that confident feeling that he knew what the F he was talking about. During his interviews he often looked at the paper in front of him to read from, could not convey his thoughts on the fly, hell, a few times he appeared to have forgotten who he drafted, or what school they came from, and often never said exactly why he liked him other than "we really liked him", or "kid can play". He just sounded clueless up there.

DG may end up sucking as a GM, but he won't be clueless in doing so, or at least come across as clueless.
who the hell even watches those press conferences?  
Greg from LI : 5/4/2018 12:29 pm : link
And why?
The way they handle the media is definitely different...  
Jan in DC : 5/4/2018 12:31 pm : link
And I think that it was a point of emphasis for the ownership that they wanted someone who wasn't going to treat the media as an adversary. You can tell, DG really tries to get to know the reporters, he's trying to remember them all and call them by their first names. The McAdoo/Reese bit at the end of the season was a clear debacle and I think the ownership made DG aware of that.

That being said, I don't think it's fair to paint Reese as someone who was clueless or didn't have a philosophy. The team definitely had a drafting philosophy and style under Reese. He obviously valued DL over LBs, would look to fill roles like TE and LB at the end of drafts, and believed in taking OL as developmental picks.

I mean, whether you agree with Reese on that or who he picked, the philosophy was there.

I'm still in wait and see mode. But DG seems like a dude I'd want to sit down and have a beer with, and Reese doesn't.
Too funny...  
T-Bone : 5/4/2018 12:51 pm : link
A large segment of BBIer's attitude towards the media:

Ranaan's a joke!
We have the worst beat reporters in the league!
If any of these clown reporters knew how to ask an intelligent question maybe we'd get some good answers from the team!

Regarding Reese's treatment of said media:

He's so arrogant!
He's so combative with them!
Gettleman is soooooo much better with dealing with them than that uptight buffoon who has no idea what he's talking about Reese!
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