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Final piece of puzzle to contend: bring back DRC

Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/3/2018 8:33 pm
Draft by many accounts was a smashing success. Two instant starters in Barkman and Angry Angus and a possible third in Carter. Two DTs that should provide credible depth and a high upside QB to compete with Webb once Eli is done.

I think the OL will be strong enough as there should be no exccesingly weak link on it except for possibly RT. However I think Wheeler is going to Surprise. Hes added 20lbs since last year and actually flashed at the tougher LT spot.

The biggest remaining hole to me is one more bonafide CB . And DRC is the best out there. We don't know what Apple is going to give us but mini camps early returns were positive. One more legit CB and I think this team is ready for battle and serious contention for playoffs and possibly a deep run in the playoffs. Id love a FS too but in this system I am not too worried if we can grab another CB.
Umm, no  
hitchchops2 : 5/3/2018 8:41 pm : link
They were so desperate to get rid of him it almost happened last year. Let it go, its not happening.
DRC is not coming back  
Dave on the UWS : 5/3/2018 8:44 pm : link
I don't think he helps the culture they want to establish. He is no longer a fit.
The culture has greatly shifted  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/3/2018 8:46 pm : link
And he'd be coming back on a lower deal.
No thanks. That ship has sailed.  
Klaatu : 5/3/2018 8:51 pm : link
Time to move on, see what we've got, and keep an eye on the waiver wire.
Bring back  
David B. : 5/3/2018 9:00 pm : link
Emlen Tunnell. He was better than DRC.
Why? So he can get hurt  
GiantsRage2007 : 5/3/2018 9:03 pm : link
And miss half the snaps of every game?

I kid... but he was hurt an awful lot.

I still think the playoff game in GB goes differently if he isnít hurt early.
Yeah no thanks, heís washed up and a cancer  
BigBlue4You09 : 5/3/2018 9:11 pm : link
Thereís a reason heís still unsigned...
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arcarsenal : 5/3/2018 9:16 pm : link
Not a reliable player, locker room issues... this is the type of guy we needed to move on from and stay moved on from.

Gettleman won't bring him back here.
I'd rather get someone younger  
nyjuggernaut2 : 5/3/2018 9:25 pm : link
like Breeland.
Contend for 3rd place?  
giantstock : 5/3/2018 9:31 pm : link
Because you can forget about contending for a title this year.

1-- The Qb is not very good (the most impt position on the field)

2-- The OLine is not that good.

3-- Any team with a DB of Apple starting is not very good.

4-- We have 1 good Safety.

**If the team went 8-8 they would have had a surprisngly good year.
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arcarsenal : 5/3/2018 9:32 pm : link
Point 3 in that horseshit post is funny because Eli Apple started the majority of the games we played in 2016 and we won 11 times.
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arcarsenal : 5/3/2018 9:35 pm : link
We also will likely have 4 new starters on the OL. How do we know it is or isn't good?
Best thing..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/3/2018 9:40 pm : link
about that 4 point list is that going into the 2017 season, you could pretty much say that about the majority of the playoff teams.

So many absolute matter-of-fact statements being made this offseason. And likely so wrong.
RE: Contend for 3rd place?  
BleedBlue : 5/3/2018 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13953606 giantstock said:
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Because you can forget about contending for a title this year.

1-- The Qb is not very good (the most impt position on the field)

2-- The OLine is not that good.

3-- Any team with a DB of Apple starting is not very good.

4-- We have 1 good Safety.

**If the team went 8-8 they would have had a surprisngly good year.


1. youre nowhere near qualified to judge what eli has left, it be nice to see him with a competant team and coach as we will this year.

2. how the fuck could you possibly know about the OL?!?!?1 we have FOUR new starters, you have ZERO clue how they will be.

3. i agree apple starting is a problem, but lets not act like that ONE guy makes the entire team bad.

4. adams was very servicable and thompson lost a year, so willing to give him another chance. not every team has two good safeties


pretty horrible analysis of the 2018 giants
RE: Best thing..  
chopperhatch : 5/3/2018 10:16 pm : link
In comment 13953619 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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about that 4 point list is that going into the 2017 season, you could pretty much say that about the majority of the playoff teams.

So many absolute matter-of-fact statements being made this offseason. And likely so wrong.


Its amazing how deflating a post like the one referenced can be to someone who comes here just to read about thought provoking Giants football to pass time. The tyoes of people we get on here dont care about that or this place.
"final piece"  
widmerseyebrow : 5/3/2018 10:26 pm : link
Hahaha
The Giants asked DRC to take a pay cut ...  
Manny in CA : 5/4/2018 12:41 am : link

So, I guess that means they still want him around.

The WHOLE team imploded last year, not just him. I don't think he's coming back, at this point. He'll wait until people start getting hurt, then he'll cut the best deal he can for himself.
So did Giants outright cut him or ask him to paycut?  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/4/2018 3:12 am : link
If its latter thats a different story
they got him to agree to a paycut  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/4/2018 5:56 am : link
and then cut him anyway. They cut him "waived injured" so it is hard to know what to think...
I think we contend for the nfc east and/or wildcard  
eli4life : 5/4/2018 6:29 am : link
This year if we can keep the injuries to a minimum. If not weíre screwed past few years of horrible drafts left us with zero depth
"I think the offensive line will be better0  
joeinpa : 5/4/2018 6:35 am : link
Should be, but who knows. I think this team could be playing meaningful games past Nov. but seeing it as a championship contender is a livery optimistic view.
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Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/4/2018 6:38 am : link
In comment 13953777 joeinpa said:
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Should be, but who knows. I think this team could be playing meaningful games past Nov. but seeing it as a championship contender is a livery optimistic view.


Were rhe Rams and Vikes championship contenders. How were they the prior year to last one? Are not our improvements (OL, coaching, etc.) not on par with theirs?
Do we have any cap space left whatsoever  
bhill410 : 5/4/2018 7:07 am : link
It sounded like we really didnít unless it was only around a million
Will Hill  
Iamhagg1 : 5/4/2018 7:08 am : link
Bring him back!
if there is a "final piece"  
bc4life : 5/4/2018 7:12 am : link
it's right tackle. Keep an eye on 2 UDFA CBs.
RE: RE: Contend for 3rd place?  
Beer Man : 5/4/2018 7:25 am : link
In comment 13953661 BleedBlue said:
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Because you can forget about contending for a title this year.

1-- The Qb is not very good (the most impt position on the field)

2-- The OLine is not that good.

3-- Any team with a DB of Apple starting is not very good.

4-- We have 1 good Safety.

**If the team went 8-8 they would have had a surprisngly good year.



1. youre nowhere near qualified to judge what eli has left, it be nice to see him with a competant team and coach as we will this year.

2. how the fuck could you possibly know about the OL?!?!?1 we have FOUR new starters, you have ZERO clue how they will be.

3. i agree apple starting is a problem, but lets not act like that ONE guy makes the entire team bad.

4. adams was very servicable and thompson lost a year, so willing to give him another chance. not every team has two good safeties


pretty horrible analysis of the 2018 giants
+1
Vegas has the Giants O/U at 6.5  
Justlurking : 5/4/2018 9:17 am : link
Its funny that people here think we are a SB contender.
RE: Vegas has the Giants O/U at 6.5  
Klaatu : 5/4/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 13953981 Justlurking said:
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Its funny that people here think we are a SB contender.


No one's putting the Giants in contention for the Super Bowl. Most figure it will take another year, another strong draft to completely right the ship.

Still, 6.5 seems a bit low to me.
RE: RE: Contend for 3rd place?  
giantstock : 5/4/2018 9:28 am : link
In comment 13953661 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 13953606 giantstock said:


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Because you can forget about contending for a title this year.

1-- The Qb is not very good (the most impt position on the field)

2-- The OLine is not that good.

3-- Any team with a DB of Apple starting is not very good.

4-- We have 1 good Safety.

**If the team went 8-8 they would have had a surprisngly good year.



1. youre nowhere near qualified to judge what eli has left, it be nice to see him with a competant team and coach as we will this year.

2. how the fuck could you possibly know about the OL?!?!?1 we have FOUR new starters, you have ZERO clue how they will be.

3. i agree apple starting is a problem, but lets not act like that ONE guy makes the entire team bad.

4. adams was very servicable and thompson lost a year, so willing to give him another chance. not every team has two good safeties


pretty horrible analysis of the 2018 giants


Let me translate the responses from Homers such as yourslef.

"I don't want to hear anyone elses negative opinion so I should swear/act tough on my posts and ask silly question such as 'How do you KNOW that' so I cna feel better trying to justify my homer opinion."

Hey Homer--- NOBODY KNOWS 100%. These are all opinions.

Posters like you were saying the same crap a few years ago when the Giants weren't getting offensive linemen.

You're living in the same dreamworld now. And btw, it was Jerry Reese's OPINION that the OL would be fine. ANd it was the OPINION of many of us that his OPINION was flawed.

Thus your bullshit question of "how do I know" appears to be just a weak attempt to not want to hear alternative opinions other than your own.

It's not like ELi doesn't deserve a little bashing. ANd I think you and several others on here have way too high expectation of the OL.

It's not like my opinion is out there. Just look at team projections. Other than the Homer Giants fans such as posters similar to you/maybe like yourself-- why do you think the Giants overall aren't in the consensus top 10? WHat's the latest odds for Giants-- is it 50-1? If the odds are that bad what other questions do you see besides CB and S?

RE: Vegas has the Giants O/U at 6.5  
giantstock : 5/4/2018 9:31 am : link
In comment 13953981 Justlurking said:
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Its funny that people here think we are a SB contender.


I know.

Look at how upset Bleedblue ripped me for just having a different opinion. These type of homers sort of make me sick. I want our G-Men to do great. I'm excited to see - but these hero-worship type of fans with that can't bear to hear any crticism of their tema make me sick.

And the poster Beer Man who liked his post- just another incoherent . . .
Klatuu in another year we will have a 38/39  
bhill410 : 5/4/2018 9:32 am : link
Year old qb who isnít going to win anything. Sadly this year is likely the last year of Eliís tenure that we should realistically expect anything mirroring above average performance. Which I think is why people are looking at this year as more of a win now type deal even though itís probably not realistic.
the removal of DRC was part of the culture change  
JonC : 5/4/2018 9:37 am : link
let's move on.
RE: RE: Vegas has the Giants O/U at 6.5  
Justlurking : 5/4/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 13953993 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13953981 Justlurking said:


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Its funny that people here think we are a SB contender.



No one's putting the Giants in contention for the Super Bowl. Most figure it will take another year, another strong draft to completely right the ship.

Still, 6.5 seems a bit low to me.


OP called DRC "the final piece of the puzzle"
RE: RE: Vegas has the Giants O/U at 6.5  
giantstock : 5/4/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 13953993 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13953981 Justlurking said:


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Its funny that people here think we are a SB contender.



No one's putting the Giants in contention for the Super Bowl. Most figure it will take another year, another strong draft to completely right the ship.

Still, 6.5 seems a bit low to me.


This just isn't true. It's not oen bit true. You CAN see and read on other threads that there are fans that think the G-Men are SB contenders.

Please read the post bleedblue said to me. I criticized Eli and the OL not being "there" yet. Look at his response to me and the poster beer man thought what he said was right.

Then ask-- if Eli is good and the OLine is good- aren't they a Super Bowl Contender? Because wouldn't their offensive be tremendous? And the defense is probably strong in the front 7. ANd Collins and Jenkins are good. SO wouldn't we be a contender?

Then look at how mad bleedblue was at me. With that type of post he sent he's got to think there's a probability I'm dead wrong. Don't kid yourself. There are many quack fans that think we are SB contenders. Well at 50-1 possibly a bit better odds ot get to teh SB - I suppose we are. Heck if we look at it like that- every team is a "contender."
There's plenty of fans  
JonC : 5/4/2018 9:47 am : link
who can't conceive of not winning in 2018, even though it's not likely to occur.
RE: RE: RE: Vegas has the Giants O/U at 6.5  
Klaatu : 5/4/2018 9:50 am : link
In comment 13954043 Justlurking said:
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Its funny that people here think we are a SB contender.



No one's putting the Giants in contention for the Super Bowl. Most figure it will take another year, another strong draft to completely right the ship.

Still, 6.5 seems a bit low to me.



OP called DRC "the final piece of the puzzle"


Meh...the exuberance of youth...not to be taken seriously.
I don't think it was culture or attitude related  
jcn56 : 5/4/2018 9:52 am : link
The Giants asked him to take a 'significant paycut' per Garafolo, and he declined.

There were rumors they were thinking of cutting him before last season simply because he needed to be managed in terms of snap counts due to injury. If you consider how often his injuries flared up, and that he's another year older, it's likely they just didn't want the inconsistency/unknown associated with his health.
jcn56  
JonC : 5/4/2018 9:53 am : link
Good to see you posting again ... it was culture/attitude related, fwiw.
RE: RE: RE: Vegas has the Giants O/U at 6.5  
Klaatu : 5/4/2018 9:54 am : link
In comment 13954056 giantstock said:
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Its funny that people here think we are a SB contender.



No one's putting the Giants in contention for the Super Bowl. Most figure it will take another year, another strong draft to completely right the ship.

Still, 6.5 seems a bit low to me.



This just isn't true. It's not oen bit true. You CAN see and read on other threads that there are fans that think the G-Men are SB contenders.

Please read the post bleedblue said to me. I criticized Eli and the OL not being "there" yet. Look at his response to me and the poster beer man thought what he said was right.

Then ask-- if Eli is good and the OLine is good- aren't they a Super Bowl Contender? Because wouldn't their offensive be tremendous? And the defense is probably strong in the front 7. ANd Collins and Jenkins are good. SO wouldn't we be a contender?

Then look at how mad bleedblue was at me. With that type of post he sent he's got to think there's a probability I'm dead wrong. Don't kid yourself. There are many quack fans that think we are SB contenders. Well at 50-1 possibly a bit better odds ot get to teh SB - I suppose we are. Heck if we look at it like that- every team is a "contender."


Sorry, but you bring those kind of responses on yourself, and you invite the kind of hyperbole that matches, or even exceeds, your own.
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arcarsenal : 5/4/2018 10:05 am : link
I love when posters take like two opinions out of hundreds+ and try to paint all of BBI as having that opinion.

The amount of people here who think the Giants are a SB contender right now are an extreme minority. That is not a popular opinion here whatsoever.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Vegas has the Giants O/U at 6.5  
giantstock : 5/4/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 13954075 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13953993 Klaatu said:


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In comment 13953981 Justlurking said:


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Its funny that people here think we are a SB contender.



No one's putting the Giants in contention for the Super Bowl. Most figure it will take another year, another strong draft to completely right the ship.

Still, 6.5 seems a bit low to me.



This just isn't true. It's not oen bit true. You CAN see and read on other threads that there are fans that think the G-Men are SB contenders.

Please read the post bleedblue said to me. I criticized Eli and the OL not being "there" yet. Look at his response to me and the poster beer man thought what he said was right.

Then ask-- if Eli is good and the OLine is good- aren't they a Super Bowl Contender? Because wouldn't their offensive be tremendous? And the defense is probably strong in the front 7. ANd Collins and Jenkins are good. SO wouldn't we be a contender?

Then look at how mad bleedblue was at me. With that type of post he sent he's got to think there's a probability I'm dead wrong. Don't kid yourself. There are many quack fans that think we are SB contenders. Well at 50-1 possibly a bit better odds ot get to teh SB - I suppose we are. Heck if we look at it like that- every team is a "contender."



Sorry, but you bring those kind of responses on yourself, and you invite the kind of hyperbole that matches, or even exceeds, your own.


Sorry but you're juts in denial. Even another poster tried to reason with you that another poster called a DB "the final piece of the puzzle" and you just kid yourself that there aren't quack Giants fans that think we're a contedner.

Keep living in fantasy land my friend. Sure I could be wrong but my initial post of Eli not being good, the OLine not being good is not very far-fetched. Keep living in fantasy land if you think there is no chance of this happening.

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giantstock : 5/4/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 13954105 arcarsenal said:
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I love when posters take like two opinions out of hundreds+ and try to paint all of BBI as having that opinion.

The amount of people here who think the Giants are a SB contender right now are an extreme minority. That is not a popular opinion here whatsoever.


There are just 3 poster on this very thread it sems like they think the giants ARE A CONTENDER. On this VERY THREAD. Yet you have the poster "klaatu" saying "NO ONE IS SAYING THEY ARE A CONTENDER."

I think you need to wake up from your comatose and read other threads too. OFC those that think so are in the minority. Yet you as "TE ANNOINTED One" OF THE THREAD want to dictate / put down those that like to point out the ones who think we are a contender are a bit nuts? I'm not supposed ot reply to the posters taht are nuts? Or to Klaatu who was worng saying "no one was saying it" when you have 2-3 posters on this thread saying it?

ANd I hope you don't just single out this thrread. There are others in which some posters fel the same thing that we are. Just keep ignoring all of them?
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arcarsenal : 5/4/2018 10:45 am : link
You seem like you could use a xanax or something. Your posts read like a whiny teenager.
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giantstock : 5/4/2018 10:56 am : link
In comment 13954204 arcarsenal said:
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You seem like you could use a xanax or something. Your posts read like a whiny teenager.


Lay off the acid buddy. You hallucinating again? LMAO at the "whiny" comment.
Giants need much more than just DRC to hope to contend  
SGMen : 5/4/2018 11:14 am : link
I do believe that signing DRC to a reasonable contract would likely be a good move. The one variable we don't know is "how motivated would DRC be at slightly above league veteran minimum?" - incentives would be needed with this guy.

We need, IMHO, two veteran corners; a FS; a RT; a true #2 WR; and possibly an OG. And this assumes no major injuries in camp & early season.

My prayer & hope lies in the offense rebounding under HC Shurmur. We have weapons that create matchup problems (Odell double teamed; Engram on a S or LB is a mis-match most times; Barkley will not only run it well but 60+ catches should be there for the taking; etc. The OL is a big question mark & so is WR #2.

If this offense can stay healthy and the younger OL's develop we will be competitive during the season.

I see Dallas & Washington struggling and the Eagles the division winner.

Go Giants!
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