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Landon Collins & Brandon Jacobs on WFAN

blueberry : 5/4/2018 10:23 am
Earlier with Boomer & Gio -did anyone listen? I caught just some of it-
Collins says arm is coming along - they had to add another screw - hopes to be ready in 4-6 weeks -also gave a glowing opinion of D Webb - said going against him in practice the kid put the ball where he, Jackrabbit, and DRC couldn't touch it - said no reason why the kid can't be the future

There was a lot of info - BJ spoke of Coughlin - also of the past fired coach -hopefully someone can fill in more
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RE: That is quite an interview  
baadbill : 5/4/2018 11:17 am : link
In comment 13954240 Jay in Toronto said:
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I thought I heard, in the response to what went wrong hesaid something about 'Eli having problems at home.'


Eli Apple
RE: That is quite an interview  
baadbill : 5/4/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13954240 Jay in Toronto said:
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I thought I heard, in the response to what went wrong hesaid something about 'Eli having problems at home.'


And was in response to "What went wrong with the DBs" ... all the turmoil with the DBs last year...

And in his response he mentioned Eli having some issues at home (i.e. Eli Apple and his mom)
no I missed because when I turned on the car radio, Norman "Mr. Class"  
Victor in CT : 5/4/2018 11:26 am : link
Esiasion and the other assholes were yucking it up over some Francesa clip.

I'll repeat, whatever faults Mike has, he NEVER disparages other hosts on the station on his show, and won't allow callers to do it either.
Collins is a bit too chatty with the media  
JonC : 5/4/2018 11:27 am : link
I know fans want to know what is going on in-house, but agree he's got to learn when to zip it, especially when the media is hunting for a soundbyte to reel in the clicks/listeners.
Bwahhhaaahhhaaa Jacobs on Gettleman...  
FranknWeezer : 5/4/2018 11:30 am : link
"I always thought the guy who wore his pants up on his stomach was an interesting guy."
RE: RE: That is quite an interview  
FranknWeezer : 5/4/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 13954260 baadbill said:
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In comment 13954240 Jay in Toronto said:


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I thought I heard, in the response to what went wrong hesaid something about 'Eli having problems at home.'



Eli Apple


Listened again. "Eli just had...at-home problems."

Yep, Apple.
RE: RE: That is quite an interview  
jestersdead : 5/4/2018 11:43 am : link
In comment 13954262 baadbill said:
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In comment 13954240 Jay in Toronto said:


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I thought I heard, in the response to what went wrong hesaid something about 'Eli having problems at home.'




And was in response to "What went wrong with the DBs" ... all the turmoil with the DBs last year...

And in his response he mentioned Eli having some issues at home (i.e. Eli Apple and his mom)


There was an article written during the season about the personal problems in the Apple family. I believe a step brother or close cousin gave the star ledger quotes. Apple's mom broke up with her 2nd husband, who was very close to Eli and it really hurt the family relationship
Flowers  
Thegratefulhead : 5/4/2018 11:44 am : link
Of course he his mad...duh. Do you know one single human being that would not be mad if their employer publicly hired someone else for their position, gave them the raise they were dreaming of, demoted them and told them they had to compete for their new position. I am not defending Flowers, but for FFS let him be mad. Give him some time to come grips with it, and see what he does in camp. Still relatively young.
Here's a different prespective on the Flowers  
Rory : 5/4/2018 11:48 am : link
holdout. An I'm not trying to say he's the future LT of the team but

Apply the same scenario to yourself...

I'm sure anyone and everyone on this board would be pissed and feel cheated if the company you worked for replaced you with someone new and you had to find out from that person.

NO you wouldn't stop going to work, but you would prob not attend any of the "VOLUNTARY" work events such as team builders and fundraisers. I know I wouldn't, and I def would start speaking to other companies or get council

This is similar to what is happening with Flowers.

So If this is true, it makes sense for Flowers to make a business decision.

as soon as I post....gratefull dead  
Rory : 5/4/2018 11:49 am : link
gets it
Maybe Collins is trying to force  
bradshaw44 : 5/4/2018 11:50 am : link
What he views as a weak link off the team and out of the locker room. He may have resentment towards him for corrupting the culture of the team last year. If that’s the case then I get why he isn’t backing off.
I would argue that Flowers' profession is not the same as mine  
Bill L : 5/4/2018 12:01 pm : link
In his profession, competition is inherent in the job and the employer is constantly bringing in someone to improve the spot. Free agents, the draft, currently players on the roster move up and down or out on a continual basis and the employee should be full aware of that and realize what being a professional entails.

Flowers didn't have that opportunity because Beatty got hurt, but what we he expect if he had actually beaten Beatty out on the field? That Beatty would have an understandable temper tantrum? No. He would have said that it's part of the business. What would have happened if, instead of signing Solder, they had drafted a top LT with the idea of that person starting? Should Flowers have also been expected to pout?

Should we be understanding if Gallman ran away from home? Or if Kerry Wynn or Davis Webb had the sniffles?
RE: .  
trueblueinpw : 5/4/2018 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13954202 arcarsenal said:
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Lanton Collins should probably just fall in line here and STFU if we're being honest.


Agree. Wtf is wrong with Collins that he keeps running his pie hole?
RE: no I missed because when I turned on the car radio, Norman  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/4/2018 12:06 pm : link
In comment 13954267 Victor in CT said:
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Esiasion and the other assholes were yucking it up over some Francesa clip.

I'll repeat, whatever faults Mike has, he NEVER disparages other hosts on the station on his show, and won't allow callers to do it either.


They made me miss Fat Mike. At least he sticks to sports, given his superficial football analysis, now too hot stove Yankee trade rumors.

These idiots on WFAN and ESPN try to be up yuck it up personalities, unbearable. News flash, you should have an actual personality.
RE: I would argue that Flowers' profession is not the same as mine  
Rory : 5/4/2018 12:06 pm : link
In comment 13954307 Bill L said:
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In his profession, competition is inherent in the job and the employer is constantly bringing in someone to improve the spot. Free agents, the draft, currently players on the roster move up and down or out on a continual basis and the employee should be full aware of that and realize what being a professional entails.

Flowers didn't have that opportunity because Beatty got hurt, but what we he expect if he had actually beaten Beatty out on the field? That Beatty would have an understandable temper tantrum? No. He would have said that it's part of the business. What would have happened if, instead of signing Solder, they had drafted a top LT with the idea of that person starting? Should Flowers have also been expected to pout?

Should we be understanding if Gallman ran away from home? Or if Kerry Wynn or Davis Webb had the sniffles?


profession same or different, you're gonna be fucking pissed regardless. He's not pouting, fans are saying stupid shit to validate their claim.

He's looking out for his best interest. Which anyone would do yet he gets chastised for it.

I really question some of the people on this board sometimes...
Flowers has every right to be pissed over the signing.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/4/2018 12:08 pm : link
Won’t matter amd he’ll be gone after this season (if not sooner), but I’d be pissed as well..
Sitting at home when literally every single other person is together  
Bill L : 5/4/2018 12:10 pm : link
working out, getting better, becoming part of the team, helping the team to become a winning franchises,

is not pouting?

Tell me how that helps him and how that is looking out for his best interest.
Quasi transcript & highlights  
Pascal4554 : 5/4/2018 12:15 pm : link
For those who don't have time to listen. Agree Collins is a bit too chatty. Jacobs is hilarious.

Collins - Shurmur a player’s coach, and first coach to eatlunch with him and the players, but also said he could be stern.
Collins - Giant’s culture is heading in the right direction, but too early to tell.
Jacobs- loves Coughlin. Said Coughlin didn’t have any favorites except for possibly Bradshaw. Jacobs said Coughlin would be really hard on critiquing Snee, but otherwise they didn’t communicate much.
Collins- likes Saquon’s attitude seems very humble, down to earth, and ready to work.
Jacobs - loves Gettleman. He is glad the Carolina players criticized Gettleman publicly to get him out of Carolina and back with the Giants where he belongs. Says Gettleman is down to earth.
Collins- says a lot of miscommunication between “upstairs” (assume he means the coaches) and the secondary last year. Lots of injuries to the secondary. DRC was playing through a back injury and a knee injury. Eli Apple stuff is behind them.
Jacobs- give Webb a shot, didn’t need a take a quarterback high in the draft.
Collins - “Webb is the future”. Very complimentary. Webb deserves the chance.
Collins – “Eli is our guy”.
Jacobs- “I knew McAdoo had no clue what was going on”… in reference to last year. Says McAdoo asked Jacobs if he had any advice during last season- Jacobs replied “I don’t know, I coach kids (children)”...
Jacobs- “We kind of always stuck together and our coach never threw us under the bus.”
Jacobs- Coughlin was totally in control.
Collins- McAdoo didn’t loose control of the locker room, but lost the respect from the players. (trying not to throw McAdoo under the bus)
Jacobs – Doesn’t think Giants give Beckham contract before the season starts. Doesn’t work that way, but will have to give him a contract after the season. Understands why Beckham wants a new contract.
Jacobs- Predicts Giants go 12 and 4. Beckham has a big year.
Collins- Supportive of Odell. Says he deserves new contract. Guys who criticism him don’t really know him.
Collins- Betcher is awesome. Plenty of guys about to be making plays. Not a lot of gray areas in the defense.
Jacobs –Gives a positive spin on Flowers not being at OTA’s. Says a lot of guys who stay away from OTA feel like they are working with their own trainers focused on just them. Flower should be there though to learn the new scheme.
Jacobs- in reference to Flowers and criticism– “you don’t want criticism go to Cleveland- this is New York, that you will get (criticism)”
Collins- Texted Flowers to come to OTAs when he didn’t show up. Flowers did not respond back. He is unhappy (heard from his cousin) that they picked up Nate Solider.
Jacobs – in reference to Flowers – “Every year they are going to try to find someone to replace you”. When Tiki left they brought in a lot of guys (to compete with him) only one that worked was Ahmad. You have to up your game. Older you get, you have to keep working.
Jacobs- not a huge fan of Matt Ryan’s new contract. It’s a lot of money (need money to spend on other positions). A lot of Atlanta fans not happy about it.
Jacobs- Passionate about coaching little kids to play football. Most important is to teach safety.
Collins – doesn’t understand new rules on tackling. Doesn’t want to go low on receivers and risk injuring their knees or ankles.
Jacobs – NFL doesn’t protect running backs. Only guy not being protected.
RE: Flowers has every right to be pissed over the signing.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/4/2018 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13954321 Big Blue '56 said:
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Won’t matter amd he’ll be gone after this season (if not sooner), but I’d be pissed as well..


There's no law against having your feelings hurt, but why would he have a right to? He wasn't performing at a level where he could say with a straight face that he deserved to hold his job.
Also disagree with Jacobs  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/4/2018 12:27 pm : link
Runningbacks aren't the only unprotected class. Linemen have had a legitimate gripe for years about low blocks still being legal and the league doesn't do anything about it.
RE: RE: Flowers has every right to be pissed over the signing.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/4/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13954337 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13954321 Big Blue '56 said:


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Won’t matter amd he’ll be gone after this season (if not sooner), but I’d be pissed as well..



There's no law against having your feelings hurt, but why would he have a right to? He wasn't performing at a level where he could say with a straight face that he deserved to hold his job.


Human nature
There's no pouting in football  
jeff57 : 5/4/2018 12:34 pm : link
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RE: RE: I would argue that Flowers' profession is not the same as mine  
Klaatu : 5/4/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13954317 Rory said:
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In comment 13954307 Bill L said:


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In his profession, competition is inherent in the job and the employer is constantly bringing in someone to improve the spot. Free agents, the draft, currently players on the roster move up and down or out on a continual basis and the employee should be full aware of that and realize what being a professional entails.

Flowers didn't have that opportunity because Beatty got hurt, but what we he expect if he had actually beaten Beatty out on the field? That Beatty would have an understandable temper tantrum? No. He would have said that it's part of the business. What would have happened if, instead of signing Solder, they had drafted a top LT with the idea of that person starting? Should Flowers have also been expected to pout?

Should we be understanding if Gallman ran away from home? Or if Kerry Wynn or Davis Webb had the sniffles?



profession same or different, you're gonna be fucking pissed regardless. He's not pouting, fans are saying stupid shit to validate their claim.

He's looking out for his best interest. Which anyone would do yet he gets chastised for it.

I really question some of the people on this board sometimes...


How is not showing up to work out with your teammates and meet your new Head Coach and Position Coach in his best interest? Don't you think NFL GMs and Coaches talk to each other? If he thinks blowing off the OTA is going to endear him to potential suitors once he hits the open market, he should think again.

He's sucked at his job for three years. I gave him a pass for year one because clearly he was thrust into a role for which he was not prepared, but for the two years after that? Sorry, not sorry that the new regime felt that he had to be replaced.

Tell me why Ereck Flowers deserved to keep his starting LT job? You can't. Tell me why the Giants should have picked up his 5th year option. You can't do that, either. And tell me why he isn't acting like a petulant brat with a ridiculously inflated sense of entitlement, because that's exactly how he's acting.
RE: Flowers  
Beer Man : 5/4/2018 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13954173 DanMetroMan said:
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really seems like a big time loser if this is accurate.
or just an immature kid
Flowers should be  
mdc1 : 5/4/2018 12:59 pm : link
immature on someone else's dime.
Flowers  
Dragon : 5/4/2018 1:09 pm : link
Has to be the worst LT to ever play in the NFL I mean he started like 40+ games and they had to replace his QB like what 50 times, oh no that’s not right never. Now let’s not forget he had a Carl Lewis type speed merchant playing QB so every tiny mistake is a tragic error. We just paid a LT the record amount to do his job why because this guy is going to never allow a sack again from his former position.

I’m so sick of hearing Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers were the reason why this team sucked from start to finish when it was a complete team effort. Let’s see what happens with the new and improved line or somewhat improved offensive line I don’t even know what to call them at this point.
RE: .  
mattyblue : 5/4/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13954202 arcarsenal said:
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Lanton Collins should probably just fall in line here and STFU if we're being honest.


This is the truth. Flowers may suck, and may be a bad teammate and all kinds of other shit, but Collins is a dick for going on the radio to screw with the guys livelihood. This isn’t the first time either.
RE: Sitting at home when literally every single other person is together  
UConn4523 : 5/4/2018 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13954325 Bill L said:
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working out, getting better, becoming part of the team, helping the team to become a winning franchises,

is not pouting?

Tell me how that helps him and how that is looking out for his best interest.


Collins actually said a lot of players are simply more comfortable and think they get a better workout with their own trainers. Whether that’s a good idea is debatable but it’s not like he’s blowing off football.
RE: Flowers  
Big Blue '56 : 5/4/2018 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13954388 Dragon said:
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Has to be the worst LT to ever play in the NFL I mean he started like 40+ games and they had to replace his QB like what 50 times, oh no that’s not right never. Now let’s not forget he had a Carl Lewis type speed merchant playing QB so every tiny mistake is a tragic error. We just paid a LT the record amount to do his job why because this guy is going to never allow a sack again from his former position.

I’m so sick of hearing Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers were the reason why this team sucked from start to finish when it was a complete team effort. Let’s see what happens with the new and improved line or somewhat improved offensive line I don’t even know what to call them at this point.


Tony Mandarich was worse
I saw where Collins also said.....  
Simms11 : 5/4/2018 1:29 pm : link
that “Flowers has to work harder if he’s ever going to reach the potential the Giants saw in him when they drafted him”. That’s also very telling. I think Collins will be more of a leader this year too. With that said, Collins didn’t say anything wrong IMO. He’s very honest and I think that’s refreshing actually.
Flowers.  
old man : 5/4/2018 1:38 pm : link
Lost his specific job, but transferred to another location,has to compete , for the first time, for the prime job there.
It's not a thrilling experience.
That said, if he hasn't been paying attention to general consensus comments from those outside the organization, then he needs a real wake up call.
Webb  
Archer : 5/4/2018 1:41 pm : link
The most important item that I took from the interview was the high regard that Collins has for Webb
He said that Webb can make every throw, into small windows where only the receiver can catch the ball
Colin’s said he would know as he played against Webb in practice

He also offered that Webb is studious and has the temperament to be the man
Whst is brandon jacobs doing now?  
youtoo2 : 5/4/2018 2:13 pm : link
Other than coaching youth football.
RE: I saw where Collins also said.....  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/4/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13954417 Simms11 said:
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that “Flowers has to work harder if he’s ever going to reach the potential the Giants saw in him when they drafted him”. That’s also very telling. I think Collins will be more of a leader this year too. With that said, Collins didn’t say anything wrong IMO. He’s very honest and I think that’s refreshing actually.


Collins has excellent leadership qualities and should be the face of our D. Hopefully he's molded to be our Brian Dawkins. He has every right as the leader to call out Ol' Three Whiff for not showing up at camp.
RE: Whst is brandon jacobs doing now?  
UConn4523 : 5/4/2018 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13954464 youtoo2 said:
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Other than coaching youth football.


That’s it. He was asked about every having a booth no as Boomer thought he’d be great for it but he said that he wasn’t meant to have ties to the NFL post playing career. Said he much more enjoys working with kids and lives off of the interest from his playing days. I love that answer, and I love how he’s trying to teach youth and give them someone tangible to look up to.
Booth job  
UConn4523 : 5/4/2018 2:27 pm : link
*
Met Jacobs in an Atlantic City elevator once  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/4/2018 2:36 pm : link
Great nice guy, every bit 6'4" and 260 lbs+.
RE: RE: Sitting at home when literally every single other person is together  
Pascal4554 : 5/4/2018 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13954411 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13954325 Bill L said:


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working out, getting better, becoming part of the team, helping the team to become a winning franchises,

is not pouting?

Tell me how that helps him and how that is looking out for his best interest.



Collins actually said a lot of players are simply more comfortable and think they get a better workout with their own trainers. Whether that’s a good idea is debatable but it’s not like he’s blowing off football.


Jacobs said that. Not Collins.
Got them mixed up I guess  
UConn4523 : 5/4/2018 2:50 pm : link
either way the point remains.
the Eli and Flowers stuff is hardly breaking news  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/4/2018 2:54 pm : link
and not in-house stuff. I don't think Collins did anything wrong.

There was a long, long article last year about Eli and the family dysfunctions last year. And Flowers being upset about losing his position is just common sense. Of course, he is upset. The question is what he is going to do about it now that he hired a reasonable person to advise him.
RE: RE: no I missed because when I turned on the car radio, Norman  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/4/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13954315 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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In comment 13954267 Victor in CT said:


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Esiasion and the other assholes were yucking it up over some Francesa clip.

I'll repeat, whatever faults Mike has, he NEVER disparages other hosts on the station on his show, and won't allow callers to do it either.



They made me miss Fat Mike. At least he sticks to sports, given his superficial football analysis, now too hot stove Yankee trade rumors.

These idiots on WFAN and ESPN try to be up yuck it up personalities, unbearable. News flash, you should have an actual personality.

That's just how morning shows are, and it's not unique to B&G. It's not unique to NYC. It's not unique to sports talk radio. Nearly every morning radio show, regardless of hosts, market, or format has their yuk-it-up elements.
Collins spoke about it  
UConn4523 : 5/4/2018 3:20 pm : link
as if everyone already knew about it, which we all did. I don’t have a problem with it. In general I don’t really care about this kind of suff unless it was malicious.
Flowers is delusional and entitled  
AcesUp : 5/4/2018 4:02 pm : link
Did he really think he was in line for Top LT money? He's had 3 years to lock down that position, given every opportunity to succeed and hasn't done so. He was clearly on the Fluker path of 4 years followed by a low annual 1 yr prove it deal. If anything, the move to RT may be a blessing for him, he needed a change because the status quo wasn't doing him any favors.

One common denominator between Apple and Flowers is the involvement of the parents in their professional affairs. I'm not talking about guiding them but actually being the one calling the shots as their manager or agent. Obviously, it's a generalization but that has to be where the deluded sense of entitlement comes from. If you're in this fantasy land bubble of life as a professional athlete, you need an objective outside perspective in your camp that can ground your ego a little.
One note here is  
UConn4523 : 5/4/2018 4:07 pm : link
Rosenbaus has been hired. If he though it would hurt him this badly would he suggest or demand that he show up?

I simply think it’s more than “show up or you are a shitty teammate” like many like to subscribe to. As usual, fans blow most things out of proportion.
RE: RE: I would argue that Flowers' profession is not the same as mine  
jamison884 : 5/4/2018 4:10 pm : link
Rory, his best interest is to get to every single NYG activity to improve and earn his next role on the team and paycheck.

No NFL team will look at Flowers and say his decision to skip workouts under a new coaching staff and playbook is helping his future potential and his value as a player.
RE: .  
Milton : 5/4/2018 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13954202 arcarsenal said:
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Lanton Collins should probably just fall in line here and STFU if we're being honest.
Yeah he's very big on airing dirty laundry and sharing what was said. Uncool. Not what leaders do.
RE: Here's a different prespective on the Flowers  
Mdgiantsfan : 5/4/2018 6:40 pm : link
In comment 13954290 Rory said:
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holdout. An I'm not trying to say he's the future LT of the team but

Apply the same scenario to yourself...

I'm sure anyone and everyone on this board would be pissed and feel cheated if the company you worked for replaced you with someone new and you had to find out from that person.

NO you wouldn't stop going to work, but you would prob not attend any of the "VOLUNTARY" work events such as team builders and fundraisers. I know I wouldn't, and I def would start speaking to other companies or get council

This is similar to what is happening with Flowers.

So If this is true, it makes sense for Flowers to make a business decision.


If you are playing/working at a high level, then yeah definitely would be upset about the “demotion”. But you have to have an honest assessment of yourself before you start throwing tantrums with your employer. While Flowers isn’t quite a bust, he has not performed such that his displacement couldn’t be justified. And nevertheless still collecting a hefty check.
Unless Flowers has an IQ of 10, he knows he hasn't performed  
baadbill : 5/4/2018 11:36 pm : link
at a high level... to think anyone, in any profession, can underperform for the entirety of their work history and not have any consequence, is to live in a fantasy world
Collins on Webb  
kelsto811 : 5/5/2018 2:49 am : link
Thought maybe it got a little lost with the talk about Flowers but this was during his interview yesterday on the Fan

"He is the future," Collins said when asked about his thoughts on Webb after watching him in practice. "When I play against him he puts some balls over my head, over Jackrabbit's (Janoris Jenkins) head in perfect spots where either the receiver is catching the ball or no one is catching the ball."

Boomer asked about how Webb is on the sidelines, in practice, and in games.

"Comfortable," Collins said using a word to describe Webb. "He's always next to Eli, earpiece in his ears, he's the future."

Would have loved to see Webb get a chance at some point last year.
Link - ( New Window )
Some of you sound like  
section125 : 5/5/2018 6:27 am : link
butt hurt prom girls whining about Collins and Flowers. Not one of you numbnuts give a fuck about Flowers and would (and already have) throw him under a bus. He said what everyone of us already knew that Flowers was pissed about them signing Solder.
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