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My NYG Manifesto

Dnew15 : 5/4/2018 11:48 am
I have a problem.
I am a whiny, bitchy, complaining NYG fan.

1.) I have bitched and moaned about DG being another pawn in ownership's overly conservative approach to roster build. I complained about how it will be just "business as usual" and that we just hired another Reese and/or Accorsi when a whole new philosophy from the top - down was needed to compete in the new-look NFL.

2.) I moaned about the Pat Shurmer hire. Another old, white, boring head coach that will fail to connect to the new-age player needed to win in a player-centric age of football.

3.) I have whined repeatedly about how Eli is done. About how they haven't addressed the problem of an aging QB who no longer has the magic and is a shell of his former self, with no real answer to the foregone conclusion that a replacement will be needed ASAP.

4.) I complained about the fact that Giants didn't trade down because their roster is full of aging NFL JAGS such as Kerry Wynn, Robert Thomas, William Gay, Brett Jones, BW Webb, Jerry Jones, Michael Thomas, John Greco and seem determined to collect every other below average OL or DB cut by another team.

5.) I grumble about the seemingly petulant key players littering the roster. The malcontent Erik Flowers, the immature Odell Beckam, the confounding Eli Apple, the confusing and reluctant leader Snacks Harrison. I opine about the NYG gearing up to pay these men to be the mainstays of the roster and building blocks of the future (at least in OBJ's case)and their inability to "fix" the culture of the team.

6.) I pretend to know that trading down was the only answer to fix the many holes in the roster and insist that a complete teardown and rebuild was in order as the only way to provide hope for the future.

I am frustrated by many years of mediocrity.
I am tired of getting beaten by the Eagles every damn time we play them. ( I live too close to Philly)
I am tired of meaningless games in November (in recent memory aside from 2016).
The NYG had two amazing runs in the postseason in the near past that I would never take for granted as a fan but, but it's been a long time since we dominated the opposition.

And in reflecting on these things - I have realized something.

I am a bad fan.
I have become the football fan equivalent of the old man yelling at the young kids to get off his lawn.
I am a whiny, complaining, bitch.
Being a fan is about rooting, cheering, supporting, loving the NYG.
I am done being a Polly Pissy Pants.

From here on - I am no longer griping. I am letting it all go.
From now on - I will get behind NYG and for one main reason. Saquon Barkley.
He seems like a superior talent, a great dude, and the kind of player that can usher in a new generation of good NYG football.
I will no longer scatter my negative comments all over the BBI threads complaining about everything the organization has done.
Thank you BBI for the attitude adjustment.
I feel better already.
Go Giants!

Rip away.




Good post.  
NorwoodWideRight : 5/4/2018 11:51 am : link
But there's nothing wrong with being critical of the team you root for. You have a vested interest in whether they win or lose, so it's a right as a fan to be GM, coach and player. Sometimes it's okay to be a malcontent.
Bravo!  
Britt in VA : 5/4/2018 11:52 am : link
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Post of the year.  
Britt in VA : 5/4/2018 11:53 am : link
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Football teams are full of knuckleheads  
JonC : 5/4/2018 11:54 am : link
it never goes away ... now they're wealthy knuckleheads.
I think at  
Pete in MD : 5/4/2018 11:58 am : link
some point we all have to realize this is just entertainment for us. If being a fan of a team continues to make you unhappy, maybe it's time for a break.
Stubborness and the inability to see the other side  
Big Blue '56 : 5/4/2018 11:59 am : link
no matter what the facts are are the most grating thing.

Watch, should Barkley be everything he’s purported to be, the best concession that will be posted will go so,ething like this: “I am pleasantly surprised and pleased with what Barkley has brought to us, BUT I STILL WOULD HAVE TAKEN A QB.”
new age player, sad but true  
gtt350 : 5/4/2018 12:15 pm : link
" coach i want hip hop pumped in so I can focus"
You are a bad fan because you don't know our HC's name.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/4/2018 12:17 pm : link
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How old are you?  
Klaatu : 5/4/2018 12:20 pm : link
.....
RE: I think at  
tbonfig : 5/4/2018 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13954304 Pete in MD said:
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some point we all have to realize this is just entertainment for us. If being a fan of a team continues to make you unhappy, maybe it's time for a break.


....and this is what they call perspective. When I was younger, late teens/early twenties, I was one of those fans who would have a bad day if my team was performing poorly.

Then I met someone, got married, had kids, and realize there are much more important things than if we make the playoffs or not. I frankly didn't watch every game this season because it was not entertaining for me. I still kept up with the team but I didn't waste 3+ hours of my weekend for a team that looked like garbage.
39  
Dnew15 : 5/4/2018 12:27 pm : link
Maybe I am the old man yelling at the young kids on my lawn :)
its fine  
Rory B. Bellows : 5/4/2018 12:34 pm : link
I think we're going 14-2 EVERY year lol

different perspectives on things is what makes it interesting
RE: 39  
Klaatu : 5/4/2018 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13954340 Dnew15 said:
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Maybe I am the old man yelling at the young kids on my lawn :)


Strange. I would've guessed around 15 years younger.
The epitome of my family's Optimist-Pessimist-Love-Hate Raltionship  
Eli2020 : 5/4/2018 12:56 pm : link
With the NY Giants. If you ain't complaining, you ain't a real fan. I think it's just a New York thing to be honest.
Klaatu  
Dnew15 : 5/4/2018 1:01 pm : link
no worries...my wife also tells me that I'm very immature for my age ;)
I love it!!!!  
BCD : 5/4/2018 1:04 pm : link
great post bro!
I love this post  
Keaton028 : 5/4/2018 1:06 pm : link
In the end it’s a game and it’s entertainment. I’m excited to see this new chapter of Giants football, with tempered expectations. Like it or not, these are our guys and I want to give them a chance.

Also, Saquon Barkley is everything you want in a player: team first guy, unbelievably talented, hard working, humble... he’s a great player to be able to root for this year.
Pat Shurmur  
Dnew15 : 5/4/2018 1:16 pm : link
If being a bad speller makes me a bad fan...so be it.
What bullshit!  
Doomster : 5/4/2018 1:16 pm : link
Good post.
NorwoodWideRight : 11:51 am : link : reply
But there's nothing wrong with being critical of the team you root for.


Not according to BBI......

RE: Good post.  
old man : 5/4/2018 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13954296 NorwoodWideRight said:
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But there's nothing wrong with being critical of the team you root for. You have a vested interest in whether they win or lose, so it's a right as a fan to be GM, coach and player. Sometimes it's okay to be a malcontent.


The previous 7+ drafts and the results made a lot of us cranky vs. Ownership, GM, coach, and a few other things.
There's a new Sheriff in town.
Be optimistic until the owners, GM, Coach,players, draft regularly let you down.
LOL  
GeorgeAdams33 : 5/4/2018 1:32 pm : link
I love DG & PS

GO GIANTS!!!!
Excellent post  
Tim in VA : 5/4/2018 1:35 pm : link
Keep em coming all day
Could be worse  
gmenatlarge : 5/4/2018 1:41 pm : link
you could be a Jets fan...
Wonderful post  
Andrew in Austin : 5/4/2018 1:48 pm : link
One thing I like about this off season is I genuinely want to root for the new leadership as well as the new draft picks. Through last season, this was a difficult team to like, and it wasn't all about the W-L record.

The draft has also yielded what seem to be a set of hardworking, unentitled, likable guys to refresh the team. Hopefully their attitude infects the rest of this team.
For everyone who says  
Knee of Theismann : 5/4/2018 1:53 pm : link
"We could have had Darnold and Guice" or "Chubb and Guice"... "The gap between Barkley and Guice is smaller than you think" etc.

Go back and listen to what happened with Guice interviewing with teams and think about his character concerns compared to the kind of guy Barkley apparently is. Not only is Barkley more talented, he's going to be a better damn teammate, captain, and face of the franchise, period.

We got Barkley and Hernandez 1-2. WOW.
Only unabombers and communists have manifestos  
youtoo2 : 5/4/2018 1:59 pm : link
Seriously dude, sounds like this is the bitch bomber. Instead of blowing people up he will go online and bitch at them about football.

Great post  
NikkiMac : 5/4/2018 2:04 pm : link
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Fantastic post!  
GiantJake : 5/4/2018 2:05 pm : link
I wish more "fans" would take a hard look in the mirror and come to the same realizations. Bravo!
RE: Stubborness and the inability to see the other side  
Jimmy Googs : 5/4/2018 2:11 pm : link
In comment 13954305 Big Blue '56 said:
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no matter what the facts are are the most grating thing.

Watch, should Barkley be everything he’s purported to be, the best concession that will be posted will go so,ething like this: “I am pleasantly surprised and pleased with what Barkley has brought to us, BUT I STILL WOULD HAVE TAKEN A QB.”


Whats wrong with saying that? if the Giants have a good run game and still are winning because of poor QB play, the comment is reasonable...
Good post Dnew  
Jimmy Googs : 5/4/2018 2:16 pm : link
Except the calling Pat Shurmur "old" thing.

53 years young...

:-)

RE: Only unabombers and communists have manifestos  
emcca005 : 5/4/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13954445 youtoo2 said:
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Seriously dude, sounds like this is the bitch bomber. Instead of blowing people up he will go online and bitch at them about football.

by definition the bible and 10 commandments are a manifesto, as is the Declaration of Independence, and MLK's I Have a Dream speech...
Good job dnew  
idiotsavant : 5/4/2018 2:35 pm : link
Formerly known as doomster?

Welcome back!
RE: RE: Stubborness and the inability to see the other side  
Big Blue '56 : 5/4/2018 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13954458 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13954305 Big Blue '56 said:


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no matter what the facts are are the most grating thing.

Watch, should Barkley be everything he’s purported to be, the best concession that will be posted will go so,ething like this: “I am pleasantly surprised and pleased with what Barkley has brought to us, BUT I STILL WOULD HAVE TAKEN A QB.”



Whats wrong with saying that? if the Giants have a good run game and still are winning because of poor QB play, the comment is reasonable...


Nothing wrong per se, just typical of the stubborn. If with average to good QB play, SB helps us strongly contend, than their conviction that none of the top QBs were worth it, at least not enough franchise pedigree to match their evaluation of SB, was the correct call. Yet this will never be enough to change the minds of the QB only crowd, despite the Giants’ clear signal that in THEIR OPINION, none of them were worth the gamble
Bravo, Bravo  
UberAlias : 5/4/2018 2:54 pm : link
Tell 'em what to think.
Tell 'em what to say.
What's this? You're skeptical? --You just lost your privileges.
3-13, can you feel it? You better. We'll run your ass outa' here.
3-13, can you feel it? You better. Just ask BBI. (Blind, Bullheaded, and Intolerant)

LOL
RE: RE: Stubborness and the inability to see the other side  
micky : 5/4/2018 3:11 pm : link
In comment 13954458 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13954305 Big Blue '56 said:


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no matter what the facts are are the most grating thing.

Watch, should Barkley be everything he’s purported to be, the best concession that will be posted will go so,ething like this: “I am pleasantly surprised and pleased with what Barkley has brought to us, BUT I STILL WOULD HAVE TAKEN A QB.”



Whats wrong with saying that? if the Giants have a good run game and still are winning because of poor QB play, the comment is reasonable...


like politics...one side will always bitch about the other side..one has to agree to their side or else ..cant have differing views
Good Post Dnew,  
GMen23 : 5/4/2018 3:24 pm : link
It's good therapy to say it out loud. I'm hoping more come to your line of thinking. To paraphrase, 99% of us, don't get paid for our opinions. "WE are New York Giants Fans first".

I made it through drafting Tucker Frederickson over Gale Sayers. and Rocky Thompson in Rd 1, and so on.

I can accept drafting Saquon.
Differing views are fine. I didn’t want Manning and said  
Big Blue '56 : 5/4/2018 3:24 pm : link
so for several years. Then he won me over and I’m one of his biggest supporters. Some here, regardless of future outcomes, will always stick to their original opinion, no matter what. There is a difference between being obtuse and having differing opinions. That was/is my only point
This one of the most  
eugibs : 5/4/2018 3:32 pm : link
perfectly distilled examples of how groupthink works that I have ever seen. Seriously, I think psychologists could study it and put it in textbooks.
Nice!  
lax counsel : 5/4/2018 3:37 pm : link
Way to submit to the mob mentality! How dare any of us question a team that- since the second half of 2012- has been one of the worst in the NFL. This organization and its questionable decisions are definitely above reproach and explanation! Submit to the BBI will that all is well and 3-13 was just a sham (as was 7-9, 6-10, and 6-10).
RE: Nice!  
Big Blue '56 : 5/4/2018 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13954572 lax counsel said:
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Way to submit to the mob mentality! How dare any of us question a team that- since the second half of 2012- has been one of the worst in the NFL. This organization and its questionable decisions are definitely above reproach and explanation! Submit to the BBI will that all is well and 3-13 was just a sham (as was 7-9, 6-10, and 6-10).


No longer relevant and too soon to criticize. New HC, New GM. What happened before matters not
thought about the ...  
Dnew15 : 5/4/2018 3:56 pm : link
mob mentality line of thinking - then realized that the mob mentality's line of thought was healthier than my cynical, pessimistic line of thinking.
I converted.
Amen to the OP  
gmen9892 : 5/4/2018 3:57 pm : link
If it fails, then you have every right to rip the team and DG. Let's just at least give it a chance to play out though, before claiming that this will be a disaster.
Barkley and Hernandez fit both situations. They're nfl rookies  
Ira : 5/4/2018 3:57 pm : link
who are nfl ready. They'll help us both now and in years to come.
Well, Wynn, Brett Jones and Robert Thomas certainly don't fit the  
yatqb : 5/4/2018 5:51 pm : link
"aging" category. They may be mediocre (although I like Jones) but they're not old.
5 players from the last 5 drafts that give me hope going forward  
est1986 : 5/4/2018 5:58 pm : link
Saquon
Engram
Shepard
Collins
Beckham

Sprinkle in veterans like Eli, Snacks, OV, Solder, Ogletree, Jenkins and maybe there is some hope this year.... maybe
RE: RE: RE: Stubborness and the inability to see the other side  
Jimmy Googs : 5/4/2018 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13954519 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13954458 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 13954305 Big Blue '56 said:


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no matter what the facts are are the most grating thing.

Watch, should Barkley be everything he’s purported to be, the best concession that will be posted will go so,ething like this: “I am pleasantly surprised and pleased with what Barkley has brought to us, BUT I STILL WOULD HAVE TAKEN A QB.”



Whats wrong with saying that? if the Giants have a good run game and still are winning because of poor QB play, the comment is reasonable...



Nothing wrong per se, just typical of the stubborn. If with average to good QB play, SB helps us strongly contend, than their conviction that none of the top QBs were worth it, at least not enough franchise pedigree to match their evaluation of SB, was the correct call. Yet this will never be enough to change the minds of the QB only crowd, despite the Giants’ clear signal that in THEIR OPINION, none of them were worth the gamble


Huh? Not sure where you are going with this one, but I will leave it at that.
RE: Nice!  
Bill L : 5/4/2018 6:35 pm : link
In comment 13954572 lax counsel said:
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Way to submit to the mob mentality! How dare any of us question a team that- since the second half of 2012- has been one of the worst in the NFL. This organization and its questionable decisions are definitely above reproach and explanation! Submit to the BBI will that all is well and 3-13 was just a sham (as was 7-9, 6-10, and 6-10).
nto really sure what you’re questioning. It’s a different team, there’s no on field decision-making or play to armchair QB, the management and coaching staff is different so the logic of questioning because of past failures doesn’t apply, draft decision-making they have the advantage due to knowledge and experience. That’s all that’s really left to question but the uphill disadvantage you face is ginormous.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Stubborness and the inability to see the other side  
Big Blue '56 : 5/4/2018 6:42 pm : link
In comment 13954739 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13954519 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 13954458 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 13954305 Big Blue '56 said:


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no matter what the facts are are the most grating thing.

Watch, should Barkley be everything he’s purported to be, the best concession that will be posted will go so,ething like this: “I am pleasantly surprised and pleased with what Barkley has brought to us, BUT I STILL WOULD HAVE TAKEN A QB.”



Whats wrong with saying that? if the Giants have a good run game and still are winning because of poor QB play, the comment is reasonable...



Nothing wrong per se, just typical of the stubborn. If with average to good QB play, SB helps us strongly contend, than their conviction that none of the top QBs were worth it, at least not enough franchise pedigree to match their evaluation of SB, was the correct call. Yet this will never be enough to change the minds of the QB only crowd, despite the Giants’ clear signal that in THEIR OPINION, none of them were worth the gamble



Huh? Not sure where you are going with this one, but I will leave it at that.


Not worth the effort on this one. We’re both hoping for the best and to hopefully make a run with a reinvigorated and less PTSDed Eli
Ok, won't go down that road  
Jimmy Googs : 5/4/2018 6:53 pm : link
...


hmmm, old white coaches? A little racist? Bellichek is an old  
SterlingArcher : 5/4/2018 9:09 pm : link
white coach, how do you feel about him!
RE: hmmm, old white coaches? A little racist? Bellichek is an old  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/5/2018 12:10 am : link
In comment 13954927 SterlingArcher said:
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white coach, how do you feel about him!


He should stop benching his best players when his defense is getting disembowled in the super bowl.
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