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Wonderlic Scores for 81 Draftees

shyster : 5/4/2018 8:00 pm
Wonderlic scores for the top handful of QB prospects were published a few weeks before the draft but I hadn't seen any others until I happened upon this article.

The players listed represent 81 of the top 238 draftees. Why these and not others, I don't know.

Three NYG:

Lauletta 29
Barkley 18
Hernandez 15

Lauletta's is a decent QB score; Barkley's I'd say not a concern for the position; WH perhaps a bit of a concern considering the demands on offensive linemen.

Many expressed certainty that Hernandez would go in the first round and it is possible the Wonderlic score was a factor in his still being available in Round 2; that may well turn out to be NYG's good fortune.

Josh Allen's 37 score, which was publicized early, stands up as tied for the top score among all 81 players listed (Kurt Benkert and Mike McGlinchey being the others).

Others testing 30 or better:

Jack Cichy 36
Harrison Phillips 35
Sam Hubbard 35
Will Dissly 35
Dallas Goedert 34
Connor Williams 34
Zach Sieler 34
Joseph Noteboom 33
Brandon Parker 32
Dante Pettis 32
Dalton Schultz 32
Fred Warner 32
Justin Reid 31
Nick Bawden 31
Dimitri Flowers 31
Minkah Fitzpatrick 30
Mason Cole 30
Austin Corbett 30
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We drafted a bunch of dumbells  
Vanzetti : 5/4/2018 8:04 pm : link
Isn't Eli 39 and Odell 35?
I really wanted Sam Hubbard  
Vanzetti : 5/4/2018 8:09 pm : link
I would have taken Hubbard and Mason Rudolph with those two third round picks.

I like Lorenzo Carter. I just think Hubbard is a contributor from Day 1 and the perfect guy for the hybrid 3-4/4-3 we appear to be running.
Pretty surprised at these scores  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/4/2018 8:13 pm : link
particularly Josh Allen and Josh Rosen. I thought Rosen was supposed to be this mind-melting super intellect. For a QB he is pretty average. Josh Allen must have copied someone's answer sheet...

Baker Mayfield25
Sam Darnold 28
Josh Allen 37
Josh Rosen 29
Lamar Jackson 13
Mason Rudolph 28
Kyle Lauletta 29
RE: We drafted a bunch of dumbells  
shyster : 5/4/2018 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13954839 Vanzetti said:
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Isn't Eli 39 and Odell 35?


Yes on Eli. Can't find a score for OBJ at first look.

There's a reason Mason Rudolph fell to the end of the third round and it's the same reason Lauletta was available in the fourth (but I won't take the thread off-topic by saying any more).

Hubbard did look good against Barkley when OSU played PSU and I was thinking about him on draft day too. If we drafted Sam, he'd be on the same side.
RE: Pretty surprised at these scores  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/4/2018 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13954851 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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particularly Josh Allen and Josh Rosen. I thought Rosen was supposed to be this mind-melting super intellect. For a QB he is pretty average. Josh Allen must have copied someone's answer sheet...

Baker Mayfield25
Sam Darnold 28
Josh Allen 37
Josh Rosen 29
Lamar Jackson 13
Mason Rudolph 28
Kyle Lauletta 29


How familiar are you with the questions on that test? Its not a scholastic aptitude exam.
after hearding Barkley's news conference  
Steve in South Jersey : 5/4/2018 8:25 pm : link
and totally impressed; I think Wonderlic is either incorrect or irrelevant.
You can take a sample wonderlic online. It's a timed test  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/4/2018 8:35 pm : link
50 questions in 8 minutes.
I'd be more interested in how  
kelsto811 : 5/4/2018 8:42 pm : link
They tested for HRT. Funny story about them, for the event I run, I was shooting the shit with the guy that runs the tests and he told me they do it for all 32 teams and were put on the map when they told the Patriots flat out not to draft Aaron Hernandez.

Also, the Giants run their own test similar to a wonderlic. They do it individually with the prospect.
Yet, on draft day  
NNJ Tom : 5/4/2018 8:43 pm : link
All the talking heads, on each network, couldnít understand why Lamar dropped.
we used the wonderlic in HR  
Vanzetti : 5/4/2018 9:07 pm : link
a lot of companies do
Iíd have expected Barkley to be higher, considering we read  
mfsd : 5/4/2018 9:09 pm : link
about how he was taking a lot of practice tests ahead of time...but still donít think thatís a cause for concern
None of these are really a concern  
Big Rick in FL : 5/4/2018 9:15 pm : link
The Wonderlic is a completely ridiculous thing and has nothing to do with success on the field. There was a study done in 2009 that basically said as much.
RE: I really wanted Sam Hubbard  
Big Rick in FL : 5/4/2018 9:22 pm : link
In comment 13954846 Vanzetti said:
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I would have taken Hubbard and Mason Rudolph with those two third round picks.

I like Lorenzo Carter. I just think Hubbard is a contributor from Day 1 and the perfect guy for the hybrid 3-4/4-3 we appear to be running.


Sam Hubbard has the makings of a below average to average player all over him. Doesn't really have NFL athleticism or agility. His burst isn't good. He's just really not a good pass rusher. Benefitted heavily from playing on a stacked team IMO.

Lorenzo Carter might be a bust, but he has the potential to be a stud. Physically he's got everything you want in a 3-4 OLV. It might work out or it might not, but I will always take a guy with a high ceiling who has the physical attributes to be great over a guy whose maxed out and most likely never be more then an average NFL player.
RE: after hearding Barkley's news conference  
Big Rick in FL : 5/4/2018 9:23 pm : link
In comment 13954872 Steve in South Jersey said:
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and totally impressed; I think Wonderlic is either incorrect or irrelevant.


Yes that's exactly what it is. Irrelevant.
Emmit Smith and Ladainian Tomlinson  
widmerseyebrow : 5/4/2018 9:28 pm : link
Veer towards incoherence when they speak. I'd take the rookie version of either one for my running back.
RE: we used the wonderlic in HR  
BigBlue4You09 : 5/4/2018 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13954926 Vanzetti said:
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a lot of companies do


Yep amongst many other assessments
Here are the top 10 wonderlic scores of all time  
Big Rick in FL : 5/4/2018 9:33 pm : link
They are given 50 questions to answer.

Pat McInally - 50
Mike Mamula - 49
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 48
Greg McElroy - 48
Ben Watson - 48
Kevin Curtis - 48
Matt Birk - 46
Jason Maas - 43
Eric Decker - 43
Drew Henson - 42
Blaine Gabbert - 42

Here are the 10 worse scores of all time.

Morris Claiborne - 4
Ed Prather - 5
Frank Gore - 6
Vince Young - 6
Kelvin Benjamin - 7
Tavon Austin - 7
Terrelle Pryor - 7
Bobby Wagner - 8
Chris Leak - 8
Garrett Bolles - 9

To be completely honest the bottom 10 players have combined to have much more NFL success then the top 10.
RE: I'd be more interested in how  
shyster : 5/4/2018 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13954896 kelsto811 said:
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They tested for HRT. Funny story about them, for the event I run, I was shooting the shit with the guy that runs the tests and he told me they do it for all 32 teams and were put on the map when they told the Patriots flat out not to draft Aaron Hernandez.

Also, the Giants run their own test similar to a wonderlic. They do it individually with the prospect.


The HRT folk also called out Aldon Smith according to linked story,

As far as the worthiness of the Wonderlic, there was a study some years ago by two U of Louisville business professors that concluded it was of no predictive value.

But the assumptions of that study as to what constitutes NFL "success" are open to serious question. The authors did not attempt statistical performance analysis. They assumed salary and draft order demonstrated "success".

For quarterbacks, at least, statistical analysis has been conducted that does show positive correlation between a certain level of Wonderlic score and success on the field. Even here, there are, of course, notable exceptions such as Marino and Bradshaw.

Success in football is much harder to measure than success in, say, baseball, a fundamental fact pertinent to many issues and many discussions.

It's reasonable to conclude that NFL teams continue to use the Wonderlic because they do believe it has some value.
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Some comparisons...  
Doug in MA : 5/4/2018 9:46 pm : link
Frank Gore scored a 6...NFLís fifth all time rushing leader.

Could be an outlier but Tavon Austin, Terrell Pryor and Kelvin Benjamin all scored really low.

Probably donít want your QB in the Vince Young category though...guy was just flat out stupid. Didnít he slam dunk a football after a touchdown and they were losing by like 20 plus points in the fourth quarter?
I think wonderlic is one factor  
Vanzetti : 5/4/2018 9:49 pm : link
just like three cone or vertical jump

You don't draft a guy because he had a 48 wonderlic, just like you don't draft a guy just because he had a 40" vertical. But it is a consideration, part of the evaluative process.
RE: RE: I really wanted Sam Hubbard  
Vanzetti : 5/4/2018 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13954938 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 13954846 Vanzetti said:


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I would have taken Hubbard and Mason Rudolph with those two third round picks.

I like Lorenzo Carter. I just think Hubbard is a contributor from Day 1 and the perfect guy for the hybrid 3-4/4-3 we appear to be running.



Sam Hubbard has the makings of a below average to average player all over him. Doesn't really have NFL athleticism or agility. His burst isn't good. He's just really not a good pass rusher. Benefitted heavily from playing on a stacked team IMO.

Lorenzo Carter might be a bust, but he has the potential to be a stud. Physically he's got everything you want in a 3-4 OLV. It might work out or it might not, but I will always take a guy with a high ceiling who has the physical attributes to be great over a guy whose maxed out and most likely never be more then an average NFL player.


Did you see him at the combine? I think it is clear that he is athletic. 6.84 three cone--off the charts for a DE.

But I agree about burst. Strength is also an issue. But I think he would be a productive player in a hybrid 3-4/4-3 (assuming that is where the Giants are heading). Playing the Jack LB.
Wonderlic and shoe size are about equal in determining success  
Marty in Albany : 5/4/2018 11:16 pm : link
and shoe size is easier to get and more precise.
Damontre Moore must've been a 1 then  
Geomon : 5/4/2018 11:36 pm : link
Based on his play, the guy had mashed potatoes for brains.
RE: I really wanted Sam Hubbard  
Mr. Nickels : 5/5/2018 12:02 am : link
In comment 13954846 Vanzetti said:
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I would have taken Hubbard and Mason Rudolph with those two third round picks.

I like Lorenzo Carter. I just think Hubbard is a contributor from Day 1 and the perfect guy for the hybrid 3-4/4-3 we appear to be running.


Agreed. We will see though. Lauletta could be a steal.
Sample wonderlic questions.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/5/2018 12:06 am : link
You have 12 minutes to complete 50 questions.



If cookies sell for $1 and oranges for 75 cents, how many of each were sold for a total of $8.25?

What is the average of: 14, 17, 22, 27?

Max makes $3000 a month. He puts 15% in savings each month. After a year how much would he have in savings?

How many sides does a septagon have?

Sand is to beach as ____ is to road

If you have 3 dimes, 5 quarters, and 6 nickels, how much change do you have?


Select the word that is different from the others
change
ample
token
coin

42 x 0 x 6 =

Frankie wants a tattoo that will take 5 hours to complete. If the artist charges $85 a hour for the first three hours and half price for every hour after, how much will it cost?


a 1/4 of an inch is equal to ___ inches

The 12th letter of the alphabet is:

What is the mathematical average of the number of weeks in a year, days in a week, and the number of days in January?



RE: Sample wonderlic questions.  
BestFeature : 5/5/2018 12:23 am : link
In comment 13955095 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You have 12 minutes to complete 50 questions.



If cookies sell for $1 and oranges for 75 cents, how many of each were sold for a total of $8.25?

What is the average of: 14, 17, 22, 27?

Max makes $3000 a month. He puts 15% in savings each month. After a year how much would he have in savings?

How many sides does a septagon have?

Sand is to beach as ____ is to road

If you have 3 dimes, 5 quarters, and 6 nickels, how much change do you have?


Select the word that is different from the others
change
ample
token
coin

42 x 0 x 6 =

Frankie wants a tattoo that will take 5 hours to complete. If the artist charges $85 a hour for the first three hours and half price for every hour after, how much will it cost?


a 1/4 of an inch is equal to ___ inches

The 12th letter of the alphabet is:

What is the mathematical average of the number of weeks in a year, days in a week, and the number of days in January?




This is really easy.
...  
Toth029 : 5/5/2018 12:35 am : link
I feel it does matter for quarterbacks.
A lot of it is.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/5/2018 12:37 am : link
I've always struggled to see where this has anything to do with predicting success at the NFL level. The best you can say about it in my mind is how the person taking the test responds to pressure of a running clock.
RE: A lot of it is.  
BestFeature : 5/5/2018 12:46 am : link
In comment 13955107 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I've always struggled to see where this has anything to do with predicting success at the NFL level. The best you can say about it in my mind is how the person taking the test responds to pressure of a running clock.


If the test were harder I'd say that maybe it's to measure logical abilities such as standardized tests are in part designed to. So I can see it being important for QBs from that standpoint.
RE: ...  
bigbluescot : 5/5/2018 5:19 am : link
In comment 13955106 Toth029 said:
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I feel it does matter for quarterbacks.


I think the QB's will do serious prep for it, but I can't see say a DB or WR hitting example tests in the run up to the draft.
RE: RE: after hearding Barkley's news conference  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/5/2018 8:10 am : link
In comment 13954944 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 13954872 Steve in South Jersey said:


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and totally impressed; I think Wonderlic is either incorrect or irrelevant.



Yes that's exactly what it is. Irrelevant.


Same with Hernandez.

On the other hand, Lamar Jackson's actions, and he looks like his head his full of rocks, confirming his 13 score.
My firm uses Wonderlic as well  
Jimmy Googs : 5/5/2018 8:24 am : link
test is simple and requires basic thinking but across numerous topics. Some of the questions at the end require more thought and because its timed test-takers usually miss those.

Quite frankly, anything lower than a 25 and you are an idiot in my book or just didn't care while taking it...
I had to look up  
Mark from Jersey : 5/5/2018 8:37 am : link
Septicon.
Septagon  
Mark from Jersey : 5/5/2018 8:37 am : link
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RE: I had to look up  
BestFeature : 5/5/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13955202 Mark from Jersey said:
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Septicon.


Yeah, that's the only one that was kind of hard. My guess is 7 sides. There are a couple that having the multiple choice answers would have made it much easier. The first one for example. But all in all, that's really not hard. I also don't know what knowing what a Septigon is has do with anything. It doesn't test your IQ. It tests you knowing a useless, obscure fact.
RE: I had to look up  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/6/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13955202 Mark from Jersey said:
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Septicon.


Megatron and Starscream?
Are the Wonderlic tests online legit?  
BestFeature : 5/6/2018 8:03 pm : link
Because I just scored a 41 and want to know if I'm a genius or not, haha.
RE: Are the Wonderlic tests online legit?  
Jimmy Googs : 5/6/2018 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13956376 BestFeature said:
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Because I just scored a 41 and want to know if I'm a genius or not, haha.


if you have to ask...
RE: RE: Are the Wonderlic tests online legit?  
BestFeature : 5/6/2018 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13956386 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13956376 BestFeature said:


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Because I just scored a 41 and want to know if I'm a genius or not, haha.



if you have to ask...


Haha, I will say if the test that I took is only 70% of the difficulty of the actual test most players are either super dumb or just don't give a shit.
RE: RE: RE: Are the Wonderlic tests online legit?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/7/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13956391 BestFeature said:
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In comment 13956386 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 13956376 BestFeature said:


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Because I just scored a 41 and want to know if I'm a genius or not, haha.



if you have to ask...



Haha, I will say if the test that I took is only 70% of the difficulty of the actual test most players are either super dumb or just don't give a shit.


Some players have admitted in the past to blowing it off. On the surface it's pretty ridiculous to put a lot of weight on wonderlic scores. I mean, how smart is Ben Roethlisberger if he doesn't get 'No Means No', or how smart is Pip Rivers to just keep churning out children by the half-dozen?

NFL players are all specialists. You don't have to be 'book smart' to be good at diagnosing defensive formations before a play or on film. Some of the best players in the league have been dumber than a box of doorknobs at anything that isn't football.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Are the Wonderlic tests online legit?  
BestFeature : 5/7/2018 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13957024 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13956391 BestFeature said:


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In comment 13956386 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 13956376 BestFeature said:


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Because I just scored a 41 and want to know if I'm a genius or not, haha.



if you have to ask...



Haha, I will say if the test that I took is only 70% of the difficulty of the actual test most players are either super dumb or just don't give a shit.



Some players have admitted in the past to blowing it off. On the surface it's pretty ridiculous to put a lot of weight on wonderlic scores. I mean, how smart is Ben Roethlisberger if he doesn't get 'No Means No', or how smart is Pip Rivers to just keep churning out children by the half-dozen?

NFL players are all specialists. You don't have to be 'book smart' to be good at diagnosing defensive formations before a play or on film. Some of the best players in the league have been dumber than a box of doorknobs at anything that isn't football.


I read on the site I took the test in that some teams want guys at 50th percentile so they don't think for themselves too much. Though that doesn't follow for QBs.
RE: A lot of it is.  
giants#1 : 5/7/2018 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13955107 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I've always struggled to see where this has anything to do with predicting success at the NFL level. The best you can say about it in my mind is how the person taking the test responds to pressure of a running clock.


I always viewed it as a test of a players' work ethic/commitment. Simply 'studying' for the test by doing some practice tests for a few weeks/months leading up to it should guarantee at least a score in the teens.
RE: RE: A lot of it is.  
BestFeature : 5/7/2018 5:34 pm : link
In comment 13957270 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13955107 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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I've always struggled to see where this has anything to do with predicting success at the NFL level. The best you can say about it in my mind is how the person taking the test responds to pressure of a running clock.



I always viewed it as a test of a players' work ethic/commitment. Simply 'studying' for the test by doing some practice tests for a few weeks/months leading up to it should guarantee at least a score in the teens.


I really wonder if the questions posted here and those that I found online are the same difficulty as the real test. If they are there's not much to study for, much less for a few weeks.
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