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Role of Mike Shula?

TC : 5/5/2018 11:57 am
Does anyone have any insight into what kind of OC Mike Shula will be, because I don't? Shurmur is billed as an offensive minded HC who very much runs that aspect of the team. But Shula has also been described as an OC with very definite ideas about offenses. And he's certainly been around the NFL a long time now, hardly a wonderkind.

Some coordinators do little more than take care of details, while others create and run virtually everything about the offense. What do you think Shula's role will be here, and how will he and Shurmur split up their responsibilities?
Look up  
Pascal4554 : 5/5/2018 12:04 pm : link
the first interview Shula gave to the media. It is probably still on Giants.com. He was asked that question and I thought he gave a pretty insightful answer. Basically, his job is to execute Shurmurís vision for the offense. Typing on my phone or else Iíd try to find the link.
He wonít  
Pascal4554 : 5/5/2018 12:06 pm : link
be running the show according to him. It is ultimately Shurmurís offense. Iím sure he will have some input though.
My sense  
Joey in VA : 5/5/2018 12:12 pm : link
Is that Shula is going to coordinate the running game, he's a very run heavy OC and his teams are usually pretty high in the carries department. I need to look up exact numbers but I recall looking at his years as OC on pro football reference and he is very much a run oriented guy. In Carolina he had a guy in Trai Turner who is similar to Will Hernandez so I suspect we're trending in the direction of leaning heavily on the run.

Jonathan Stewart should be another coach in the RB room, I really think his arrival is for the guy who can teach Saquon the offense and impart some wisdom on how to last 10 years in the NFL at a punishing position.
Joey,  
TC : 5/5/2018 12:24 pm : link
any guess as to who is going to do the short yardage heavy work among the RB's? I thought Stewart because of his build and experience.
Shula  
AndyB : 5/5/2018 12:32 pm : link
The Giants will use a similar line of authority as the other teams whose head coaches also serve as offensive play callers, like Mike McCarthy in Green Bay.

The offensive coordinator will have the responsibility for in-week preparation (installation, practice scripts etc...), including the game plan, subject to approval, and change, by the head coach at any time. The head coach will call the plays on Sunday.

This will be Pat Shurmur's offense, and his team. He's the boss. Every assistant coach works for him.
RE: Joey,  
Joey in VA : 5/5/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13955353 TC said:
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any guess as to who is going to do the short yardage heavy work among the RB's? I thought Stewart because of his build and experience.
I absolutely think it's him. He is still a great short yardage back.
RE: RE: Joey,  
TC : 5/5/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13955364 Joey in VA said:
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any guess as to who is going to do the short yardage heavy work among the RB's? I thought Stewart because of his build and experience.

I absolutely think it's him. He is still a great short yardage back.

Thanks.

It's pretty remarkable he's been able to stick around for 10 years. Guys with both power and speed can still find a niche, even after they've lost a step, kind of like O. J. Anderson when he came to the Giants.
How different has Shula's offense been from Shurmurs?  
youtoo2 : 5/5/2018 1:25 pm : link
Shula has been an offensive coordinator before. How different have his offenses been?

We went through bullshit with McAdoo calling plays the last two years. I am concerned about Shurmur calling plays. I know this is his second stint as a head coach, but he was terrible the first time. I'd rather he focus on adding wrinkles and coaching the team. He will be on the radio, so he can always overall a play.

I would think in this case, Shurmur knows what he wants and then Shula puts in wrinkles and teaches it to the players. I have seen interviews with Belichek talking about his job was to put in the scheme Parcells wanted and adds wrinkles in every week.
Ill bet Stewart is in the league because he is a good pass blocker  
youtoo2 : 5/5/2018 1:30 pm : link
Ahmad Bradshaw could not run anymore when he signed with the coaches. They signed him because he was about the best pass blocking Running back in the league for several years. In 2011 when the Giant line was near last in the league, Jacobs/Bradshaw were the 2 best pass blocking backs in the league. If it was not for them, the Giants were not in the playoffs.

Ill bet Stewart is here for depth and blocking. I think aging Backs stay in the league because they can pass block.

4 of his last 6 years in the league he has been below 4 yards a carry. I am rather skeptical of him. Anyone know how he rates as a pass blocker? If he can't pass blocker, I dont see why he is here.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StewJo00.htm

Think Stewart  
bc4life : 5/5/2018 1:37 pm : link
could be a good closer. Giants struggled putting games away - Stewart will help with that, him and a punishing OLine.

Minimal on game day, I hope.  
GMen23 : 5/5/2018 3:00 pm : link
I bought in on the Vikings OC of 2017, calling our plays on Gameday. Not Don's son, who I have no complaints about.

As for Stewart, I can't believe he is more than locker room leader, & mentor to the chosen one. Even though he was signed before the draft.

Last year I had a Fantasy FB buddy, midseason, desperately trying to sell himself on Chris Ivory's goal line TD prowess. I said to him, "Do you really believe they are going to draft Fournette to be the face of the franchise, and after he takes them down the field, the Jaguars are going to give Ivory the touchdowns?

Barkley is 230+. I think the same applies.
Stewart is an excellent fit to mentor Barkley  
Eric on Li : 5/5/2018 3:33 pm : link
he's always been very good between the tackles, he's a similarly sized back, and for a bruiser he was also at one point a threat to break long runs. The familiarity with Shula is a positive.

Shula strikes me as similar to Gillbride. A lot of experience, though it's mixed. Guys like that may never be the best coordinators, but they have strengths that can be an asset if the HC puts them in the right position.
Are you the same guy who kept asking what Sullivan's role was in  
Ivan15 : 5/5/2018 4:51 pm : link
McAdoo's offense for the past couple of years?

You really should have figured out the answer by now.

You do know that Shula was a starting QB for Alabama, right?

It may be Shurmur's offense, but Shula will have to figure out how to make it work from week to week.
Also, if you want to know why the Giants don't have a QB coach,  
Ivan15 : 5/5/2018 4:59 pm : link
not only was Shula a college QB, but Craig Johnson was a QB and has more years coaching pro QBs than he has coaching RBs.

This is a good coaching staff, a teaching staff. It may not be perfect and Shurmur probably doesn't have his preferred coaches in at all positions but this is what happens when a new HC from outside the organization comes in.


RE: Are you the same guy who kept asking what Sullivan's role was in  
TC : 5/5/2018 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13955601 Ivan15 said:
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McAdoo's offense for the past couple of years?

You really should have figured out the answer by now.

You do know that Shula was a starting QB for Alabama, right?

It may be Shurmur's offense, but Shula will have to figure out how to make it work from week to week.

Still haven't gotten that Snickers bar, son?
My guess is he is going to be the guy in the booth ...  
short lease : 5/6/2018 12:15 am : link
Shurmur will be on the sidelines. How much input he will have ...?

There are Defensive minded HCs and there are Offensive minded HCs - they both have Co-ordinators. Kind of like Consiglieres ... Tom Hagen/Michael Corleone type of relationship?
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