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Barkley's penchant for boom or bust plays

BestFeature : 5/5/2018 12:59 pm
PFF had an article (linked below) about how Barkley is the type of guy that doesn't always take what's given to him and as a result while many of his plays are spectacular home runs, many of them are not very productive. This is likely due to both his style of running and a shitty OL. I know that Saquon himself mentioned taking what's given as an area of improvement. I know that a lot of people are happy about our time of possession potentially going up, but it doesn't seem like he's the ideal type of back for that goal.


Do you think that the Giants coaching staff can improve his play in this area and is it worth it if it'll limit his explosive plays?
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Is this the same poster  
dep026 : 5/7/2018 2:09 pm : link
who fantasized about John Jerry at night or his cousin?
In less than three years the Giants have spent at RB:  
Go Terps : 5/7/2018 2:13 pm : link
2016: 5th round pick (Perkins)
2017: 4th round pick (Gallman)
2018: FA contract to Jonathan Stewart
2018: #2 pick overall (Barkley)
RE: In less than three years the Giants have spent at RB:  
Enzo : 5/7/2018 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13957052 Go Terps said:
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2016: 5th round pick (Perkins)
2017: 4th round pick (Gallman)
2018: FA contract to Jonathan Stewart
2018: #2 pick overall (Barkley)

go back a little further you have $14 million for a nearly 30-year-old Jennings and a 4th round pick on Andrew Williams.
YEAH Thats my whole point  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 4:36 pm : link
The Giants throughout their history have been terrible at drafting RBs

Perkins is signed for a few years? WHO CARES
let him sell beer and hotdogs......he's not an NFL RB

Darkwa was the best back we've had since Tiki.......so what do we do?

We take the NUMBER TWO pick in the draft for a friggen RB
who despite his 235 lbs is not a bruiser, hes a dancer....they dance fast in the NFL...faster closers than you have in college
Cut Darkwa loose and keep ittsy bitsy Perkins.

I would have taken Josh Allen or Chubb the DE Chubb

Sometimes its hard to be a Giants fan. Too much dumb as

a post stuff goes on.

ELI..........he runs like an old man carrying a 50lbs sack of potaoes. I would bet the ranch Eli aint leading no one to the playoffs in the shape he's in now.
RE: RE: Sorry if you dont realize the RB keeps the drive alive  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13956377 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13956372 BluesCruise said:


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When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB

A RB in that same situation has a much greater chance of sustaining the drive

If you do not understand any of this move on to a post you like....understand

I was not comparing Tiki and Darkwa's careers but they botht had a knack for picking up tough yards



Youre telling ME to move on for lack of understanding? Youre the dipshit who cant see that EVERYONE on EVERY THREAD thinks youre wrong. Yet you continue.

You DO realize that this thing you wrote: When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB

.....is just as pointless and dumb as you associating Orleans fucking Darkwa.

I love how you claim that your concepts and posts are beyond me and others who have been posting on this site for a decade or more, yet you signed up last month and have it all figured out. Youve gotta be some 17-20 year old who associates his Madden franchise with NFL logic.

Your handle is lame too.


You've been posting here for a decade and let some new guy get under your skin? WOW What have you been posting?

I'd love to read some of your best stuff

I like to Cruise.....so shoot me Like my men in NFL Blue too
RE: Patience as a RB is often what separates the good players  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13957002 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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from the great ones. It's not about running fast. Leveon Bell is the best man doing it right now. Watching his play is awesome. Tiki Barber's final years he was one of the most intelligent runners in the sport. Read your blocks, see the play in front of you develop.

Being super-aggressive for those extra yards isn't necessarily a good quality. He's enough of an athlete that he can bounce out of an inside run if he doesn't trust the hole, and make a play out of nowhere while doing it, but young runners are impatient ones. It's something they all have to overcome, so it's not a rip. Watching him play, he seems like a very aggressive runner that's quick to break the play and swing for the fences.

And he needs to stop leaping. He's gonna land on his head at some point.


Finally someone on here who knows his football. My hat is off to you throwing cold logic on this marauding horde

Til Barkley learns patience he is of little use to us as a RB....I hope I'm wrong but from what I've seen of him he does not take the time to evlauate. Hopefully he will learn it....it took Tiki several seasons to learn that hesitation and explode trick. But Tiki worked out squating 900 lbs....This guy looks heavier up top, tik's weight was below the waist....whoever said Tiki could not break tackles must have been following the Giants on the Radio

He certainly is a physical specimen
RE: YEAH Thats my whole point  
Klaatu : 5/7/2018 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13957220 BluesCruise said:
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The Giants throughout their history have been terrible at drafting RBs


Their entire history? Including guys like Tuffy Leemans, Frank Gifford, and Joe Morris?

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Perkins is signed for a few years? WHO CARES
let him sell beer and hotdogs......he's not an NFL RB


He's only 23, and he showed promise as a rookie. Why cut him now, because he regressed in his second year? It took the legendary Orleans Darkwa five years to do anything noteworthy as a pro.

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Darkwa was the best back we've had since Tiki.......so what do we do?


So, Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, and Ahmad Bradshaw don't count?

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We take the NUMBER TWO pick in the draft for a friggen RB
who despite his 235 lbs is not a bruiser, hes a dancer....they dance fast in the NFL...faster closers than you have in college
Cut Darkwa loose and keep ittsy bitsy Perkins.


That's right. We signed Stewart, drafted Barkley, and kept Gallman and Perkins. What did we lose by not keeping Darkwa? Not a thing. There's nothing Orleans Darkwa can do that Wayne Gallman can't, and there are things that Saquon Barkley can do that Darkwa can only dream about.

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I would have taken Josh Allen or Chubb the DE Chubb


Color me shocked.

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Sometimes its hard to be a Giants fan. Too much dumb as a post stuff goes on.


You should have lived through the 70's.

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ELI..........he runs like an old man carrying a 50lbs sack of potaoes.


That's okay. They've got Barkley to run the ball Be happy for both of them.

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I would bet the ranch Eli aint leading no one to the playoffs in the shape he's in now.


Feel free to call me when Josh Allen wins a title in Buffalo.
Klaatu  
chopperhatch : 5/7/2018 7:41 pm : link
You are arguing with a 16 y/o....you will not win.

We have both obliterated his entire "Darkwa is better"/LDT was just "a screen pass guy" and he never addresses it. He probably eats lunch by himself in the cafeteria too.
Darkwa being our best RB since Tiki  
UConn4523 : 5/7/2018 7:46 pm : link
is amazing. Bradshaw's YPC is not only better, he did it for 8/9 seasons and was still over 4.0 YPC on a Colts team with a horrid OL. So how did Bradshaw get a job after the Giants (he too was injured a lot) but Darkwa hasn't? Jacobs also has a better a better YPC average despite being bigger and slower.

Such a great discussion going on here.
RE: Klaatu  
Klaatu : 5/7/2018 7:50 pm : link
In comment 13957361 chopperhatch said:
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You are arguing with a 16 y/o....you will not win.


That's okay, chop. I just like goofing on him.

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We have both obliterated his entire "Darkwa is better"/LDT was just "a screen pass guy" and he never addresses it. He probably eats lunch by himself in the cafeteria too.


As I said earlier, for him it's not really about Darkwa. It's about replacing Eli with the QB of his choice (I don't, for one minute, buy his BS about Chubb).
you guys are getting alll worked up about nothing  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 8:12 pm : link
You know as well as I Webb should have gotten his shot last year. The Eli 4 final game tour was madness

Darkwa was our best back last year and likely would be this year had he gotten his chance

Seems our owner is as sentimental about Eli as most of you are

Bradshaws out of the league (I believe) and he was cut by the Giants or simply left

I have no idea why no one has picked up Darkwa. I expect he will play for NE this year.

I hope Im dead wrong on Barkley but Ive lived through many Giants RB fools gold in the past. I need to see him play in real NFL games to get excited....and even if he is a decent back you dont spend #2 in the NFL Draft on a RB unless its a 21 yr old Jim Brown sent to us in a time machine. I hate to say this but this hysteria reminds me of the unstopable OBJ, Brandon Mashall combo people were jumping up and down about last pre-season.


As for QB I'm a big Davis Webb fan but this new kid intrigues me too...I would bet both would outplay Eli at this point in Eli's career. Eli is slow, jittery, and is making a lot of mental mistakes. He has problems with short passes and long ones (no touch) but still looks good on the mid-range ones. If he stands in there.

If this team continues losing Eli really needs to take a seat. He is not our future
What does Eli  
UConn4523 : 5/7/2018 8:21 pm : link
have to do with Barkley being good or not? You keep bringing up Eli when everyone else is talking about Barkley.

We didnít take a QB, I donít think anyone is interested in debating the pick anymore, even those who wanted a QB above all else. Time for someone to get over it. Eli is the QB in 2018 and heís got a massive upgrade at RB to work with now.
MASSIVE UPGRADE???  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 8:35 pm : link
He hasnt played an NFL game man

Give him some space

Did you purchase a pet rock or Chia Pet when they were the rage?
Massive upgrade  
UConn4523 : 5/7/2018 8:41 pm : link
just like youíd be claiming if we took a QB.

However will we replace Orleans Darkwa? I donít need to give him space, he doesnít know who I am and Iím not near him.
I cant remember too many RBs who came on  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 9:15 pm : link
like gangbusters their rookie seasons

Jim Brown, Ezikiel Elliott.....I'm running out of names

you are expecting miracles from this guy

Likely it wont happen

I didnt want a QB unless we could have gotten Mayfield....to me Davis Webb is as good or better than the rest of the hopefuls and our new guy is very intriquing too

I just cant see why no one else can see eli is just about done
The posters who..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/7/2018 9:20 pm : link
exist just to be annoying trolls continue to grow.

You can boil down this twat's talking points to :

- Barkley sucks
- Eli sucks

Basically the same talk track of several morons who post on singular topics with beating the same fucking drum.

RE: I cant remember too many RBs who came on  
T-Bone : 5/7/2018 9:23 pm : link
In comment 13957433 BluesCruise said:
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like gangbusters their rookie seasons

Jim Brown, Ezikiel Elliott.....I'm running out of names

you are expecting miracles from this guy

Likely it wont happen

I didnt want a QB unless we could have gotten Mayfield....to me Davis Webb is as good or better than the rest of the hopefuls and our new guy is very intriquing too

I just cant see why no one else can see eli is just about done


If youíre running out of names after only Brown and Elliott no offense but youíre not nearly as knowledgeable about the NFL as you think you are. Sheesh.
RE: The posters who..  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13957435 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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exist just to be annoying trolls continue to grow.

You can boil down this twat's talking points to :

- Barkley sucks
- Eli sucks

Basically the same talk track of several morons who post on singular topics with beating the same fucking drum.


hey man neither sucks

but Elis salad days are wayyyyyy over
hes ranked the 25th best QB in the nFL right now

you dont draft RB with the #2 pick

we once drafted Rocky Thompson #1 overall....what cookoo was runing that draft room?
T-Bone..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/7/2018 9:32 pm : link
he doesn't give a crap about sounding knowledgable.

If he did, he'd realize that a rookie RB almost every year comes on like a gangbuster and the list is long as hell.

- AP had 1350 yards and 13TD's
- Edgerrin James led the league with 1550 yards and 17 total TD's
- Kareem Hunt led the league with 1350 yards and 11 TD's
- Doug Martin 1450 yards and 12 TD's
- In 13 games, Leveon Bell had 850 yards and 8 TD's.

He doesn't give a fuck about history - he just wants to troll the message that Barkley was a terrible pick.
nothing more legit  
UConn4523 : 5/7/2018 9:32 pm : link
than quoting an NFL ranking. Its almost as stupid as going off of a bloggers draft board to determine the value of a pick.

Go look up how Edgerrin James, Clinton Portis, Adrian Peterson, some guys named Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson. There's plenty more. I suggest looking it up so you can reflect on how unknowledgeable you are.
I love the Gil Brandt comment  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 9:33 pm : link
A Cowboy from head to toe

Where does Jim Brown rank in his favorite college RBs of all time?? He's pulling your leg

He knows what Barkley is really worth....it aint #1 of all time
This thread has gone from funny to unbearable  
BestFeature : 5/7/2018 9:40 pm : link
.
Fats  
T-Bone : 5/7/2018 9:42 pm : link
Thatís what I found funny. Iíve been watching him state over and over again how much more knowledgeable about the league he is and yet those are the only two RBs he can think of that had outstanding rookie seasons?

Seems a bit... limited.
Edgerin James LOL Clinton Portis the worlds best blocking back?  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 9:46 pm : link
Give me a break

I did leave out Gayle Sayers though

Im old school but Elliott shocked me

Also Emmitt Smith and Bo Jackson came out of the gate like Justify on a muddy track
Portis..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/7/2018 9:49 pm : link
had 1500 yards and 17 TD's his rookie year. You really should just fucking quit now.

You can pretty much name a rookie back each year who blew up. But trying to refute Portis or James didn't come out of the gate?

Like I said - you don't give a fuck about being knowledgeable.
also according to the herd we had the worst Oline in NFL history  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 9:51 pm : link
BUT

Orleans Darkwa avg 4.4 YPC????? where does that make sense in some alternative universe?

According to most of you, If he ran for Dallas he might have broken Michael Turners one season YPC record
You are a stain of a poster  
UConn4523 : 5/7/2018 9:53 pm : link
whoís not even bothering to put together a coherent argument. You arenít worth anyoneís time. Enjoy rooting for Orleans Darkwa in the CFL.
Portis only avg 4.1 YPC his rookie year  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 9:54 pm : link
LOL
RE: You are a stain of a poster  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13957460 UConn4523 said:
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whoís not even bothering to put together a coherent argument. You arenít worth anyoneís time. Enjoy rooting for Orleans Darkwa in the CFL.


OK and you enjoy Eli moving in the pocket like Frankenstein
Wow..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/7/2018 9:58 pm : link
you really are a fucking moron.

Do the math.

273 carries for 1508 yards.

I'll save you the fingers there, Chief.

It is 5.5 yds/attempt
Shiiiiittttt  
UConn4523 : 5/7/2018 10:02 pm : link
Staaaaiiinnnn
RE: Wow..  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13957464 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you really are a fucking moron.

Do the math.

273 carries for 1508 yards.

I'll save you the fingers there, Chief.

It is 5.5 yds/attempt


you got me on that one i was looking at the wrong year

so how did darkwa do 4.4 behind th worlds worst oline not the hogs
your grandma could have run for 5.5  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 10:08 pm : link
behind "The Hogs"
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/7/2018 10:09 pm : link
He did it with Denver you fucking idiot.
Ya know...  
T-Bone : 5/7/2018 10:09 pm : link
I donít even want to say anything bad about Darkwa because he did a nice job last year and, as you said, was one of the few kind of bright spots last year. So Iím not even gonna dis the guy.

But I feel pretty confident saying that Barkley will be better before he even steps on the field.
The unintentional..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/7/2018 10:10 pm : link
comedy of not knowing what the fuck you're talking about is equal parts sad and hilarious.
RE: LOL..  
T-Bone : 5/7/2018 10:10 pm : link
In comment 13957489 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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He did it with Denver you fucking idiot.


Ok... this is just sad now.
Nope...  
T-Bone : 5/7/2018 10:11 pm : link
just sad to me.
I have to admit Fat Man  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 10:12 pm : link
He can Google with the best of them
RE: Ya know...  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13957490 T-Bone said:
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I donít even want to say anything bad about Darkwa because he did a nice job last year and, as you said, was one of the few kind of bright spots last year. So Iím not even gonna dis the guy.

But I feel pretty confident saying that Barkley will be better before he even steps on the field.


its refreshing to find a poster here who knows football
RE: RE: Ya know...  
T-Bone : 5/7/2018 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13957498 BluesCruise said:
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In comment 13957490 T-Bone said:


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I donít even want to say anything bad about Darkwa because he did a nice job last year and, as you said, was one of the few kind of bright spots last year. So Iím not even gonna dis the guy.

But I feel pretty confident saying that Barkley will be better before he even steps on the field.



its refreshing to find a poster here who knows football


LOL!
Love Ya FatMan  
BluesCruise : 5/7/2018 10:15 pm : link
as they say at thanksgiving

Google, Google, Google
Yeah..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/7/2018 10:16 pm : link
it takes google to know that Portis was drafted by the Broncos??

I think he also was the Offensive Rookie of the Year and there's also this thing about watching the Redskins at least a couple times a year and knowing he didn't play for them right away.

Christ, the trade of him for Champ was one of the most high-profile swaps ever.

Just because you seem to know shit about the NFL doesn't mean the rest of us are as fucking braindead.

The more I think about it..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/7/2018 10:19 pm : link
you even fucking suck at Google!!

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you got me on that one i was looking at the wrong year


You obviously were looking at something, yet got the YPC and the team wrong. You probably shouldn't rag on people using Google when you can't even grasp that task, Ace.
RE: your grandma could have run for 5.5  
bw in dc : 5/7/2018 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13957486 BluesCruise said:
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behind "The Hogs"


"Hogs" existence basically ended in the early '90s when Grimm, May, Jacoby, etc retired.
Is it..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/7/2018 10:22 pm : link
possible to bat under .000??
RE: Love Ya FatMan  
chopperhatch : 5/7/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13957502 BluesCruise said:
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as they say at thanksgiving

Google, Google, Google


BluesCruise and his friends:

BluesCruise  
T-Bone : 5/7/2018 10:27 pm : link
Friendly bit of advice... you should just stop now. I mean... guys are just coming out of the woodwork pointing out the things you have gotten wrong.
RE: BluesCruise  
BluesCruise : 5/8/2018 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13957517 T-Bone said:
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Friendly bit of advice... you should just stop now. I mean... guys are just coming out of the woodwork pointing out the things you have gotten wrong.


yes Ive obviously annoyed some people who more or less
deserved it

its a weird time of year
not much tangible to discuss
everything is yet to be proved and revealed
new players coaches. only Eli and the Owner remain
constant

lets put this post to bed

One final note though

Gil Brandt has a ďBest NFL RBs of all timeĒ
out
none were Giants and many were Cowboys


so much for Gils opinions
RE: RE: BluesCruise  
FJ : 5/9/2018 9:25 am : link
In comment 13958472 BluesCruise said:
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In comment 13957517 T-Bone said:


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Friendly bit of advice... you should just stop now. I mean... guys are just coming out of the woodwork pointing out the things you have gotten wrong.



yes Ive obviously annoyed some people who more or less
deserved it

its a weird time of year
not much tangible to discuss
everything is yet to be proved and revealed
new players coaches. only Eli and the Owner remain
constant

lets put this post to bed

One final note though

Gil Brandt has a ďBest NFL RBs of all timeĒ
out
none were Giants and many were Cowboys


so much for Gils opinions
Remind me...which team did Gil Brandt work for?
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