PFF had an article (linked below) about how Barkley is the type of guy that doesn't always take what's given to him and as a result while many of his plays are spectacular home runs, many of them are not very productive. This is likely due to both his style of running and a shitty OL. I know that Saquon himself mentioned taking what's given as an area of improvement. I know that a lot of people are happy about our time of possession potentially going up, but it doesn't seem like he's the ideal type of back for that goal.
Do you think that the Giants coaching staff can improve his play in this area and is it worth it if it'll limit his explosive plays?
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Yeah I saw, my guess it he wasn't super efficient in catches/targets but at some point when a player has the production Engram had you're being a contrarian and just trying to look smart.
I have no doubt he'll play tougher in the NFL, because he really won't have as much of a choice. But I hope the coaches don't try to turn him into something he isn't either. Short yardage RB's are a lot cheaper and easier to find. You don't buy a Ferrari and hitch a plow to it.
He admitted in an interview he does this. I dont think he will have Reggie Bush syndrome. I think he is coachable and will quickly learn you just gotta go.
I have personally said that before in different threads. Coaching and Jonathan Stewart will teach him to just take what the D gives you.
Thanks for reiterating that.
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He will be fine when he doesn't have to do everything himself.
Exactly. Defensives have been playing their safeties deep to help out with our receivers. Now they have to pick their poison. That's a bigger problem with Eli at qb, given his skill at reading defenses and changing the play at scrimmage to take advantage of that.
Is there a reason for this? The guy is big, strong, fast, can catch the ball like a WR, very good blocker and has a great attitude. He literally has all the tools to be great.
With a half decent OL, a handful of playmakers...Eli will really need to suck.
This offense should shine...if DG fix OL.
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But I don't think he'll be the superstar everyone is expecting.
Is there a reason for this? The guy is big, strong, fast, can catch the ball like a WR, very good blocker and has a great attitude. He literally has all the tools to be great.
It's interesting that the two NY teams have selected potential stars that did not live up to the expectations going into their final seasons.
It's true that there could be extraneous reasons (poor line, teams keying on him etc.)
Related to the issue in the OP, it is a bit of a caution to me. I have no doubt that he will be a new weapon. I am just a bit cautious about his ultimate ceiling.
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
"All he does is catch touchdowns."
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
Putting Orleans Darkwa in the same sentence with Tiki Barber is as pigheaded as most of your posts.
Anyway, this is where a guy like Johnathan Stewart can come in handy, as a mentor, a guide, and an assistant of sorts to Coach Johnson.
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He will be useless to us except as a Pass Receiver
i love the puuting the guy in the same sentence arguments
again you missed the point. RBs need to move the chains, passing is more suited to long gains, but you cannot mount a consistent march down the field if you do not have a patient back who can move the chains
agreed if there is no hole or a run blitz you cant do anything but pass
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
Putting Orleans Darkwa in the same sentence with Tiki Barber is as pigheaded as most of your posts.
Anyway, this is where a guy like Johnathan Stewart can come in handy, as a mentor, a guide, and an assistant of sorts to Coach Johnson.
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
Darkwa can't hold Tiki's Jock strap.
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He will be useless to us except as a Pass Receiver
i love the puuting the guy in the same sentence arguments
again you missed the point. RBs need to move the chains, passing is more suited to long gains, but you cannot mount a consistent march down the field if you do not have a patient back who can move the chains
agreed if there is no hole or a run blitz you cant do anything but pass
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
Putting Orleans Darkwa in the same sentence with Tiki Barber is as pigheaded as most of your posts.
Anyway, this is where a guy like Johnathan Stewart can come in handy, as a mentor, a guide, and an assistant of sorts to Coach Johnson.
More pigheadedness from the Sultan of the Sty.
An efficient offense moves the chains. It doesn't matter if that's done by running the ball or throwing it.
It may be a pass-first league, but it's certainly not a let's not run at all, league, or a we can get by with the still-unsigned Orleans Darkwa league.
The Giants are making a concerted effort to revitalize a running game that has been dreadful for way, way, WAY too long. Barkley in the first and Hernandez in the second is proof of that. An effective running game opens the door for a more effective passing game in a variety of ways. not the least of which is plwy-action passing, in which Eli has excelled in the past. Even in 2011, when the Giants' could barely run the ball for love or money, they stayed committed to it and kept opposing defenses guessing.
But, let's face it, you don't give a shit about any of that because you think Eli is cooked and the Giants should have drafted a QB in the first round. Everything else you say is just so much smoke.
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
Your continued lack of understanding is actually impressive. Is LeVeon Bells job just to move the chains? Gurley? Johnson? Kamara? It isn’t 1990, quit acting like it.
The league is still a passing league but having a RB that “just moves the chains” between the tackles is something teams no longer want to settle with. There’s a reason Bell wants to be paid like a WR...because he basically is one. This myth you spew on every thread about running backs couldn’t be more wrong.
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He will be useless to us except as a Pass Receiver
i love the puuting the guy in the same sentence arguments
again you missed the point. RBs need to move the chains, passing is more suited to long gains, but you cannot mount a consistent march down the field if you do not have a patient back who can move the chains
agreed if there is no hole or a run blitz you cant do anything but pass
This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains
Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki
If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
Putting Orleans Darkwa in the same sentence with Tiki Barber is as pigheaded as most of your posts.
Anyway, this is where a guy like Johnathan Stewart can come in handy, as a mentor, a guide, and an assistant of sorts to Coach Johnson.
You really do suck. To echo Klaatu, Darkwa in the same breath as Tiki? You do know how much more durable Tiki was post 2000 dont you?
Just awful stuff from you post after post. Have you seen anybody appreciate what you post? You are horrendous. You must be a kid. 16-25?
A RB in that same situation has a much greater chance of sustaining the drive
If you do not understand any of this move on to a post you like....understand
I was not comparing Tiki and Darkwa's careers but they botht had a knack for picking up tough yards
A RB in that same situation has a much greater chance of sustaining the drive
If you do not understand any of this move on to a post you like....understand
I was not comparing Tiki and Darkwa's careers but they botht had a knack for picking up tough yards
Youre telling ME to move on for lack of understanding? Youre the dipshit who cant see that EVERYONE on EVERY THREAD thinks youre wrong. Yet you continue.
You DO realize that this thing you wrote: When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB
.....is just as pointless and dumb as you associating Orleans fucking Darkwa.
I love how you claim that your concepts and posts are beyond me and others who have been posting on this site for a decade or more, yet you signed up last month and have it all figured out. Youve gotta be some 17-20 year old who associates his Madden franchise with NFL logic.
Your handle is lame too.
Perhaps you should ignore my posts...I doubt you will ever understand them
Lets see what Barkley averages....that number is not yet in
Both Tiki and Orleans ran with power and could find the crease.....Tiki was 5 ft 11 and so is Orleans
Tiki was a 200lbs back, Orleans carries 218 lbs
Not picking up Darkwa is going to be Gettlemans 1st huge
mistake....If Barkley flops it will be an even bigger one
Had he kept Darkwa he would have had a very cheap insurnce policy against a potential Barkley failure.
I'm not even to get into the keeping Eli mistake...Davis Webb stands ready to correct that one
How did that one turn out?
He cannot find the crease and lacks disipline as a RB in the NFL....goes down like shot with a buffalo rifle when touched
In college, he got away with it.
Perhaps you should ignore my posts...I doubt you will ever understand them
Not angry at all. My posts reflect my frustration with new posters like yourself coming on this board, with horse shit theories and injecting them into every thread. Ignoring you would suffice and I do that with some posters. But you post too much to allow for that. I also find it hilarious that you continue this narrative of having this vastly superior grasp of this game to the extent that I cant comprehend what you are getting at. I get it, I just think its dumb and so do many many other people.
The only reason I respond so fiercely is because this website is a place where great football talk used to happen all the time. It has now become a rarity thanks to chubs like you. If you would just back off and post quality, thought provoking things, you would see myself and others respond. But you chose to saturate this site with your blather and here we are.
A RB in that same situation has a much greater chance of sustaining the drive
If you do not understand any of this move on to a post you like....understand
I was not comparing Tiki and Darkwa's careers but they botht had a knack for picking up tough yards
Now I see your point. It matches the one on your head.
An RB's primary job is to run the ball. The situation may vary, down and distance may vary, but when he takes the handoff or the pitch, he runs with the ball, as fast and as far as he can. If it's 3rd and three and he picks up four yards, he doesn't stop and say, Well, I got the first down. My job is done. An RB that can pick up a tough yard or two is nice to have, but an RB that's a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball - in addition to getting the tough yards - is an even better thing to have.
An RB may also be called upon to block, to pick up the blitz, or to catch a pass, either by design or as a safety valve. If he does those jobs well, he can also help an offense to be more efficient. And, once again, it's the offense as a whole that is paramount. You might want to look up the term "force multiplier," because I figure that's what the Giants envision Barkley to be for them, and why they invested the second pick in the draft on him.
But no, you'd be content with that latter-day Jim Brown, Orleans Darkwa. What a joke.
Lets see what Barkley averages....that number is not yet in
Both Tiki and Orleans ran with power and could find the crease.....Tiki was 5 ft 11 and so is Orleans
Tiki was a 200lbs back, Orleans carries 218 lbs
Not picking up Darkwa is going to be Gettlemans 1st huge
mistake....If Barkley flops it will be an even bigger one
Had he kept Darkwa he would have had a very cheap insurnce policy against a potential Barkley failure.
I'm not even to get into the keeping Eli mistake...Davis Webb stands ready to correct that one
And LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 for his career. As did Marshall Faulk. Darkwa must be better than those guys too! But if you cant comprehend that, maybe you should like...leave.
Do you see how stupid you sound when you try and isolate a stat to project the career path of a player?
when someone who disagrees comes along they just cannot handle it
How dare someone not agree with their "popular" notions
When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues....forgive me for pointing out some of them...go back to the "herd" and find others who will console you with agreement
stop wasting my time...please
Wow this argument backfired.
What an asshole.
when someone who disagrees comes along they just cannot handle it
How dare someone not agree with their "popular" notions
When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues....forgive me for pointing out some of them...go back to the "herd" and find others who will console you with agreement
stop wasting my time...please
Bahahahahahaha! Youre fucking priceless. Dont you have school tomorrow?
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Orleans in 2017 (his 1st big sample size) Avg 4.4 YPC behind a horrific Oline
Lets see what Barkley averages....that number is not yet in
Both Tiki and Orleans ran with power and could find the crease.....Tiki was 5 ft 11 and so is Orleans
Tiki was a 200lbs back, Orleans carries 218 lbs
Not picking up Darkwa is going to be Gettlemans 1st huge
mistake....If Barkley flops it will be an even bigger one
Had he kept Darkwa he would have had a very cheap insurnce policy against a potential Barkley failure.
I'm not even to get into the keeping Eli mistake...Davis Webb stands ready to correct that one
And LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 for his career. As did Marshall Faulk. Darkwa must be better than those guys too! But if you cant comprehend that, maybe you should like...leave.
Do you see how stupid you sound when you try and isolate a stat to project the career path of a player?
LT was a screen pass guy, as was Faulk
Jim Brown AVG 6.1 YPC for 9 seasons (I know Turner AVG 8.1 for a single year so dont bring it up).....he is generally regarded the best of all time- Jim Brown that is....and it wasnt for catching screens IT was for running through, over and around gangs of tacklers
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Orleans in 2017 (his 1st big sample size) Avg 4.4 YPC behind a horrific Oline
Lets see what Barkley averages....that number is not yet in
Both Tiki and Orleans ran with power and could find the crease.....Tiki was 5 ft 11 and so is Orleans
Tiki was a 200lbs back, Orleans carries 218 lbs
Not picking up Darkwa is going to be Gettlemans 1st huge
mistake....If Barkley flops it will be an even bigger one
Had he kept Darkwa he would have had a very cheap insurnce policy against a potential Barkley failure.
I'm not even to get into the keeping Eli mistake...Davis Webb stands ready to correct that one
And LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 for his career. As did Marshall Faulk. Darkwa must be better than those guys too! But if you cant comprehend that, maybe you should like...leave.
Do you see how stupid you sound when you try and isolate a stat to project the career path of a player?
LT was a screen pass guy, as was Faulk
Jim Brown AVG 6.1 YPC for 9 seasons (I know Turner AVG 8.1 for a single year so dont bring it up).....he is generally regarded the best of all time- Jim Brown that is....and it wasnt for catching screens IT was for running through, over and around gangs of tacklers
Yup, 15-17 years old.
Just STOP! Youre getting killed!
if you cannot handle my posts IGNORE THEM
I hope Barkley is exactlty as advertised but I dont believe the gold jacket in advance of 1st contact theories
I'm not from Missouri but "SHOW ME!!!!!!"
Gee...I wonder why the Giants chose not to re-sign him and draft Saquon Barkley?
He would have been excellent spelling Barkley
Gallman can do that though...i get the move, just dont like it