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Barkley's penchant for boom or bust plays

BestFeature : 5/5/2018 12:59 pm
PFF had an article (linked below) about how Barkley is the type of guy that doesn't always take what's given to him and as a result while many of his plays are spectacular home runs, many of them are not very productive. This is likely due to both his style of running and a shitty OL. I know that Saquon himself mentioned taking what's given as an area of improvement. I know that a lot of people are happy about our time of possession potentially going up, but it doesn't seem like he's the ideal type of back for that goal.


Do you think that the Giants coaching staff can improve his play in this area and is it worth it if it'll limit his explosive plays?
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Toth029 : 5/5/2018 1:06 pm : link
Sure if related to same video but they did have their own rankings for Barkley and other Giants offensive guys. Turns out Evan Engram was the 67th best TE this past year. Maybe someone needs to remind DG the Gmen need a starting caliber TE.
RE: Not  
BestFeature : 5/5/2018 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13955389 Toth029 said:
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Sure if related to same video but they did have their own rankings for Barkley and other Giants offensive guys. Turns out Evan Engram was the 67th best TE this past year. Maybe someone needs to remind DG the Gmen need a starting caliber TE.


Yeah I saw, my guess it he wasn't super efficient in catches/targets but at some point when a player has the production Engram had you're being a contrarian and just trying to look smart.
I have no doubt that the coaches will . . . .  
TC : 5/5/2018 1:11 pm : link
polish even more some aspects of his game, patience with his blocking certainly being among them. But the one concern I had about his game was that from everything I've seen he dislikes contact and avoids it as much as possible, much as Tiki did for much of his career, and others, like Tony Dorsett. And I don't know that this is entirely a bad thing if it is their natural style and helps lengthen their career and increases their availability.

I have no doubt he'll play tougher in the NFL, because he really won't have as much of a choice. But I hope the coaches don't try to turn him into something he isn't either. Short yardage RB's are a lot cheaper and easier to find. You don't buy a Ferrari and hitch a plow to it.
Barkley  
Phil in LA : 5/5/2018 1:15 pm : link
has said he needs to clean that up.
The guy will get proper coaching  
UConn4523 : 5/5/2018 1:23 pm : link
couldn’t be worried about this any less. He was/is a kid trying to carry the offense because he had to. If this is his biggest problem than sign me up.
what UConn said  
bc4life : 5/5/2018 1:42 pm : link
Coaching and Stewart will be helpful as well.
partially related to the bad offensive line  
youtoo2 : 5/5/2018 1:50 pm : link
He did not get very good blocking at Penn State, faced 8 men in the box on every play geared to stop him. He constantly got hit behind the line of scrimmage.


He admitted in an interview he does this. I dont think he will have Reggie Bush syndrome. I think he is coachable and will quickly learn you just gotta go.
Now you tell us??  
Jimmy Googs : 5/5/2018 2:03 pm : link
where the hell were you with this last Wed night...
Well, we pretty used to the bust plays  
Gman11 : 5/5/2018 3:30 pm : link
by now. It's the boom plays we haven't seen for a while.
RE: what UConn said  
Aloha Alan : 5/5/2018 6:50 pm : link
In comment 13955422 bc4life said:
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Coaching and Stewart will be helpful as well.


I have personally said that before in different threads. Coaching and Jonathan Stewart will teach him to just take what the D gives you.

Thanks for reiterating that.
I saw this video  
Torn Tendon : 5/5/2018 9:12 pm : link
It would be interesting to see if Barkley learned from the mistakes in this game. The one by their own endzone is the only really bad decision I felt. The others, I can see what Barkley was trying to do. And another, the commentator assumes he didn't slip, when that's debatable.
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Torn Tendon : 5/5/2018 9:21 pm : link
In the one where he may have slipped, it looks like he was trying to use the ref to interfere with the defender's pursuit. Commentator doesn't notice that. Seems like a crafty thing to do to me.
Can’t wait for teams to sell out on stopping  
bradshaw44 : 5/5/2018 10:03 pm : link
Barkley. What oh what will Odell do???
He was the offensive threat on that team  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/6/2018 7:34 am : link
He was trying, against long odds, to make plays and win games.

He will be fine when he doesn't have to do everything himself.
I hope I am wrong wrong wrong  
Jay in Toronto : 5/6/2018 8:08 am : link
But I don't think he'll be the superstar everyone is expecting.
RE: Can’t wait for teams to sell out on stopping  
Ira : 5/6/2018 8:13 am : link
In comment 13955781 bradshaw44 said:
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Barkley. What oh what will Odell do???


Exactly. Defensives have been playing their safeties deep to help out with our receivers. Now they have to pick their poison. That's a bigger problem with Eli at qb, given his skill at reading defenses and changing the play at scrimmage to take advantage of that.
RE: I hope I am wrong wrong wrong  
BigBlueShock : 5/6/2018 8:32 am : link
In comment 13955895 Jay in Toronto said:
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But I don't think he'll be the superstar everyone is expecting.

Is there a reason for this? The guy is big, strong, fast, can catch the ball like a WR, very good blocker and has a great attitude. He literally has all the tools to be great.
Teams will need to game plan around him  
George from PA : 5/6/2018 8:54 am : link
Which really all the Giants need.....

With a half decent OL, a handful of playmakers...Eli will really need to suck.

This offense should shine...if DG fix OL.
RE: RE: I hope I am wrong wrong wrong  
Jay in Toronto : 5/6/2018 9:08 am : link
In comment 13955902 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13955895 Jay in Toronto said:


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But I don't think he'll be the superstar everyone is expecting.


Is there a reason for this? The guy is big, strong, fast, can catch the ball like a WR, very good blocker and has a great attitude. He literally has all the tools to be great.


It's interesting that the two NY teams have selected potential stars that did not live up to the expectations going into their final seasons.

It's true that there could be extraneous reasons (poor line, teams keying on him etc.)

Related to the issue in the OP, it is a bit of a caution to me. I have no doubt that he will be a new weapon. I am just a bit cautious about his ultimate ceiling.
Barkley  
crick n NC : 5/6/2018 9:26 am : link
Should make defenses stay honest with his home run ability. Although he'll have to prove it at this level before the team can fully reap the benefits of his style.
If he does not have patience and wait for the hole to open  
BluesCruise : 5/6/2018 9:53 am : link
He will be useless to us except as a Pass Receiver

This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains

Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki

If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster
I would think  
crick n NC : 5/6/2018 10:17 am : link
Between the tackles will be softer because of his ability to bounce outside
RE: If he does not have patience and wait for the hole to open  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/6/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13955940 BluesCruise said:
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If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster


"All he does is catch touchdowns."
RE: If he does not have patience and wait for the hole to open  
Klaatu : 5/6/2018 10:34 am : link
In comment 13955940 BluesCruise said:
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He will be useless to us except as a Pass Receiver

This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains

Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki

If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster


Putting Orleans Darkwa in the same sentence with Tiki Barber is as pigheaded as most of your posts.

Anyway, this is where a guy like Johnathan Stewart can come in handy, as a mentor, a guide, and an assistant of sorts to Coach Johnson.
RE: RE: If he does not have patience and wait for the hole to open  
BluesCruise : 5/6/2018 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13955962 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13955940 BluesCruise said:


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He will be useless to us except as a Pass Receiver

i love the puuting the guy in the same sentence arguments

again you missed the point. RBs need to move the chains, passing is more suited to long gains, but you cannot mount a consistent march down the field if you do not have a patient back who can move the chains

agreed if there is no hole or a run blitz you cant do anything but pass

This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains

Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki

If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster



Putting Orleans Darkwa in the same sentence with Tiki Barber is as pigheaded as most of your posts.

Anyway, this is where a guy like Johnathan Stewart can come in handy, as a mentor, a guide, and an assistant of sorts to Coach Johnson.
See him as devastating, after the catch, reciever  
TMS : 5/6/2018 5:15 pm : link
more than a bang it out RB. Get him in space with screens and short passes and 'take it to the house" is in play every time he gets the ball. He will be doubled along with a healthy OBJ. Shepard and Engram will eat their lunch with single coverage. DG get us Ol and we will be ready to roll. MO
RE: If he does not have patience and wait for the hole to open  
Alex_Webster : 5/6/2018 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13955940 BluesCruise said:
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He will be useless to us except as a Pass Receiver

This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains

Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki

If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster



Darkwa can't hold Tiki's Jock strap.
RE: RE: RE: If he does not have patience and wait for the hole to open  
Klaatu : 5/6/2018 6:26 pm : link
In comment 13956160 BluesCruise said:
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In comment 13955962 Klaatu said:


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In comment 13955940 BluesCruise said:


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He will be useless to us except as a Pass Receiver

i love the puuting the guy in the same sentence arguments

again you missed the point. RBs need to move the chains, passing is more suited to long gains, but you cannot mount a consistent march down the field if you do not have a patient back who can move the chains

agreed if there is no hole or a run blitz you cant do anything but pass

This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains

Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki

If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster



Putting Orleans Darkwa in the same sentence with Tiki Barber is as pigheaded as most of your posts.

Anyway, this is where a guy like Johnathan Stewart can come in handy, as a mentor, a guide, and an assistant of sorts to Coach Johnson.



More pigheadedness from the Sultan of the Sty.

An efficient offense moves the chains. It doesn't matter if that's done by running the ball or throwing it.

It may be a pass-first league, but it's certainly not a let's not run at all, league, or a we can get by with the still-unsigned Orleans Darkwa league.

The Giants are making a concerted effort to revitalize a running game that has been dreadful for way, way, WAY too long. Barkley in the first and Hernandez in the second is proof of that. An effective running game opens the door for a more effective passing game in a variety of ways. not the least of which is plwy-action passing, in which Eli has excelled in the past. Even in 2011, when the Giants' could barely run the ball for love or money, they stayed committed to it and kept opposing defenses guessing.

But, let's face it, you don't give a shit about any of that because you think Eli is cooked and the Giants should have drafted a QB in the first round. Everything else you say is just so much smoke.
RE: If he does not have patience and wait for the hole to open  
UConn4523 : 5/6/2018 6:48 pm : link
In comment 13955940 BluesCruise said:
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He will be useless to us except as a Pass Receiver

This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains

Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki

If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster


Your continued lack of understanding is actually impressive. Is LeVeon Bells job just to move the chains? Gurley? Johnson? Kamara? It isn’t 1990, quit acting like it.

The league is still a passing league but having a RB that “just moves the chains” between the tackles is something teams no longer want to settle with. There’s a reason Bell wants to be paid like a WR...because he basically is one. This myth you spew on every thread about running backs couldn’t be more wrong.
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chopperhatch : 5/6/2018 6:50 pm : link
In comment 13956160 BluesCruise said:
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In comment 13955962 Klaatu said:


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In comment 13955940 BluesCruise said:


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He will be useless to us except as a Pass Receiver

i love the puuting the guy in the same sentence arguments

again you missed the point. RBs need to move the chains, passing is more suited to long gains, but you cannot mount a consistent march down the field if you do not have a patient back who can move the chains

agreed if there is no hole or a run blitz you cant do anything but pass

This is a pass 1st league and the RBs job is to move the chains

Darkwa was such a back, as was Tiki

If this guy is just a home run hitter this pick will be a disaster



Putting Orleans Darkwa in the same sentence with Tiki Barber is as pigheaded as most of your posts.

Anyway, this is where a guy like Johnathan Stewart can come in handy, as a mentor, a guide, and an assistant of sorts to Coach Johnson.



You really do suck. To echo Klaatu, Darkwa in the same breath as Tiki? You do know how much more durable Tiki was post 2000 dont you?

Just awful stuff from you post after post. Have you seen anybody appreciate what you post? You are horrendous. You must be a kid. 16-25?
Sorry if you dont realize the RB keeps the drive alive  
BluesCruise : 5/6/2018 7:52 pm : link
When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB

A RB in that same situation has a much greater chance of sustaining the drive

If you do not understand any of this move on to a post you like....understand

I was not comparing Tiki and Darkwa's careers but they botht had a knack for picking up tough yards
You said a RBs job is to move the chains  
UConn4523 : 5/6/2018 7:59 pm : link
like it’s some unknown task. No shit their job is to pick up short yardage when needed, that’s the the bare minimum. Keep bringing the hard hitting analysis.
RE: Sorry if you dont realize the RB keeps the drive alive  
chopperhatch : 5/6/2018 8:07 pm : link
In comment 13956372 BluesCruise said:
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When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB

A RB in that same situation has a much greater chance of sustaining the drive

If you do not understand any of this move on to a post you like....understand

I was not comparing Tiki and Darkwa's careers but they botht had a knack for picking up tough yards


Youre telling ME to move on for lack of understanding? Youre the dipshit who cant see that EVERYONE on EVERY THREAD thinks youre wrong. Yet you continue.

You DO realize that this thing you wrote: When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB

.....is just as pointless and dumb as you associating Orleans fucking Darkwa.

I love how you claim that your concepts and posts are beyond me and others who have been posting on this site for a decade or more, yet you signed up last month and have it all figured out. Youve gotta be some 17-20 year old who associates his Madden franchise with NFL logic.

Your handle is lame too.
you seem like an very angry person  
BluesCruise : 5/6/2018 8:44 pm : link
I hope you can find peace

Perhaps you should ignore my posts...I doubt you will ever understand them
Tiki Avg 4.7 YPC for his career  
BluesCruise : 5/6/2018 8:52 pm : link
Orleans in 2017 (his 1st big sample size) Avg 4.4 YPC behind a horrific Oline

Lets see what Barkley averages....that number is not yet in

Both Tiki and Orleans ran with power and could find the crease.....Tiki was 5 ft 11 and so is Orleans

Tiki was a 200lbs back, Orleans carries 218 lbs

Not picking up Darkwa is going to be Gettlemans 1st huge
mistake....If Barkley flops it will be an even bigger one

Had he kept Darkwa he would have had a very cheap insurnce policy against a potential Barkley failure.

I'm not even to get into the keeping Eli mistake...Davis Webb stands ready to correct that one
Not long ago people were raving about Perkins  
BluesCruise : 5/6/2018 8:57 pm : link
college highlight reel and amazing athletism in College

How did that one turn out?

He cannot find the crease and lacks disipline as a RB in the NFL....goes down like shot with a buffalo rifle when touched

In college, he got away with it.
RE: you seem like an very angry person  
chopperhatch : 5/6/2018 8:57 pm : link
In comment 13956385 BluesCruise said:
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I hope you can find peace

Perhaps you should ignore my posts...I doubt you will ever understand them


Not angry at all. My posts reflect my frustration with new posters like yourself coming on this board, with horse shit theories and injecting them into every thread. Ignoring you would suffice and I do that with some posters. But you post too much to allow for that. I also find it hilarious that you continue this narrative of having this vastly superior grasp of this game to the extent that I cant comprehend what you are getting at. I get it, I just think its dumb and so do many many other people.

The only reason I respond so fiercely is because this website is a place where great football talk used to happen all the time. It has now become a rarity thanks to chubs like you. If you would just back off and post quality, thought provoking things, you would see myself and others respond. But you chose to saturate this site with your blather and here we are.
RE: Sorry if you dont realize the RB keeps the drive alive  
Klaatu : 5/6/2018 9:01 pm : link
In comment 13956372 BluesCruise said:
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When Defenders realize you need 3 yds on 3rd and 3 they can easily defend the 1st down if not pick ito r sack the QB

A RB in that same situation has a much greater chance of sustaining the drive

If you do not understand any of this move on to a post you like....understand

I was not comparing Tiki and Darkwa's careers but they botht had a knack for picking up tough yards


Now I see your point. It matches the one on your head.

An RB's primary job is to run the ball. The situation may vary, down and distance may vary, but when he takes the handoff or the pitch, he runs with the ball, as fast and as far as he can. If it's 3rd and three and he picks up four yards, he doesn't stop and say, Well, I got the first down. My job is done. An RB that can pick up a tough yard or two is nice to have, but an RB that's a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball - in addition to getting the tough yards - is an even better thing to have.

An RB may also be called upon to block, to pick up the blitz, or to catch a pass, either by design or as a safety valve. If he does those jobs well, he can also help an offense to be more efficient. And, once again, it's the offense as a whole that is paramount. You might want to look up the term "force multiplier," because I figure that's what the Giants envision Barkley to be for them, and why they invested the second pick in the draft on him.

But no, you'd be content with that latter-day Jim Brown, Orleans Darkwa. What a joke.
RE: Tiki Avg 4.7 YPC for his career  
chopperhatch : 5/6/2018 9:02 pm : link
In comment 13956392 BluesCruise said:
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Orleans in 2017 (his 1st big sample size) Avg 4.4 YPC behind a horrific Oline

Lets see what Barkley averages....that number is not yet in

Both Tiki and Orleans ran with power and could find the crease.....Tiki was 5 ft 11 and so is Orleans

Tiki was a 200lbs back, Orleans carries 218 lbs

Not picking up Darkwa is going to be Gettlemans 1st huge
mistake....If Barkley flops it will be an even bigger one

Had he kept Darkwa he would have had a very cheap insurnce policy against a potential Barkley failure.

I'm not even to get into the keeping Eli mistake...Davis Webb stands ready to correct that one


And LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 for his career. As did Marshall Faulk. Darkwa must be better than those guys too! But if you cant comprehend that, maybe you should like...leave.


Do you see how stupid you sound when you try and isolate a stat to project the career path of a player?
BluesCruise must be Darkwa's mother  
BestFeature : 5/6/2018 9:03 pm : link
.
this MB like most carries an inner core of clueless  
BluesCruise : 5/6/2018 9:04 pm : link
who parrot each other "popular" theories, and blind loyalties (ie. Coughlin and Eli forever- my team my team uber alles)

when someone who disagrees comes along they just cannot handle it

How dare someone not agree with their "popular" notions

When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues....forgive me for pointing out some of them...go back to the "herd" and find others who will console you with agreement

stop wasting my time...please
Emmitt Smith and Thurman Thomas  
chopperhatch : 5/6/2018 9:05 pm : link
Each averaged 4.3. Barry Sanders 4.2. Marcus Allen 4.1.

Wow this argument backfired.

What an asshole.
RE: this MB like most carries an inner core of clueless  
chopperhatch : 5/6/2018 9:06 pm : link
In comment 13956400 BluesCruise said:
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who parrot each other "popular" theories, and blind loyalties (ie. Coughlin and Eli forever- my team my team uber alles)

when someone who disagrees comes along they just cannot handle it

How dare someone not agree with their "popular" notions

When your team goes 3-13, there are huge issues....forgive me for pointing out some of them...go back to the "herd" and find others who will console you with agreement

stop wasting my time...please



Bahahahahahaha! Youre fucking priceless. Dont you have school tomorrow?
RE: RE: Tiki Avg 4.7 YPC for his career  
BluesCruise : 5/6/2018 9:09 pm : link
In comment 13956398 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13956392 BluesCruise said:


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Orleans in 2017 (his 1st big sample size) Avg 4.4 YPC behind a horrific Oline

Lets see what Barkley averages....that number is not yet in

Both Tiki and Orleans ran with power and could find the crease.....Tiki was 5 ft 11 and so is Orleans

Tiki was a 200lbs back, Orleans carries 218 lbs

Not picking up Darkwa is going to be Gettlemans 1st huge
mistake....If Barkley flops it will be an even bigger one

Had he kept Darkwa he would have had a very cheap insurnce policy against a potential Barkley failure.

I'm not even to get into the keeping Eli mistake...Davis Webb stands ready to correct that one



And LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 for his career. As did Marshall Faulk. Darkwa must be better than those guys too! But if you cant comprehend that, maybe you should like...leave.


Do you see how stupid you sound when you try and isolate a stat to project the career path of a player?


LT was a screen pass guy, as was Faulk
Jim Brown AVG 6.1 YPC for 9 seasons (I know Turner AVG 8.1 for a single year so dont bring it up).....he is generally regarded the best of all time- Jim Brown that is....and it wasnt for catching screens IT was for running through, over and around gangs of tacklers
RE: RE: RE: Tiki Avg 4.7 YPC for his career  
chopperhatch : 5/6/2018 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13956406 BluesCruise said:
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In comment 13956398 chopperhatch said:


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In comment 13956392 BluesCruise said:


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Orleans in 2017 (his 1st big sample size) Avg 4.4 YPC behind a horrific Oline

Lets see what Barkley averages....that number is not yet in

Both Tiki and Orleans ran with power and could find the crease.....Tiki was 5 ft 11 and so is Orleans

Tiki was a 200lbs back, Orleans carries 218 lbs

Not picking up Darkwa is going to be Gettlemans 1st huge
mistake....If Barkley flops it will be an even bigger one

Had he kept Darkwa he would have had a very cheap insurnce policy against a potential Barkley failure.

I'm not even to get into the keeping Eli mistake...Davis Webb stands ready to correct that one



And LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 for his career. As did Marshall Faulk. Darkwa must be better than those guys too! But if you cant comprehend that, maybe you should like...leave.


Do you see how stupid you sound when you try and isolate a stat to project the career path of a player?



LT was a screen pass guy, as was Faulk
Jim Brown AVG 6.1 YPC for 9 seasons (I know Turner AVG 8.1 for a single year so dont bring it up).....he is generally regarded the best of all time- Jim Brown that is....and it wasnt for catching screens IT was for running through, over and around gangs of tacklers


Yup, 15-17 years old.
"A screen pass guy"  
chopperhatch : 5/6/2018 9:12 pm : link
Who each rushed for 13k yards. LDT had 8 consecutive 1000 yd seasons. How is he "a screen passguy?"


Just STOP! Youre getting killed!
You guys cannot handle criticism  
BluesCruise : 5/6/2018 9:15 pm : link
drives you all into making juvenile age discrimination and "my dad can beat up your dad" idiocity

if you cannot handle my posts IGNORE THEM

I hope Barkley is exactlty as advertised but I dont believe the gold jacket in advance of 1st contact theories

I'm not from Missouri but "SHOW ME!!!!!!"
The Great Orleans Darkwa...  
Klaatu : 5/6/2018 9:18 pm : link
Had a 75-yard run against the Redskins in the last regular season game of 2017, the longest run of his illustrious career by about 30 yards. Funny thing, though. Take away that run, and his ypc for the year drops to 3.9. Take away that game (and his 7.7 ypc) and it drops to 3.5.

Gee...I wonder why the Giants chose not to re-sign him and draft Saquon Barkley?
If Barkley turns out to be another Tiki Barber,  
GeofromNJ : 5/6/2018 9:19 pm : link
I will be absolutely delighted. Once Tiki solved his fumbling issue, he was one the best, if not the best, running backs in the league. True, Tiki didn't break a lot of tackles, and I don't expect Barkley to break a lot of tackles. But Tiki was a superior pass blocker and he was adept at both following his blockers and sensing when he had to improvise. If Barkley can pass block like Tiki and not attempt to improvise every play, he will have deserved his draft slot.
Darkwa's problem was not production  
BluesCruise : 5/6/2018 9:20 pm : link
He got injured too often to rely on him

He would have been excellent spelling Barkley

Gallman can do that though...i get the move, just dont like it
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