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What kind of 3-4 Scheme does Betcher run?

youtoo2 : 5/5/2018 1:22 pm
I have some more technical football related questions.
I know his schemes will change to adapt to the talent with the Giants. Just curious what he does.


1. He runs a 1 gap scheme right? That does include the nose tackle? Most nose tackles I think are 2 gap schemes.

2. Was snacks a two gap NT with the Jets?

3. Betcher is mostly a zone cover guy right? Is it a bend but not break cover like the Giants ran in the 1980s? soft zone?

4. Isn't Jenkins at his best as a cover corner?

5. I remember reading that Betcher likes to blitz? Is there any specific types of blitz or stunts that he likes? The Giants really only have 1 Pass rusher (Olivier Vernon). So I think they need to blitz right?

6. What type of run scheme and sub packages has Betcher run?

7. What else has Betcher been known for that is unique?

Youtoo2  
EddieNYG : 5/5/2018 1:27 pm : link
You should read this.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Youtoo2  
chopperhatch : 5/5/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13955409 EddieNYG said:
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You should read this. Link - ( New Window )


That was great. Thanks Eddie. Lots to be excited about with is coaching staff.
that's need to know stuff...  
BCD : 5/5/2018 2:06 pm : link
good job Eddie!!!!
I would differentiate  
idiotsavant : 5/5/2018 3:00 pm : link
Looking at our big olbs you can consider that they can attack through the line without the designed in 'unnacounted for (no blocker) ' type situation.

To me that's a pass rush but not necessarily a blitz.. it's more an attacking situation and a constant reconfiguration of the DL'+' 1 or 2.

So, I expect a lot of that, and vs run as well as vs pass, both at once, being not reactive within the down, it's extra bodies across the line as the snap happens.

That said, he will probably 'blitz' as well (to me a blitz is an unnacounted for, no blocker avaiable hopefully, pass rusher. ILB in this case maybe, S, corner) that is also by design but so as not have a blocker, if possible, in which case it may be paired with two gapping at nose to free up a lb to drop to switch w / cover for the blitzing pass defender.
If somebody would list all the vatrious possible DL + 2  
idiotsavant : 5/5/2018 3:11 pm : link
Configurations with 3 one gapping DLs, and

Comparatively list

all those possible variations when you add even a single DL capable of both one or two gapping.

You would see an -exponential-increase in the possible number of variations with even a single the one OR two gapper NT type.

Not that you would use or even practice all possible ways but having the NT would allow you to access a few that suit your particular tools and situation very nicely that one wouldn't have with up to five potentail but all one gappers.

It's easy to see that the presence of even a single player who -might- two gap greatly increases the likelihood that one of your possibe -other or remaining- 4 gets through completely untouched.
Great link Eddie ...  
short lease : 5/5/2018 5:49 pm : link

"The Giants have a new defensive coordinator in James Bettcher. He was a very creative and aggressive coach when he ran the Cardinalsí multiple formation scheme. According to Pro Football Focus, last season he blitzed 37% of the time, the fifth-highest rate in the league. He was over 40% the prior two seasons (47% in 2015), and had the highest blitz rate those years.

When you blitz at such a high rate, faking pressure can become a big part of your defensive package. You might speed up a quarterback or influence an offensive call if they think youíre blitzing. If the offense is set up to counter a blitz that never comes, it gives the defense a great advantage."


If nothing else, 2018 will look like something that we have not seen in a while - Fresh, Shiny, and New. Now, will that translate into wins? - lets hope so.
Betcher plays a modern 3-4  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/6/2018 8:49 am : link
Good hire compared to obsolescent Fewell Tampa 2 and god awful rehash Spags attacking 4-3.
Just remember listening to Patrick Peterson  
Rflairr : 5/6/2018 10:33 am : link
On WFAN after he was hired and talking about how important it is that your CBs can play press man coverage in his system, and canít believe they wonít bring back DRC. I donít get that. They have the cap space
RE: Just remember listening to Patrick Peterson  
Steve in South Jersey : 5/6/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13955961 Rflairr said:
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On WFAN after he was hired and talking about how important it is that your CBs can play press man coverage in his system, and canít believe they wonít bring back DRC. I donít get that. They have the cap space


Why would DRC want to come back for less money? Probably gets a better offer from a better team.
RE: Just remember listening to Patrick Peterson  
Klaatu : 5/6/2018 11:09 am : link
In comment 13955961 Rflairr said:
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On WFAN after he was hired and talking about how important it is that your CBs can play press man coverage in his system, and canít believe they wonít bring back DRC. I donít get that. They have the cap space


Because DRC is a shell of his former self, and is also not emblematic of the type of culture the team is trying to build.

If it turns out that the secondary is the weakest link on the defense (which seems likely), no doubt shoring it up will be a priority next off-season. This year, clearly, Gettleman was more concerned with fortifying the trenches.
Really looking forward to the betch  
idiotsavant : 5/7/2018 8:30 am : link
Seems like an aggressive creative and practical football coach.

However it actually works!
I listened to his press conference and I was very impressed  
BestFeature : 5/7/2018 8:41 am : link
Good communicator. A bit ra ra, but we know he has substance as a coordinator.
Shmelk has a thing on giants .com  
idiotsavant : 5/7/2018 9:02 am : link
On this.

For example.

A front that is 2 legit DTs, 3lbs (two are the 4/3 de slash big olb variety one a safety lb variety) and a true safety are on the line. So that's 6 pre snap.

Who drops, who covers or who attacks is unknown until snap.. then he blitzed a db.

Being that so many pieces are multi positional it's hard to discuss using the old positional language.

Even the big DTs are multi positional in that you might have what appears to be a classic two gapper attacking single gap lined up shade one side...and a safety in the other side / gap as in the example... Pre snap.

- So, here you can see that whereas even the two gap style player is usually attacking a single gap in this system, -if- that safety drops back or runs down after a RB or TE then that two gapper DT simply reverts to form and defends that gap also. On this particular play.

All as set pieces.
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