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giantsFC : 5/5/2018 11:06 pm
Just discussing w one of my friends after we watched this latest fail.

If the Mets are supposedly more cautious and In- tune w injuries then why are they letting their best player pitch w a questionable elbow? Questionable enough where he canít swing a bat?

Ugh. They never make sensical decisions. Such a good start wiped away in such a short time.
If a tree falls in the forest  
Shecky : 5/5/2018 11:35 pm : link
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Now deGrom is going on DL  
Rflairr : 5/6/2018 10:46 am : link
lol
Great doctors  
spike : 5/6/2018 10:49 am : link
Only the best
RE: Now deGrom is going on DL  
PhiPsi125 : 5/6/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 13955972 Rflairr said:
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lol


Haha, right out of the Mets playbook. Their only play that consistently gets executed perfectly.

ďPlayer is fine, no injury showed up in the procedure, will make next startĒ - two days later, Player is put on the DL - a week later, Player is having surgery and out indefinitely.
RE: Now deGrom is going on DL  
giantsFC : 5/6/2018 11:06 am : link
In comment 13955972 Rflairr said:
[quote] lol [/quote

At least they are playing it smart

Or is this just typical met medical? Next eeek we find out itís a torn UCL or fracture dislocation
Well they made it to May 6 before you can say  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 5/6/2018 11:07 am : link
Must End The Season.
The diagnosis didnít change  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/6/2018 2:05 pm : link
Heís still cleared to pitch. They elected to skip a start just to be extra cautious.
Dunn  
Shecky : 5/6/2018 2:05 pm : link
Dunn Dunn Dunn dunnnnnnnnn
Are the mets really going to start  
Metnut : 5/6/2018 2:25 pm : link
a guy with an almost 7 ERA in AAA over Gsellmen or Lugo? What happened to merit? Once you get buried with this team thereís no way back it seems!
RE: Dunn  
Mike in NY : 5/6/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13956097 Shecky said:
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Dunn Dunn Dunn dunnnnnnnnn


We are calling up Justin Dunn?
RE: Are the mets really going to start  
Mike in NY : 5/6/2018 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13956108 Metnut said:
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a guy with an almost 7 ERA in AAA over Gsellmen or Lugo? What happened to merit? Once you get buried with this team thereís no way back it seems!


Both Gsellman and Lugo have been used out of the bullpen recently so there may be a question as to length. If it were me I would plan on piggybacking one of them with our expected starter with the idea that one will replace deGrom in 5 days if he has to miss a second start
RE: Are the mets really going to start  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/6/2018 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13956108 Metnut said:
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a guy with an almost 7 ERA in AAA over Gsellmen or Lugo? What happened to merit? Once you get buried with this team thereís no way back it seems!

What Mike said. When youíve only been pitching 1-2 innings at a time, you need to be stretched out gradually. Iím certain if a starter goes down for a extended period they will do that with Lugo or Gsellman.
Canít wait for the famous ďplayers only meetingĒ to take place.  
PhiPsi125 : 5/6/2018 4:34 pm : link
This team is fín lost.
Clearly  
Ron Johnson : 5/6/2018 4:54 pm : link
terry Collins has to go
.  
arcarsenal : 5/6/2018 5:04 pm : link
Exactly what I expected this year.

This franchise is fucking rotten. This is the point where everyone starts getting hurt too.

Collins is gone now too, so weíll have to find someone else to blame.
Had really high hopes that Mickey would remove the annual  
PhiPsi125 : 5/6/2018 5:11 pm : link
stench that is the NY Mets. Way too early to get on Mickey but that awful stench remains. If anything, I at least thought that the pitching would remain a strength. This team always seems to get the worst out of their players. For once, it would be nice for one of their top prospects to come out and produce like they should. Maybe itís too much to ask but a lot of other teams seem to get that out of their top prospects.
i dont follow the Mets but  
UESBLUE : 5/6/2018 5:14 pm : link
I seem to recall a few yrs ago they had a player who had a hammy issue and they actually let him go out and "test it" during a game and of course he tore it. I was astonished something like that could happen in a prof org.
Shouldve kept Harvey  
spike : 5/6/2018 5:24 pm : link
For a spot start

Short sighted org
What makes matters worse  
Earl the goat : 5/6/2018 6:27 pm : link
Is that the Braves and Phillies are going in the right direction and we are not
RE: Shouldve kept Harvey  
Ron from Ninerland : 5/6/2018 6:42 pm : link
In comment 13956290 spike said:
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For a spot start

Short sighted org
Amen. The disgraceful way the Mets have treated Harvey never would have happened on the Yankees, and the Yankees have had to deal with plenty of bad pitchers. Do the names Pineda, Eovaldi and Capuano ring a bell ? They're gone once we got better pitchers, but they were never subject to the derision and humiliation that Harvey has. It would be OK to drop Harvey from the rotation if they had 5 guys who were better than he was. Obviously thats not the case. But the Mets thought the best way to deal with him was to rub his nose in shit, then leak some story about him being in a nightclub. Then they DFA'd a guy who still throws 95. Another thing the Yankees would never do is endanger the health of one of their pitchers as the Mets previously did with Harvey and are now attempting to do with DeGrom.

Now the whole team is rolling over and playing dead. Gee, I wonder if the way they treat their players has anything to do with it ?
RE: RE: Shouldve kept Harvey  
McNally's_Nuts : 5/6/2018 6:48 pm : link
In comment 13956331 Ron from Ninerland said:
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In comment 13956290 spike said:


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For a spot start

Short sighted org

Amen. The disgraceful way the Mets have treated Harvey never would have happened on the Yankees, and the Yankees have had to deal with plenty of bad pitchers. Do the names Pineda, Eovaldi and Capuano ring a bell ? They're gone once we got better pitchers, but they were never subject to the derision and humiliation that Harvey has. It would be OK to drop Harvey from the rotation if they had 5 guys who were better than he was. Obviously thats not the case. But the Mets thought the best way to deal with him was to rub his nose in shit, then leak some story about him being in a nightclub. Then they DFA'd a guy who still throws 95. Another thing the Yankees would never do is endanger the health of one of their pitchers as the Mets previously did with Harvey and are now attempting to do with DeGrom.

Now the whole team is rolling over and playing dead. Gee, I wonder if the way they treat their players has anything to do with it ?



Is this a serious post?

Matt Harvey has been a headache since his Tommy John surgery and heís been awful for 3 years now. The Mets owe him shit and heís brought this all on himself.
RE: RE: Shouldve kept Harvey  
arcarsenal : 5/6/2018 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13956331 Ron from Ninerland said:
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In comment 13956290 spike said:


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For a spot start

Short sighted org

Amen. The disgraceful way the Mets have treated Harvey never would have happened on the Yankees, and the Yankees have had to deal with plenty of bad pitchers. Do the names Pineda, Eovaldi and Capuano ring a bell ? They're gone once we got better pitchers, but they were never subject to the derision and humiliation that Harvey has. It would be OK to drop Harvey from the rotation if they had 5 guys who were better than he was. Obviously thats not the case. But the Mets thought the best way to deal with him was to rub his nose in shit, then leak some story about him being in a nightclub. Then they DFA'd a guy who still throws 95. Another thing the Yankees would never do is endanger the health of one of their pitchers as the Mets previously did with Harvey and are now attempting to do with DeGrom.

Now the whole team is rolling over and playing dead. Gee, I wonder if the way they treat their players has anything to do with it ?


The Mets deserve blame for a lot of things. But this post is just so far off base that thereís no point in even addressing it any further. Youíre clueless.
Scary thing  
giantsFC : 5/6/2018 9:15 pm : link
Is that the Mets have almost nothing in the minors to get a future going.

If the team doesnít pick it up soon, I sadly am resigned to the fact they need to trade everyone of value and aim for 2025 like the braves and Phillies have done the past 5-7 years.

But then again mets prospects always suck, so then itís time to go full Yankees (or Steve Phillips) and buy a stud team. Something they have not done in 15 years
RE: Scary thing  
Mr. Bungle : 5/6/2018 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13956410 giantsFC said:
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Is that the Mets have almost nothing in the minors to get a future going.

If the team doesnít pick it up soon, I sadly am resigned to the fact they need to trade everyone of value and aim for 2025 like the braves and Phillies have done the past 5-7 years.

But then again mets prospects always suck, so then itís time to go full Yankees (or Steve Phillips) and buy a stud team. Something they have not done in 15 years

The Yankees didn't "buy" their 96-00 teams, and they haven't "bought" this current team, either.

When the Yankees did go free-agent-crazy, they didn't win championships. You don't want to go down that path.
Their farm system  
spike : 5/6/2018 10:29 pm : link
is not adapt at developing young talents.

They are not drafting well nor developing them well. It is incredible.
RE: RE: Scary thing  
Greg from LI : 5/6/2018 10:57 pm : link
In comment 13956448 Mr. Bungle said:
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When the Yankees did go free-agent-crazy, they didn't win championships. You don't want to go down that path.


Well, they did win one title in that era, 2009, when they signed CC and Burnett and Teixeira, plus they had Damon as a big money FA from a few years earlier and Matsui from Japan.

Funny thing about 1996 is, I think the highest paid free agent on that team was Kenny Rogers, and he was unbelievably bad as a Yankee.
RE: RE: Scary thing  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/6/2018 11:12 pm : link
In comment 13956448 Mr. Bungle said:
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The Yankees didn't "buy" their 96-00 teams, and they haven't "bought" this current team, either.
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Thatís such a myth. Yes, they had the core four. But they had the highest payroll of the era because they bought most of the rest of team. The rotation especially outside of Pettitte: Cone, Wells, Clemens, Duque, Irabu and more.
RE: RE: RE: Scary thing  
Mr. Bungle : 5/6/2018 11:58 pm : link
In comment 13956476 Jim in Fairfax said:
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In comment 13956448 Mr. Bungle said:


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The Yankees didn't "buy" their 96-00 teams, and they haven't "bought" this current team, either.
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Thatís such a myth. Yes, they had the core four. But they had the highest payroll of the era because they bought most of the rest of team. The rotation especially outside of Pettitte: Cone, Wells, Clemens, Duque, Irabu and more.

The myth is that they bought their way to champipnships without developing their talent. Complete myth.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Scary thing  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/7/2018 12:28 am : link
In comment 13956484 Mr. Bungle said:
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The myth is that they bought their way to champipnships without developing their talent. Complete myth.

Well reasoned argument.
RE: Scary thing  
gmenatlarge : 5/7/2018 6:44 am : link
In comment 13956410 giantsFC said:
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Is that the Mets have almost nothing in the minors to get a future going.

If the team doesnít pick it up soon, I sadly am resigned to the fact they need to trade everyone of value and aim for 2025 like the braves and Phillies have done the past 5-7 years.

But then again mets prospects always suck, so then itís time to go full Yankees (or Steve Phillips) and buy a stud team. Something they have not done in 15 years


The only players of "value" they have are Syndergaard and DeGrom, after that who is worth a trade besides Cespedes who has a no-trade? (Of course he may be ready to waive that to go to a contender.) The future for the mets looks bleak and the Wilponzis will not sign any more free agents.
It's still early but maybe they should consider...  
Drewcon40 : 5/7/2018 8:26 am : link
moving the valuable pieces.

Hey everyone, it's been a long time since I posted but I have been lurking and share the frustrations of the Mets. I actually was 12 in 1986 so I do remember this team having success (yes the math equals I am an old man).

I read a lot of this board to follow the minors and this would be risky but if they do not pick it up by Memorial Day, is it time to consider moving our better players, under team control for the future? (this is off topic from the O.P)

The gentleman above that was criticizing the Mets for the treatment of deGrom. Maybe it's me just being a hopeless fan because it's all I have. The Mets, historically as an organization, have their flaws but this is a new medical staff, along with a new coaching staff. I hope they are making the best decisions. I'll give them a chance. (Pulling Cespedes from the game yesterday, making the decision on deGrom).

RE: RE: RE: Scary thing  
gmenatlarge : 5/7/2018 9:14 am : link
In comment 13956468 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13956448 Mr. Bungle said:


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When the Yankees did go free-agent-crazy, they didn't win championships. You don't want to go down that path.



Well, they did win one title in that era, 2009, when they signed CC and Burnett and Teixeira, plus they had Damon as a big money FA from a few years earlier and Matsui from Japan.

Funny thing about 1996 is, I think the highest paid free agent on that team was Kenny Rogers, and he was unbelievably bad as a Yankee.


Tino Martinez...
Tino wasn't a free agent  
Greg from LI : 5/7/2018 9:52 am : link
They picked him up along with Jeff Nelson in exchange for Russ Davis and Sterling Hitchcock. Same with most of the other pitchers from that era that someone mentioned earlier: Cone was acquired in a trade with Toronto for minor league pitchers. Clemens was acquired for Wells, Graeme Lloyd, and Homer Bush. Irabu was acquired for Ruben Rivera (who was an elite prospect at the time). Yes, Wells was a free agent signing, but not exactly a sought-after one. He was 34, had a reputation as a malcontent, and was coming off a lousy year in Baltimore. He was hardly a can't-miss signing. El Duque, ok, but no one knew if he'd be any good. They signed Contreras a few years later to much fanfare and he was terrible.

Using the '98 team as an example, most of the roster either came out of the system or was acquired in a trade:

Posada - system
Tino - trade
Knoblauch - trade
Jeter - system
Brosius - trade
Curtis - trade
Bernie - system
O'Neill - trade
Raines - trade
Strawberry - free agent that no other team would touch
Girardi - free agent
Sojo - claimed off waivers
Ledee - system
Davis - free agent

Pettitte - system
Cone - trade
Wells - free agent
Irabu - trade
Duque - free agent
Rivera - system
Mendoza - system
Nelson - trade
Lloyd - trade
Stanton - free agent
Holmes - free agent
Buddie - system


So that's everyone with at least 100 PAs or 35 IP. 10 via trade, 8 from the Yankees farm system, 7 free agents, one waiver claim. The one big benefit to the Yankees' financial muscle in the dynasty years was that it allowed them to keep their homegrown stars.
I'm not saying anyone bought anything  
pjcas18 : 5/7/2018 10:04 am : link
but some of your list is a little bit disingenuous.

Sure, Cone was acquired via trade, but he was a free agent and they resigned him.

I remember meeting Cone in New haven at a bar in between the 1995 and 1996 seasons and he wasn't sure where he'd end up, since he felt like the Yankees would only keep one of him or Black Jack McDowell. He made it pretty clear and in a not subtle way that he'd go to the highest bidder.

So, sure maybe some of the other players got to NY via trade, but their vast financial resources allowed them to keep them, in addition to home grown players.

And anyone could have done it, so I'm in no way saying it as an indictment, just it is what it is.

Go to a Met thread,  
Section331 : 5/7/2018 10:06 am : link
and a Yankee thread breaks out! Mets fans, can we talk about the Mets without bringing up the Yankees? Thank you.
RE: Go to a Met thread,  
Greg from LI : 5/7/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 13956641 Section331 said:
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and a Yankee thread breaks out! Mets fans, can we talk about the Mets without bringing up the Yankees? Thank you.


Would you really rather be talking about the Mets right now?
RE: RE: Go to a Met thread,  
Section331 : 5/7/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 13956645 Greg from LI said:
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Would you really rather be talking about the Mets right now?


Damn you.
Hopelessness in Metsland  
spike : 5/7/2018 11:44 am : link
Just waiting for the arms of Degrom and Syndergaard to fall off.

We cant have nice things. Neither can the Dodgers loving Wilpons.

They arent even fans of the Mets, just using it as a busine$$
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arcarsenal : 5/7/2018 12:51 pm : link
Alderson should lose his job. How much more of this do we have to deal with before enough is enough?

The MLB roster has tons of problems yet again, the farm sucks. We had one awesome stretch of baseball in 2015 and other than that, it has been about 8 years of non-competitive baseball and bullshit.

Rooting for this team is incredibly tiresome. It's been 3 decades since they've fielded a team that was actually competitive for a few consecutive seasons.

We've won 90 or more games just twice since the turn of the century.

I'm tired of this horseshit. It fucking sucks.
RE: .  
Metnut : 5/7/2018 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13956927 arcarsenal said:
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Alderson should lose his job. How much more of this do we have to deal with before enough is enough?

The MLB roster has tons of problems yet again, the farm sucks. We had one awesome stretch of baseball in 2015 and other than that, it has been about 8 years of non-competitive baseball and bullshit.

Rooting for this team is incredibly tiresome. It's been 3 decades since they've fielded a team that was actually competitive for a few consecutive seasons.

We've won 90 or more games just twice since the turn of the century.

I'm tired of this horseshit. It fucking sucks.


Alderson's job should be tied to the performance of the team this year. He's been GM for about a decade now and the team has only reached the division series once. They also have a poor farm system.

If Alderson gets fired, they better not promote someone like Ricco or go back to Minaya. Clean house and bring in a well thought of assistant from an actual successful franchise.
Unfortunately Alderson is going nowhere unless or until  
Chris684 : 5/7/2018 1:11 pm : link
he wants to.

MLB should have stepped in with the Mets and forced the Wilpons to sell as Selig did with the McCourts in LA. Instead, Selig allowed his buddy Fred to stay in but forced Sandy to come in and act as a bean counter.

The timing of their commitment to David Wright was foolish and was never going to work out as Wright was already breaking down and his health wasnt going to align with the plan to wait for the starting pitching to grow up.

Should have traded Reyes at the deadline the year he won the batting title.

Should have traded Harvey after the World Series.
RE: .  
spike : 5/7/2018 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13956927 arcarsenal said:
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Alderson should lose his job. How much more of this do we have to deal with before enough is enough?

The MLB roster has tons of problems yet again, the farm sucks. We had one awesome stretch of baseball in 2015 and other than that, it has been about 8 years of non-competitive baseball and bullshit.

Rooting for this team is incredibly tiresome. It's been 3 decades since they've fielded a team that was actually competitive for a few consecutive seasons.

We've won 90 or more games just twice since the turn of the century.

I'm tired of this horseshit. It fucking sucks.


We are the Reds and the Padres
Some goods news among the doom and gloom  
pjcas18 : 5/7/2018 1:27 pm : link
David Peterson today:

7 IP, 3H, 0 ER, 1BB, 8K's.
RE: Unfortunately Alderson is going nowhere unless or until  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/7/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13956957 Chris684 said:
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he wants to.

MLB should have stepped in with the Mets and forced the Wilpons to sell as Selig did with the McCourts in LA. Instead, Selig allowed his buddy Fred to stay in but forced Sandy to come in and act as a bean counter.

The timing of their commitment to David Wright was foolish and was never going to work out as Wright was already breaking down and his health wasnt going to align with the plan to wait for the starting pitching to grow up.

Should have traded Reyes at the deadline the year he won the batting title.

Should have traded Harvey after the World Series.

Reyes pulled his hammy (again) earlier in the month, which severely cooled the trade market for him.
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giantsFC : 5/7/2018 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13956927 arcarsenal said:
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Rooting for this team is incredibly tiresome. It's been 3 decades since they've fielded a team that was actually competitive for a few consecutive seasons.



I have been saying this among friends for years. Even when our Mets have a "great" season, they never sustain, supplement, enhance, retool etc. that successful team and instead follow it up with an inferior product or let players walk.
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arcarsenal : 5/7/2018 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13957029 giantsFC said:
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In comment 13956927 arcarsenal said:


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Rooting for this team is incredibly tiresome. It's been 3 decades since they've fielded a team that was actually competitive for a few consecutive seasons.





I have been saying this among friends for years. Even when our Mets have a "great" season, they never sustain, supplement, enhance, retool etc. that successful team and instead follow it up with an inferior product or let players walk.


Yep.

1999 and 2000.... 2006 was followed by an epic choke in 2007 and another collapse/crappy finish in 2008.

2015 was followed up by a 2016 where we got into the play-in game and lost and a miserable 2017. 2018 looks like it's well on the way to being a repeat of last year.

We get one truly good season (2000, 2006, 2016) surrounded by one or two marginally competitive seasons and then a ton of miserable, unwatchable baseball.

No matter who is in charge, they can't figure out how to sustain the winning... ever.
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arcarsenal : 5/7/2018 2:11 pm : link
(2000, 2006, 2015)*
The Mets trend (Arc's point) and rebuilding decision  
Drewcon40 : 5/7/2018 2:55 pm : link
Arc great point. 85-90 was the last "sustained success" this team saw. This was before interleague play and 3 rounds of playoffs. This was before the Marlins and Rockies even existed.

But like Arc reflected. 98 was the Piazza trade followed by 99 and 2000. Then we had 2006 which was a fun year then the disasters of 07 and 08. and then 2015 and if you want to count 2016. It's a disturbing trend.

Metnut mentioned that this should be Sandy's last year and I agree. However, I do want to give this coaching staff a chance with some talent. I think we may have a good manager in Callaway and I did like the Eiland hire. It was Sandy's staff that chose him. Would a new GM bring in a new staff?

I have been thinking if it would be best to move some of our valuable assets for a rebuild. Just for arguments sake, Syndergaard, deGrom, maybe even Conforto. Sandy did have some early success when he was in that position. Carlos Beltran for Zach Wheeler was a good deal at the time. The R.A. Dickey trade which got us Syndergaard and d'Arnaud (again d'Arnaud at the time was considered a great package). This week should be interesting. If we got a few wins against a Reds team, does that mean 'we're back"? When does a rebuild decision come?
The Mets have been a miserable organization  
spike : 5/7/2018 3:02 pm : link
Ever since Wilpons took over from Doubleday
1999  
giantsFC : 5/7/2018 4:28 pm : link
was probably my favorite team that the Coupons didn't quite add enough pieces to pitching or OF for a complete team. And I hate to say it, but letting Olerud go and replacing w Zeile was a typical Met downgrade IMO. Also they left even bigger holes in the OF that year if I remember. Timo Perez and Benny Agbayani? I mean come on! They would have been bench players on the yankees.
The jury is still out on  
giantsFC : 5/7/2018 4:29 pm : link
Thor.

Is he an ace or just a talented pitcher who can't seem to get it all together?

I'm still waiting to be honest. He hasn't exactly been ace material out there this year.
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