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Webb or Lauletta

CMicks3110 : 5/6/2018 5:47 pm
who do you guys like better? I personally have loved the film I've seen of Lauletta. I thought he looked a lot like DeShaun Watson, maybe with less mobility. Webb, I've heard comparisons to a mobile Kerry Collins. It's extremely hard to project from college film. But do folks feel like they are Brown/Kanell/Graham type QBs, or could fit into recent successful mid round QBs like Prescott, Andy Dalton, etc.
I would like them combined  
George from PA : 5/6/2018 5:52 pm : link
Mixing Webb strong arm with Lauletta accuracy
Beats me.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2018 5:59 pm : link
Hopefully one turns out to be a good NFL QB.
I like the guy who gives the Giants the best chance of winning  
Ivan15 : 5/6/2018 6:03 pm : link
So check back with us in a couple of years.
Tough call  
mavric : 5/6/2018 6:03 pm : link
I love them both. Very possible we have two soon-to-be starter capable QBs as Eli's backup. I tend to think Webb beats out Lauletta (a couple inches taller, stronger arm, and a year of studying tape with Eli tutoring him), but he doesn't want to struggle when given the opportunity or Lauletta will take his job. Great problem to have for a football team
I think you have to root  
chopperhatch : 5/6/2018 6:06 pm : link
For the strongest arm. Plus I like the underdog asoect of Webb. He apparently works very hard, has an arm and will have two years learning under Eli.

Webb taking the reigns after 3 years backing up Eli and 2 years of Shurmur with Lauletta backing up Im willing to take a shot with.
I think BBI has given up on 3rd rounder Webb,  
SHO'NUFF : 5/6/2018 6:11 pm : link
and inexplicably, has more faith in 4th rounder Lauletta.
The first comparison, not at all, but Webb  
barens : 5/6/2018 6:15 pm : link
I always thought looked a bit like Kerry Collins. When people call him athletic in and out of the pocket, I just donít see it.
I think you're going to get to see how they are sooner  
Jimmy Googs : 5/6/2018 6:18 pm : link
vs. later...
qb  
jurban : 5/6/2018 6:19 pm : link
they both have been compared to a young johnnie unitas and joe Montana....:)
I think the competition will be friendly  
greatgrandpa : 5/6/2018 6:20 pm : link
but it will be intense and fierce. I mean who would not want to succeed Eli as the starting QM of the NFLs flagship franchise? Both are talented, bright and will put it whatever it takes to be the guy. As the head coach of New England puts it you want competition at every position as it pushes a player to keep getting better every day. This is a very good start for the post Eli years in my opinion. Draft status means nothing from now on. It is up to the player and how bad he wants it.
As long as Shurmurís around  
Big Blue '56 : 5/6/2018 6:23 pm : link
Either Webb or Lauletta can navigate this team with Barkley et al, imv. I have a great deal of confidence in Shurmurís PC..I mean Case Keenum, a game away from the SB?
About two years too early to tell...BUT  
the mike : 5/6/2018 6:37 pm : link
It is Webb's to lose. He clearly has the higher ceiling so if he cleans up his footwork, decision making and accuracy, AND plays to his potential, he will be given the chance to succeed Eli. If he does not, it might be Lauletta assuming he plays to his "Tony Romo" like potential. But I believe they will help each other become the best version of themselves as possible - Webb helping Lauletta with arm strength and velocity, Lauletta helping Webb with accuracy. Whether either will become good enough to be Elis successor remains unclear. More than likely, Eli's successor is still years away from being known to BBI..

And this is fine. Eli's "Shurmur Chapter" will be better than his "Coughlin Chapter". The question I am wrestling with is, which will be better - Eli 2018 or Eli 2011?
I hope both succeed....  
SGMen : 5/6/2018 6:38 pm : link
Best thing is for both to succeed.
RE: I think the competition will be friendly  
chopperhatch : 5/6/2018 6:44 pm : link
In comment 13956316 greatgrandpa said:
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but it will be intense and fierce. I mean who would not want to succeed Eli as the starting QM of the NFLs flagship franchise? Both are talented, bright and will put it whatever it takes to be the guy. As the head coach of New England puts it you want competition at every position as it pushes a player to keep getting better every day. This is a very good start for the post Eli years in my opinion. Draft status means nothing from now on. It is up to the player and how bad he wants it.


I too believe this. I hope Webb emerges as the starter and Lauletta is his back up for years.
Gun to my head  
djm : 5/6/2018 6:56 pm : link
Iím going with the guy this regime drafted.
Nobody  
AcidTest : 5/6/2018 7:05 pm : link
knows. It's much too early. Webb might have a slight advantage, but there's a high likelihood neither succeeds Eli, at least not for the long term.
Webb  
mattyblue : 5/6/2018 7:07 pm : link
is bigger and faster. In fact a lot of his combine stats look similar to Josh Allen.
RE: I think BBI has given up on 3rd rounder Webb,  
John In CO : 5/6/2018 7:10 pm : link
In comment 13956309 SHO'NUFF said:
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and inexplicably, has more faith in 4th rounder Lauletta.


Well, of course.......DG drafted Lauletta, so he has a good shot at being a find, but Reese drafted Webb, so he obviously must suck
Who cares?  
David B. : 5/6/2018 7:25 pm : link
As long as one of them turns out.
RE: RE: I think BBI has given up on 3rd rounder Webb,  
chopperhatch : 5/6/2018 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13956353 John In CO said:
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In comment 13956309 SHO'NUFF said:


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and inexplicably, has more faith in 4th rounder Lauletta.



Well, of course.......DG drafted Lauletta, so he has a good shot at being a find, but Reese drafted Webb, so he obviously must suck


Sooo....Im just not going to list all the players that Reese drafted that have NOT sucked.
Davis  
charlito : 5/6/2018 7:50 pm : link
Webb will be the Giants qb for 15 + years. I'm from the future. You guys are going to love him.
RE: Gun to my head  
SHO'NUFF : 5/6/2018 8:07 pm : link
In comment 13956344 djm said:
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Iím going with the guy this regime drafted.


This regime has proven zilch.
Healthy competion  
Beer Man : 5/6/2018 8:24 pm : link
Should be good for both and the team. May the best guy win.
I'm rooting for both. I LOVE Webb's attitude  
CT Charlie : 5/6/2018 8:27 pm : link
and public comments. I feel bad that so much of his learning under Eli may be useless because of Shurmur's system. But I guess we'll discover which QB is sharpest at mastering a new playbook.
I love the pick Lauletta in the 4th. But put a gun to my  
Blue21 : 5/6/2018 8:48 pm : link
head I say Webb. Gym rat, film rat, big arm, big size. I think the scale favors Webb. But would just be happy if one turns out to be Goff or Phil Simms.
I think it is way to early to know anything...but,  
Jarvis : 5/6/2018 9:06 pm : link
since we are speculating, i will say Kyle Lauletta.

1) While Webb tested better in the athletic drills, it wasn't glaring. Lauletta actually did quite well in the athletic drills as well and is known to be athletic on the field (former high level lacrosse player)

2) Webb has the bigger arm, but according to scouting reports Lauletta is very accurate and goes through his progressions well. The number one attribute of a QB is decision making and that seems to be where Lauletta excels.

3) Both were senior bowl MVP's but Lualetta actually dominated in the entire week of practice and was the most impressive in the 1 on 1 drills (QB throwing to a covered receiver in different routes).

4) I feel like Lauletta was passed over for lack of elite arm strength and because he played at Richmond. The arm stregth is an issue we have seen overcome before as well as the small school. Webb played at Cal in the Pac12. More interestingly, he played the year after Goff had just gone number 1. So it isn't like there was a bad stigma about Cal even though they played in the spread. So, Webb has an elite arm, well above average athleticism and size, and puts up big numbers on the same team and in the same offense as the number 1 pick the prior year. Yet he slipped to the late 3rd round. (Our own SY56 has listed his reasons in his draft profile). My guess is their is something severely lacking in his decision making that an untrained eye like my own cannot see, but the scouts see.

5) Lauletta played for 3 different OC's and did well with all of them. He is used to picking up a new playbook and doesn't need a specific system.

I hope manning finds his Brady  
giantsFC : 5/6/2018 9:32 pm : link
And both these guys just become quality backups that can step up in a pinch. Nick Foles, Cody Carlson, Hos, even Kent Graham was decent as a backup.
RE: qb  
Vanzetti : 5/6/2018 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13956315 jurban said:
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they both have been compared to a young johnnie unitas and joe Montana....:)


Webb has a way stronger arm than Montana and Unitas is a statue compared to Lauretta. I know some people will disagree but I donít think either Montana or Unitas makes this team unless they can really contribute on specials
RE: I think you're going to get to see how they are sooner  
eric2425ny : 5/6/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13956313 Jimmy Googs said:
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vs. later...


My god, give it a rest. We get it, you think Eliís career is over. Letís see how this year plays out.
eli will see out this contract  
msh : 5/7/2018 6:08 am : link
but the salary cap pressure will probably force the team to move on as they need to pay collins and OBJ so that wont leave them enough cap to pay eli the 20+ per year he will command as well

best case is either this year or next he wins his 3rd title and retires on a high this would also make his HoF place unquestionable,i think he is already but a 3rd title will kill the doubt as he surpasses peyton who is a definate HoF QB

worst case eli doesnt improve and they switch to one of the young guys,there wouldnt be such an outcry if they handle it right (which the previous staff botched), if they had started webb many of us thought that was sensible given it was a lost season and they werent sure what they had in webb yet it was the fact he started geno that caused the backlash more than the fact they benched eli

i expect bettcher with the roster he has now and the scheme he will bring in will make the giants a much meaner defence im looking for top 10 he had arizona at 8 and the giants roster is stronger than what he had there the corners are better and they will make better rotational use of the DL instead of spags flogging jpp and vernon to death with 90%+ of the snaps while the offence spluttered and wore them down
spags scheme relied too heavily on the 2 DE's getting home

likewise shurmur will turn the offence into a top 10 unit,there isnt many defences that can cope with barkley,OBJ,shepard and engram on the field at once and with the OL fixed i expect them to pound the ball behind hernandez alot too, gallman and perkins will see an improvement thanx to the OL upgrade as he did with the 2nd and 3rd RB's with the vikings last year and ellison and adams will be a key chain movers and blockers in that scheme as well the TE were badly under used last year even after the WR corp was decimated early on

with mac gone teams wont know whats coming anymore they were far too predictable and easy to stop,flood the secondry with deep safeties to choke the deep pass. if they try that now they will run the ball down their throats and when they bring a safety up to stop that OBJ or engram gets single coverage and burns them

barkley makes the transition to one of those 2 easier,i think lauletta has a good chance because shurmur picked him,he also said he values accuracy over arm strength and webb was reese's pick not the current staffs but webb has already taken in the new playbook, he works hard and has had longer to learn from eli. so as it stands its webbs job to lose at the moment or lauletta outplays him in which case webb continues as backup which is still healthier than carrying another teams cast off you pray wont need to take the field

shurmur will find that in the meadowlands you need more arm strength,those swirling winds require a bit more zip, and being an outdoor team (over the dome)that late in the year arm strength is a bigger need than he realises at present

the bigger arm also make the deep pass to OBJ and engram more dangerous too they have the best QB group they have had since eli was drafted right now this is why they didnt need that QB at 2,they needed the running game and dual threat that every other team in the division had last year at RB to be competitive the nfc is much harder to win than the afc especially the east which is on the rise again
Shift key or Period  
CT Charlie : 5/7/2018 6:48 am : link
?
RE: RE: I think you're going to get to see how they are sooner  
Jimmy Googs : 5/7/2018 7:58 am : link
In comment 13956460 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 13956313 Jimmy Googs said:


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vs. later...



My god, give it a rest. We get it, you think Eliís career is over. Letís see how this year plays out.


Summer preseason...another paranoid poster
Msh  
joeinpa : 5/7/2018 8:04 am : link
The bigger question is why was there an outcry the first time.

A team going no where with no offensive production sits a quarterback who hadn t been effective in two seasons.

They replaced him with a younger more mobile quarterback with good arm talent.

the mistake was not sticking to the plan to see the two younger quarterbacks.

Phil Simms did as much for this franchise as Eli during a time when it has floundered for years. Where was the outcry when he was benched and later released.

I love Eli as a Giant, but the blind eye some have for him is a turn off.

are we allowed to see them play first before answering?  
Victor in CT : 5/7/2018 8:07 am : link
sheesh. getting ahead of yourself here a little
?  
Archer : 5/7/2018 8:13 am : link
The statistical chance that either player becomes a star QB is very low.

If Webb or Lauletta does become a franchise QB, it will be an anomaly, and will set the Giants up for the next 10 years.

RE: I think it is way to early to know anything...but,  
Jesse B : 5/7/2018 8:19 am : link
In comment 13956404 Jarvis said:
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since we are speculating, i will say Kyle Lauletta.

1) While Webb tested better in the athletic drills, it wasn't glaring. Lauletta actually did quite well in the athletic drills as well and is known to be athletic on the field (former high level lacrosse player)

2) Webb has the bigger arm, but according to scouting reports Lauletta is very accurate and goes through his progressions well. The number one attribute of a QB is decision making and that seems to be where Lauletta excels.

3) Both were senior bowl MVP's but Lualetta actually dominated in the entire week of practice and was the most impressive in the 1 on 1 drills (QB throwing to a covered receiver in different routes).

4) I feel like Lauletta was passed over for lack of elite arm strength and because he played at Richmond. The arm stregth is an issue we have seen overcome before as well as the small school. Webb played at Cal in the Pac12. More interestingly, he played the year after Goff had just gone number 1. So it isn't like there was a bad stigma about Cal even though they played in the spread. So, Webb has an elite arm, well above average athleticism and size, and puts up big numbers on the same team and in the same offense as the number 1 pick the prior year. Yet he slipped to the late 3rd round. (Our own SY56 has listed his reasons in his draft profile). My guess is their is something severely lacking in his decision making that an untrained eye like my own cannot see, but the scouts see.

5) Lauletta played for 3 different OC's and did well with all of them. He is used to picking up a new playbook and doesn't need a specific system.



Lauletta in no way did "quite well" athletically

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kyle-lauletta

His mockdraftable chart vs all qb prospects in the data base he had. Great 20 yard shuttle everything else is average to below average.

Webb did fo quite well his hand size is small but everything else is in the 70 and 80 percentile.

It's weird that people got so dug in on David Webb  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/7/2018 9:11 am : link
but it's even more weird that either QB would have any fans willing to argue so vehemently for either one.

Given a choice between a big arm guy and a guy that's pinpoint accurate in the mid and short passes, I'm taking accuracy over arm 10/10 times. Plus Lauletta is said to be better or at least faster at making reads and making decisions.
Only way to know is when the game is on the line...  
M.S. : 5/7/2018 9:25 am : link

...to see who pulls the team through.

I'm a big fan of Davis Webb but hell if I know what he'll actually do in NFL game day situations.

I think his ceiling, however, is higher than Lauletta's.
Not sure how...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/7/2018 9:27 am : link
...anyone could have an educated opinion at this point?!~
Well I'd hope that neither are Andy Dalton.  
Gmen88 : 5/7/2018 9:51 am : link
Cause he's just awful.
RE: Well I'd hope that neither are Andy Dalton.  
Victor in CT : 5/7/2018 10:00 am : link
In comment 13956619 Gmen88 said:
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Cause he's just awful.


If one of them turned out to be Andy Dalton that would be a pretty good value from that draft position.
No rush  
idiotsavant : 5/7/2018 10:14 am : link
But maybe the greatest benefit of having 3 will be, for next year's draft, being able (assume there is a semblance of goodness on both lines) to revisit y'alls coveted skill positions early - like.

First round WR anyone? Discipline now pays off next year.
I gotta tell you  
mittenedman : 5/7/2018 10:22 am : link
I cant wait to see Eli in the Shurmur offense.

No one felt the brunt more for this orgís recent incompetence than Eli. Tasked with running McAdooís horrible offense, with Ereck Flowers at LT and nothing at RB. And he had to completely relearn his footwork transitioning from TC to McAdoo.

Fast forward to now. Everyones thrown dirt on the guy & chuckled when DG & Co. have said he has years left. Anger at not drafting a QB.

Quietly, Eli FINALLY is in a good offensive scheme with a good coach, a good LT and a full understanding of WCO footwork. And- oh yeah- perhaps the best RB prospect ever.

I quit on him myself, but Ive got a funny feeling he has what he needs for the 1st time since 2011 and the OL fell apart.

Uneducated guess...  
Andy in Halifax : 5/7/2018 10:39 am : link
Okay, HIGHLY uneducated guess...

Both have stuff to work on. Lauletta looks way better in the pocket with footwork and such. Lighter, softer feet or something. Webb seems kinda heavy footed and robotic in the pocket.
Webb throws a nice deep ball, Lauletta does not (at all). I like Webb's arm strength a lot more but Lauletta seems to make really quick and smart decisions - timing on intermediate passes is much better as a result.

Both seem smart and hard working.

Gun to my head - I think Webb has a better chance of making it. I think both have ability and both have issues to work out but Webb's seem more likely (though the feet bug me with him).
RE: RE: Well I'd hope that neither are Andy Dalton.  
Gmen88 : 5/7/2018 11:24 am : link
In comment 13956635 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13956619 Gmen88 said:


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Cause he's just awful.



If one of them turned out to be Andy Dalton that would be a pretty good value from that draft position.


O absolutely- and even that might be far fetched. But if one of them do pan out, my hope is they are better than him as I believe he is a below average starter in this league.
Andy Dalton is the representative of where you don't want to be  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/7/2018 11:30 am : link
with regards to QBs.

Good enough to win regular season games, not good enough to cash in in the playoffs. Ultimately, good enough to keep you out of the running for an impact player at QB.
RE: It's weird that people got so dug in on David Webb  
ColHowPepper : 5/7/2018 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13956585 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Given a choice between a big arm guy and a guy that's pinpoint accurate in the mid and short passes, I'm taking accuracy over arm 10/10 times. Plus Lauletta is said to be better or at least faster at making reads and making decisions.
I'm with you on this TTH. I find it odd that some think that accuracy can be learned, or easily improved. For example:
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... link : reply It is Webb's to lose. He clearly has the higher ceiling so if he cleans up his footwork, decision making and accuracy, AND plays to his potential, he will be given the chance to succeed Eli....I believe they will help each other become the best version of themselves as possible - Webb helping Lauletta with arm strength and velocity, Lauletta helping Webb with accuracy.

If I had to choose, I think strengthening Lauletta's arm a few mph is a lower bar than improving accuracy, which I think is more innate. Certainly, practice helps. But, heck, Eli has been a pro since 2004 and he's never approached Brees in that part of his game. Of course, very few do.
RE: Andy Dalton is the representative of where you don't want to be  
Jay on the Island : 5/7/2018 8:36 pm : link
In comment 13956775 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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with regards to QBs.

Good enough to win regular season games, not good enough to cash in in the playoffs. Ultimately, good enough to keep you out of the running for an impact player at QB.

I agree, I would actually rather see both of them become a Nassib type than a Dalton type. Sure Dalton could win some games and might even get into the playoffs once or twice but you will never win a championship with him.
RE: RE: Gun to my head  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/8/2018 1:31 am : link
In comment 13956378 SHO'NUFF said:
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In comment 13956344 djm said:


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Iím going with the guy this regime drafted.



This regime has proven zilch.

Neither have you, but you keep giving us that pity ****.
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