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The Heir Apparent to Eli has arrived...

Shogun86 : 5/6/2018 6:50 pm
in the form of Kyle Lauletta. I see a lot of Phil Simms in this kid who doesn't have a cannon of an arm but all the other intangibles. Pat Shurmur will be able to mold him to his liking.

Please check out this scouting report here and let me know what you this: https://twitter.com/OptimumScouting/status/990271990815748096
Kyle Lauletta Scouting Report - ( New Window )
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RE: Phil  
JCin332 : 5/6/2018 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13956357 David B. said:
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Had a cannon arm.


Yes he did in fact his problem initially in his career because he had a cannon he tended to force things...
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arcarsenal : 5/6/2018 9:04 pm : link
If you see a lot of Phil Simms in Kyle Lauletta, I don’t think you saw a lot of Phil Simms.
A more realistic + hopeful comp might be Alex Smith  
Go Terps : 5/6/2018 9:07 pm : link
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RE: A more realistic + hopeful comp might be Alex Smith  
capegman : 5/6/2018 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13956405 Go Terps said:
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I thought that also after watching him. He looks like an Alex Smith.
RE: .  
giantsFC : 5/6/2018 9:20 pm : link
In comment 13956401 arcarsenal said:
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If you see a lot of Phil Simms in Kyle Lauletta, I don’t think you saw a lot of Phil Simms.


Agree. Simms was a thrower. But just fairly immobile and fairly injury prone. But he had that Eli Manning ability to avoid and/or take a sack.
RE: Horray we have our new  
GFAN52 : 5/6/2018 9:29 pm : link
In comment 13956352 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Danny Kennel/Kent Graham combo!


Kennel as in dog Kennel? Or Kanell? Either way they both played liked dogs, no pun intended.
Admittedly I have seen little of him  
steve in ky : 5/6/2018 9:35 pm : link
but from what I have seen he doesn't really remind me of Phil Simms at all.
Glad that’s settled  
TD : 5/6/2018 9:49 pm : link
Fourth round pick star QB because... a good scouting report.

Kidding aside, thanks for sharing but I think the people who feel strongly one way or the other about this pick (and the #2 overall pick) aren’t going to change their minds until they’re proven wrong on the field.

There’s some things to like about Lauletta but there are some weaknesses that are terrifying (not just to those fans against the pick - but to those many teams that passed on him multiple times).

In three years, my guess is Lauletta will not be the best of this QB draft class. I’d put wager 3rd or worse - beaten out by at least one of the top ten QBs we passed on, who winds up being a franchise QB. And that burns me up..
i'm optimistic about him  
GiantsFan84 : 5/6/2018 9:56 pm : link
and competition between him and Webb can only be a good thing
I would have loved to see what Simms could have done  
Since1965 : 5/6/2018 10:14 pm : link
in a passing offense with quality wide receivers.
He doesn't have the Simms arm; not close.  
yatqb : 5/6/2018 10:16 pm : link
But he looks like a guy who could be a very good WC QB.

I personally think that Webb has a higher upside (since he certainly does have a gun and seems to be more athletic that Lauletta, who is no slouch himself). But we've got two guys who might become QBs of a winning Giants team.
Who knows which QB will succeed?  
George from PA : 5/6/2018 10:23 pm : link
That was the problem picking one @2!

No one's knows for sure which one! No concencus.

What is funny and odd.... Shurmur leaned toward Allen, which is more like Webb....but selected Lauletta based on accuracy.
Yup, Phil had no fastball at all.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/6/2018 10:38 pm : link
Here are a few clips of him struggling to nudge the ball downfield.
Imagine if he'd had top-tier receivers. - ( New Window )
what is with all the people lately saying Simms had a weak arm???  
Greg from LI : 5/6/2018 10:52 pm : link
It's bizarre - one of the things he was most noted for was his powerful arm! That and his toughness and willingness to take a hit to complete a pass.

The only reason I can think of is that, since he's been retired for 25 years now, there are a lot of posters here who either never saw him play or were in kindergarten when he hung em up.
I get the Simms comparison...  
bw in dc : 5/6/2018 11:21 pm : link
He and Lauletta are right handed.

As stated, Simms had a spectacular arm. The wins at the old Meadowlands were considerably worse. And Simms could still knife the ball through it.
Can we let the kid have one practice in full pads  
montanagiant : 5/7/2018 1:46 am : link
Before he gets anointed the second coming?
Arm strength does make a difference when you're trying  
Ira : 5/7/2018 5:30 am : link
to get the ball in a tight window. This is Lauletta's weakness. But he does have a number of strengths - his accuracy, mobility and football sense. We'll see how he develops.
Lauletta's arm is underrated  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/7/2018 6:41 am : link
He throws really smart throws. He can make all different types of throws - the fact that he doesn't always throw it one way doesn't mean he can't. Whether he will be the Giants future QB is really open to development, but his arm shouldn't really be the issue.

He reminds me a lot of Russell Wilson in that he puts as much air under the ball as he has to in any particular situation and throws a lot of guys open.
RE: I would have loved to see what Simms could have done  
Sec 103 : 5/7/2018 6:51 am : link
In comment 13956458 Since1965 said:
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in a passing offense with quality wide receivers.

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RE: Yup, Phil had no fastball at all.  
Reb8thVA : 5/7/2018 6:58 am : link
In comment 13956465 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Here are a few clips of him struggling to nudge the ball downfield. Imagine if he'd had top-tier receivers. - ( New Window )


That was a great view. It’s been so long. I forgot how good Simms could be. I love all those TE passes to Mowatt and Bavaro
Greg from LI: The 1993 Simms was a very different from the ’86 model.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/7/2018 7:37 am : link
The wily, 38-year-old vet with a diminished arm might be the lasting image for some fans. Ironically, that’s the Simms that most closely resembled Lauletta, though without the legs.

The linked video showcases his arm, and some of those throws from the 80s are insane. So is his release. That reel offers an interesting contrast to his best-remembered performance, in SB XXI, where he was playing in perfect conditions, with great rotection, and mostly made touch throws. (There were a few laser beams too, including one to Robinson that is Elway/Marino-worthy.)

The 1979-81 Simms was a third persona: howitzer arm, good mobility, no clue what he was doing. He made ridiculous plays, in every sense of the word.
things I loved about Simms  
Pep22 : 5/7/2018 7:51 am : link
1 big arm
2 the way he threw seam passes
3 the fact that he lifted w/ the OL and could shrug off some sack attempts as a result
4 all the fist pumping and outward passion for the game; exciting player
RE: RE: I would have loved to see what Simms could have done  
Elisthebest : 5/7/2018 7:55 am : link
In comment 13956508 Sec 103 said:
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in a passing offense with quality wide receivers.


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I certainly hope so  
UberAlias : 5/7/2018 8:12 am : link
But if we are being perfectly honest here, odds are neither one of the them will develop into a top 10-12 QB in the league. IMO, that's really what we should looking for, if not better. Its not just about having a guy -you want a really good one. I hope we luck out and find it in one of these two. Unfortunately the odds are not in their favor.
The stark reality of shiny new quarterback heirs......  
the mike : 5/7/2018 8:26 am : link
Is that the vast majority never grow into the successor - by a long shot ... I am rooting for Webb and Lauletta, but the truth is, there is nothing ever apparent about quarterback succession heirs in the NFL. It is likely that we still have no idea who Eli's heir will be when Eli ultimately retires in several years.

A solid process of quarterback succession management though does appear to have finally been established... one that cultivates patient development within a strong NFL system. It will hopefully be a system that enables a lowest common denominator quarterback, like a Case Keenum, to be successful in those years when the HOF franchise heir is not apparent.

In this approach, I could envision the Giants permanently keeping three young quarterbacks on the active roster and dedicating one draft pick or UDFA every year to the quarterback position depending on where the best value lies. So there is never an "heir apparent" by decree, but an "heir earned" by a process of darwinian selection. When a HOF franchise quarterback is ultimately revealed, the process remains in place and worthy challengers become valuable trade assets rather than successors - as the Patriots have successfully established during the Tom Brady era with value creating trades for quarterbacks like Cassell, Brissett and Garoppolo.

I was originally scratching my head with the Lauletta pick, but if the pick is an indication that the Giants are finally implementing a sensible and permanent quarterback succession process, then the pick may be just as valuable to our future as the Barkley/Hernandez/Carter picks.




please make the stupid stop. a 4th round project pick who has yet  
Victor in CT : 5/7/2018 8:31 am : link
to throw a ball in a scrimmage, let alone a real NFL game, is being annointed by the OP as Eli's succesor. Brilliant.
RE: what is with all the people lately saying Simms had a weak arm???  
baadbill : 5/7/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13956467 Greg from LI said:
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It's bizarre - one of the things he was most noted for was his powerful arm! That and his toughness and willingness to take a hit to complete a pass.

The only reason I can think of is that, since he's been retired for 25 years now, there are a lot of posters here who either never saw him play or were in kindergarten when he hung em up.


The only "issue" with Simms there ever was ... is that he had a tendency to force the ball which resulted in some bad interceptions. But, that also generally happened when they were behind and he needed to force the ball.

The thing about Simms is:
1. He had a very strong arm.
2. His throws had a great touch ... the ball often floated softly into the receivers hands.
3. He was an incredibly accurate passer.

But he didn't have the assets around him that Manning has had in his career (or that Montana had in his) ... the Giants spent most of their high draft picks on defense (and remember there wasn't FA back then). And for the first 5 years or so of his career, the OL was pretty weak and he took incredible body shots - you didn't get flags thrown for roughing the passer back then ... and Simms would stand tall and get the throw off knowing he was about to be hit in the face and then body slammed to the ground.

He was really a great competitor and one of my all time favorite players.
I don't see the Simms comp at all.  
Section331 : 5/7/2018 10:58 am : link
Phil had a terrific arm, his main issue coming out of Morehead St was accuracy. We'll see about Lualetta. I like what I've seen of his accuracy and decision-making, but I have significant reservations about his arm.

Shurmer has made chicken salad out of chicken shit before, most recently with Case Keenum, so I'm interested to see his influence on all of the QB's on the roster.
If anyone has any doubts about Simms arm,  
Section331 : 5/7/2018 11:04 am : link
watch this throw:
Simms 4th & 17 v. Minn Vikings - ( New Window )
RE: If anyone has any doubts about Simms arm,  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/7/2018 11:36 am : link
Section331 said:
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watch this throw: Simms 4th & 17 v. Minn Vikings
What a great moment that was. To me, 4th and 17 was less about Phil's arm than his maturation as a championship QB.
Good piece on the MIN game in 1986, with some crazy background. - ( New Window )
Things I liked about Simms  
JerseyCityJoe : 5/7/2018 11:42 am : link
Bravest QB in the pocket I have ever seen.
Simms had brass balls. Could not be intimidated, and after the  
Victor in CT : 5/7/2018 11:45 am : link
beatings he took from '79-83 almost anybody else would have been gun shy. And he had a cannon for an arm.
The 4th down TD to Odessa Turner  
Go Terps : 5/7/2018 11:47 am : link
One of my favorite throws ever by any QB. I must have made my brother run that route a million times in the yard, just trying to get the timing down.
I loved Simms' fire  
Greg from LI : 5/7/2018 11:53 am : link
Eli's aw-shucks demeanor works for some people, but I'll take a redass like Simms every time over that. Not trying to rip on Eli here, just saying that I liked Simms' intensity.

And yeah, until his very last season, a tight end was the best receiver Simms ever had to throw to. Even then, Mike Sherrard was merely a good WR. Eli has had at least five receivers better than Sherrard - Beckham, Cruz, Nicks, Toomer, Burress. As most know but some younger posters may not, Simms is the QB Bill Walsh wanted the most in the 1979 draft. Had he played in a different offense with more talent, I am 100% certain that he'd be in Canton right now.
Watch BBI get all upset  
Doomster : 5/7/2018 12:07 pm : link
when the Giants bring in a vet QB to camp.....
RE: Watch BBI get all upset  
ron mexico : 5/7/2018 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13956850 Doomster said:
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when the Giants bring in a vet QB to camp.....


Jay Cutler is available
Greg: Although Phil could have been lethal in Walsh’s offense...  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/7/2018 12:34 pm : link
...counterfactuals are tricky. Suppose Phil had gone to San Francisco, and sustained the same injuries he did here. Would DeBartolo & Co. have shown the same patience George Young did?

I still haven’t forgiven Parcells for the Brunner decision in 1983. But the most telling part of that story may be Young’s flat refusal to trade Simms for less than he was worth after Phil reportedly went batshit. Young’s response was something along the lines of “Calm down, and get your ass back to practice. You’re still my quarterback.”
RE: RE: RE: I would have loved to see what Simms could have done  
Klaatu : 5/7/2018 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13956517 Elisthebest said:
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in a passing offense with quality wide receivers.


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RE: RE: Watch BBI get all upset  
Klaatu : 5/7/2018 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13956852 ron mexico said:
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when the Giants bring in a vet QB to camp.....



Jay Cutler is available


So is Colin Kaepernick.
this may be  
Harvest Blend : 5/7/2018 1:59 pm : link
the 3rd or 4th time I've read the Phil Simms/Lauletta comparison on this site. I hope they've all been the same guy because it makes zero sense.
We have,  
oldog : 5/7/2018 2:22 pm : link
an heir and a spare.
While parsing through the Simms/4th and 17 videos above  
wigs in nyc : 5/7/2018 2:36 pm : link
I came across this video of the Giants helping to get Bobby Johnson his Superbowl ring back. It's really a must-watch for any fan, and a great reminder of the quality of the organization, and the Once-A-Giant, etc. sentiment.
Bobby Johnson gets his ring back - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Watch BBI get all upset  
bw in dc : 5/7/2018 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13956852 ron mexico said:
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when the Giants bring in a vet QB to camp.....



Jay Cutler is available


Jints Central, for all of their lunacy, is smart enough to avoid Cutler.

Maybe it's the diabetes, because that can impact your mood even if you are taking medication to manage that horrible disease, but Cutler just doesn't seem to have the leader factor to run that position in the NFL.
RE: RE: RE: Watch BBI get all upset  
Mike from Ohio : 5/7/2018 4:08 pm : link
In comment 13957128 bw in dc said:
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Jints Central, for all of their lunacy, is smart enough to avoid Cutler.


Unless of course John Mara ends up sitting next to Cutler on a flight and they become friends, and then Mara runs calls up Gettleman and insists he sign his new best friend.

That would be sooooooo Jints Central, amirite?
Simms era receivers  
giantsFC : 5/7/2018 4:36 pm : link
Mark Ingram was actually pretty talented. He exploded in Miami.

I can't even think of anyone else who was within the spectrum of a quality no1 WR.

Stacey Robinson was fire on the original Tecmo Bowl though.
RE: Simms era receivers  
bw in dc : 5/7/2018 7:08 pm : link
In comment 13957221 giantsFC said:
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Mark Ingram was actually pretty talented. He exploded in Miami.

I can't even think of anyone else who was within the spectrum of a quality no1 WR.

Stacey Robinson was fire on the original Tecmo Bowl though.


Lionel Manuel was close. He was really good in ‘88.

But your overall point is well taken.
Receivers definitely aren't as good as today's Giants  
SirLoinOfBeef : 5/7/2018 7:44 pm : link
but that O-Line back then?...

Oats
Goodfrey
Ard
Nelson
Benson

They were awesome. Joe Morris didn't suck either.
Webb and Kyle will be battling to  
NYSports1 : 5/7/2018 10:13 pm : link
be the future back up because none of those qb's have shown anything and chances are they won't

But they might have to start once Eli is cut and we will have plenty of terrible years to get a real qb.

Or Maybe Mara will have to trade 3 1's to get a qb who might be no better than Darnold, Rosen, Allen
Manuel was a solid possession receiver  
Greg from LI : 5/7/2018 10:17 pm : link
Not a big play guy, though. Odessa Turner always looked like a guy who had a lot of ability but he was injured most of the time.
Stephen Baker...  
bw in dc : 5/7/2018 10:33 pm : link
the Touchdown Maker. Guy was always making catches for big yardage. Just didn't get the ball enough. Then again, being 5'8" 150 lbs makes it tough to be a #1... ;)
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