in the form of Kyle Lauletta. I see a lot of Phil Simms in this kid who doesn't have a cannon of an arm but all the other intangibles. Pat Shurmur will be able to mold him to his liking.
Please check out this scouting report here and let me know what you this: https://twitter.com/OptimumScouting/status/990271990815748096
Kyle Lauletta Scouting Report - (
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Yes he did in fact his problem initially in his career because he had a cannon he tended to force things...
I thought that also after watching him. He looks like an Alex Smith.
Agree. Simms was a thrower. But just fairly immobile and fairly injury prone. But he had that Eli Manning ability to avoid and/or take a sack.
Kennel as in dog Kennel? Or Kanell? Either way they both played liked dogs, no pun intended.
Kidding aside, thanks for sharing but I think the people who feel strongly one way or the other about this pick (and the #2 overall pick) aren’t going to change their minds until they’re proven wrong on the field.
There’s some things to like about Lauletta but there are some weaknesses that are terrifying (not just to those fans against the pick - but to those many teams that passed on him multiple times).
In three years, my guess is Lauletta will not be the best of this QB draft class. I’d put wager 3rd or worse - beaten out by at least one of the top ten QBs we passed on, who winds up being a franchise QB. And that burns me up..
I personally think that Webb has a higher upside (since he certainly does have a gun and seems to be more athletic that Lauletta, who is no slouch himself). But we've got two guys who might become QBs of a winning Giants team.
No one's knows for sure which one! No concencus.
What is funny and odd.... Shurmur leaned toward Allen, which is more like Webb....but selected Lauletta based on accuracy.
Imagine if he'd had top-tier receivers. - ( New Window )
The only reason I can think of is that, since he's been retired for 25 years now, there are a lot of posters here who either never saw him play or were in kindergarten when he hung em up.
As stated, Simms had a spectacular arm. The wins at the old Meadowlands were considerably worse. And Simms could still knife the ball through it.
He reminds me a lot of Russell Wilson in that he puts as much air under the ball as he has to in any particular situation and throws a lot of guys open.
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That was a great view. It’s been so long. I forgot how good Simms could be. I love all those TE passes to Mowatt and Bavaro
The linked video showcases his arm, and some of those throws from the 80s are insane. So is his release. That reel offers an interesting contrast to his best-remembered performance, in SB XXI, where he was playing in perfect conditions, with great rotection, and mostly made touch throws. (There were a few laser beams too, including one to Robinson that is Elway/Marino-worthy.)
The 1979-81 Simms was a third persona: howitzer arm, good mobility, no clue what he was doing. He made ridiculous plays, in every sense of the word.
2 the way he threw seam passes
3 the fact that he lifted w/ the OL and could shrug off some sack attempts as a result
4 all the fist pumping and outward passion for the game; exciting player
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A solid process of quarterback succession management though does appear to have finally been established... one that cultivates patient development within a strong NFL system. It will hopefully be a system that enables a lowest common denominator quarterback, like a Case Keenum, to be successful in those years when the HOF franchise heir is not apparent.
In this approach, I could envision the Giants permanently keeping three young quarterbacks on the active roster and dedicating one draft pick or UDFA every year to the quarterback position depending on where the best value lies. So there is never an "heir apparent" by decree, but an "heir earned" by a process of darwinian selection. When a HOF franchise quarterback is ultimately revealed, the process remains in place and worthy challengers become valuable trade assets rather than successors - as the Patriots have successfully established during the Tom Brady era with value creating trades for quarterbacks like Cassell, Brissett and Garoppolo.
I was originally scratching my head with the Lauletta pick, but if the pick is an indication that the Giants are finally implementing a sensible and permanent quarterback succession process, then the pick may be just as valuable to our future as the Barkley/Hernandez/Carter picks.
The only reason I can think of is that, since he's been retired for 25 years now, there are a lot of posters here who either never saw him play or were in kindergarten when he hung em up.
The only "issue" with Simms there ever was ... is that he had a tendency to force the ball which resulted in some bad interceptions. But, that also generally happened when they were behind and he needed to force the ball.
The thing about Simms is:
1. He had a very strong arm.
2. His throws had a great touch ... the ball often floated softly into the receivers hands.
3. He was an incredibly accurate passer.
But he didn't have the assets around him that Manning has had in his career (or that Montana had in his) ... the Giants spent most of their high draft picks on defense (and remember there wasn't FA back then). And for the first 5 years or so of his career, the OL was pretty weak and he took incredible body shots - you didn't get flags thrown for roughing the passer back then ... and Simms would stand tall and get the throw off knowing he was about to be hit in the face and then body slammed to the ground.
He was really a great competitor and one of my all time favorite players.
Shurmer has made chicken salad out of chicken shit before, most recently with Case Keenum, so I'm interested to see his influence on all of the QB's on the roster.
Simms 4th & 17 v. Minn Vikings - ( New Window )
Good piece on the MIN game in 1986, with some crazy background. - ( New Window )
And yeah, until his very last season, a tight end was the best receiver Simms ever had to throw to. Even then, Mike Sherrard was merely a good WR. Eli has had at least five receivers better than Sherrard - Beckham, Cruz, Nicks, Toomer, Burress. As most know but some younger posters may not, Simms is the QB Bill Walsh wanted the most in the 1979 draft. Had he played in a different offense with more talent, I am 100% certain that he'd be in Canton right now.
Jay Cutler is available
I still haven’t forgiven Parcells for the Brunner decision in 1983. But the most telling part of that story may be Young’s flat refusal to trade Simms for less than he was worth after Phil reportedly went batshit. Young’s response was something along the lines of “Calm down, and get your ass back to practice. You’re still my quarterback.”
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when the Giants bring in a vet QB to camp.....
Jay Cutler is available
So is Colin Kaepernick.
Bobby Johnson gets his ring back - ( New Window )
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when the Giants bring in a vet QB to camp.....
Jay Cutler is available
Jints Central, for all of their lunacy, is smart enough to avoid Cutler.
Maybe it's the diabetes, because that can impact your mood even if you are taking medication to manage that horrible disease, but Cutler just doesn't seem to have the leader factor to run that position in the NFL.
Jints Central, for all of their lunacy, is smart enough to avoid Cutler.
Unless of course John Mara ends up sitting next to Cutler on a flight and they become friends, and then Mara runs calls up Gettleman and insists he sign his new best friend.
That would be sooooooo Jints Central, amirite?
I can't even think of anyone else who was within the spectrum of a quality no1 WR.
Stacey Robinson was fire on the original Tecmo Bowl though.
I can't even think of anyone else who was within the spectrum of a quality no1 WR.
Stacey Robinson was fire on the original Tecmo Bowl though.
Lionel Manuel was close. He was really good in ‘88.
But your overall point is well taken.
Oats
Goodfrey
Ard
Nelson
Benson
They were awesome. Joe Morris didn't suck either.
But they might have to start once Eli is cut and we will have plenty of terrible years to get a real qb.
Or Maybe Mara will have to trade 3 1's to get a qb who might be no better than Darnold, Rosen, Allen