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Osi is not a fan of how much QBs get paid

EddieNYG : 5/7/2018 8:12 am
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@OsiUmenyiora

Also, these Quarterbacks, that have made 100s of millions of dollars, not wanting to help or groom the next generation is just plain pathetic. How much is enough?

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He has a point  
UberAlias : 5/7/2018 8:13 am : link
It's become excessive.
He (and Strahan)  
JonC : 5/7/2018 8:15 am : link
were often the first to be d**ks about their contracts and how it was no one else's business.
RE: He (and Strahan)  
Big Blue '56 : 5/7/2018 8:16 am : link
In comment 13956536 JonC said:
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were often the first to be d**ks about their contracts and how it was no one else's business.


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I don't see him complaining about QB salaries there  
jcn56 : 5/7/2018 8:17 am : link
He's taking a shot at BR's refusal to mentor his eventual replacement, and he's right.
It is getting absurd..  
Sean : 5/7/2018 8:18 am : link
QB hell is paying Matt Ryan $30M per year.
15-20% of a teams cap space for a QB  
AnnapolisMike : 5/7/2018 8:18 am : link
is quite a bit. But that is the market at the moment until teams figure out they can win without paying a QB that kind of money.
It is crazy how much non-elite QB like Matt Ryan make  
Steve in South Jersey : 5/7/2018 8:18 am : link
You have pay to elite QBs though.
Those salaries hurt their team  
UberAlias : 5/7/2018 8:21 am : link
It was a huge benefit for the Pats having Brady signed to less than market deals all those years.
Jcn  
lightemup : 5/7/2018 8:29 am : link
is right. He's not complaining about their salaries. I can't see how you all take it for that. Clearly its a shot at the qbs that want no part in grooming their replacements. Osi is right, it is pathetic that a 35 year old qb wouldn't help a young kkid coming up
the sad reality is  
giantfan2000 : 5/7/2018 8:31 am : link
Eli has been paid the second most money in NFL history
Peyton is # 1

For for the past few years we are paying a QB who is seriously past his prime a huge percent of our cap space . .this has translated in a lack of ability to add depth to our team
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dep026 : 5/7/2018 8:33 am : link
In comment 13956557 giantfan2000 said:
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Eli has been paid the second most money in NFL history
Peyton is # 1

For for the past few years we are paying a QB who is seriously past his prime a huge percent of our cap space . .this has translated in a lack of ability to add depth to our team


Actually horrific drafting is that reason. The reason we have needed to spend is because Reese will go down as one of the worst drafting GMs in recent memory. Yes he hit on a couple picks. But the lack of finding ANYTHING in round 3-7 has hamstrung this team for years.
GF...  
Giant John : 5/7/2018 8:57 am : link
I donít see Eli as ďseriously past his primeĒ. Matter of opinion I suppose. But 30mm a year is silly for any position in any sport. Most of us work just as hard in our jobs but will never see that kind of money in our careers. Life is what it is.
RE: I don't see him complaining about QB salaries there  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/7/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 13956539 jcn56 said:
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He's taking a shot at BR's refusal to mentor his eventual replacement, and he's right.


This.


It seems pretty clear that this is more of a shot at Ben than a commentary on QB salaries in general.
RE: It is getting absurd..  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/7/2018 9:34 am : link
In comment 13956540 Sean said:
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QB hell is paying Matt Ryan $30M per year.


We should be grateful we have a two time SB MVP with ice water in his veins making almost half that choker who the GM and owner bend over backwards to help and not throw under the bus.
If QBs truly are overpaid  
Metnut : 5/7/2018 9:37 am : link
then itís just a matter of time until GMs start paying them less.
RE: Jcn  
WillVAB : 5/7/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 13956554 lightemup said:
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is right. He's not complaining about their salaries. I can't see how you all take it for that. Clearly its a shot at the qbs that want no part in grooming their replacements. Osi is right, it is pathetic that a 35 year old qb wouldn't help a young kkid coming up


I donít think itís that cut and dry. If a team drafts a DE, thereís no issue bc thereís plenty of snaps and packages to get everyone on the field. Thereís only one guy at the QB spot. If the veteran feels he has time left, grooming the young QB would be like training him to take his job. Would you be cool with your company bringing in someone younger/cheaper and forcing you to train that person to take your job?

On itís face the optics are bad but itís understandable.
RE: I don't see him complaining about QB salaries there  
T-Bone : 5/7/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 13956539 jcn56 said:
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He's taking a shot at BR's refusal to mentor his eventual replacement, and he's right.


The way I read it as well.
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BigBlueShock : 5/7/2018 9:53 am : link
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is right. He's not complaining about their salaries. I can't see how you all take it for that. Clearly its a shot at the qbs that want no part in grooming their replacements. Osi is right, it is pathetic that a 35 year old qb wouldn't help a young kkid coming up



I donít think itís that cut and dry. If a team drafts a DE, thereís no issue bc thereís plenty of snaps and packages to get everyone on the field. Thereís only one guy at the QB spot. If the veteran feels he has time left, grooming the young QB would be like training him to take his job. Would you be cool with your company bringing in someone younger/cheaper and forcing you to train that person to take your job?

On itís face the optics are bad but itís understandable.

Well if I knew I would be retiring soon and the plan was to get someone else trained so that there is a smooth transition after I left, of course Iíd have no problem training the next guy. Especially if had had been running my mouth to everyone that would listen that I may retire at any moment, which Ben has done several times.
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christian : 5/7/2018 9:56 am : link
Osi isn't talking about overpaid, he's clearly saying if you are paid part of it is helping along the depth chart.

Tuck, Kiwi, JPP, Tollefson, etc. have all had great things to say about Osi as their guy, even when he was trying to get his.
It's a fine line..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/7/2018 9:56 am : link
on what to do to groom a replacement and what is competitive fire.

If Ben wants to stick around in the NFL as a coach when he retires, maybe grooming a successor plays into that legacy. If he wants to own a bar and put in bathroom trap doors to rape people in the basement, he likely doesn't give a fuck.
I agree it's a fine line...  
T-Bone : 5/7/2018 10:21 am : link
and I've never much had an issue with an incumbent QB saying that it's not his job to prepare the next guy. I actually agree 100% with that statement.

But theres's a difference between how someone like Big Ben and Favre have done it as opposed to if someone like Eli said this and that's them constantly hinting at retirement at the end (and sometimes during) the season and then whining when the team prepares itself for when that time finally comes because as far as they know it can happen at any time on a whim. That's the very height of selfishness. To suggest that the team would've been better off drafting someone that can help them 'right now'... when they have a chance to secure a QB of the future... is beyond selfish... ESPECIALLY when that QB was not even drafted in the 1st round.

As others have pointed out, OSI isn't talking about how  
baadbill : 5/7/2018 10:21 am : link
much QBs get paid.

But on the subject of compensation, the value society places on entertainers, as reflected in their compensation, is completely out of whack ... and is, frankly, offensive.

Of course, as between compensating the individual entertainer/athlete versus providing a windfall to his/her corporate employer, I'll go with the individual entertainer every time. The problem is society compensating the entertainment industry - probably the result of our tremendous need for relief from stress... the merry-go-round of life.
Ask  
Gman11 : 5/7/2018 10:31 am : link
Brett Favre what he thinks.
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WillVAB : 5/7/2018 10:32 am : link
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is right. He's not complaining about their salaries. I can't see how you all take it for that. Clearly its a shot at the qbs that want no part in grooming their replacements. Osi is right, it is pathetic that a 35 year old qb wouldn't help a young kkid coming up



I donít think itís that cut and dry. If a team drafts a DE, thereís no issue bc thereís plenty of snaps and packages to get everyone on the field. Thereís only one guy at the QB spot. If the veteran feels he has time left, grooming the young QB would be like training him to take his job. Would you be cool with your company bringing in someone younger/cheaper and forcing you to train that person to take your job?

On itís face the optics are bad but itís understandable.


Well if I knew I would be retiring soon and the plan was to get someone else trained so that there is a smooth transition after I left, of course Iíd have no problem training the next guy. Especially if had had been running my mouth to everyone that would listen that I may retire at any moment, which Ben has done several times.


Ben said he wants to play 3-5 more years which doesnít qualify as ďretiring soon.Ē That timeline means the rookie is a backup for his entire rookie deal.

Ben is definitely a jackass for plenty of other reasons, but I canít really fault any professional (in any job) for not grooming their replacement if they donít see retirement on the horizon.
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T-Bone : 5/7/2018 10:43 am : link
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is right. He's not complaining about their salaries. I can't see how you all take it for that. Clearly its a shot at the qbs that want no part in grooming their replacements. Osi is right, it is pathetic that a 35 year old qb wouldn't help a young kkid coming up



I donít think itís that cut and dry. If a team drafts a DE, thereís no issue bc thereís plenty of snaps and packages to get everyone on the field. Thereís only one guy at the QB spot. If the veteran feels he has time left, grooming the young QB would be like training him to take his job. Would you be cool with your company bringing in someone younger/cheaper and forcing you to train that person to take your job?

On itís face the optics are bad but itís understandable.


Well if I knew I would be retiring soon and the plan was to get someone else trained so that there is a smooth transition after I left, of course Iíd have no problem training the next guy. Especially if had had been running my mouth to everyone that would listen that I may retire at any moment, which Ben has done several times.



Ben said he wants to play 3-5 more years which doesnít qualify as ďretiring soon.Ē That timeline means the rookie is a backup for his entire rookie deal.

Ben is definitely a jackass for plenty of other reasons, but I canít really fault any professional (in any job) for not grooming their replacement if they donít see retirement on the horizon.


But I believe he said that AFTER Rudolph was drafted (wanting to play 3-5 more years). Before that he hinted at retirement immediately after this past season and had done so several times both during and after previous seasons.

He wants to say he has no plans to help the new guy? I donít have much of a problem with that.

But then he goes on to say he doesnít understand why they didnít draft someone to help THEM (as if heís really cared about how his teammates are and have been affected by his constant ĎIím thinking about retiring... no Iím not!í back and forth) right now. To me thatís a deliberate passive-aggressive way to attempt to turn his teammates against the kid as well... which is pretty fucked up if you ask me.
Being part of a team  
jcn56 : 5/7/2018 11:31 am : link
mandates that you do what you can to help junior team members develop and succeed. That's applies regardless of the team in question, whether a team of engineer or football players.

In football, it's even worse - each of these junior players, even if they don't factor prominently in the short term plans of the team, are always one big hit from seeing the field. The QB position is the most important - which raises the value of that backup QB tremendously. Starting QB goes down, typically, the fortunes of that team go right down with him.

The QB is typically the highest paid player on the team. He's usually considered to be a, if not THE, leader and team captain. Going out and publicly stating that he has no intention of helping out his backup in learning the ropes because he intends to keep playing for another 5 years (put aside how ridiculous that sounds for a second) is selfishness that takes the team concept and shits all over it, for his own personal gain.

If Eli ever made that statement publicly I'd be done with him. Luckily for us, that doesn't seem like it could ever be the case. Even if he were thinking it (which I doubt), he'd never be so stupid as to put it out there in writing.
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BestFeature : 5/7/2018 11:35 am : link
In comment 13956611 WillVAB said:
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is right. He's not complaining about their salaries. I can't see how you all take it for that. Clearly its a shot at the qbs that want no part in grooming their replacements. Osi is right, it is pathetic that a 35 year old qb wouldn't help a young kkid coming up



I don’t think itís that cut and dry. If a team drafts a DE, thereís no issue bc thereís plenty of snaps and packages to get everyone on the field. Thereís only one guy at the QB spot. If the veteran feels he has time left, grooming the young QB would be like training him to take his job. Would you be cool with your company bringing in someone younger/cheaper and forcing you to train that person to take your job?

On itís face the optics are bad but itís understandable.


This happens all the time though in real world jobs though and people making 60k a year deal with it.
RE: 15-20% of a teams cap space for a QB  
old man : 5/7/2018 11:43 am : link
In comment 13956541 AnnapolisMike said:
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is quite a bit. But that is the market at the moment until teams figure out they can win without paying a QB that kind of money.


Have a health industry business on the side @ 10M/,yr?
RE: I don't see him complaining about QB salaries there  
FStubbs : 5/7/2018 11:43 am : link
In comment 13956539 jcn56 said:
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He's taking a shot at BR's refusal to mentor his eventual replacement, and he's right.


Basically, this.
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WillVAB : 5/7/2018 11:55 am : link
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is right. He's not complaining about their salaries. I can't see how you all take it for that. Clearly its a shot at the qbs that want no part in grooming their replacements. Osi is right, it is pathetic that a 35 year old qb wouldn't help a young kkid coming up



I donít think itís that cut and dry. If a team drafts a DE, thereís no issue bc thereís plenty of snaps and packages to get everyone on the field. Thereís only one guy at the QB spot. If the veteran feels he has time left, grooming the young QB would be like training him to take his job. Would you be cool with your company bringing in someone younger/cheaper and forcing you to train that person to take your job?

On itís face the optics are bad but itís understandable.


Well if I knew I would be retiring soon and the plan was to get someone else trained so that there is a smooth transition after I left, of course Iíd have no problem training the next guy. Especially if had had been running my mouth to everyone that would listen that I may retire at any moment, which Ben has done several times.



Ben said he wants to play 3-5 more years which doesnít qualify as ďretiring soon.Ē That timeline means the rookie is a backup for his entire rookie deal.

Ben is definitely a jackass for plenty of other reasons, but I canít really fault any professional (in any job) for not grooming their replacement if they donít see retirement on the horizon.



But I believe he said that AFTER Rudolph was drafted (wanting to play 3-5 more years). Before that he hinted at retirement immediately after this past season and had done so several times both during and after previous seasons.

He wants to say he has no plans to help the new guy? I donít have much of a problem with that.

But then he goes on to say he doesnít understand why they didnít draft someone to help THEM (as if heís really cared about how his teammates are and have been affected by his constant ĎIím thinking about retiring... no Iím not!í back and forth) right now. To me thatís a deliberate passive-aggressive way to attempt to turn his teammates against the kid as well... which is pretty fucked up if you ask me.


I hear you, but Iím addressing the specific point of ďgrooming the rookie QB.Ē This issue comes up from time to time and will become more prevalent as the teams of older QBs (Brees, Brady, Rivers, etc) acquire young QBs.

If a guy has one or two years left on a deal and thinks he can play for another 5-6 years, I really canít blame him for investing his time and energy into himself and the team on the field (not the future of the team).
RE: Being part of a team  
bw in dc : 5/7/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13956776 jcn56 said:
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mandates that you do what you can to help junior team members develop and succeed. That's applies regardless of the team in question, whether a team of engineer or football players.



Really? Tell that to Alex Smith. He has the best season of his career and is cited and applauded for helping Mahomes. The reward? He's sent packing. So this thought that players owe it to the team to groom other players - their back-ups - is preposterous. That is why a team has double digit coaches.

This league is one sided to allow teams this incredible discretion to cut players on a whim because most of the money is not guaranteed. There is no loyalty on the management side. So I have zero problem, specifically with a solo act like QB, not be willing to help out his replacement.



The QB position owes n
RE: He (and Strahan)  
UConn4523 : 5/7/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13956536 JonC said:
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were often the first to be d**ks about their contracts and how it was no one else's business.


I donít think one has to do with the other. They are also older and wiser so I wouldnít let hat stand in the way of them making a valid point.

Sooner or later the QB market will take a hit. The contracts are absurd.
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BestFeature : 5/7/2018 12:04 pm : link
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mandates that you do what you can to help junior team members develop and succeed. That's applies regardless of the team in question, whether a team of engineer or football players.





Really? Tell that to Alex Smith. He has the best season of his career and is cited and applauded for helping Mahomes. The reward? He's sent packing. So this thought that players owe it to the team to groom other players - their back-ups - is preposterous. That is why a team has double digit coaches.

This league is one sided to allow teams this incredible discretion to cut players on a whim because most of the money is not guaranteed. There is no loyalty on the management side. So I have zero problem, specifically with a solo act like QB, not be willing to help out his replacement.



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You've never been let go and asked to stay on for a few weeks to help with the transition? It's happening to me right now and just happened to my colleague.
I should have been  
Doomster : 5/7/2018 12:04 pm : link
an actor, and get 30M per picture(Depp,Reeves).....without getting hit.....
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jcn56 : 5/7/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13956822 bw in dc said:
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mandates that you do what you can to help junior team members develop and succeed. That's applies regardless of the team in question, whether a team of engineer or football players.





Really? Tell that to Alex Smith. He has the best season of his career and is cited and applauded for helping Mahomes. The reward? He's sent packing. So this thought that players owe it to the team to groom other players - their back-ups - is preposterous. That is why a team has double digit coaches.

This league is one sided to allow teams this incredible discretion to cut players on a whim because most of the money is not guaranteed. There is no loyalty on the management side. So I have zero problem, specifically with a solo act like QB, not be willing to help out his replacement.



The QB position owes n


This has nothing to do with loyalty - which, btw - doesn't exist on either end. If it did, you'd see QBs taking below market deals to help the team (and don't mention Brady's cap circumventing nonsense).

Alex Smith is a prime example. He knew he was being phased out. He knew his behavior was on display, and that he wanted to continue playing. He did his job, did it well, and parlayed it into another high paying deal elsewhere.

If Smith had decided not to play ball, was there any chance Mahomes wasn't going to replace him anyway? Of course not.
RE: I should have been  
Joey in VA : 5/7/2018 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13956844 Doomster said:
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an actor, and get 30M per picture(Depp,Reeves).....without getting hit.....
The only movie you are fit for is Armageddon with an alternate ending where everyone dies.
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bw in dc : 5/7/2018 12:15 pm : link
In comment 13956843 BestFeature said:
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You've never been let go and asked to stay on for a few weeks to help with the transition? It's happening to me right now and just happened to my colleague.


Yes, but that's in conjunction with a promise of a severance payout, or in the individual's separate severance agreement.

But that's not an apt comparison to this. Ben wasn't told by management - at least nothing reported - that, "hey, this is your last year. We are going with the new guy. So can you please help us out with getting him ready?"
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BestFeature : 5/7/2018 12:27 pm : link
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You've never been let go and asked to stay on for a few weeks to help with the transition? It's happening to me right now and just happened to my colleague.



Yes, but that's in conjunction with a promise of a severance payout, or in the individual's separate severance agreement.

But that's not an apt comparison to this. Ben wasn't told by management - at least nothing reported - that, "hey, this is your last year. We are going with the new guy. So can you please help us out with getting him ready?"


How would that be better?
Its just keeping pace..  
Eli_vate : 5/7/2018 12:40 pm : link
with what the salary cap era is and as it moves up. After Kirk, Ryan.. all of the 35+ Franchise QB suddenly look cheap.
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T-Bone : 5/7/2018 12:49 pm : link
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an actor, and get 30M per picture(Depp,Reeves).....without getting hit.....

The only movie you are fit for is Armageddon with an alternate ending where everyone dies.


LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Funniest post I've read on here in years!
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