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Anyone remember this quote from Shurmur:

joeinpa : 5/7/2018 10:52 am
Something to the affect that, "In today's game, on extended drives, you almost always are going to have your quarterback make a play with his feet"

I took that to mean getting a first down with his legs.

Not something Eli is going to do. Yet according to Papa today, the Barkley pick and the passing on a quarterback was predicated on the idea Giants could win another Super Bowl with Eli in the next three seasons

After making this commitment to Eli, and knowing he does not make plays with his legs, it seems surprising that Shurmur would share this.
Eli can use his feet to extend plays in the pocket  
adamg : 5/7/2018 11:00 am : link
That's what he means
joeinpa  
Still a Sam Huff fan : 5/7/2018 11:03 am : link
It might not completely reference a running QB. It could mean escaping a rush by stepping up into the pocket or avoiding the rush by moving right or left. For example, on the Tyree throw, he used his feet.
In 2016, Sam Bradford  
ZogZerg : 5/7/2018 11:11 am : link
had 20 rushes for 53 yards - 1.3 ypc.

Bradford had a completion percentage of 71.6% (NFL Record at the time) for 3,877 yards, 20 TDs, 5 picks in 15 games.

I think Eli can be just fine in a Shurmur offense without being a "running qb".
Brady and Montana were masters of this...  
Matt G : 5/7/2018 11:21 am : link
Neither were going to beat you running the ball but both were fantastic at using their footwork slide within the pocket creating an extra 1-1.5 secs for their receivers to run open...

Eliís footwork is usually indicative of his play at the time
Scratch that comment  
ZogZerg : 5/7/2018 11:21 am : link
Shurmur took over in November and it was Turners offense.
He pointed out  
jvm52106 : 5/7/2018 11:21 am : link
(on an interview recently) that he wants a QB to be able able to make plays with his legs, stepping up, step away etc. from pressure to make a throw. He then mentioned how tackles will sometimes have guys running wide and they need to push their guy past the QB and the QB helps the tackle by stepping up. He went on to mention how being stout in the middle of the line was essential for that to happen.

I suspect they see Eli as having been cursed with bad tackles and weak interior making his lack of pure athleticism that much more magnified. In many ways the Giants let their Oline completely fall apart through nothing more than mismanagement and mismatching skills.
Go watch some of the phase 1 mini camp clips.  
Diver_Down : 5/7/2018 11:26 am : link
There were plays with Eli running a designed roll-out. I made my usual snarky comment that BBI said Eli can't move yet here he was on tape throwing on the run just fine. Just more evidence that doesn't fit the BBI narrative that Eli is a statue.
I think you are tying things together which are separate  
UberAlias : 5/7/2018 11:29 am : link
They clearly feel they can win with Eli. To what extent we can take that to mean, who knows, but the bottom line is they feel good enough about Eli that they do not see the need to address starting QB. He gave them the option to go in a different direction. Is he the ideal in terms of what PS wants? Perhaps not. But why should it come down to one thing? Eli has won 2 superbowls and has never been a scrambler.

Now as far as the QBs go, now that we have the answer, we can dispel a few of the myths. It is not that they did not like any of the QBs. The did. But the issue was, there was no consensus on who they liked. So circling back to their remarks about having to be certain, therein lies the uncertainty. Lack of consensus for any one individual QB.

There was no such issue with Barkley -everyone liked him, so that's how they played it.

That's really all there is to it.
Im not sure  
bigbluefan85 : 5/7/2018 11:44 am : link
But if I remember correctly Webb has pretty good mobility right?
Eli can still do those things  
SHO'NUFF : 5/7/2018 11:51 am : link
if he has room to sidestep and move.
First thing this OL has to do,  
Doomster : 5/7/2018 11:53 am : link
is reset the clock in Eli's head......

Eli was not using his feet, because his clock said pressure was coming, when sometimes it wasn't, and Eli did not even attempt to extend plays....there were times he threw the ball away or took a dive, when there was time to move in the pocket...

The only way that happens, the line has to demonstrate to Eli he doesn't have to get rid of the ball in under 2 seconds....
RE: Go watch some of the phase 1 mini camp clips.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/7/2018 11:56 am : link
In comment 13956770 Diver_Down said:
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There were plays with Eli running a designed roll-out. I made my usual snarky comment that BBI said Eli can't move yet here he was on tape throwing on the run just fine. Just more evidence that doesn't fit the BBI narrative that Eli is a statue.


Eli has occasionally run a designed rollout. It's not uncommon even in the Gilbride yeats. And anyone who watched him play in college would tell you he did it a LOT more then.

I'm not sure rollouts or bootlegs are really what people mean when they refer to his general ability to be mobile if he has to.

He's not Drew Bledsoe or Kerry Collins, but he's not someone that should ever be running unless he's 15 yards clear.
RE: Eli can use his feet to extend plays in the pocket  
Jay in Toronto : 5/7/2018 11:56 am : link
In comment 13956736 adamg said:
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That's what he means


Everyone remembers the Tyree catch for the catch. I remember it for Eli's feet and his form of escapability.
Yea  
joeinpa : 5/7/2018 12:15 pm : link
Making feet with your feet doesn't have to mean running for first downs

Good pt which I considered. Just wondering how others saw it
Eli moves fine within the pocket...  
Slade : 5/7/2018 12:16 pm : link
He hasn't had a pocket in 4 years...
Eli worked hard last season . . . .  
TC : 5/7/2018 12:21 pm : link
to be more mobile. It was obvious at the start of the season that he had trained to that desired result. And I thought he WAS more mobile. But given last year's ridiculously bad offense, it was like trying to hide behind a blade of grass in a shit storm.
Just to add  
gmen9892 : 5/7/2018 12:21 pm : link
Eli looked fine on making a TD run last year in Tampa. Eli can make plays with his feet when it is absolutely needed. Its not a large part of his game, just like its not for Brady, Ryan, Flacco, Goff, Rivers, and the current day Big Ben.

The best thing about Shurmur is his ability to get the most out of whatever pieces he has. He is flexible, which is something we havent seen in many years, even with TC.
I took it to me run a couple yards if neccesary  
Blue21 : 5/7/2018 1:25 pm : link
. It sounds pretty straight forward to me.
I am excited to see what  
TrueBlue56 : 5/7/2018 1:44 pm : link
shurmur will do with this offense. He has so many pieces to work with. I really feel that we will see what this offense is capable of doing and defenses are going to have a very hard time deciding what to defend.

As far as his comment, I just take it as pocket awareness, being able to slide in the pocket and extend plays, which Eli can do when he has half way decent protection
ELI is very adept in moving around in the pocket  
TMS : 5/7/2018 2:33 pm : link
and getting rid of the ball if he has some breathing room. Which he has not had most of the time. Terrible player selections the past 6/7 years by the front office. Drop back QBS need OL help.He never got it. The arrogant incompetent Reese and Ross were here 5 years too long. MO
Just curious...  
Milton : 5/7/2018 4:28 pm : link
If Eli falls under the category of a QB who can make plays with his feet, who are the QBs who can't make plays with their feet?
I think people are confusing  
Giants_West : 5/7/2018 5:51 pm : link
His thoughts on his approach to finding the next quarterback with his willingness to work with a proven commodity. Maybe he doesn't like having Eli foist upon him but this quote and the specific nature of how he has talked or will talk about Webb/Lauletta is not proof of this by any stretch. It is unlikely we will know for sure what Shurmur thinks of Eli until at least the preseason but most likely not until we get to Week 1. If Eli is out there once again running an offense that seems tailored to a skill set that he doesn't possess we'll have our answer.
RE: Eli can use his feet to extend plays in the pocket  
Jim in NH : 5/7/2018 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13956736 adamg said:
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That's what he means


Eli Manning will not be starting after game 5 or 6.
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