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Thoughts on Packers "cluster" drafting a certain position?

NYG27 : 5/7/2018 2:21 pm
In 2017 Draft, the Packers had a need at RB and in the 4th to 7th rounds drafted three RBs.

4th Round - Jamaal Williams
5th Round - Aaron Jones
7th Round - Devante Mays

In 2018 Draft, the Packers had a need at WR and in the 4th to 6th rounds drafted three WRs.

4th Round - J'Mon Moore
5th Round - Marquez Valdes-Scantling
6th Round - Equanimeous St. Brown

Overall it's an interesting way to tackle addressing a need but in my opinion, just looks like a waste of draft picks in the mid to late rounds.
My only thought on the  
Justlurking : 5/7/2018 2:25 pm : link
WRs is that they seem to fit in perfectly here:
must have been honorable mention - ( New Window )
I've read many pro personnel say  
JonC : 5/7/2018 2:27 pm : link
need becomes a heavier factor after the first 2-3 rounds, which might match up with your premise.
Without looking  
Sy'56 : 5/7/2018 2:31 pm : link
Name one WR on the GB roster other than Randall Cobb and Davante Adams.

And Cobb is a FA after 2018.

Next year they'll draft six  
Larry in Pencilvania : 5/7/2018 2:32 pm : link
punters
RE: Without looking  
Simms2McConkey : 5/7/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13957073 Sy'56 said:
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Name one WR on the GB roster other than Randall Cobb and Davante Adams.

And Cobb is a FA after 2018.


Geronimo Allison? I couldn't give you a second name.
RE: Without looking  
Moose and Fury : 5/7/2018 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13957073 Sy'56 said:
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Name one WR on the GB roster other than Randall Cobb and Davante Adams.

And Cobb is a FA after 2018.


Geronimo Allison got a lot of snaps last year, I knew him. Other than that it was just Cobb, Adams, and the draftees.

But the Giants' situation looks even worse from a depth perspective! Not many casual fans could name any receivers on our team beyond OBJ and Sterling.
Sy, good question  
NYG27 : 5/7/2018 2:42 pm : link
I could only think of Jeff Janis but after looking it up, looks like he joined the Browns this off-season.
Considering the Pack  
MadPlaid : 5/7/2018 2:49 pm : link
used picks in the 4th, 5th and 6th rounds to address the WR position, I think they did pretty well. All three are high potential players. Brown especially if you ask me.
RE: Without looking  
Thegratefulhead : 5/7/2018 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13957073 Sy'56 said:
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Name one WR on the GB roster other than Randall Cobb and Davante Adams.

And Cobb is a FA after 2018.
Not many teams exist that I can name their 3rd receiver. Not sure there is anything to be gleamed from that.
Packers  
Mr. Nickels : 5/7/2018 2:59 pm : link
also went Corner first 2 picks Jaire Alexander and Joshua Jackson after spending a 2nd last year on Kevin King as well
RE: RE: Without looking  
YAJ2112 : 5/7/2018 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13957104 Thegratefulhead said:
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In comment 13957073 Sy'56 said:


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Name one WR on the GB roster other than Randall Cobb and Davante Adams.

And Cobb is a FA after 2018.


Not many teams exist that I can name their 3rd receiver. Not sure there is anything to be gleamed from that.


I'd guess you could gleam the cube.
Giants clusters at top of draft  
Steve in South Jersey : 5/7/2018 3:02 pm : link
in 1982 the Giants drafted these two RB to start off the draft.

1 - Butch Woolfolk
2 - Joe Morris

in 1988 the Giants drafted these two as OT to start off the draft.

1 - Eric Moore
2 - John Elliott

I think in both cases the second player drafted was better.

When you look at the hit rate  
Larry from WV : 5/7/2018 3:18 pm : link
It isn't a terrible idea if you have a need you can't fill other ways. I remember the Giants Cluster drafting at DB with the Will's several years back. But of them became starters which helped remove a glaring weakness on the team.
how many makes a 'cluster'?  
giants#1 : 5/7/2018 3:19 pm : link
They went CB in rounds 1 and 2 this year, which (IMO) is far more significant an investment than 3 late picks on RB/WR.

And if you have a need, why not? Odds of hitting on a single late round pick are low, but if you spend multiple (late) picks on players at the same position, then your odds of filling that need increase substantially.
Packers...  
bw in dc : 5/7/2018 4:08 pm : link
had 11 picks this year and 10 last year.

When you that volume of opportunities, I think the cluster approach makes some sense.
The 49ers under Bill Walsh were king....  
MOOPS : 5/7/2018 4:44 pm : link
of cluster picks. In 1981 4 of their first 5 picks were DBs.
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RE: The 49ers under Bill Walsh were king....  
bw in dc : 5/7/2018 4:49 pm : link
In comment 13957230 MOOPS said:
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of cluster picks. In 1981 4 of their first 5 picks were DBs. Link - ( New Window )


Lott, Williamson, and Wright were all pro bowlers to boot...

And I think there was a year when all four DBs, including Dwight Hicks, made the pro bowl in one year...but I'm not totally certain.
RE: Giants clusters at top of draft  
bluepepper : 5/7/2018 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13957120 Steve in South Jersey said:
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in 1982 the Giants drafted these two RB to start off the draft.

1 - Butch Woolfolk
2 - Joe Morris

in 1988 the Giants drafted these two as OT to start off the draft.

1 - Eric Moore
2 - John Elliott

I think in both cases the second player drafted was better.

1987 -
1 - Mark Ingram
3- Stephen Baker
4 - Odessa Turner


Was a different era though. You could keep guys forever so you didn't have to spend picks replacing guys who left via FA.
I think it makes sense when you have  
ZogZerg : 5/7/2018 5:01 pm : link
11 Draft picks.
You hope to hit on one and if you hit on 2 you are golden.
If the need is there I think it makes sense later in the draft.  
yatqb : 5/7/2018 5:19 pm : link
That's a time when need often coincides with grade, since so many players have similar grades at that stage of the draft.
Who cares?  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/7/2018 5:21 pm : link
The fudge Packers have the most over rate FO and coaching staff, they won as many SBs as Ravens in the last 10 years or so. Even the Giants fell for it and payed a tremendous price.
Cluster picks are fine if you have the picks  
Ivan15 : 5/7/2018 8:58 pm : link
Hard to do when you keep trading 4th round picks to move up in the 3rd round
Cluster drafting is often just a response to your draft board....  
Milton : 5/7/2018 9:15 pm : link
Especially in the later rounds where you can be deciding between A, B, and C in round 4 and you choose A only to find that both B and C are still available in round 5 so you select B and then C is still around in round 6.

In 2003, the Giants had a bunch of 6th and 7th round comp picks and used three of them on WRs: Willie Ponder, David Tyree, and Kevin Walter. Ponder and Tyree made the final 53, but Walter was cut and ultimately went on to have the most productive career of the three (although I have no complaints about Tyree).

In 1982 the Giants selected RB Butch Woolfolk in round one and RB Joe Morris in round two. Morris had the better career.

In 1988 the Giants selected OT Eric Moore in round one and OT Jumbo Elliott in round two. Both had good careers, but Moore was moved to guard while Elliott was a Pro Bowl left tackle.

In 1992 the Giants selected TE Derek Brown in round one and TE Aaron Pierce in round two. Pierce had the better career.

So it pays to cluster draft.
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