I was thinking about this.....Do you think we knew at that time that Barkley was the target? DG knows Stewart and knows what he brings to the table. The signing didn't really make a ton of sense and makes a little less sense now that we have Barkley. We don't have a lot of experience or success in the RB room so maybe that was the reason?
Good pt. Even without Barkley, there is a lot of youth and inexperience in the room.
Stewart was likely brought in half knowing he'd be the perfect compliment to Barkley on and off the field.
I doubt DG operates as carelessly as signing player A for the sole purpose of mentoring Player B, when you're not in a position to guarantee player B will be available for you to draft.
Rather, Stewart is probably a guy Gettleman really learned to like while in Carolina and with Shula brought on to the staff (many think to coordinate the run game), Stewart can be a coach on the field, contribute short yardage/goal line and provide another solid veteran for a locker room which was shit last season and if they were fortunate enough to get Barkley. help mentor him.
At least, we should hope they didn't.
Perkins may be they odd man out. Gallman showed more in one year than Perkins has in 2 years. Stewart will get short yardage and be a mentor to Bark-man.
+1. Not so much to mentor Barkley specifically, but to mentor any RB they drafted. I'm guessing had the Browns gone Barkley we were still looking at RB relatively high.
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presence to not only provide some stability, but also some mentoring to a largely inexperienced RB room. Had they not drafted Barkley, it was likely they would have probably picked up an RB in a later round, so that was probably part of the consideration.
+1. Not so much to mentor Barkley specifically, but to mentor any RB they drafted. I'm guessing had the Browns gone Barkley we were still looking at RB relatively high.
This
I disagree. Only fans felt Cleveland would go Barkley #1 and risk missing out on their top QB.
Just like when the Giants signed Warner to mentor Eli. It didn't work, Eli was like a caged animal on the sideline, Warner was trying to resurrect his career (and grew bitter when it didn't work out).
Stewart will be out there busting his balls, trying to keep Barkley on the bench - it's competition (if he gives him a few pointers, that's a plus)
(Difference between Stewart and Warner - Warner is an A**).
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don't believe so. At the time we signed Stewart it appeared that Barkley had a strong chance of going 1/1.
I disagree. Only fans felt Cleveland would go Barkley #1 and risk missing out on their top QB.
So you believe the Giants paid what they did for Stewart to mentor a guy they weren't sure they would even have a chance to draft? Their own GM said this
"“We need players. You guys have seen our team. Let's be very honest,” Jackson said Tuesday in Orlando. "We need guys that come in and make a difference, and Barkley is definitely one of them. He'll be in the discussions.”
Just like when the Giants signed Warner to mentor Eli. It didn't work, Eli was like a caged animal on the sideline, Warner was trying to resurrect his career (and grew bitter when it didn't work out).
Stewart will be out there busting his balls, trying to keep Barkley on the bench - it's competition (if he gives him a few pointers, that's a plus)
(Difference between Stewart and Warner - Warner is an A**).
Warner is probably the nicest guy in the NFL. Jonathan Stewart is the complete opposite. One of the biggest assholes in the entire NFL.
The mentoring thing is certainly not wishful thinking. It happens all the time. Whether it's players that play the same position or guys who play different positions. A lot of vets will take young guys under their wings.
Stewart will be out there busting his balls, trying to keep Barkley on the bench - it's competition (if he gives him a few pointers, that's a plus)
I think this is mostly right. Plus, Barkley is a very high character guy, so I don't think he's going to be in need of any mentoring.
Now if it was Guice? Then I could see the value of Stewart in that mentor role...
Barkley was drafted to grace Stewart with The Hand of God. FACT.
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presence to not only provide some stability, but also some mentoring to a largely inexperienced RB room. Had they not drafted Barkley, it was likely they would have probably picked up an RB in a later round, so that was probably part of the consideration.
Good pt. Even without Barkley, there is a lot of youth and inexperience in the room.
I think if you combine the point made here and the distinct possibility we would draft Barkley with the 2nd pick in the draft, DG going after Stewart was a no brainer. Stewarts signing really was a multi-tool that many here were opposed to.
A 3rd and 1 guy, blocks, good character,a veteran presence.
At #2, there was no guarantee SB would be there, but quite likely with Brown's having ,5 qbs to chose from.
If Giants get SB, mentor and running mate; if not they still have their veteran and 3rd down guy.
He most certainly didn't bring in Stewart for his production which has steadily dipped in each of the last several years whereas he is now just an awful use in most run plays. At least I hope he didn't. And god forbid Barkley gets hurt, but if he does I want Gallman in there.
Yes, I know all about how Parcells, BB and some others bring in "their guys" when they set up shop to develop the culture they want.
But this seems like nothing more than a poor use of resources to give a friend a job...
Wouldn't have thought it could happen, but I think you've outdone yourself here. Kudos?
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But this seems like nothing more than a poor use of resources to give a friend a job...
Wouldn't have thought it could happen, but I think you've outdone yourself here. Kudos?
and yet again, mad mike just kills it with another value-add post...its almost like you corner the market
I'm fairly certain Stewart wasn't even the goal line back in Carolina. They had Mike Tolbert for that.
Is that so? Months before training camp even opens and you already know this.
You guys are something else. I’d be embarrassed for you because of of your incredible stupidity but if you aren’t embarrassed for yourselves....
Tough to corner it - you make an awfully big market.
He’ll bail out some plays when he decks a few defenders.
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Warner is probably the nicest guy in the NFL. Jonathan Stewart is the complete opposite. One of the biggest assholes in the entire NFL.
The mentoring thing is certainly not wishful thinking. It happens all the time. Whether it's players that play the same position or guys who play different positions. A lot of vets will take young guys under their wings.
Rick can you give us some "for instance" on Stewart being an asshole? Ive gotten the impression that Warner is anything but nice unless he is getting is way. Seems unrepentently bitter about Eli, rarely expounds on anything he may have done well...just seems like a passive-aggressive, disingenuous shit.
Ive never once heard a thing about JS being the same way.
Thanks in advance.
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I think Stewart was brought in for goal line and 3 rd and short
I'm fairly certain Stewart wasn't even the goal line back in Carolina. They had Mike Tolbert for that.
I think that is more JS was a victim of riches in that dept. Tolbert is right up there with the very best in short yardage. His differentiator is that he can be good receiver in addition to being a load out of thw backfield.
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need him to teach Saquon how to have a long, healthy, productive career. Getting a contract after 11 years with the Giants would be an ideal for both NYG and SB.
Seems like an obvious connection to make - ( New Window )
The one FA move I hated.
Be prepared to be the lead back for the first half of the season, and be a spot player for the second half.
With Barkley in place, that schedule may be compressed.
Be prepared to be the lead back for the first half of the season, and be a spot player for the second half.
With Barkley in place, that schedule may be compressed.
Very similar to the Reuben Droughns signing in 07 after Tiki left. Jacobs was a feature back, but RD was veteran insurance for the most part.
Who better to mentor Barkely then an old high odometer good citizen versatile big stout RB like Stewart..
I think darkwa > Stewart as a player , but maybe Stewart >>> Darkwa for making Barkely a HOFer and ROY
But I m just guessing that would be his role with the Giants based on what I ve heard.
Maybe they just brought him in because he s been a good player and they think he s got something left
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But this seems like nothing more than a poor use of resources to give a friend a job...
Wouldn't have thought it could happen, but I think you've outdone yourself here. Kudos?
You should talk? Kudos?
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Agree, but don't you think there's some anticipated mentorship in terms of how to be a physical runner and still have demand for your services in your 11th season?
he was putting a fallback option in place incase they didnt get barkley cleveland stunned everyone taking mayfield they are unpredictable they could easily have taken barkley at 1 and probably got mayfield at 4,depends what the jets did at 3 i think with darnold on the board they would have taken him anyway but who knows (had they done that i think chubb could have been plan b maybe darnold but i got the impression they werent overly impressed with any of the QB's)
it was probably his plan to have him mentor barkley as well stewart knows he is on his last days so barkley isnt a threat to him either he basically replaced darkwa with stewart. gallman and perkins will still get some reps as did the 2nd and 3rd RB's with shurmur in minnesota
i think they like stewart for the goalline plays too where they may not want to risk the rookie early either to injury or fumbles but fantasy players will hate that if he does