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Outside Receiver Opposite OBJ

Tark10 : 5/7/2018 7:02 pm
With the recent release of Brandon Marshall, anybody have any idea or opinion as to how the organization will fill that void? I just don't see the solution on the current roster.
Rueben Randle  
Brown Recluse : 5/7/2018 7:03 pm : link
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I think Shepard can do it.  
Mike from SI : 5/7/2018 7:05 pm : link
Many disagree. Am I wrong that our Steve Smith was actually a decent outside WR when forced to be?
Cody Latimer  
George from PA : 5/7/2018 7:09 pm : link
Would make the most sense right now
If he ever gets his head out of his ass...  
Milton : 5/7/2018 7:13 pm : link
Roger Lewis is the WR with the most upside (other than OBJ, of course). Maybe the Shurmur offense will be one that clicks for him.
Surprising that the Giants have yet to add a rookie WR to the mix...  
Milton : 5/7/2018 7:20 pm : link
I imagine we'll see one or two or three come out of the rookie tryouts, with an emphasis on height. At 6'2", Latimer is their only WR over 6 foot that is currently projected to make the final roster.
RE: If he ever gets his head out of his ass...  
bw in dc : 5/7/2018 7:22 pm : link
In comment 13957344 Milton said:
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Roger Lewis is the WR with the most upside (other than OBJ, of course). Maybe the Shurmur offense will be one that clicks for him.


I agree. The talent is there.

With a essentially a full year under his belt, I could see a big jump in reliability and effectiveness.
Iíd Like To See Some Formations With Engram Split Wide  
Trainmaster : 5/7/2018 7:35 pm : link
As a WR
Latimer and Evans  
robbieballs2003 : 5/7/2018 7:35 pm : link
Are probably the top options right now.
Obviously I meant Evan Engram  
robbieballs2003 : 5/7/2018 7:37 pm : link
Long day.
I think they  
King Quis : 5/7/2018 8:03 pm : link
have enough for once.Between Lewis, Sharpe, Rudolph and Latimer a playmaker will emerge.
Bring Tavares King  
SHO'NUFF : 5/7/2018 8:07 pm : link
back!
G-Men should buck up and grab Eric Decker....  
kinard : 5/7/2018 8:15 pm : link
...a good, tall consummate pro. who runs routes well and is a willing blocker.

He'd bring some good veteran experience and would be a nice, selfless safety valve for Eli.

RE: G-Men should buck up and grab Eric Decker....  
Psyfil215 : 5/7/2018 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13957388 kinard said:
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...a good, tall consummate pro. who runs routes well and is a willing blocker.

He'd bring some good veteran experience and would be a nice, selfless safety valve for Eli.


I agreeódefinitely worth a look.
New offense so it's anybody's guess  
widmerseyebrow : 5/7/2018 8:35 pm : link
Outside of the entrenched starters. Roger Lewis? Everyone is starting over and moreso for the depth guys. Lewis could be trash in Shurmurs offense for all we know.
RE: I think they  
widmerseyebrow : 5/7/2018 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13957382 King Quis said:
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have enough for once.Between Lewis, Sharpe, Rudolph and Latimer a playmaker will emerge.


I don't agree. This line of thinking has been used for our offensive line for years and the results were ugly. Numbers don't guarantee a viable starter.
RE: Bring Tavares King  
geemanfan : 5/7/2018 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13957383 SHO'NUFF said:
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back!


He signed with the Vikings
RE: RE: I think they  
chopperhatch : 5/7/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13957403 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 13957382 King Quis said:


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have enough for once.Between Lewis, Sharpe, Rudolph and Latimer a playmaker will emerge.



I don't agree. This line of thinking has been used for our offensive line for years and the results were ugly. Numbers don't guarantee a viable starter.


You have to understand that the other outside receiver might be the 4th or 5th target ( depending on formation) behind Beckham, Engram, Sheppard, and Barkley. This is not even including Ellison in 12 formation. Personally, I dont think having Lewis or Latimer as our secondary outside guy is going to be much of an issue to be honest. Also as somebody alluded to earlier, Evan engram as a split end could be a regular feature in the offense of playbook for 2018.
It sounds like they may keep 4 RBs and 4 TEs. May not be room for many  
Ivan15 : 5/7/2018 9:13 pm : link
WRs.

I would like to look at Decker. At least his wife.
I'm not to worried about who is opposite OBJ  
rasbutant : 5/7/2018 9:48 pm : link
I'm more concerned with what happens if OBJ is nicked up or worse.
WR 2  
eric2425ny : 5/7/2018 9:51 pm : link
I thought it was odd when we didnít really make a move in FA or the draft to solidify this spot, but it kind of makes sense if we are looking to be more of a run first team. I envision less 11 personnel and more two tight end sets where Engram goes on motion into a WR role with Ellison being the blocker and Shepard and OBJ being the two true WRís on the field. And with Barkley being a huge threat in the passing attack this approach could work out well. Long story short, we may not be as dependent on the WR2 spot as we were the last few years due to scheme and personnel.
RE: WR 2  
giantsFC : 5/7/2018 9:59 pm : link
In comment 13957458 eric2425ny said:
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I thought it was odd when we didnít really make a move in FA or the draft to solidify this spot, but it kind of makes sense if we are looking to be more of a run first team. I envision less 11 personnel and more two tight end sets where Engram goes on motion into a WR role with Ellison being the blocker and Shepard and OBJ being the two true WRís on the field. And with Barkley being a huge threat in the passing attack this approach could work out well. Long story short, we may not be as dependent on the WR2 spot as we were the last few years due to scheme and personnel.


Great point. 2TE sets often or RB as a speed type back out of backfield
Bring back Ramses  
CT Charlie : 5/7/2018 10:06 pm : link
Barden.
Thinking  
TMS : 5/7/2018 10:08 pm : link
Barkley plays a big role as a reciever in this offense which will mean a new mode of attack and roles will change. We will see.
I'm no expert...but  
jamison884 : 5/7/2018 10:15 pm : link
Based on the current personnel, a new offensive scheme being implemented, and the lack of massive moves (so far) to fill that second outside WR spot, I think the NYG are likely to move their skill players on a more regular basis.

Barkley is going to play a ton of downs, and our other RB's on the roster should serve us well. Stewart should be able to provide some decent runs (if for no other reason than he'll be well-rested), pass protect, and also catch some balls, while Gallman and Perkins can throw in some carries as needed. I like our RB group overall, especially since we expect better run blocking.

I imagine there will be more screens and short routes for the RB in general, especially given Shurmur's play calling. Ellison can block from the line or in a FB position, and if he's actually utilized this year, should be a good #2 receiving TE. Engram can line up outside and move pre-snap.

Engram with a year of experience, the potential to use Ellison more this year, a healthy OBJ, Shepard on the field with a few more skill players resulting in better matchups, adding Barkley, adding Stewart as a veteran presence with Gallman and Perkins both having more experience and less pressure to perform as a #1, improving the OL, the result of less pressure and more options for Eli...and even McAdoo would have been good for several more wins.

I think we have enough talented skill position players on any given play to get a favorable 1v1 matchup somewhere on the field. It would be awesome to have a solid tall veteran WR to just put up #3 WR numbers and stretch plays vertically, and I think that's all we really need from such a player. We have 4 WR's at 6'02'' or taller at the moment, but all of them are either UDFA or unproductive thus far into their NFL careers, and then two more (Lewis and Rudolph) at 6'0'' and 6'01'' respectively.

It isn't as bad as I thought before writing this at least. :)
RE: G-Men should buck up and grab Eric Decker....  
FranknWeezer : 5/7/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13957388 kinard said:
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...a good, tall consummate pro. who runs routes well and is a willing blocker.

He'd bring some good veteran experience and would be a nice, selfless safety valve for Eli.


Did Decker play for our WR coach Tolbert in DEN? He ought to have the inside scoop on the guy if so.
I'm guessing they'll use two tight ends.  
Since1965 : 5/7/2018 10:49 pm : link
Ellison will probably need to be parked next to the RT, whether it's Wheeler or fat ass Flowers . But they are frighteningly thin if Beckham or Shepard go down. Def. need to add someone decent and with experience at WR.
How tall is  
Old Dirty : 5/7/2018 11:04 pm : link
Dez Bryant?
Latimer could be a Dominick Hixon type  
giantsFC : 5/8/2018 1:30 am : link
Which team could easily live with minus the injuries that kept hixon from ever being reliable
Probably wonít be one guy  
UberAlias : 5/8/2018 3:18 am : link
I think you will see CL, RL, EE, and Shepard all seeing time out there.
Uber's got it...it should be covered by several Giants  
Jimmy Googs : 5/8/2018 8:37 am : link
Cannot imagine you will see that much of just Latimer out there...he's no that kind of guy despite his frame.

Maybe we pick up somebody this summer from a team making tough cuts?
I'd be shocked  
pjcas18 : 5/8/2018 8:40 am : link
if the Giants went into the season with a #2 WR already on the roster today.

I'm very optimistic on Lattimer  
SLIM_ : 5/8/2018 8:48 am : link
He is a young player who hasn't made a name for himself so he really can't complain about being the last option on a lot of plays but he is physical and will be a better blocking presence than anyone we've had there in years. He's good some run after the catch ability with his return skills.

Roger Lewis could also show something as he flashes skills but his hands have been poor. Fix that and we could have a nice combination there.

Generally speaking you know what a guy is after 3-4 years  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2018 9:14 am : link
I don't mind rolling the dice but I don't expect anything of signing him.
RE: RE: I think they  
Keith : 5/8/2018 9:19 am : link
In comment 13957403 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 13957382 King Quis said:


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have enough for once.Between Lewis, Sharpe, Rudolph and Latimer a playmaker will emerge.



I don't agree. This line of thinking has been used for our offensive line for years and the results were ugly. Numbers don't guarantee a viable starter.


Way off. First off, our Oline hasn't had someone of Odells caliber. Have we had an oline thats the best at his position? No. I guess you can make a case that Pugh, when healthy, was solid, like Shepard. Nobody is a young and up and comer like Evans.

We have 3 bonafide, legit passing weapons and we just drafted a guy who is supposed to be one of the best pass catching backs in a long time. We have more than enough weapons in the passing game where we can let one of those young guys win the position. Its about giving Eli time and praying that Eli bounces back in a big way.
Evans???  
Keith : 5/8/2018 9:20 am : link
Obviously meant Engram.
Why do people keep saying #2 WR?  
Keith : 5/8/2018 9:22 am : link
Shephard and Engram are both great #2 and #3 options. Just because someone lines up on the outside doesn't mean they are a #2 WR. It's the #3 WR in the depth chart and the 4th or 5th receiving option.
RE: Why do people keep saying #2 WR?  
pjcas18 : 5/8/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 13957688 Keith said:
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Shephard and Engram are both great #2 and #3 options. Just because someone lines up on the outside doesn't mean they are a #2 WR. It's the #3 WR in the depth chart and the 4th or 5th receiving option.


People mean the other outside wide receiver. aka the Z to Beckham's X. the guy who comes in for 3 WR sets.

Sure, sometimes Engram may be the Z. But his best value is when the Giants can get him lined up one on one with a safety or LB. He's too big for them.

So when people say Engram should be a WR, sure he could be but there's a reason Gronk, Kelce, Gonzalez, Gates, etc. weren't simply made WR's and it's not just their blocking, it's the fact when they're in the formation at TE the run/pass threat is real.

Hopefully the Giants use offensive personnel better this year and run different formations so the offense is not as predictable as in the past.
RE: Why do people keep saying #2 WR?  
giants#1 : 5/8/2018 9:34 am : link
In comment 13957688 Keith said:
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Shephard and Engram are both great #2 and #3 options. Just because someone lines up on the outside doesn't mean they are a #2 WR. It's the #3 WR in the depth chart and the 4th or 5th receiving option.


Because people think the '#2 WR' has to be a tall outside WR. In reality, whoever is the 3rd WR is 3 WR sets is likely going to be the 5th option anyway. As someone else posted, let's assume Eli throws 600 passes:

Beckham: 150+ targets (158 in 2015; 169 in 2016)
Shepard: 100+ targets if healthy
Engram: 100+ targets (saw 115 last year)
Barkley: 80-100 targets (Vereen+Gallman had 101 last year)
Ellison: 30+ targets
Total: 480 targets

And those are conservative estimates. At most you're looking at probably 120 targets for the backup RB, 3rd TE, and #2 WR combined.
Latimer or Lewis  
Alex_Webster : 5/8/2018 9:59 am : link
Based on current Roster.
I think Decker = Marshall II  
Giant John : 5/8/2018 12:25 pm : link
Iíd pass.
Roger Lewis may make a leap up the depth chart  
SGMen : 5/8/2018 1:25 pm : link
Or Cody Latimer.
our wr coach came from Denver,  
George from PA : 5/8/2018 5:47 pm : link
And the Giants signed Cody Latimor and did not sign Decker....should say enough what the coaches thought of the players
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