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Odell #77 on Top 100

T-Bone : 5/7/2018 8:27 pm
I know most donít care about this list (including me... just happened to have the NFL Network on tv but wasnít paying attention to what was on) but figured Iíd post the info for those that do.

I expect him to be Top 10 again after this season.

By the way, Iím a big Taylor Lewan fan after his bit. & #128514;
I get the purpose of the list, and how it's put together  
regulator : 5/7/2018 8:51 pm : link
but are there really 76 players in this league that are objectively 'better' than Odell Beckham? Jr. Put another way, are there 76 other guys people would pick before him?
RE: I get the purpose of the list, and how it's put together  
BestFeature : 5/7/2018 8:56 pm : link
In comment 13957412 regulator said:
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but are there really 76 players in this league that are objectively 'better' than Odell Beckham? Jr. Put another way, are there 76 other guys people would pick before him?


Tough to put the guy in the top 10 when he missed almost an entire season. Arguably, 77 is generous because of that.
Based on last year's play  
ZogZerg : 5/7/2018 8:56 pm : link
So sounds a out right.
Itís BS.  
Giant John : 5/7/2018 8:58 pm : link
Waste of time.
These are single-year rankings  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/7/2018 9:02 pm : link
He really shouldnít have been on it at all considering he played in 4 games and was hobbled by a preseason injury.
People  
Joey in VA : 5/7/2018 9:27 pm : link
Want to see their favorite players, this is the off-season Pro Bowl. Understand what this is before you decide how dumb or useless or pointless it is. Is it pointless from a real football standpoint? Sure it is, but you want folks to watch so what do you do? You all can't be this obtuse about the NFL network works can you?
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Mdgiantsfan : 5/7/2018 9:31 pm : link
So this list is based on what the player did last year and not what they will do the upcoming season? If itís the former ok, but the latter then this is a pile of well u know... 😂
Joey  
T-Bone : 5/7/2018 9:39 pm : link
Can only speak for myself but after the first two seasons of this list Iíve personally lost interest in it. If... thatís... ok... with you? Didnít mean to offend ya my dude!

mdgiantsfan - Iím pretty sure theyíre based on last year.
Bigger question is  
TMS : 5/7/2018 9:50 pm : link
what are his measurables now after the injury. He may not be that good anymore for all we know. Remember Nicks and Cruz. They never were what they were before their injuries, always hurt. Buyer beware on these guys. Dez is another example. Plus the off field BS gets old. Sure DG sees it that way as well. We will see.
RE: Bigger question is  
T-Bone : 5/7/2018 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13957457 TMS said:
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what are his measurables now after the injury. He may not be that good anymore for all we know. Remember Nicks and Cruz. They never were what they were before their injuries, always hurt. Buyer beware on these guys. Dez is another example. Plus the off field BS gets old. Sure DG sees it that way as well. We will see.


Pretty sure both Nicks and Cruzís injuries were worse than Beckhamís.

But like you said, weíll see. Iím putting my $ on OBJ tho.
There are not now nor have there ever been  
Phil in LA : 5/7/2018 10:03 pm : link
76 players that are better than Odell at any time in the history of this league.
Pretty good raking since he missed...  
bw in dc : 5/7/2018 10:09 pm : link
75% of the season.
INCENTIVE!  
old man : 5/7/2018 10:14 pm : link
Not that he needs it, but it'll be something to laugh about at next year's ranking in top #5.
RE: There are not now nor have there ever been  
Motley Two : 5/7/2018 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13957473 Phil in LA said:
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76 players that are better than Odell at any time in the history of this league.


Yes there has been.
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T-Bone : 5/7/2018 10:30 pm : link
In comment 13957507 Motley Two said:
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76 players that are better than Odell at any time in the history of this league.



Yes there has been.


Although Iím sure a good amount of hyperbole was being used there thatís actually a debatable point. Remember, this guy has started off at a historic pace. So Iím not so sure itís as open and shut as you say Montley. Itís probably impossible to really figure out but I donít think Philís statement is as Ďout thereí as it sounds. Just MO.
This  
Mr. Nickels : 5/8/2018 12:20 am : link
list is the most pointless thing in the NFL.
RE: This  
Sec 103 : 5/8/2018 7:50 am : link
In comment 13957547 Mr. Nickels said:
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list is the most pointless thing in the NFL.

And power rankings....
People watch the NFL network  
dep026 : 5/8/2018 7:52 am : link
Outside of football season?

Mind blown,
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christian : 5/8/2018 8:11 am : link
It's astonishing how many people who hate football watch football. That's not sarcasm, I'm really amazed by it.
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T-Bone : 5/8/2018 8:33 am : link
In comment 13957609 christian said:
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It's astonishing how many people who hate football watch football. That's not sarcasm, I'm really amazed by it.


Ha... was thinking the same thing. Have no use (anymore anyway) for the Top 100 lists, personally, but other than that my tv stays on the NFL Network.
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dep026 : 5/8/2018 8:37 am : link
In comment 13957609 christian said:
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It's astonishing how many people who hate football watch football. That's not sarcasm, I'm really amazed by it.


Or maybe people love to watch the actual football instead of the fluff and nonsense that networks spit out 24 hours a day.
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Gatorade Dunk : 5/8/2018 8:46 am : link
In comment 13957631 dep026 said:
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It's astonishing how many people who hate football watch football. That's not sarcasm, I'm really amazed by it.



Or maybe people love to watch the actual football instead of the fluff and nonsense that networks spit out 24 hours a day.

What do you want them to show in May? Just reruns of old games? That wouldn't necessarily be bad, but it would just bore a different set of the audience instead.
Who's got a gun to your head demanding you to watch their content?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2018 9:11 am : link
I'm mildly interested to know what the players think of their peers but it's obviously not scientific analysis.
If we are talking talent level,  
Keith : 5/8/2018 9:16 am : link
then Odell is in the top 10 in the NFL. If we are talking about value to their teams, he's probably closer to 20-25. Not many guys that are better football players than Odell.
RE: RE: I get the purpose of the list, and how it's put together  
regulator : 5/8/2018 9:19 am : link
In comment 13957417 BestFeature said:
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but are there really 76 players in this league that are objectively 'better' than Odell Beckham? Jr. Put another way, are there 76 other guys people would pick before him?



Tough to put the guy in the top 10 when he missed almost an entire season. Arguably, 77 is generous because of that.


That's the point... if it's strictly about 2017, then how can you put him on the list at all when he missed 3/4 of the regular season? So, past performance and future projection clearly plays a role... in that case, does anyone really think a healthy OBJ (even with the ankle) is the 77th best player in football? IOW, if the entire league were to be re-drafted, he'd be a late third round pick? I don't think so...

Anyway, I'm not upset by it, I just have trouble reconciling its purpose.
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ron mexico : 5/8/2018 9:22 am : link
In comment 13957682 regulator said:
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but are there really 76 players in this league that are objectively 'better' than Odell Beckham? Jr. Put another way, are there 76 other guys people would pick before him?



Tough to put the guy in the top 10 when he missed almost an entire season. Arguably, 77 is generous because of that.



That's the point... if it's strictly about 2017, then how can you put him on the list at all when he missed 3/4 of the regular season? So, past performance and future projection clearly plays a role... in that case, does anyone really think a healthy OBJ (even with the ankle) is the 77th best player in football? IOW, if the entire league were to be re-drafted, he'd be a late third round pick? I don't think so...

Anyway, I'm not upset by it, I just have trouble reconciling its purpose.


Its:
*Off season filler
*A highlight show
*A chance for players to gush about their buddies on other teams and probably make a buck or two for the interview
Guys, its really simple.  
Keith : 5/8/2018 9:23 am : link
They ask a bunch of NFL players to rank them. Some of the players rank based on last year, some base on who they think is best. There is no consistency in the voting by the players which is why we see a guy like Odell on the list at all.
RE: Pretty good raking since he missed...  
eli4life : 5/8/2018 9:49 am : link
In comment 13957488 bw in dc said:
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75% of the season.


Actually it isnít . Itís ďsupposed ď to be for this upcoming season. Itís a crap show anyways
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Brown Recluse : 5/8/2018 10:02 am : link
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It's astonishing how many people who hate football watch football. That's not sarcasm, I'm really amazed by it.



Or maybe people love to watch the actual football instead of the fluff and nonsense that networks spit out 24 hours a day.


What do you want them to show in May? Just reruns of old games? That wouldn't necessarily be bad, but it would just bore a different set of the audience instead.


Yes, I do want them to show old games. Thats what they used to do. I want to learn about NFL history. My favorite team and players as well as others. What set of audience is that going to bore? The set that loves watching draft prospects on the red carpet, Thursday Night Football, Carrie Underwoods legs, and fantasy football stats? Eff that audience set. They are the reason the league is headed down the toilet anyway.
So anyway... in other news...  
T-Bone : 5/8/2018 11:06 am : link
Harrison vows to make opposing players pay for his Top 100 snub...

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I will remind every lineman we play this year, while I'm whipping their ass, that they didn't vote for me. Blame it on the Top 100. So don't ask me "what's your problem man" you should already know. When the list comes back y'all hands gonna shake when you think of me...
- Damon Harrison Sr. (@snacks) May 8, 2018

All y'all gots to PAY! - ( New Window )
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Gatorade Dunk : 5/8/2018 11:19 am : link
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It's astonishing how many people who hate football watch football. That's not sarcasm, I'm really amazed by it.



Or maybe people love to watch the actual football instead of the fluff and nonsense that networks spit out 24 hours a day.


What do you want them to show in May? Just reruns of old games? That wouldn't necessarily be bad, but it would just bore a different set of the audience instead.



Yes, I do want them to show old games. Thats what they used to do. I want to learn about NFL history. My favorite team and players as well as others. What set of audience is that going to bore? The set that loves watching draft prospects on the red carpet, Thursday Night Football, Carrie Underwoods legs, and fantasy football stats? Eff that audience set. They are the reason the league is headed down the toilet anyway.

They do show old games, as part of a whole variety of programming. That's my point. You still do get the part you want, and you can ignore the stuff that you don't like.
People getting mad at lists.  
Dodge : 5/8/2018 4:03 pm : link
They're a fun bit of content. Why do people take this shit so seriously.

Fuck off.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2018 5:44 pm : link
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It's astonishing how many people who hate football watch football. That's not sarcasm, I'm really amazed by it.



Or maybe people love to watch the actual football instead of the fluff and nonsense that networks spit out 24 hours a day.


What do you want them to show in May? Just reruns of old games? That wouldn't necessarily be bad, but it would just bore a different set of the audience instead.



Yes, I do want them to show old games. Thats what they used to do. I want to learn about NFL history. My favorite team and players as well as others.


It's almost as if books and the internet didn't exist.
Did everyone forget how this list was made?  
JOrthman : 5/8/2018 9:08 pm : link
It's just a survey among current players, so it is solely based on how that collective group of respondents answered. There is no more logic to it then that.
I find it interesting how people don't respect other players' opinions  
BestFeature : 5/8/2018 9:47 pm : link
In hockey, fans respect the Ted Lindsay award the most outstanding player voted on by the players more than the Hart, which is the MVP voted on by the media, because it was voted on by the players. But here people seem to dismiss players' opinions.
RE: I find it interesting how people don't respect other players' opinions  
eclipz928 : 5/9/2018 6:19 am : link
In comment 13958652 BestFeature said:
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In hockey, fans respect the Ted Lindsay award the most outstanding player voted on by the players more than the Hart, which is the MVP voted on by the media, because it was voted on by the players. But here people seem to dismiss players' opinions.

The reason why I somewhat discount they player's opinion is because they're usually playing in a game on Sunday at the same time as everyone else - not sure how much time they actually spend watching other players/teams play.

I would say that they may be in a special position to remark on players in their own division that they watch game film, but hard to know how much bias they have AGAINST players on rival teams. I could imagine a player on the Eagles might rank a player on the Cowboys lower than what he should just out of spite.

Those 2 reasons are why i think the list lacks credibility.
RE: I find it interesting how people don't respect other players' opinions  
ron mexico : 5/9/2018 7:09 am : link
In comment 13958652 BestFeature said:
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In hockey, fans respect the Ted Lindsay award the most outstanding player voted on by the players more than the Hart, which is the MVP voted on by the media, because it was voted on by the players. But here people seem to dismiss players' opinions.


I don't dismiss players opinions, but it doesn't seem like the list is put together in a rigorous manner. Which is fine if you don't get hung up on what number appears next to your favorite player.
RE: Did everyone forget how this list was made?  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/9/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13958585 JOrthman said:
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It's just a survey among current players, so it is solely based on how that collective group of respondents answered. There is no more logic to it then that.

And, adding to that, IIRC, it's a collection of top-10 or top-20 lists that NFLN expands out to top-100 based on the results. In other words, if a player is unanimously the 21st best player in the league (and therefore not present on any ballots), he will not appear on the top 100, but if one player randomly appears in a handful of top-10 lists but is absent from the vast majority of ballots, he will likely make the list.

It's not intended to be scientific, obviously.
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