Are 2 TE sets going to be the norm this season?

who can play every receiving position and doesn’t have to come off the field regardless of formation. By nature you will probably see “2 TE” quite a bit, but that’s all dependent on how you classify Engram on those plays.

Is the second TE last time I checked they only had one legitimate TE

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In comment 13957564 Dragon said:

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Is the second TE last time I checked they only had one legitimate TE

Engram, Ellison, Adams

1. We don't have a WR 3 on the roster
2. We will be running the ball more and need a blocking TE in the game.
3. Barkley can "act" as a WR in various plays since he is so good at catching the ball.

I think 2 TEs, forces the D into their base 43 (or 34) which in turn creates the most mismatches for the Giants in the passing game. Beckham/SS will obviously draw the CBs, but Barkley and Engram will then be matched up against slower LBs.

but just getting Ellison on the field and used by Shurmur as he used him in Minny, would be a big, possibly huge, plus

More two TE sets than McAdoo. By the time Sullivan took over and corrected that somewhat injured and the implosion made it too late to see how that would have helped.

It doesn’t have to be every play just as 3 WRs. The beauty of Engram is that he can run the WR route tree. You can even go 3 TE and the split him out.

Shurmur from all will use his players well. That will be a huge upgrade regardless of formation. That’s the point. Mara still should be checked for dementia for that hire.

Oh poor Dorgan

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It's like he's saddled with Bizarro Dorgan the guy who knows little football to balance the guy who knows a shit ton of it.

Most teams run 11 Personnel (3Wr's TE and a RB) over 50% of the time. So I dont think it will be the norm. Shurmur will run 2TE more than McAdoo ran it for sure.. but then McAdoo was clueless about how to utilize the Giants talents other than OBJ. I expect the Giants to utilize 12 personnel more than the Giants did last year. I also expect him to mix in some 22 and some 21 as well.

thats the whole advantage of having players with versatility like engram and ellison (can play TE and some FB)

Bear Pascoe. I like that because they don't have to sub and tip off the plays.

In comment 13957564 Dragon said:

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Is the second TE last time I checked they only had one legitimate TE

Lol you really are lost bro...

The Giants have one of the best blocking tight ends in football in Ellison. Engram may be the best emerging hybrid WR/TE in the sport - he is just as strong in motion as an X as he is "in line" as a Y. Beckham is a top three WR in the sport and Shepard is an excellent possession slot receiver. So naturally, a two tight end set of Engram and Ellison, with Beckham as the X, Shepard as the Z and Barkley in the backfield, will be the base offense this year. Adams is a solid backup tight end and Latimer, Lewis and Rudolph are adequate backup WRs.

Along with solid depth now at RB, it seems to me that this is the finest set of offensive weapons we have had around here since maybe ever... Hopefully for four WR sets, Lewis and Latimore will be fine. If neither are making good progress in camp, then it may be worth signing a veteran before the season starts. But I would wait until early September to decide - none of the current free agents to me are upgrades over Latimer and Lewis...

they had 2 TEs or 3 TEs.

That would mean they rarely went 3 wide. If that’s the case, the Giants won’t need another WR, and probably have too many now.

and same formations on the field 90+% of plays, like we had the last two seasons, I'd be up for anything.

In comment 13957727 Ivan15 said:

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they had 2 TEs or 3 TEs. That would mean they rarely went 3 wide. If that’s the case, the Giants won’t need another WR, and probably have too many now.

Might want to try reading my OP again.

Atlanta 2016 outside zone run left / roll out QB right / etc., thing seems super practical and kicks ass. And whereas we Ranted on this prior to the 2017 season and prior to 2016 also. On the other hand:

I'm not sure if some fans aren't overestimating Ellison as a run blocker based on mostly reputation, or Adams as well for that matter. Or whomever is on the roster at TE - if EE is split wide.

cruz isnt the same player he was,speed and cut wise but still a good possession receiver already familiar with the offence and should have a better understanding with eli as well.bryant isnt the number 1 WR anymore but in the giants team as number 2 could work,especially against the divisional rivals as he may be extra motivated ,all depends what the price is as the giants are short on cap space dez is an outside guy whereas cruz would be competing with shepard for slot so that might hurt his chances of returning

i would like a bigger outside guy they are lacking that particularly in the redzone where eli liked that corner fade to plax so much they could do with a 6-5" type guy opposite beckham they have so many mismatch oppourtunities now couldnt hurt to add another one defences would struggle to deal with too

How would Cruz be familiar with the offense??

In comment 13957620 blueblood said:

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Most teams run 11 Personnel (3Wr's TE and a RB) over 50% of the time. So I dont think it will be the norm. Shurmur will run 2TE more than McAdoo ran it for sure.. but then McAdoo was clueless about how to utilize the Giants talents other than OBJ. I expect the Giants to utilize 12 personnel more than the Giants did last year. I also expect him to mix in some 22 and some 21 as well.

Exactly. Shurmer will certainly run it more than McAdoo, but no more than he did at Minny. Keep in mind that when a 2nd TE is coming onto the field, it is Sterling Shepard who is likely going off.

I think there will be ample opportunity to use 21 personnel, but it will be 3 WR's more often than not.

In comment 13958860 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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How would Cruz be familiar with the offense??

Isn't Ted Cruz from Minnesota? Or did Jose Cruz spend time with Shurmur somewhere?

In comment 13959071 YAJ2112 said:

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In comment 13958860 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: How would Cruz be familiar with the offense?? Isn't Ted Cruz from Minnesota? Or did Jose Cruz spend time with Shurmur somewhere?

You imgrate! He's talking about Penelope Cruz!

In comment 13959119 Klaatu said:

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In comment 13959071 YAJ2112 said: Quote: In comment 13958860 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: How would Cruz be familiar with the offense?? Isn't Ted Cruz from Minnesota? Or did Jose Cruz spend time with Shurmur somewhere? You imgrate! He's talking about Penelope Cruz!

Yeah, but she's a hybrid WR/TE.

In comment 13959122 YAJ2112 said:

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In comment 13959119 Klaatu said: Quote: In comment 13959071 YAJ2112 said: Quote: In comment 13958860 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: How would Cruz be familiar with the offense?? Isn't Ted Cruz from Minnesota? Or did Jose Cruz spend time with Shurmur somewhere? You imgrate! He's talking about Penelope Cruz! Yeah, but she's a hybrid WR/TE.

You're confusing her with her sister.

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In comment 13957620 blueblood said: Quote: Most teams run 11 Personnel (3Wr's TE and a RB) over 50% of the time. So I dont think it will be the norm. Shurmur will run 2TE more than McAdoo ran it for sure.. but then McAdoo was clueless about how to utilize the Giants talents other than OBJ. I expect the Giants to utilize 12 personnel more than the Giants did last year. I also expect him to mix in some 22 and some 21 as well. Exactly. Shurmer will certainly run it more than McAdoo, but no more than he did at Minny. Keep in mind that when a 2nd TE is coming onto the field, it is Sterling Shepard who is likely going off. I think there will be ample opportunity to use 21 personnel, but it will be 3 WR's more often than not.

So, your assumption is that Shep will be treated as an essentially exclusively slot receiver? He can't be effective (or more effective than the other options on the roster) at the X or Z? I find that a little hard to swallow, but I am no expert.

So, who do you see playing the outside opposite Beckham? Lewis?

will be on the field together a lot. Ellison can line up in the backfield or on the line. Engram can line up on the LOS or go in motion to become the "3rd WR". I expect a lot of pre-snap motion

In comment 13959636 PEEJ said:

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will be on the field together a lot. Ellison can line up in the backfield or on the line. Engram can line up on the LOS or go in motion to become the "3rd WR". I expect a lot of pre-snap motion

Hopefully we don't have to put up with a lot of pre-snap illegal motion penalties as well...

Lets give the Defense a moment of pause as to what we are planning with multiple options out of multiple player groupings.

That with the added level of speed to this Offense with OBJ, Engram and now Barkley, its all deadly :-)