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Keith : 5/8/2018 10:37 am





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oh, Greg and Fats:  
Victor in CT : 5/9/2018 8:09 am : link
Price visiting Dr. Beeper today. After his round of golf of course. ;-)
Love Gardy but his play last night in the field and at the plate have  
Heisenberg : 5/9/2018 8:16 am : link
me ready for Frazier. I expect him to get hot but, ugh, he's been so far.
His play in the field?  
Greg from LI : 5/9/2018 8:23 am : link
Clint Frazier could be an upgrade at the plate, but he will absolutely be a downgrade in the field.
I think that Gardner is the best LF I've ever seen at the Stadium.  
yatqb : 5/9/2018 8:25 am : link
I'm trying to think of others who were really good out there. Tom Tresh was excellent. Ricky Henderson was adequate. Am I blanking on anyone?

But he's pulling his head off the ball when he swings this year. Perhaps the power surge of last year has gotten him overswinging. Right now he's ugly at the plate.

I believe Gardner is a streaky hitter  
Jay in Toronto : 5/9/2018 8:26 am : link
if that is true and the 'bad luck' noted has exacerbated the BA, hopefully he will hit another streak soon.

I agree if this is the situation at the break, some alternatives will need to be considered.
You really can't hold..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/9/2018 8:26 am : link
Gardner responsible for the triple. If he catches that ball on a spectacular dive, it saves a run. He took a risk and failed.

He is still a plus fielder.
RE: You really can't hold..  
YAJ2112 : 5/9/2018 8:30 am : link
In comment 13958882 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Gardner responsible for the triple. If he catches that ball on a spectacular dive, it saves a run. He took a risk and failed.

He is still a plus fielder.


He took a path to try to catch the ball to preserve the lead, knowing that if he didn't get to it that the ball would likely get all the way the wall.

The way he dove, he knew he wasn't catching it (or cutting it off) and was just trying to knock the ball down and keep it from getting to the wall.

He's a really good fielder, with a not so great arm.
and a nice win last night  
YAJ2112 : 5/9/2018 8:33 am : link
too bad the Sox ran away and hid from everyone, this would have been even better if the race wasn't over already.
Yea bad play last night by Gardy,but he's Great not good in LF  
Stu11 : 5/9/2018 8:34 am : link
I agree about Gardy getting at least a month to work this out at the plate. Frankly with Hicks not doing a whole lot either we aren't loaded with options at lead off. I'd rather not throw Gleyber up there just yet.
...  
christian : 5/9/2018 8:36 am : link
This team hasn't had a stretch where the bats, rotation and pen are all in stride.

That plus health issues, indicates this is a very good team.
RE: I think that Gardner is the best LF I've ever seen at the Stadium.  
mfsd : 5/9/2018 8:39 am : link
In comment 13958879 yatqb said:
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I'm trying to think of others who were really good out there. Tom Tresh was excellent. Ricky Henderson was adequate. Am I blanking on anyone?

But he's pulling his head off the ball when he swings this year. Perhaps the power surge of last year has gotten him overswinging. Right now he's ugly at the plate.


Tresh was before my time, I know Rickey was considered a top defensive outfielder but my enduring memory of him in the field are his silly snatch catches.

Matsui always played solid LF, never gold glove caliber but he was better than average IMO...probably the best defensive LF who manned the spot for an extended stretch I think, before Gardner

Paulie O played some left field when we first traded for him...so did Winfield for that matter...but both moved to right field within a year or so of joining the Yanks IIRC

LF in the late 90s was always manned by role player guys like Chad Curtis, Shane Spencer, Ricky Ledee. They even buried Knoblauch out there once the yips overcame him at 2B.

Gerald Williams was pretty good out there until we traded him mid season in 96
RE: His play in the field?  
Heisenberg : 5/9/2018 8:43 am : link
In comment 13958877 Greg from LI said:
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Clint Frazier could be an upgrade at the plate, but he will absolutely be a downgrade in the field.


Yeah, he's a good fielder for sure, but he had a bad play last night in a big spot.

I love the guy, but he's off to a slow start all around this year and that gets you wondering if he's starting to get cooked. I'm hoping for a resurgence of course because the offense is on another level when he's hitting and walking in front of Judge.
Gardy butchered this one - ( New Window )
all this talk about maybe Gardy is "cooked"  
Stu11 : 5/9/2018 8:48 am : link
Geez the guy is 34, not 40. He's in great shape. He's always been streaky, just its usually the opposite, he starts out hot the first half then fades. Maybe this year it will be the other way around.
He had..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/9/2018 8:49 am : link
a "bad play in a big spot"??

Unless he could catch the ball, the end result is exactly the same as if he backed up and played it on a bounce.

The tying run was going to score on any hit and Betts was going to get at least a double.

Gardner tried to prevent the run by making a diving catch, realized he wasn't going to make the play and couldn't stop the ball.

If Betts gets an inside the park HR - that's a different outcome.

Otherwise, Gardy's risk resulted in no additional impact.
LF has typically been the place tems put their worst defensive  
yatqb : 5/9/2018 8:53 am : link
player. Given how huge LF is at the Stadium you'd think that might have been different for the Yanks, but I don't think so.

Raines was a good LF, Henderson too, but no one in my memory covered more ground or made more hard plays look routine than Gardy.
Wow, Gardy fan club is out today  
Heisenberg : 5/9/2018 8:55 am : link
Ok, he nearly gave an inside the parker to Mookie, but he played it perfectly - gold glove play.

I love Gardy, but the defensive stats back up the eyeball test for me. He doesn't look the same in the field or at the plate - at least to me. Maybe he's playing banged up because we don't have Frazier or Ellsbury to take his place right now. Maybe it's a slump. Time will tell.
Another Great Win  
Percy : 5/9/2018 8:56 am : link
But I'll bet Nevin wishes he had that "go for home" call back.
I didn't say..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/9/2018 8:58 am : link
he played it perfectly.

I said he took a risk and failed. And the team didn't suffer because of it.

Basically, he either makes the catch to save a run or it falls and Betts is in scoring position no matter if he dives or not.

So barring Betts getting an inside the park HR, what exactly did it cost them?
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Ryan in Albany : 5/9/2018 9:01 am : link
Yanks hitting was largely contained, and their fielding was shaky...and they still won! This team looks confident way beyond its years.

Can't wait til Bird returns.
RE: LF has typically been the place tems put their worst defensive  
Victor in CT : 5/9/2018 9:03 am : link
In comment 13958897 yatqb said:
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player. Given how huge LF is at the Stadium you'd think that might have been different for the Yanks, but I don't think so.

Raines was a good LF, Henderson too, but no one in my memory covered more ground or made more hard plays look routine than Gardy.


LF at Yankee Stadium is HUGE?? Since when? It hasn't been huge since the 2nd version of the stadium was 430 ft. to left center. Lefty hitters get opposite field HRs now.
We do this at some point every year over the last few  
wigs in nyc : 5/9/2018 9:05 am : link
wondering if Gardner’s done, or if it’s time to move on My money’s on that he will go on a run at some point, and everyone will say, “Huh, remember when we are all wondering if he was done!?” Happens every year now. Rinse/Repeat.
RE: I didn't say..  
Heisenberg : 5/9/2018 9:05 am : link
In comment 13958904 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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he played it perfectly.

I said he took a risk and failed. And the team didn't suffer because of it.

Basically, he either makes the catch to save a run or it falls and Betts is in scoring position no matter if he dives or not.

So barring Betts getting an inside the park HR, what exactly did it cost them?


you're right, Robertson k'd Benintendi and ended the inning so it didn't cost them. A good defensive play there would have held Betts to a double. You win though, because I don't give a shit about this dumb argument. The stats that Gardner is not a plus defender this year are fake news. I concede.
RE: RE: LF has typically been the place tems put their worst defensive  
mfsd : 5/9/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 13958911 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13958897 yatqb said:


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player. Given how huge LF is at the Stadium you'd think that might have been different for the Yanks, but I don't think so.

Raines was a good LF, Henderson too, but no one in my memory covered more ground or made more hard plays look routine than Gardy.



LF at Yankee Stadium is HUGE?? Since when? It hasn't been huge since the 2nd version of the stadium was 430 ft. to left center. Lefty hitters get opposite field HRs now.


Yeah it’s not as big as it used to be, but still a lot of ground to cover.

The bigger challenge IMO is the tight left field corner leads to a lot of funky bounces, Gardy’s almost always played them beautifully

#Gardyfanclub
RE: RE: I didn't say..  
Kyle in NY : 5/9/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 13958913 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 13958904 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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he played it perfectly.

I said he took a risk and failed. And the team didn't suffer because of it.

Basically, he either makes the catch to save a run or it falls and Betts is in scoring position no matter if he dives or not.

So barring Betts getting an inside the park HR, what exactly did it cost them?



you're right, Robertson k'd Benintendi and ended the inning so it didn't cost them. A good defensive play there would have held Betts to a double. You win though, because I don't give a shit about this dumb argument. The stats that Gardner is not a plus defender this year are fake news. I concede.


What stats say he isn't a plus fielder so far? I'm seeing 0.5 dWWAR on baseball reference
It is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/9/2018 9:17 am : link
a dumb argument, but it is like you just keep digging in that Gardy is declining rapidly:

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The stats that Gardner is not a plus defender this year are fake news. I concede.


Fake News?? How about incomplete news. We are not even 1/5th into the season!
Or..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/9/2018 9:18 am : link
sounds like Kyle is pointing out that it is fake news.

LOL.
Depends on the metric...  
Dunedin81 : 5/9/2018 9:24 am : link
he's a double-digit DWAR guy per BR, 125 career defensive runs saved, he doesn't have a great arm by any means but his range factors are always topnotch. LF has limited positional value, so it's skewed downward relative to his CF performance in the metrics that account for the difference, but he's still an elite defensive LF.
And I say that noting that Gardner is an offensive nonfactor...  
Dunedin81 : 5/9/2018 9:25 am : link
who should be dropped in the lineup and should sit at least 1-2x more a week than he has so far.
RE: He had..  
Neckbone1333 : 5/9/2018 9:53 am : link
In comment 13958894 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a "bad play in a big spot"??

Unless he could catch the ball, the end result is exactly the same as if he backed up and played it on a bounce.

The tying run was going to score on any hit and Betts was going to get at least a double.

Gardner tried to prevent the run by making a diving catch, realized he wasn't going to make the play and couldn't stop the ball.

If Betts gets an inside the park HR - that's a different outcome.

Otherwise, Gardy's risk resulted in no additional impact.


This exactly
RE: And I say that noting that Gardner is an offensive nonfactor...  
yatqb : 5/9/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 13958942 Dunedin81 said:
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who should be dropped in the lineup and should sit at least 1-2x more a week than he has so far.


That will be easier if/when Frazier gets back on the club. Right now Stanton seems a defensive liability out there.
RE: RE: And I say that noting that Gardner is an offensive nonfactor...  
Dunedin81 : 5/9/2018 9:58 am : link
In comment 13958978 yatqb said:
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In comment 13958942 Dunedin81 said:


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who should be dropped in the lineup and should sit at least 1-2x more a week than he has so far.



That will be easier if/when Frazier gets back on the club. Right now Stanton seems a defensive liability out there.


I'm not entirely sure Frazier comes back, unless he forces the issue or someone else gets injured. They are comfortable with the quartet they have, in which Gardy is the weak link offensively.
Hicks, of course, has been highly disappointing as well.  
manh george : 5/9/2018 9:59 am : link
There has to be a way to pull Frazier into the mix. His Ks have been really worrisome, though. 13 in the last 39 abs.

Despite all of the power, the Yankees run production has fallen considerably. I expect Drury for Andujar pretty soon, too. Andujar needs work on his pitch selection--it's gotten a lot worse recently, so he ks more or hits bad pitches. He just needs more seasoning, I think.
boy from some of these posts you would think Gardner is the only one  
Victor in CT : 5/9/2018 10:14 am : link
in a slump. Judges avg has dropped 40 points in the last 2 weeks, Didi 30 points, Sanchez from .212 to .193 since Friday. Andujar also slumping. Stanton has been up and down.

But they are still winning thanks to the pitching.
Scary thing about Gardy  
bceagle05 : 5/9/2018 10:15 am : link
is he usually hits the skids in the SECOND half. I think the Yankees wanted to preserve him a bit more this year with days off, but Ellsbury and Frazier injuries (not to mention Hicks and McKinney) have spoiled those plans.

I still think we're a long way off from a shakeup - right now much of the lineup is slumping.
Roy White played an excellent LF for the Yanks  
xman : 5/9/2018 10:50 am : link
could climb the wall like no other. Gardner gets a little intimidated with/by the wall. As for Gardner's faux pas last night it didn't cost the Yanks. Betts got an extra base at third but Sanchez managed to avoid his habitual PB routine so we dodged a bullet.

I am not a Gardner fan. There were two years back in '10 and '11 where he stole 45+ bases. Then he stopped being that type threatening base runner. He is a 265 ish hitter with too many K's for my liking considering he is a singles hitter. Its a position that needs an upgrade.

People waiting for him to awaken are dreaming and devoutly loyal to the player. He is a holdover from the days of mediocre



He did hit 20 HRs last year...  
Dunedin81 : 5/9/2018 11:12 am : link
Gardy of five years ago would have been a great role player on any team. Gardy of two years ago would have been a serviceable role player on any team, especially one that got plenty of offense - specifically pop - from elsewhere. The Gardy of this year, unfortunately, is an offensive non-factor, and while the lineup is good enough to cover that up there are enough people not hitting that it's at least worth considering sacrificing defense to get another bat in the lineup.
I wouldn't expect Drury any time soon  
wigs in nyc : 5/9/2018 11:23 am : link
despite Cash's words.

He mentions, himself, that the headaches/vision issues are ongoing, and he doesn't at all seem to be in a rush back to the big leagues. He seems to just want to get his health issues straightened out and go from there - which may be tricky as they certainly appear to be chronic.
From yesterday - Why Yankees' Brandon Drury isn't worried Miguel Andujar is stealing his job - ( New Window )
Two matinees today...  
Dunedin81 : 5/9/2018 11:25 am : link
Johnny Lasagna for Trenton, K'ed the first 6 outs of the game (7/9). Also Mike King for Tampa, perfect through 4.
I always thought Gardy was best served as a 4th OF who plays  
Victor in CT : 5/9/2018 11:27 am : link
3-4 times a week. As others have pointed out, he traditionally falls off as the season progresses. His production is always frontloaded to the 1s half.

Not a big deal at this point. He's gone after this year.
In semi-Yankee related news, the A's called up Dustin Fowler  
Greg from LI : 5/9/2018 12:28 pm : link
He was hitting .310/.333/.484 in AAA. Nice to see him coming back strong from that horrible accident.
Interesting  
mitch300 : 5/9/2018 12:55 pm : link
that the A's come to the stadium this weekend.
I think Gardner is being sold short  
Kyle in NY : 5/9/2018 1:38 pm : link
because of his slow start. He's consistently been a 3-4 win player since he became a regular. That is not a 4th OF. He was excellent last season, 4.9 WAR, 21 HR, 778 OPS, GG defense, and an important veteran leader for a young team.

Maybe he's done, but that would surprise me. I wouldn't write him off just yet. Regardless, he's had a very good career here.
From the High A game  
Dunedin81 : 5/9/2018 2:57 pm : link
Michael King yanked at 100 pitches (70 strikes) with two outs in the 9th, 3 H 0 R 0 ER 0 BB 8 Ks, 14:3 GB:FB and a season 1.53 ERA. Trevor Lane stranded the only baserunner. King with an unfortunate ND after an absolute gem.
Price has carpal tunnel??  
dune69 : 5/9/2018 3:56 pm : link
reports in Boston is because of too many hours playing video games. They think he will be back pitching soon.

Perhaps afraid of Yanks?
Link - ( New Window )
Michael Kay thinks Gardy will be hitting .280 by season's end.  
bceagle05 : 5/9/2018 4:03 pm : link
That's a little generous, even in his prime.
RE: RE: I think that Gardner is the best LF I've ever seen at the Stadium.  
Jay in Toronto : 5/9/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 13958891 mfsd said:
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In comment 13958879 yatqb said:


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I'm trying to think of others who were really good out there. Tom Tresh was excellent. Ricky Henderson was adequate. Am I blanking on anyone?

But he's pulling his head off the ball when he swings this year. Perhaps the power surge of last year has gotten him overswinging. Right now he's ugly at the plate.




Tresh was before my time, I know Rickey was considered a top defensive outfielder but my enduring memory of him in the field are his silly snatch catches.


Hector Lopez.

He didn't take his # for 'nuttin!
This Gardner conversation did not age well...  
Dunedin81 : 5/10/2018 8:18 am : link
hopefully it's the start of a hot streak for Gardy.
I take full credit for Gardner's breakout game.  
Heisenberg : 5/10/2018 8:39 am : link
Who should I talk shit about next?
Tanaka...  
Dunedin81 : 5/10/2018 8:48 am : link
that was a sub-optimal outing last night, it'd be nice if you could get him fired up.
RE: Tanaka...  
Heisenberg : 5/10/2018 9:01 am : link
In comment 13960054 Dunedin81 said:
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that was a sub-optimal outing last night, it'd be nice if you could get him fired up.


Alright, I'll get on it.
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