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NFT: Mets trade Harvey to the Reds

LarmerTJR : 5/8/2018 6:22 pm
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Robles  
Rflairr : 5/8/2018 9:30 pm : link
lol
RE: Not related to this game  
arcarsenal : 5/8/2018 9:30 pm : link
In comment 13958615 Mike in NY said:
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Paxton throwing 100 one pitch before throwing no hitter


He just struck out 16 batters in his last outing too, didn't he?

Heck of a little roll he's on.
Robles has to be cut  
ZGiants98 : 5/8/2018 9:31 pm : link
WTF. Guy is awful. Who didnt see that coming? Well a 4-2 game just completely got blown out of control Win tomorrow.
Yeah I unfortunately agree  
moespree : 5/8/2018 9:31 pm : link
This team sucks. It's not going to get better either just because they'll have an inevitable hot streak. The end result will be another mediocre season under the amazing Sandy Alderson.
Hey Shecky, howís that shuttle doing with all those fresh, good  
PhiPsi125 : 5/8/2018 9:34 pm : link
bullpen arms? We trade for 1,000 relievers last year and yet we keep trotting out the same garbage.

The Mets have the fourth worst bullpen in the NL. Again, Sandy at his finest.
Geez.... Sewald again?  
ZGiants98 : 5/8/2018 9:37 pm : link
How does this guy even have his arm attached anymore?
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arcarsenal : 5/8/2018 9:41 pm : link
After all that to-do about more forward-thinking bullpen usage and deployment, etc. it turns out nothing has really changed.

Bums like Robles still getting their number called often, wearing out good relievers in games that are out of reach...

I never thought the Mets would be good this year, but I'm actually amazed by how quickly they were able to erase an 11-1 start.

They're going to be under .500 by Memorial Day easily.
They said Vargas  
Metnut : 5/8/2018 10:38 pm : link
is taking his next start. Donít worry, Lugo and Gsellmen will be ready to go in the 3rd after Vargas gets tattooed again.
RE: They said Vargas  
arcarsenal : 5/8/2018 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13958740 Metnut said:
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is taking his next start. Donít worry, Lugo and Gsellmen will be ready to go in the 3rd after Vargas gets tattooed again.


Can't wait!
Mets threads are definitely the best part of BBI  
giantsFC : 5/8/2018 10:54 pm : link
You all are great. This alone makes me glad I joined this place. Iíve always felt alone w how quickly I go south w my met negativity. Glad Iím not the only one.
Vargas  
spike : 5/8/2018 10:58 pm : link
need to go to the pen or the DL.

He is TERRIBLE. We shouldve signed Lynn or Cobb instead.
God forbid a legit starter like Arrieta but we can't afford nice things here in Queens.
Season will be over  
spike : 5/8/2018 10:59 pm : link
by Memorial Day
At least  
spike : 5/8/2018 11:00 pm : link
Harvey will get to start in Cincinnati, who is trying to lose 100 games.
Mesoraco with  
spike : 5/8/2018 11:03 pm : link
a 214 average and 283 OBP is already an upgrade at C!
RE: Vargas  
giantsFC : 5/8/2018 11:05 pm : link
In comment 13958771 spike said:
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need to go to the pen or the DL.

He is TERRIBLE. We shouldve signed Lynn or Cobb instead.
God forbid a legit starter like Arrieta but we can't afford nice things here in Queens.


I think all of us can agree the Mets needed a legit top 3 starter in offseason. But the team kept spinning and spinning to media the hype of our has-been (never was) pitching staff that I think we all bought into it more w the Vargas signing then we normally would,
if only they can manage a winning baseball team  
spike : 5/8/2018 11:15 pm : link
as well as manipulating the media to their advantage, they might actually win a WS.
RE: RE: So Harvey was bumped from the rotation for Vargas?  
Vanzetti : 5/9/2018 1:20 am : link
In comment 13958592 Rory said:
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Matt was terrible in his starts this year but Vargas is worse. Why not give him a few more minor league starts to make sure he was ready?



is this a serious question?



Yes, I know we are all supposed to hate Harvey. Mets completely mishandled the situation imo. Vargas had one minor league start, in which he did poorly, and was just handed Harvey's spot in the rotation. How has that worked out? Harvey was not good. Vargas has been way worse.
Both of them were awful, but Harvey had the added BS of not taking  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/9/2018 1:52 am : link
the ML assignment. You can't get shelled in every appearance and expect to keep getting starts. It's a totally selfish position to take and thinks nothing of the rest of the team. It wasn't just the runs being given up. THe at-bats were about as painful as passing kidney stones. He was being outpitched by the bullpen arms coming in to clean up his messes.
RE: Both of them were awful, but Harvey had the added BS of not taking  
Vanzetti : 5/9/2018 3:47 am : link
In comment 13958825 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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the ML assignment. You can't get shelled in every appearance and expect to keep getting starts. It's a totally selfish position to take and thinks nothing of the rest of the team. It wasn't just the runs being given up. THe at-bats were about as painful as passing kidney stones. He was being outpitched by the bullpen arms coming in to clean up his messes.


I donít think too many guys who have done what Harvey did in the game would be happy about going to the minors. And leaving him in to get shelled and then using that as a reason to send him downó not the way to handle it. Plus they knew he was not going to accept the minor league assignment. This was a way to make him look bad to justify getting rid of him.


And Iíll make a prediction: Harvey will still be pitching in mlb long after Sandy is gone
RE: RE: Both of them were awful, but Harvey had the added BS of not taking  
PhiPsi125 : 5/9/2018 7:38 am : link
In comment 13958830 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 13958825 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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the ML assignment. You can't get shelled in every appearance and expect to keep getting starts. It's a totally selfish position to take and thinks nothing of the rest of the team. It wasn't just the runs being given up. THe at-bats were about as painful as passing kidney stones. He was being outpitched by the bullpen arms coming in to clean up his messes.



I donít think too many guys who have done what Harvey did in the game would be happy about going to the minors. And leaving him in to get shelled and then using that as a reason to send him downó not the way to handle it. Plus they knew he was not going to accept the minor league assignment. This was a way to make him look bad to justify getting rid of him.


And Iíll make a prediction: Harvey will still be pitching in mlb long after Sandy is gone


I donít know whether to laugh or shake my head at this post.

Nobody likes going to the minors. Tough shit. Itís part of the game. Donít suck then. I really donít care what Harvey has done. That was a long time ago.

The Mets didnít leave Harvey in to get shelled and then use that as a reason to send him down. Jesus Christ, thatís a ridiculous notion. Harvey was a bad pitcher alll on his own. As a starter and in the pen.

Yes, they probably knew he wouldnít accept a minor league assignment, but Iím sure they were hoping he would. But in true Harvey fashion, he told his employer to fuck off. I wonder what would happen if you told your employer to fuck off after refusing an assignment?

Harvey has been making himself look bad for years all on his own. This kid has a sense of entitlement like Iíve never seen. Personally, I hope he continues to have the most embarrassing career in baseball.
Remember when we were 11-1?  
NewFakeDannyHeep : 5/9/2018 8:13 am : link
Good times. Good times.
RE: Robles has to be cut  
gmenatlarge : 5/9/2018 8:14 am : link
In comment 13958622 ZGiants98 said:
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WTF. Guy is awful. Who didnt see that coming? Well a 4-2 game just completely got blown out of control Win tomorrow.


True but who do you bring in? The farm system is bereft of talent...pathetic!
I'm surprised that anyone traded for him. If they waited til relased  
Victor in CT : 5/9/2018 8:31 am : link
they could have signed him for the league minimum
RE: RE: Robles has to be cut  
Rflairr : 5/9/2018 8:50 am : link
In comment 13958873 gmenatlarge said:
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WTF. Guy is awful. Who didnt see that coming? Well a 4-2 game just completely got blown out of control Win tomorrow.



True but who do you bring in? The farm system is bereft of talent...pathetic!


No worries. Alderson is around to fuck up another draft
Rosenthal  
Rflairr : 5/9/2018 9:10 am : link
If #Reds fix Harvey, they perhaps can flip him at deadline. If not, they can DFA him. Mesoracoís defensive skills are diminished; one scout says, ďGood luck with him trying to catch Syndergaard, Matz and Wheeler.Ē Still, worth a shot for both clubs. Both players were sunk costs.
RE: RE: Robles has to be cut  
ZGiants98 : 5/9/2018 9:12 am : link
In comment 13958873 gmenatlarge said:
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In comment 13958622 ZGiants98 said:


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WTF. Guy is awful. Who didnt see that coming? Well a 4-2 game just completely got blown out of control Win tomorrow.



True but who do you bring in? The farm system is bereft of talent...pathetic!


There are plenty of arms to call up. Drew Smith for one. Add him to the 40.
Every team has  
Metnut : 5/9/2018 9:21 am : link
arms to call up. The question is whether they are any good. Drew Smith has an ERA over 5.5 and is walking close to 5 guys per 9 innings in AAA.

RE: RE: Both of them were awful, but Harvey had the added BS of not taking  
Section331 : 5/9/2018 9:33 am : link
In comment 13958830 Vanzetti said:
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I donít think too many guys who have done what Harvey did in the game would be happy about going to the minors. And leaving him in to get shelled and then using that as a reason to send him downó not the way to handle it. Plus they knew he was not going to accept the minor league assignment. This was a way to make him look bad to justify getting rid of him.


And Iíll make a prediction: Harvey will still be pitching in mlb long after Sandy is gone


Leaving him in to get shelled? He pitched a shutout inning in a game that was already out of hand, how was he getting shelled? Callaway is supposed to burn his bullpen because Harvey can't get an out in a 2nd inning? I get it, you loved Harvey, but he burned his bridges. It's not the Mets' fault, it is his.
If the Reds  
Metnut : 5/9/2018 9:45 am : link
can somehow turn Harvey around in a month or two and get a real asset from a contender for him at the deadline, it'll be a black eye on Alderson and our coaching staff (who I still really like despite the recent shittiness on the field). I'm not sure how anyone can dispute that.

The team is putting garbage like Vargas on the mound every fifth day. If they gave away someone who could help for close to nothing, it would be an error.

All that being said, I wouldn't hold my breath. Harvey's stuff looked like complete shit the past 5 times I saw him this year.
So the Mets got us to the NFL draft this year!  
Chris684 : 5/9/2018 9:47 am : link
Hooray!

It's always fun to point out where their seasons ultimately die a death. This year it was the last weekend in April. Great.
RE: So the Mets got us to the NFL draft this year!  
Metnut : 5/9/2018 9:54 am : link
In comment 13958968 Chris684 said:
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Hooray!

It's always fun to point out where their seasons ultimately die a death. This year it was the last weekend in April. Great.


Things aren't trending well but the team is 18-16 with Thor and DeGrom, as well as Cespedes and Conforto, not out for the season yet. I'm not waiving the white flag. It's a long season.

Things aren't great but are you really saying the season is dead and you're done watching games already? Cmon, don't give up yet!. Keep some half hearted hope like the rest of us and just vent your frustration on these threads. They've been hilarious this year and a source of smiles for at least this Metnut.
I know. I'm being a little bit sarcastic  
Chris684 : 5/9/2018 10:05 am : link
but things are just so predictable with this team.

If I never see Hansel Robles again it will be too soon, but we were all saying that last year!
RE: RE: So the Mets got us to the NFL draft this year!  
Drewcon40 : 5/9/2018 10:07 am : link
In comment 13958977 Metnut said:
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Things aren't trending well but the team is 18-16 with Thor and DeGrom, as well as Cespedes and Conforto, not out for the season yet. I'm not waiving the white flag. It's a long season.

Things aren't great but are you really saying the season is dead and you're done watching games already? Cmon, don't give up yet!. Keep some half hearted hope like the rest of us and just vent your frustration on these threads. They've been hilarious this year and a source of smiles for at least this Metnut.


I agree Metnut. If someone showed me a snapshot of today's standings in mid-march, I don't think I would be surprised other than the Nationals. Obviously the 11-1 start makes the current record a disappointment. The season is long and things still need to play out. What I am struggling with is if we are close to the division lead or WC spot come All-Star Break, what do we do. Do we chase fools gold. I recall in 04 the Kazmir - V. Zambrano trade when we clearly weren't a team that was good enough. Regardless of the record, should the Mets should consider making moves for the future or do they try to make a run for 2018?
Sandy  
TyreeHelmet : 5/9/2018 10:12 am : link
What are Sandyís positive moves outside of Syndagaard? Cespedes was a good trade but they did give up a very good SP to get him.

Iím just trying to figure out what the guy is good at? This team is in for a long year.
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arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 10:13 am : link
I just don't understand why things get so rotten so quickly with this team.

At 11-1, all they had to do was hover around .500 and they'd be in the postseason mix for most of the year.

But we couldn't just hit a slump, everything had to just come apart at the seams at once and everything had to go completely down the tubes.

I know we're technically still above .500 which is hard to believe given what we've watched these last 2 weeks or so - but this just has that all-too-familiar Mets freefall stench that we've felt countless times before.

I don't see how this is going to get better.

deGrom is going to start Sunday but who knows if he even makes it through that start let alone the rest of the season.

Wheeler has gotten progressively worse since the encouraging first start. Matz has been up and down. Harvey is gone. Vargas is HORRENDOUS. Thor isn't dominating like we expect him to.

Beyond that the lineup fucking sucks.

Frazier and Cespedes are banged up now. We have black holes @ C that are auto outs, Reyes is finished, Conforto has predictably struggled...

The pen hasn't even been great. Sewald has been awesome... Swarzak predictably still isn't even healthy, Blevins has been awful, Ramos is "eh"....

How is this turning around or getting better?

It's another crappy baseball team designed to succeed only if every single thing breaks our way. That won't happen because it never happens.
At least  
spike : 5/9/2018 11:32 am : link
The fabled Fab Five got a turn together finally
The roster has fragile tipping points & all went the wrong way  
Eric on Li : 5/9/2018 12:36 pm : link
at the same time. In order of importance, the downturn started when these 3 things tipped:

1. The bottom of the lineup became an anchor - we know this is not an enormously talented offensive team, so they needed to win with a balanced offense. Rosario and the catchers fell off a cliff so the bottom 1/3 of the lineup is putrid. Some others have underperformed (Conforto/Bruce) and overperformed (Nimmo/Cabrera) which is more of a normal variation, the constant anchor has been 7-9. Rosario has always been the biggest wild card for this year's team and that remains the case, and obviously, the catcher injuries have exacerbated his underperformance. Defense has also let them down to make things harder, as it always has in the Sandy era.

2. The starting rotation was uncertain behind top 2. That's obviously still the case and Vargas needs to stop throwing batting practice.

3. The BP entered the season 1 injury away from being thin and Swarzak got injured.

Still a lot of season left but if anything is going to come of this year Sandy and Callaway have their work cut out for them. They need to find a more consistent offensive mix but I don't think that's impossible because they have some pieces to work with.

With the pitchers Callaway needs to get results out of at least 1 of Wheeler/Matz. We see the talent flashes and he is the pitching guru. Failure to develop a #3 will be a Rick Peterson level disappointment. In the BP they will probably just need to add an arm eventually (if they're in it).
Mets just batted out of order negating a Double by Cabrera  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/9/2018 12:44 pm : link
Little League stuff. So much for Callaway's magic...
RE: The roster has fragile tipping points & all went the wrong way  
Metnut : 5/9/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13959206 Eric on Li said:
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at the same time. In order of importance, the downturn started when these 3 things tipped:

1. The bottom of the lineup became an anchor - we know this is not an enormously talented offensive team, so they needed to win with a balanced offense. Rosario and the catchers fell off a cliff so the bottom 1/3 of the lineup is putrid. Some others have underperformed (Conforto/Bruce) and overperformed (Nimmo/Cabrera) which is more of a normal variation, the constant anchor has been 7-9. Rosario has always been the biggest wild card for this year's team and that remains the case, and obviously, the catcher injuries have exacerbated his underperformance. Defense has also let them down to make things harder, as it always has in the Sandy era.

2. The starting rotation was uncertain behind top 2. That's obviously still the case and Vargas needs to stop throwing batting practice.

3. The BP entered the season 1 injury away from being thin and Swarzak got injured.

Still a lot of season left but if anything is going to come of this year Sandy and Callaway have their work cut out for them. They need to find a more consistent offensive mix but I don't think that's impossible because they have some pieces to work with.

With the pitchers Callaway needs to get results out of at least 1 of Wheeler/Matz. We see the talent flashes and he is the pitching guru. Failure to develop a #3 will be a Rick Peterson level disappointment. In the BP they will probably just need to add an arm eventually (if they're in it).


+1

Nice balanced post.
RE: Mets just batted out of order negating a Double by Cabrera  
arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13959215 Rob in Rockaway said:
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Little League stuff. So much for Callaway's magic...


Embarrassing.
You cannot be serious  
moespree : 5/9/2018 12:50 pm : link
It seems as if he wrote the wrong lineup down on the card he gave the umpire. That might be the most Mets thing to happen I can possibly think of.
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arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 1:01 pm : link
Wow. It happened twice.

Unbelievable.
RE: .  
PhiPsi125 : 5/9/2018 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13959235 arcarsenal said:
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Wow. It happened twice.

Unbelievable.


They batted out of order twice? Tell me you are not serious.
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arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 1:08 pm : link
That's what I was told - hopefully not. Once is embarrassing enough.
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giantsFC : 5/9/2018 4:50 pm : link
Callaway showing his non-pitching skill level
Hate  
DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 5:13 pm : link
to pile on but where are these pitchers Callaway has helped on the Mets?
Rosario has been a disappointment so far  
spike : 5/9/2018 5:47 pm : link
Of course he gets more time as there is no other decent option
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Jim in Fairfax : 5/9/2018 7:08 pm : link
In comment 13959246 arcarsenal said:
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That's what I was told - hopefully not. Once is embarrassing enough.

You were told wrong.
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arcarsenal : 5/9/2018 7:10 pm : link
Yeah, I figured that out about 4 hours ago - but thanks! :)
Fire sale  
spike : 5/9/2018 7:11 pm : link
By July 1

Break it up and play the kids!
Wilmer TJ Smith Dom Conforto and Nimmo.

Sorry Bruce we have to trade you off again.

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